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ON THE SPOT: Michael Grant

 

THIS WAS exactly the sentence Jimmy Calderwood came out with in one of his newspaper columns last week: "Now it is time to stand aside and let somebody else take centre stage." Was this the bombshell revelation? Had he finally succumbed to the will of a huge section of the Aberdeen support? No, not so fast. He was giving his advice to the losing Ryder Cup captain, Nick Faldo. It wasn't a column about Calderwood himself standing aside to give someone else the reins at Pittodrie, although if he ever writes that it will be the most popular one he has ever done.

 

Calderwood telling anyone else to clear off and let another man take over met with incredulity and hoots of derision from supporters, but then again he can barely open his mouth these days without his observations being treated with scorn and hostility. And it is fan power which dictates that the clock is ticking.

 

Director of football Willie Miller appealed to supporters to give him time in the aftermath of the inept Co-Operative Insurance Cup defeat at Kilmarnock in midweek, but that was a plea which will fall on deaf ears. Calderwood has lost the fans. Sooner rather than later that will cost him his job at a club which cannot afford to ignore them.

 

Whether he limps on for three games or three months, he is a dead man walking at Aberdeen. Privately he knows it and so do senior figures at Pittodrie. Enough of the support has made up its mind about him and the coming weeks will see dwindling attendances and a widespread desire for change. Home games will feel as though they are taking place in a half-empty morgue. Another couple of defeats and demonstrations are likely. The point will be reached at which chairman Stewart Milne and his board of directors will be forced to act out of financial necessity.

 

Some have said that Calderwood will be spared because Aberdeen cannot afford to sack him (along with coaches Jimmy Nicholl and Sandy Clark he signed a new, three-year contract in January). The more significant fact is that no club can afford to prop up a struggling, unpopular managerial regime. Aberdeen were bundled out of the Co-Op Cup before they could make money from a single home tie. Crowds are down to the extent that barely 11,000 turned up for last weekend's home match against Dundee United and if live coverage on Setanta was a contributory factor then so, too, were the previous home losses to Caledonian Thistle and Hamilton and the general mediocrity of Aberdeen's play this season. Calderwood has been living on borrowed time since the day his team conceded four semi-final goals to a First Division team, Queen of the South, and pitifully skittered away a golden chance to reach their first Scottish Cup final in eight years.

 

Calderwood has been a good manager for Aberdeen, the first appointment they got right since Miller himself in 1992. Having survived for more than for four years he is the longest-serving of Sir Alex Ferguson's eight successors. In the SPL only Jim Jefferies and John Hughes have held on for longer. He has established them as a top six club again - although it was an affront that they were below that when he joined - and taken them on a memorable run to the last 32 of the Uefa Cup last season. There have been exciting one-off results against the Old Firm. He has made Aberdeen respectable and will be able to look back on his time with satisfaction.

 

But managers have a natural shelf life and results are showing he has run his course and taken Aberdeen as far as he can. When he criticises his team it is for the same failings time after time: sloppy defending, individual mistakes, a lack of character or communication among the players.

 

The message doesn't get through where it matters: on the training ground and in the dressing room. What are the chances of that changing in the weeks and months ahead?

 

Those who defend him claim the club will sink again if he leaves. They ask if Aberdeen want to return to the days of Ebbe Skovdahl or Steve Paterson? But a club's standards are not set by the worst appointments in its past. Those two helped Calderwood by dragging the club to such depths that he arrived when there was plenty of room for improvement.

 

The question Milne, Miller and chief executive Duncan Fraser have to ask is whether a new manager would transform the fans' morale, improve attendances and gate receipts and, crucially, get more from the current squad than Calderwood. And they will know the correct answer.

 

The Celtic support's repertoire at away games includes a couple of songs which have been silenced at Parkhead for quite some time and do the club no favours. They have been criticised for still belting them out, and rightly so.

 

Credit where it is due, though, and that means applause for those behind the banner demonstration at Rugby Park last weekend. They pointed out the absurdity of £25 Kilmarnock v Celtic tickets being dearer than those for AC Milan v Lazio, Feyenoord v Ajax or Bayern Munich v Werder Bremen league fixtures. "Rip-off prices = empty seats," was the message in a stadium with plenty of them.

 

A legitimate, mature, proper complaint in contrast with the rubbish normally associated with Celtic and Rangers away from home. It was a protest which had to be made, and which deserves to succeed.

 

 

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Russell "I want to finish my career at Aberdeen" Anderson, and giving his sign-on fee back to AFC.

Actions of a man desperate to leave AFC the season he could lead the club in Europe.

:hammer:

 

 

As far as i can remember anderson never hid his desire to test himself in the premiership should the chance arise

 

What he said.

Yup, that's what he said, when NO team were in for him, however once there was clear interest......

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aberdeen/6244320.stm

"Russell wanted to go and as a club we cannot really deny him the chance to play against some of the best players in the world and challenge that comes with that," Miller added.

 

 

Barely sevices the debt and opening the stadium

Still we spend more on wages and have a greater turnover than most other clubs

 

Really? Seriously, you believe that? Hibs just bought back Riordan, bought bamba and a few others, Untied spent in the summer, Caley spent money, Well bought too - so I don't think we are the "streets" ahead some seem to think we are.

We DO spend more on wages than those clubs you have listed.  And even if our wages are not "streets ahead" it still doesn't excuse the terrible football, crazy tactics and awful results we have had to endure in the last year.

 

Sadly probability doesn't work like that. You are trying to say everything is 50/50 - it either happens or it doesn't.

If we were drawing straws to get to a final - yes we may have been in one sooner - but it doesn't work like that in the real world - we actually have to play football to qualify for the final.

So it is acceptable to get beaten by QotS and United like we did last season?

So it is acceptable that since we got to a cup final dunfermline, livi, gretna, dundee, dundee united, hearts, hibs, queen of the south, killie, motherwell and ayr united have all got to finals?

 

And the last season we got into two cup finals, where did we finish in the league?

It's the old expectation thing again - you seem to expect that AFC - if funded and managed properly will set the heather alight and be challenging for the league and 2 cups, with a decent european run.

Without serious money from Wiggy to improve the squad and the product on show it isn't going to happen.

 

Where is anyone saying that? You seem to believe everything the Daily Retard tells you.

 

What I, and I think most dons fans, would hope for is:

1)Consistancy in the league, challenging for a european spot most seasons

2)With a european run seen as a bonus, with the hope we don't humilate ourselves (see Bohemians)

3)Cup semi finals on a reasonably regular basis

4)With Cup finals maybe every 4-5years

5)With the odd cup win thrown in

 

Surely that isn't too unrealistic for a club of Aberdeen's size when football is increasingly determined by the size of your club

 

Even with a bit of investment from him used correctly is unlikely to yield the results you want.

A bit of investment would make a huge difference (see Hearts, Gretna, Livi) before they went tits up. However longterm a sustainable club not dependent on handouts is what is required

 

As has been said on here before, JC has bought the best he can for peanuts and a can of sh*t - if Wiggy would give him a decent sum - we could improve - rather than trying to stay mediocre with less and less resources.

JC has bought well

He has also bought really badly

He has also shown that he cannot organise or motivate these players often enough

 

Sadly probability doesn't work like that. You are trying to say everything is 50/50 - it either happens or it doesn't.

If we were drawing straws to get to a final - yes we may have been in one sooner - but it doesn't work like that in the real world - we actually have to play football to qualify for the final.

So it is acceptable to get beaten by QotS and United like we did last season?

So it is acceptable that since we got to a cup final dunfermline, livi, gretna, dundee, dundee united, hearts, hibs, queen of the south, killie, motherwell and ayr united have all got to finals?

 

Where am I saying anything about it being acceptable to get beated by QOS ot United?

You were arguing (incorrectly) that getting to a cup final is based on probability and random chance - it isn't and that's a plain fact.

 

We DO spend more on wages than those clubs you have listed.  And even if our wages are not "streets ahead" it still doesn't excuse the terrible football, crazy tactics and awful results we have had to endure in the last year.

And it's Jimmy's decision to pay that wage? No it's Miller and Wiggys

 

You seem to believe everything the Daily Retard tells you.

Must be confusing me with some of your mates. I rarely buy paper based news products anymore - I have a tv and the internet. (and live in NI, so doubt i'd get the retard anywhere here apart from Larne)

 

What I, and I think most dons fans, would hope for is:

1)Consistancy in the league, challenging for a european spot most seasons

2)With a european run seen as a bonus, with the hope we don't humilate ourselves (see Bohemians)

3)Cup semi finals on a reasonably regular basis

4)With Cup finals maybe every 4-5years

5)With the odd cup win thrown in

1 is perhaps a realistic challenge, 2 also.

3,4 and 5 depend on big game players turning up for cup ties - we don't have the quality. We might be able to scrape consistency in the SPL, but getting a result in a cup game is very different, especially in the latter stages.

We beat Celtic at parkhead last season, by hook or crook, but then the big names fell flat on the arse in the semi.

 

A bit of investment would make a huge difference (see Hearts, Gretna, Livi) before they went tits up. However longterm a sustainable club not dependent on handouts is what is required

 

Sustainable club and achievements on the park are mutually exclusive - especially when there will always be someone coming along pumping money into some club somewhere.

 

JC has bought well

He has also bought really badly

He has also shown that he cannot organise or motivate these players often enough

 

All managers buy well and poorly - it's not just JC - even Ferguson at Utd has bought some s*ite.

As for the argument that a manager cannot motivate a team - it's just pathetic.

These players are on astronomical wages, which they will pick up even if we are relegated.

They shouldn't need motivated - they are being rewarded for their services - and if they can't be professional and give their best then why do we employ them?

 

It was several players who should have been sacked after QoS debacle, not Jimmy.

You were arguing (incorrectly) that getting to a cup final is based on probability and random chance - it isn't and that's a plain fact.

What I'm suggesting is that if all those clubs can get to cup finals while we can't despite greater resources then it suggests there is something wrong with our players and by extension our manager. Even when we were historically poor, say the 60s, we still got to the odd final, so I don't think I am being crazily unrealistic.

 

And it's Jimmy's decision to pay that wage? No it's Miller and Wiggys
It is WM and SM's decision on how much our wage budget is. It is up to JC how he spends that

 

Must be confusing me with some of your mates. I rarely buy paper based news products anymore - I have a tv and the internet. (and live in NI, so doubt i'd get the retard anywhere here apart from Larne)

Sorry it was just that your comments about expectations read as if lifted straight from that rag

 

3,4 and 5 depend on big game players turning up for cup ties - we don't have the quality. We might be able to scrape consistency in the SPL, but getting a result in a cup game is very different, especially in the latter stages.

We beat Celtic at parkhead last season, by hook or crook, but then the big names fell flat on the arse in the semi.

 

Cup games are invariably against the same teams we "scrape consistency" against in the league.  Yes we managed to beat Celtic so why can't we beat QotS? Plenty of other clubs "scrape consistency" in the league and get to the odd cup final, why not us.  They clearly don't have more "big game players".

 

JCs cup record is nothing short of appalling.

 

All managers buy well and poorly - it's not just JC - even Ferguson at Utd has bought some s*ite.

As for the argument that a manager cannot motivate a team - it's just pathetic.

These players are on astronomical wages, which they will pick up even if we are relegated.

They shouldn't need motivated - they are being rewarded for their services - and if they can't be professional and give their best then why do we employ them?

 

Quite possibly true however the evidence would suggest JC cannot get this group of players, a group of players he has brought in, to be motivated, organised or have even the most basic of skills.

I would blame him for that

What I'm suggesting is that if all those clubs can get to cup finals while we can't despite greater resources then it suggests there is something wrong with our players and by extension our manager. Even when we were historically poor, say the 60s, we still got to the odd final, so I don't think I am being crazily unrealistic.

I don't think we are going to agree here - or even get in the same ball park.

Calderwood has also only been here since 2004, which is 4 seasons, plus this current one.

You can hardly lay all the blame for not reaching cup finals at JC's feet.

Regardless of how inept our semis were last season, that was an achievement to play in 2 semis.

 

It is WM and SM's decision on how much our wage budget is. It is up to JC how he spends that

Again, I don;t agree, JC might find players, but WM and SM sort out the financials

 

Cup games are invariably against the same teams we "scrape consistency" against in the league.  Yes we managed to beat Celtic so why can't we beat QotS?

We all know football doesn't work like that. We beat X and X beat Rangers, so we are better than Rangers. Just No.

 

JCs cup record is nothing short of appalling.

2 semis last year is not appalling - despite how we played in the semis - reaching 2 semis is nowhere near appaling.

 

Quite possibly true however the evidence would suggest JC cannot get this group of players, a group of players he has brought in, to be motivated, organised or have even the most basic of skills. I would blame him for that

 

Again, there is only so much JC can do.

He can pick a team and tell them how to play.

STOP RIGHT THERE...The celtic game at the weekend - clearly our best performance of the season so far - so yes the players can be motivated and produce results - and Jimmy is right - they should do that every week.

You can blame him if you want - but who are the players on the park not doing it - yes those very same players who did it against Celtic last weekend.

 

As i've said, we are no where near agreeing on anything here, and i've got much better things to do. Agree to differ.

You can blame him if you want - but who are the players on the park not doing it - yes those very same players who did it against Celtic last weekend.

 

 

So the players should take the flak when they don't do well, and conversely take the credit when they succeed? So essentially, there are no good or bad managers?

So the players should take the flak when they don't do well, and conversely take the credit when they succeed? So essentially, there are no good or bad managers?

 

you do realise it's a team sport don't you?

Which of those three wanted to stay? So you could say they sold themselves, as did Nicholson & Lovell.

 

Hart definitely did. Source at the club, and heard it from various people. He left because they wouldn't pay him the same as Zander.

 

Anderson, after having talks with other clubs DID want to stay, but he'd shot himself in the foot by asking for money we couldn't afford which led to the club accepting offers.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

 

Orthodontic shoes.

you do realise it's a team sport don't you?

 

absolutely. Is the manager not part of the overall team, then?

Anderson, after having talks with other clubs DID want to stay, but he'd shot himself in the foot by asking for money we couldn't afford which led to the club accepting offers.

 

I had heard that Anderson went back after speaking to clubs to say he would take deal offered only to be told wages had already been allocated to signing the cripple from Wolves.

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I had heard that Anderson went back after speaking to clubs to say he would take deal offered only to be told wages had already been allocated to signing the cripple from Wolves.

 

It true, then words completely fail me ::)

It true, then words completely fail me ::)

 

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Take more than that mate >:(

 

Its supposed to be a pinch of salt, not a spoonful of sugar!  ;)

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Well you certainly fooled me with that.

Some fecking amount of salt you must put on your food if you classify that as a pinch ;)

Well you certainly fooled me with that.

Some fecking amount of salt you must put on your food if you classify that as a pinch ;)

 

Great with chips  :thumbsup:

Well you certainly fooled me with that.

Some fecking amount of salt you must put on your food if you classify that as a pinch ;)

 

Dude, with the greatest respect for everyone on here, most of it is unsubstantiated . . . . . .

 

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Dude, with the greatest respect for everyone on here, most of it is unsubstantiated . . . . . .

 

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FFS TF, why spoil a good story with facts ::)

And I did say IF true

absolutely. Is the manager not part of the overall team, then?

 

where's my nearest brick wall  :hammer:

where's my nearest brick wall  :hammer:

 

we'll sack the fucking lot of them then, eh?

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