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Sure fits in Here's some logic Between 11-2:30 on a Saturday there are 40 bus routes with 480 bus services arriving within walking distance of Pittodrie. This for 2200 people. Between 11-3 the transport assessment with public and special buses includes 3 bus routes along the A944, B9119 and Dyce P&R with 65 bus services. This for at least 6000 people. *In before imaginary buses will appear to serve 4 fans whenever they want to get on a bus 2800 walking down to 344. I make that 415 less options, 37 less routes and 2456 now having to travel. Great location. The club will thrive with the greater ease of getting there in a Dons heartland. And what effect will the AWPR have on a stadium in the city.

Even though I'm not a nimby nor affected by this, it's clearly a giant red stadium much bigger than any other 'why didn't they oppose that' developments in the most prominent place possible, and is indeed the last remaining border. We either have an unbelievable stadium in a bad location or a basic one in a great location. There is no trade off with what's proposed and it seems many won't appreciate the loss of identity until they're watching fake aberdeen fc in such a stadium outside the city.

McInnes is destroying him.

Really? May as well have been sent off. Might have rallied the team like the last game against them. Instead he scared the shit out the defence, gave away the ball for the 1st and could have stopped the 2nd if we wasn't asleep on his heels.

They knew absolutely nothing, said there 'would be shuttle buses and parking' and obviously they couldn't have all the information until the assessments etc.....8 months and every authority objecting later... A pitiful attempt #3 at this idea and Milne should step down as soon as it's rejected.

It was a few printouts with no information whatsoever. Club officials sitting around staring at their phone leaving fans to take the flak. It was deliberate, to hide the reality from fans and locals. Milne is absolutely hellbent on delivering his own vision of an out of town stadium and training ground which he sees as his legacy, after which he will sell up and go. Leaving us, the fans expected to attend games, to live with a cheap soulless ground nae even in Aberdeen with farcically limited options to get there and when and how to experience gan to the football.

The proposed houses are right on the edge of the land at all sides in the masterplan. It could even be bigger student accommodation all over. Look at the height of most developments in that area. Yes I think many would prefer a stadium. The place would lose its character and, from comments defending against the NKS marauding pisshose fans myth, many on pittodrie street and merkland road enjoy living next to it and the life. If we really wanted a solution we would find at least one. We could actually consult with the locals. We could try working with the council rather than making them an enemy, playing the victim and trying to bully everyone into accepting it.

I don't see that being the case. It would be further away for a start. The other option is a much closer house looking into their window.

It would be exactly the same at Pittodrie with space behind all except the main? If there's a solution to this then I do not have a clue how you can't apply the same thing.

Windsor Park £19.8m one is in Germany. Polish one was about £10m. Aesthetics are not the focus. On that point I think moving away the design and everything matters a lot to make fans go there. If it was something like Juventus's stadium we were going to I could see the experience negating the location. But it's nae, even supporters of the move don't think the stadium itself is great. Whereas Pittodrie is already a mess and almost anything would be seen as improvements.

It could look much better but it was the access I was referring to. View wise I'd much rather see a game from basically any seat there.

Cheers for explanations regardless if I disagree on whatever. I'm almost certain Kingsford will be rejected which is why I'm looking at this. Found Paderborn's stadium which is exactly what I was envisioning access and concourse wise and probably how most imagine a redeveloped 3 sides. 15,000 capacity cost £19.8m in 2008. A Polish team bought the same design because it was so cheap and did it for 10,000.

It's 12,000 with no main stand, no corners and 15 metres behind the 2 stands.

I understand about the emergency routes and evacuation. Hamilton, 6000 seats. Walkways and what's behind them included, in our footprint. 12,000. £40m. Sorry, I will die before I accept this. I prefer the stands like those as well, on that point. Front row is a great view compared to not being able to see a thing. Partick Thistle's north stand. 2,000 capacity. Half of it built in 2004 onwards I believe. Not as deep as our main stand.

St Mirren's separated stands on 3 sides, which have concourses and a full deep main stand, fit in our footprint with loads of room to spare and hold 6390. The stadium cost £8m. The Merkland end could be much bigger and the corners filled in either with corporate or offices there instead of in the main (south) stand (which would save more space on that side) or more seats. I absolutely refuse to believe you could not have a 16,000 seater. With standing even 17-18,000. Re: cutting off £2m, yes if it was 12,000 capacity, not if it was 15 or more and the average increased above our current one. Re: barrier replacement, one that isn't on the goal line, or a different design and type. I don't know if you can have the ones with no rail on top like at Groningen's stadium, but that would solve it.

Our attendances in all of McInnes's games in the last 4 seasons: Are we reliant on those hun, tim and european games? So fans go through all the stress of those other stands to better see the goal line you can't see from almost every part of the other stands? I have wondered why they don't replace the barrier at the front. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/165864-pittodrie-unfit-for-purpose/page-2 http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?1083417-Aberdeen-on-brink-of-historic-%A340million-stadium-move There's no atmosphere because of the uneven stands. When there's any singing you can hear it from anywhere. There's no atmosphere because nobody sings and when most do it's at speaking volume. If there's the same lack of singing in a new stadium there would still be no atmosphere, which will be the case till they sell booze at home games and inhibitions are lost. Where does it say prices will decrease and a core focus is to make football genuinely affordable to increase attendances? Do you think the above is actually likely and how? Yes, a lot. When is it likely to happen? In the worst possible case the RDS and Merkland hold 10,000. But you're talking as if we average about 5,000 more than we do. We struggle to break 10,000 season ticket holders which includes the smaller deals. A better smaller stadium full the majority of the time would be an improvement financially. They've planned/hoped for an average of 13,750 at Kingsford. The submission relies on that in a lot of areas. Corporate doesn't have to be in the main stand and 1500 is about 11 rows of the very shallow Merkland. Is that right? What's with them building onto Merkland Lane and Pittodrie Street in the housing plans with rerouted roads? Is there no scope for us to do anything like that? Have we tried? http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.asp?lID=73327&sID=27599 Blanked out costs version but it's referred to in council meetings as 10% more than Loirston which was £38m. It says who came up with the cost there. Likewise have I missed proof of redevelopment capacity and cost on basically anything?

About what?

What for? Guaranteed benefits - what are they?

You can get all of the above in parts of Pittodrie which are empty. Often thrown about claims the small away supports are due to the facilities. Other team's forums are actually full of them saying there'd be no point going and they're not getting a shuttle bus. When everyone sings there's a great atmosphere and when they don't there isn't any at all. Everything else is a myth. It's not going to change no matter what shape or size anything is. Can they get cheaper was the point. The answer is they won't. They've said they'll be adding to them for parking and buses. I know all that. I'm looking for the case for moving stadium. It seems to be, to save money on maintenance and kitchens and the rest we don't have a clue and could be a disaster. I don't think it needs to be 20,000 or anywhere near that but understand we have to have a minimum of this due to the cock measuring contest with Hearts and Hibs and we like 7,000 empty seats for 34 games a season. I think something like Maribor's stadium is more suited to us, perhaps with a large Bayer Leverkusen type corporate end. The cost of a 21,000 Links stadium was to be £42m.

Well it's good to see Yule and the club come out and immediately correct the headline and sub headline which say to put to rest any such nonsense, because that's definitely not what he was implying when he said 'they may not have a team to support'. One example of people defending something staring them in the face just because the WANKS have said it. Here was the original full quote What a completely out of touch cunt. What does anyone see improving by moving the stadium out there? Bigger crowds ? Bigger away crowds? More atmosphere ? Ticket prices? Winning more at home ? A more unwelcoming cauldron hated by the huns and tims where we can beat anyone on our day?

“To be honest, unless we move this club into the 21st century with proper facilities, there's a very real danger those fans walking up King Street in the long term may not have a team to support." Come on. Ironically we wouldn't be walking up King Street, we wouldn't be walking and we wouldn't have a club to support in the city.

Say No To Kingsford Stadium popped up. People asked questions or tried to wind them up and got blocked and annoyed. Say YES to Kingsford popped up and thousands joined for the laugh. People from No Kingsford made accusations against football fans which galvanised support for it and rooted people into defending even complete tosh. Anyone who questions anything about it on social media are attacked by the baying mob so most who oppose it or have concerns don't say anything and others don't see opposition to it so go along with it. The Makro area is an hour's walk from town, which seemed a never going back deal breaker. We've replaced it with a 2 hour walk from town. There's definitely a big silent opposition out there.

Loirston seemed like insanity till they came up with this, which is just a farce yet has more support because of the outrageous 'might have no club to support' propaganda and the emphasis being on the training facilities at Kingsford. At least far more people could walk and theoretically walk to Loirston, the transport plan for a 21,000 midweek game was approved, and if the train station was rebuilt it would have been pretty good.

Merchandise changed before Yule. McInnes turned us from a running joke into stable world and tim beaters turning a profit after which came bigger deals. I'm looking for what he did. I don't see any training facilities. Pittodrie is almost black and the inside just being left to rot. He thinks coach transport to games from 3 locations is a viable future.

Is that related? Our improved fortunes on the pitch and financially are solely down to Derek McInnes...and the mysterious donation from the Donald's. The stadium is in a worse state than ever before and a match was abandoned only a few months ago. No training base after 5 years....what am I missing? Add in a stadium application which so far has been rejected by about 7 consultees.