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I'm lost that you're asking this question. Nothing to do with land by the beach the council may have identified after the club indicated they were moving to Kingsford. SDPA - However, this does not demonstrate the need to have co-location but merely that it is preferable for the club. The applicant has still not adequately addressed the need to co-locate activities on one site. In light of this, the sequential test should be approached on the basis of separating the stadium from the training facilities. It goes on and on after that about almost every aspect of it not being right. Can't believe the time wasted on the wrong sites. 15 years since we were apparently first presented the opportunity of this site, these hurdles could have been passed long ago. We will continue to waste time on the wrong sites. Where it says development opportunity may have been this newly identified land.

You wot? I've read that spiel 100 times and it has nothing to do with "the council has offered land in Aiberdeen". The reasons were also not accepted by planners.

Development opportunity.....

This is basically what I was getting at. Plus the course? Right, I've copied the whole Pittodrie site and cut it up to check this. Only said long term in one of the docs. 2003 planning study There are possibilities if people are willing and all parties involved. Loads of things like this needing to be done for Kingsford.

Did none of you have a local pitch/court and/or community centre? Is that after your time or something? The 10 hectare site is the driving range and adjacent cricket pitch. Both are owned by the council. Craig Group Leisure have a long term lease on the driving range. It would involve compensating Craig Group Leisure to relocate the driving range. I don't know if the shop would have to go with it, but otherwise the construction cost of moving a few signs and a teeing off area to another location around the Links wouldn't be high I would think? Stadium and car park would be more crammed in. Lot of filler space in stadium half of Kingsford due to car park limit, replaced with extensive concourse, trees and so on. Isn't the AWPR specifically being built to relieve congestion on Union Street and King Street and the bridges into Aberdeen?

I just associate it with turning up when you require and using whatever facilities are there! Whether that be a gym or computers or some empty room. Shame it's in such an unrequired location if there are indeed community uses.

It's 10 hectares - the stadium side of Kingsford is 12.5 hectares and the awkward shape appears to limit it. I don't know all the would be answers to congestion issues leaving. Controlled car parks, better traffic organisation and more buses would aid that I'd think. The AWPR have some impact freeing up roads too? I honestly can't remember one time in my childhood where I paid to use a community facility or booked anything. Turned up and played football and used changing rooms and whatever. Not saying it wouldn't benefit people in general and have some organised stuff on but it's just not the bored kids and louts turning up in the middle of their community that I associate the thing with.

I associate it with turning up somewhere and using the facilities there. Maybe there's another description for that type of thing. Modernised community use I think of those fully fenced dual fitba basketball courts.

Might just be me but I wouldn't call that community use. Kings Links is served by enough public transport from all over and they'd say they would add additional ones to bring down the amount of cars. 1300 spaces, the beach and perhaps Bridge of Don park & ride.

Either I don't understand it or this community stuff is being mindlessly repeated. As far as I've read there will be 5 pitches and 1 or 2 available for hire (cost?) when not being used by the youngsters which I don't think would be very often or at useful times. It's not the local kids being able to turn up and play whenever they want. Apart from that there will be...a cafe?

You do need approximately 30 more bus lines running every 10 minutes.

This is where I specifically totally disagree. I was slightly enthused by the idea of some superstadion that everyone would make the effort to go to. The stadium looks so average the mock ups suck the life out of me.

If this fails then we'll find out! The person in question didn't know where it was. There were folk speculating and one saying the driving range would relocate if it could be done. I guess Douglas Craig is a friend of Milne since he was one of those doing the All For Aurora. There's nothing to get bulldozed or anything. Council could just lease us the land rather than us buy it since it would be very expensive?

Do you think he made up the first part and it happened to be right?

I don't believe there's any chance this person made it up and persistently lied about something so random that came true a few weeks later. Unless others see a reason to?

I think it would be training facilities there in another application and stadium who knows where. It simply won't be Aberdeenshire unless right next to a train station and again it would help to know where the land at Dyce was that the council identified 4 years ago. Read it on afc chat and facebook from people who'd posted about Westhill before it was announced. We were shit. You value things more when not winning, a better perspective.

Could they somehow say no to the stadium only or would it be an outright no and try again?

There would be a need for shuttles along King Street. It would take less time, the same bus could be used much more and presumably would mean far less buses needed. Kingsford needs private hires from every corner of the city to the ground. It's like a Kingsford but with public routes from everywhere to Kingswells P&R. I've read Yule's newspaper letter about the AECC just now. When you have to list "community sports hub, training academy and new stadium with associated parking" there's a whiff of unwillingness. It would be helpful to know basic estimated costs for the locations they look at. I read a few times the council panicked at the club trying for Kingsford and suddenly identified land by the beach but the club weren't interested. Also would be helpful to know where this is. I reckon the strange ground conditions unallocated land next to Seaton. Perceived bus links and direction of travel. A much stranger thing is how fans were so against Loirston but militantly in favour of Kingsford. My biggest worry is it's because we're winning and no one gives a shit about anything while that happens. All For Aurora is really All For McInnes Staying And Winning And We Will Reach The Champions League. A condition for Loirston was near 75% would take the bus, and there was to be some astronomical number like 140 Park and Ride buses. The council seem to be very strong on too much car use. They don't believe people would use the buses since there are so few links.

Less parking next to it due to bigger numbers in cars and more on buses and walking. A couple, but as you say it would be an actual shuttle bus along King Street for those going to or from town for another one, rather than up to 40 minutes back. Possibly, but I don't understand why they say there is no evidence ACC would like to purse a football stadium with the club. Well obviously there's not going to be. Have they asked? I was thinking it might but given Aberdeenshire Council's objection and threats and Strategic and Economic being against it I don't think so anymore. There was a huge condition on the buses at Loirston, if I remember correctly, 73% would get there by bus and Aberdeen had to prove it would happen. At Kingsford the club wants close to the opposite, and the council don't believe it wouldn't be closer to 90%. That could be the reason but not the reason given... Pandering.

Look like maybe 2500 in total in the proper car parks - 600 or more taken away for a stadium. The club also says the site isn't big enough for training facilities. I call bullshit on that unless they're desperate for 5 pitches. Ignore the capacity - it would be around a third of the parking? I think it would be far less reliant on cars. They don't appear to believe any cunt would use the bus plan they've submitted to go to Kingsford, whereas people already go into town and along King Street. It's only adding to the same journey. Aberdeenshire Council which everyone is pointing towards as helpful has objected to Kingsford and raised concerns/threatened that half of the footbridge, which is a condition of approval from RDM, is in Aberdeenshire.

So what can you see that Arka's stadium doesn't comply with stadium safety guide wise? Needless to say Tynecastle fits in much the same, as does the Paderborn one. Whatever is cheapest, works best and ensures nothing collapses. It looks like it's away to fall down anyway. I'm not expecting it to be free if we don't own it. This is all what ifs though. It might be no problem at all. I don't think it would remain as is otherwise most of it is unusable. I can't picture this but building the rest of it up the way instead of taking the hill down? We can't take away the car park but can't replace the car park like for like on the other side with more access routes? Meant on the current site but nothing to do with current position.

Good bit of thinking. Wonder how much the cost actually would be?

Artificial pitch? If that's what you're referring to. I was watching a Young Boys Bern game and thought the pitch looked good then found out it's artifical. Nothing like the Hamilton and Killies.

Lots of legroom, exits and stairways? Any that doesn't block light for the flats. There is lots of space left between them and the stadium though, especially if you entered from the top as demonstrated. Here's that same one for reference, at 16,000. I don't see what the well clear of residential development has to do with this when it's the same or more space provided as the Pittodrie sketch and room for everything needed Can't think of another one with the main entrance on the end. It's Arka Gdynia. This is Anderlecht's 28,000 seater entire space. Does someone still own or live in that? I thought there's rusty boarded up windows. It's part of the land used in the application for flats. I doubt that would be a problem since not many grounds have a giant car park mostly for away fans and segregation. I don't know the cost. I'd guess it's around King's Links costs. The hill is flattened in the application for flats, of course. I wasn't thinking about doing the other half in a couple of months, just about the need for a pitch for the start of the next season. So a massive concourse. Not saying it wouldn't, I'm more interested in what's possible, and if the reason against a new Pittodrie as shown would be only down to money.

Here, my last effort at Pittodrie. There's no way they're going to go through rebuilding current stands so a new build. I've used Arka Gdynia's 15,000 capacity stadium which looks up to all our regulations. Use a slope if necessary for light issues from the flats. Stick whatever required and the main entrance on the north end like Old Trafford. Flatten the car park hill. Build the outer 2.5 stands first while we use the current ground so they can be used the next season. Bang. Circulation. Evacuation. Near 20k. Concourses. Facilities. Double the parking space where West Pittodrie was. Not far off the same shape and footprint as Anderlecht.