Seriously , what is the point of this man ? waste of a fucking good chair

Why is it that in the mind of the football fan if a Chairman/Club owner isnt seen to be splashing the cash then he's doing a bad job? Big money signings are exciting, but I want our club to exist in some shape or form in twenty years time.

Why is it that in the mind of the football fan if a Chairman/Club owner isnt seen to be splashing the cash then he's doing a bad job? Big money signings are exciting, but I want our club to exist in some shape or form in twenty years time.

 

Did all this bitching about chairmens not spending cash exist in the 70s and 80s

Or did it suddenly coincide with Jack Walker buying the premiership.

 

 

Why is it that in the mind of the football fan if a Chairman/Club owner isnt seen to be splashing the cash then he's doing a bad job? Big money signings are exciting, but I want our club to exist in some shape or form in twenty years time.

 

Probably for the same reason that the mindset of some football fans mean they can't see there's a middle ground between buying big names and bankrupting your club.

 

We don't need to beat everyone in our league to clear our debt a little each year and for the fans to enjoy a day or two in the sun every season to reward their loyalty.  Instead he rewards them with a new manager with pocket change to rebuild a squad bit by bit before the knee-jerky-wolves get bored and come hounding at the door for the next change.

 

The fact of the matter is; we don't need to win the league, we don't even need to split the O.F., we just need to beat shite like United, Motherwell, Caley, Dunfermline, QotS, Killie, etc. 

 

Sadly Milne thinks progress is to bargain buy each season and hope for the odd gem to be found amongst the shite.  Aren't we a lucky bunch?

 

Any 'fan' would have given their last pound to see us back in Europe again having previously sat in the Calderón or Allianz Arena but he obviously isn't up for that.

 

Fuck Milne.

Probably for the same reason that the mindset of some football fans mean they can't see there's a middle ground between buying big names and bankrupting your club.

 

We don't need to beat everyone in our league to clear our debt a little each year and for the fans to enjoy a day or two in the sun every season to reward their loyalty.  Instead he rewards them with a new manager with pocket change to rebuild a squad before the knee-jerky-wolves come hounding at the door.

 

The fact of the matter is; we don't need to split the O.F.We just need to beat shite like United, Motherwell, Caley, Dunfermline, QotS, Killie,

 

Sadly Milne doesn't realise thinks progress is to bargain buy

 

100% spot on.

 

I EXPECT the chairman to AT LEAST replace what we lose with suitable players, not shoddy bargains.

Probably for the same reason that the mindset of some football fans mean they can't see there's a middle ground between buying big names and bankrupting your club.

 

We don't need to beat everyone in our league to clear our debt a little each year and for the fans to enjoy a day or two in the sun every season to reward their loyalty.  Instead he rewards them with a new manager with pocket change to rebuild a squad bit by bit before the knee-jerky-wolves get bored and come hounding at the door for the next change.

 

The fact of the matter is; we don't need to win the league, we don't even need to split the O.F., we just need to beat shite like United, Motherwell, Caley, Dunfermline, QotS, Killie, etc. 

 

Sadly Milne thinks progress is to bargain buy each season and hope for the odd gem to be found amongst the shite.  Aren't we a lucky bunch?

 

Any 'fan' would have given their last pound to see us back in Europe again having previously sat in the Calderón or Allianz Arena but he obviously isn't up for that.

 

Fuck Milne.

 

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That to me sums up the argument.  Its NOT about splurging millions and millions, but buying shrewdly and intelligently.  For example, the two year contracts thing, which in another topic some have mentioned has been screwing us for years.  Howis a mangager meant to BUILD a team with contracts like that?  Not giving the room to barter with contracts when contracts DO expire, again allowing us to keep the players we NEED. (How many of us would have Hart bck in the squad at this moment in time, for example)?  But, out of the blue, when a new manager comes along, lo and behold, a pot of cash appears.  The question has to be asked, why is this pot of cash not used to hold onto our QUALITY players in the past we have let go, who after all become AFC's assets?

 

Milne may be a genius at making loadsa dosh outta shite contruction methods, but to my mind he's done very, very poorly with AFC.

The fact of the matter is; we don't need to win the league, we don't even need to split the O.F., we just need to beat shite like United, Motherwell, Caley, Dunfermline, QotS, Killie, etc. 

 

While I'm no fan of Milne, we had a squad capable of beating the above, especially QotS and Dunfermline.  Unfair to blame Milne for that.

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That to me sums up the argument.   Its NOT about splurging millions and millions, but buying shrewdly and intelligently.  For example, the two year contracts thing, which in another topic some have mentioned has been screwing us for years.  Howis a mangager meant to BUILD a team with contracts like that?  Not giving the room to barter with contracts when contracts DO expire, again allowing us to keep the players we NEED. (How many of us would have Hart bck in the squad at this moment in time, for example)?  But, out of the blue, when a new manager comes along, lo and behold, a pot of cash appears.  The question has to be asked, why is this pot of cash not used to hold onto our QUALITY players in the past we have let go, who after all become AFC's assets?

 

Milne may be a genius at making loadsa dosh outta shite contruction methods, but to my mind he's done very, very poorly with AFC.

 

You have to remember though that the player may not want a contract longer than 2 years.  We could have kept Hart if Calderwood had really wanted to, but he obviously wasn't that bothered about losing him and chose to use his budget elsewhere.

You have to remember though that the player may not want a contract longer than 2 years.  We could have kept Hart if Calderwood had really wanted to, but he obviously wasn't that bothered about losing him and chose to use his budget elsewhere.

If that is so about Hart then Calderwood is a bigger fanny than i thought he was....

Hart wanted to move elsewhere and play football in a less tedious league, that's not Calderwoods fault.

Hart wanted to move elsewhere and play football in a less tedious league, that's not Calderwoods fault.

 

Hart wanted to stay.

Didn't hart want to stay provided he was brought into line with the top wage earners?

 

Yes, as he was clearly a senior player at that point he should have been.

Didn't hart want to stay provided he was brought into line with the top wage earners?

Hart wanted to stay.

 

I stand corrected. JMG! EPMG!

I stand corrected. JMG! EPMG!

 

Cracker.

I see what you've done there. Biscuit related comments.

 

Comedy GOLD.

Cracker.

 

I see what you've done there. Biscuit related comments.

I see what you've done there. Biscuit related comments.

 

It really did take the biscuit.

Yes, as he was clearly a senior player at that point he should have been.

 

So you thought he merited a wage on par with the likes of miller/diamond etc?

 

I personally wouldn't have paid him that, he's been a big miss since he left but only because we didn't bother replacing him

So you thought he merited a wage on par with the likes of miller/diamond etc?

 

I personally wouldn't have paid him that, he's been a big miss since he left but only because we didn't bother replacing him

 

Diamond? Don't think he'd have been our highest earner at that time and to be honest I think Hart's a better player.

Miller? Yes, absolutley.

Smith? Yes, never fit and while Hart had his injury problems it was nowhere near on the scale as Smith's.

Severin? well, seve was the captain at the time so it's easy to see why he'd be one of, if not the highest paid player. 

 

But I certainly thought Hart was worth spending the money on. In saying that, he's now been injured a lot at Preston (supposedly both Hart and Smith are putting their recurring injuries down to the car accident in Egypt).  Maybe we're better off without in that case, who can say? But we have never replaced him and that's scandalous.

Diamond? Don't think he'd have been our highest earner at that time and to be honest I think Hart's a better player.

Miller? Yes, absolutley.

Smith? Yes, never fit and while Hart had his injury problems it was nowhere near on the scale as Smith's.

Severin? well, seve was the captain at the time so it's easy to see why he'd be one of, if not the highest paid player. 

 

But I certainly thought Hart was worth spending the money on. In saying that, he's now been injured a lot at Preston (supposedly both Hart and Smith are putting their recurring injuries down to the car accident in Egypt).  Maybe we're better off without in that case, who can say? But we have never replaced him and that's scandalous.

 

Agreed but alas it seems to be the Aberdeen boards way, its not like Hart's case is a stand out one. We should have replaced him by now, but hopefully, we've just replaced Anderson, so by that logic, we have to wait till Jan before we get his???

Agreed but alas it seems to be the Aberdeen boards way, its not like Hart's case is a stand out one. We should have replaced him by now, but hopefully, we've just replaced Anderson, so by that logic, we have to wait till Jan before we get his???

 

That's the sort of shite we've had to endure.  Words like "alas", "hopefully", "should have", "we have to wait" and all of which are followed by a pile of question marks.

 

What kind of response do you think dear old Stuartie gets when he goes into his only real interest in life, asking questions about why things are not moving forward?  Do you think he'd settle for "Sorry Mr Milne, we've not replaced the main architect to your empire, nor the site manager for your new project but...... geez til January coz we ken a couple muckers fae Homebase up the road fa used tae sketch up kitchen plans and sort oot the warehoose at the wikends.  They'll dee!".

 

Would he fuck.

 

But that's what we're faced with each season.

 

Mugs.

That's the sort of shite we've had to endure.  Words like "alas", "hopefully", "should have", "we have to wait" and all of which are followed by a pile of question marks.

 

What kind of response do you think dear old Stuartie gets when he goes into his only real interest in life, asking questions about why things are not moving forward?  Do you think he'd settle for "Sorry Mr Milne, we've not replaced the main architect to your empire, nor the site manager for your new project but...... geez til January coz we ken a couple muckers fae Homebase up the road fa used tae sketch up kitchen plans and sort oot the warehoose at the wikends.  They'll dee!".

 

Would he fuck.

 

 

If they're cheaper and get the job done then of course he would.  Milne didn't get where he is today without being a shrewd businessman.

 

If they're cheaper and get the job done then of course he would.  Milne didn't get where he is today without being a shrewd businessman.

 

The point is that they wouldn't get the job done.  You don't replace architects with dudes who sketch up 2D drawings of kitchen appliances, nor should you replace first team regulars with bench warmers.

The point is that they wouldn't get the job done.  You don't replace architects with dudes who sketch up 2D drawings of kitchen appliances, nor should you replace first team regulars with bench warmers.

 

If you are drawing parallels with the business world then you also need to understand the way that employers will view demands for pay increases on the basis of equity with other employers. If you have 2 or 3 staff who are being paid top dollar (relatively) because you were forced to pay that to attract them then you can be damn sure that every other employee who has any sense that they are worth just as much will be looking for parity. Then when you have brought them into line the top guys then think they should be getting more because the staff below them are now in lne with them. As a manager you have to keep a motivated and engaged staff without blowing your staff budgets. Sometimes that means saying no to the escalation of salaries that can come from these situations. Unfortunately for Hart, he was the one who was told no. Whether he was as good as Miller et al or not is not as important as the fact that he was not being attracted to the club and was already accepting a reduced wage. Its always harder to climb the salary ladder than it is to enter it at a higher point.

i used Hart initially as an example.  The main point is, if you look at the squad during our Euro run and what we have been left with in the aftermath of JC leaving and the close season.  Surely it is better to invest internally when things are going well, rahter than having to start from scratch each season, either with shelling out out for a new management team, and/or for a whole new starting line up because the english third division has come sniffing around our only creative midfieder, who has only been given the worth by AFC of a two year contract.

 

WM alluded to this in the euphoria post Copo with to paraphrase " maybe it's time the board were challenged in a different way to what they have been used to." Meaning keep the players that are doing well for us so the manger can BUILD.  Instead we are once again in AFC board of directors comfort zone of hiring and firing managers on a whim when THE BOARD are challenged, making them look supposedly pro-active and offering minimal money short term contracts.

 

Mark my words, (excuse the pun) when MM unearthes a player of the calibre we want to keep, lets just see if the money will be available to keep them.  Two years time we will be in the same position of having to build a team from scratch. 

 

What costs more in the long run, this constant rebuilding or having a squad that will compete, get to the money spinning positions in cups and eventually into Europe, thereby repaying the increase in wages paid to achieve this?