kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 you really think that any championship manager doesn't know anything about scottish football these days? when a good percentage of the top players in that league come from our division on low/no fees? Don't be so blinkered - there isn't a manager around who doesn't have a team in place so he knows what is going on in virtually every division. Surely it is more important for him to know a good standard of player when he sees one and how to get him into his club, and more importantly get the best out of a squad that he has inherited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I honestly think he won't know shit about most of Scottish fitba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 i understand your concerns - but i'm just worried that only going for someone who has already been in scotland is limiting ourselves and so missing out on potentially very good managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee toon red Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 i understand your concerns - but i'm just worried that only going for someone who has already been in scotland is limiting ourselves and so missing out on potentially very good managers I'd agree with that. I'm sure Laszlo's knowledge of the SPL wasn't too great and he hasn't done too badly. I fear that if Willie goes down the road of a "proven" SPL manager then we'll end up with Jefferies or Hughes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 you really think that any championship manager doesn't know anything about scottish football these days? Yes, I really do. when a good percentage of the top players in that league come from our division on low/no fees? Don't be so blinkered - there isn't a manager around who doesn't have a team in place so he knows what is going on in virtually every division. It's not exactly hard for a Championship manager to cherry-pick SPL players? Anyone who gets a decent write-up in the papers, they can pick up for a nominal fee then offer them 4x the wages, how hard can that be? Surely it is more important for him to know a good standard of player when he sees one and how to get him into his club And what about Mulgrew, Miller & McDonald, thats 3 players who left the SPL for the Championship who clearly set the heather alight down south and more importantly get the best out of a squad that he has inherited. And I don't rate any of these guys being good enough to do this. Numerious players have came to Aberdeen from down south and been surprised by how big and professional the club is, the worst thing we could have right now is a manager who takes a season or 2 to get to grips with the Scottish game, then have a decent season to raise his stock enough to fuck off back to the rich rolling hills of the English lower leagues. Given the choices, i'd rather have somebody who has some history with the Dons, which realistically leaves in the frame: - McGhee - Black - Richardson? - Windass? - Strachan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 He didn't do badly but had a wage budget well above that of the next placed team. Also, our team is 99% Scottish, with our only foreigner being an English/Nigerian kid. We tried doing the foreign manager thing, and look how that went? Bottom of the league, conceding 4 goals at Hampden... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggy89 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 O'Driscoll is probably not a bad shout. Only lost out on automatic promotion last year due to a last minute winner at Cheltenham and went up to the Championship via the play-offs. Have stayed there this season, spending fuck all. The more I think about it the more I'm liking the idea of McInnes, though. Oh, and Dave, Lee Miller failed to set the heather alight in League one, or Division Two as it was then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I don't like the idea of going for an ex-don legend - hasn't exactly gone to plan in the best with Miller and Duncan Shearer. Plus it is never nice to see a relationship like that sour. Surely it is better to get a fresh approach to create his own piece of history and ditch the ties with the past and all the comparisons that go with it. Maybe O'Driscoll isn't the best shout, but what about Alan Irvine? You mentioned 3 guys who didnt exactly set the heather alight. I know this, but at the same token look at the players we have brought from the lower english leagues. more than half have been shocking, doesnt mean there is no talent there. I will re-iterate the fact he needs to have a good eye for a player. None of the managers i have mentioned have signed Derek Young before!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Given the choices, i'd rather have somebody who has some history with the Dons, which realistically leaves in the frame: - McGhee - Black - Richardson? - Windass? - Strachan? Sorry Dave, I really don't see how either Windass or Rico would be realistic candidates. In fact, if Windass was appointed it would be an utter joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Sorry Dave, I really don't see how either Windass or Rico would be realistic candidates. In fact, if Windass was appointed it would be an utter joke. Completely agree BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 well said bb. How could he make a stance on indiscipline within the club for example? I do think he would be good as a coach for the strikers - teach Mackie not to be scared about having a dig, but as a manager for his first club - No chance! Why does it need to be someone with connections with Aberdeen - Fergie didn't and he was ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Sorry Dave, I really don't see how either Windass or Rico would be realistic candidates. In fact, if Windass was appointed it would be an utter joke. Don't be sorry, I agree with you. I was just saying (badly) that none of these random English managers will understand AFC straight away, so took out all the names of people with a history at the club, and Windass & 'Rico' (who I have no memory of) came under that umbrella. I'd be ok with Deano being part of the management team, but cetainly not as the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 well said bb. How could he make a stance on indiscipline within the club for example? I do think he would be good as a coach for the strikers - teach Mackie not to be scared about having a dig, but as a manager for his first club - No chance! Why does it need to be someone with connections with Aberdeen - Fergie didn't and he was ok Useful, comparing our new manager to Sir Alex, no pressure there then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie_millers-barmyarmy Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Eion Jess has far more of an aberdeen history than deane windass!?.. how about a jess booth dream team?! god, that would make me feel old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 That was partly my point Dave. We are not wanting to keep going on about our history but you seem adamant that the new manager needs to know everything about it. Surely it would be better for the guy just to come in, look at what we have NOW, and improve that! no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Don't be sorry, I agree with you. I was just saying (badly) that none of these random English managers will understand AFC straight away, so took out all the names of people with a history at the club, and Windass & 'Rico' (who I have no memory of) came under that umbrella. I'd be ok with Deano being part of the management team, but cetainly not as the manager. I can understand that wanting to have a connection to the club, cos that's what I usually think of first, but these days I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. It's very much changed days from when Black and McGhee were here, it's almost polar opposites in fact. Even in Rico's days we finished second in all competitions to the huns in his first season. So I'm not sure if the connection is so relevant, it was also pretty painful seeing Willie Miller get sacked and also, to a lesser extent, Duncan Shearer. But the flipside of that is that patience isn't afforded to those without Dons connections as much. well said bb. How could he make a stance on indiscipline within the club for example? I do think he would be good as a coach for the strikers - teach Mackie not to be scared about having a dig, but as a manager for his first club - No chance! Why does it need to be someone with connections with Aberdeen - Fergie didn't and he was ok I spoke to Duncan Shearer after he'd worked with our strikers about him coaching them. The things he said about them made me ashamed they were taking a wage out of my club. One of those strikers is still at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 That was partly my point Dave. We are not wanting to keep going on about our history but you seem adamant that the new manager needs to know everything about it. Surely it would be better for the guy just to come in, look at what we have NOW, and improve that! no? It doesn't matter who we get, fans/media are going to compare him to what was in the past, which is gonna place alot of pressure on whoever gets the job. Personallt I think having somebody who's had to deal with it as a player is a good thing, as second time round he should be able to take it in his stride. When we appointed someone from outwith (Skovdahl) he came out with the suggestion that we should basically give up when we play the OF? Do you really want to go down that route again. Also, whoever comes in is on a pretty shortened timescale, if Marco Van Basten comes and accepts the job tomorrow, the longest he'll possibly have before out first European game is 2 months, hardly enough time to get to grips with the team, source some replacements and get a team out and winning. Whereas somebody who has some sort of connection to the club/Scottish football will have the advantage of having a decent understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of Darren Mackie and co, something I very much doubt Van Basten does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie_millers-barmyarmy Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hans Gillhaus then!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 [quote author=dave_min link=topic=8718.msg142937#msg142937 date=1243366221 Whereas somebody who has some sort of connection to the club/Scottish football will have the advantage of having a decent understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of Darren Mackie and co, something I very much doubt Van Basten does? I'm pretty sure Van Basten would be able to come up with an opinion on Mackie in less than 2 months mate!! I do get your point, but what you are suggesting is a quick fix thing to get through one game - i would much rather the right person coming in who is successful over a long period, and I don't like the fact people want to ignore perfectly valid candidates just cos they haven't played for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I'm pretty sure Van Basten would be able to come up with an opinion on Mackie in less than 2 months mate!! I do get your point, but what you are suggesting is a quick fix thing to get through one game - i would much rather the right person coming in who is successful over a long period, and I don't like the fact people want to ignore perfectly valid candidates just cos they haven't played for us. We had a manager who was reasonably successful over a long period, but now we seem to want some sort of flash in the pan now. A lot of the people who have been mentioned like Martinez and Di Matteo just won't get Scottish football, if the candidate has no experience at all of Scottish Football, i'm afraid it's a no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 But when has their last experience in Scottish football to have been? It is changed days since 80's early 90's, yet i'm sure you would snap David Moyes hand off if he decided to throw his hat in the ring. I for one would be delighted if Roy Hodgson wanted a wee bash at Europa League football wi a non London based team!! I'd rather have someone who has had 3 continuous years of success rather than one who does well for 2 seasons then fucks up or jumps ship (Mcghee) or someone who hasnt been tested as a manager in his own right for any lengthy period of time (Black). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 But when has their last experience in Scottish football to have been? It is changed days since 80's early 90's, yet i'm sure you would snap David Moyes hand off if he decided to throw his hat in the ring. I for one would be delighted if Roy Hodgson wanted a wee bash at Europa League football wi a non London based team!! I'd rather have someone who has had 3 continuous years of success rather than one who does well for 2 seasons then fucks up or jumps ship (Mcghee) or someone who hasnt been tested as a manager in his own right for any lengthy period of time (Black). You do realise that Roy Hodgson has qualified for the Europa League? Who then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneehigh Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 yes I do know Hodgson has qualified - hence the "not with a London based team". who then? I'm really struggling too, I just don't think Mcghee is the answer. However, if he does come on board then rest assured i will be 100% behind him. I do think they should at least try and sound out Preston and Doncaster, cos it's worth interviewing these guys if they get the chance to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtS Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I'm longing for a new manager to be revealed asap. Not for the benefit of the club, just because I can't stand reading any more of this shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 yes I do know Hodgson has qualified - hence the "not with a London based team". who then? I'm really struggling too, I just don't think Mcghee is the answer. However, if he does come on board then rest assured i will be 100% behind him. I do think they should at least try and sound out Preston and Doncaster, cos it's worth interviewing these guys if they get the chance to do so. Looking over his history it's the first time he's ever qualified with a London based team, so i've no idea where you're going with that? I also agree that McGhee is not the answer, however I still don't think JC should have been sacked, but you can also rest assured that I will also be 100% behind the new manager whoever it may be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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