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How much of a factor is shinnie in this change of fortune? Didn’t think it was a red tonight either.

No ramadani today…injured?

SeeBass, quite the opposite, I think you created a good thread! Good fun discussion/debate, and bit of reminiscing, and a bit of fun. We’ve had some quality up top and some shite, and it’s fun hearing people’s opinions. Pub/game chat that would be friendly banter were we all in person!

Lee Miller and Steve Lovell, thought that was going to be a dream front line but just didn’t really pan out that way…

Stevie May, Goodwillie, JET, and Mackie being there is laughable. No sign of mcdougall and black? Big factor in us winning the league in 84/85.

Exactly this. Looked good with a solid back 4 but got shit when the pressure kicked in and defense was weak. To me he lost confidence and never recovered from that.

We have to do what’s best for the club, not Robson. While he may see us as his forest green (unlikely), pretty sure the club compares themselves more to a Scottish Everton. Yes we can give him a shot and hope for the best, giving him a go as you say, but we tried that with glass, and then goodwin. Every hire is a gamble, no manager guarantees success. But a manager with a background that includes time in management, success, winning, trophies etc is less of a gamble than a guy who has never had a full time managers gig before.

I‘m not denying Robson hasn’t done a bad job. But until a few weeks ago he coached our u18s. He’s ‘managed’ maybe a dozen games in two stints here, in a position that has little to lose as he’s helping the club out as interim. You could argue Agnew was brought in to help stablize a team that were going bad fast and could get sucked into a relegation battle. I wouldn’t say Agnew was brought in because Robson saw his own inexperience.This is robson’s only first team coaching/managing experience at any club. That’s a huge risk - we failed badly with glass, and failed again with goodwin. Third time a charm?? I’d compare it to going to college. You learn the theory, maybe some placement or on job experience, graduate, that start a real gig. Do you jump from a new graduate to a top job or do you build your way up? Just don’t see cormack going for inexperience a third time. Maybe not a great comparison, but perhaps Robson needs to find his forest green like Duncan Ferguson??

Goodwin was totally inexperienced, especially at our level. Never coached at a level Aberdeen expect, and never reached the standards a club like ours expects. Not well travelled or had managerial experience outside of Scotland. Not worldly. Goodwin has never been at a club where winning trophies and advancing in Europe is the expectation (not simply qualifying.) we need a guy who has had similar experiences and pressures. Someone who has to coach and adjust coaching to win big games, make decisions to advance in cups, and coach during games to have significant impact. While having the pressures of a big club. Ok, he played in england and that’s experience, but not coaching experience. Managing a part time club like alloa has very different demands and expectations, at st mirren it’s survival, hopefully top 6, maybe latter stages of a cup, maybe even a final, but that’s punching above their weight. Being at aberdeen was a big step up for him. I’d like someone who has experiences similar demands and similar pressures. Someone who has won something and experienced significant pressures to win. While I’m not saying I want the likes of strachan, McGhee, Lennon, Paul lambert, jack Ross etc, all have achieved more and have greater experience than goodwin and a ‘safer’ hire. im not saying goodwin is a bad manager. Maybe he’s better than Robson, maybe worse. But I think given the business that is football today, the millions involved, the demands of a big club, the pressures of winning, especially at a club who needs to build or renovate a stadium, money matters big time. Selecting the right manager has a big element of luck, but experience really matters IMHO.

I still see Robson as a short term fix guy, win games now and do whatever it takes. You know the players, do what it takes. That’s hard to implement long term. He has impressed me too but being a full time manager with short and long term goals is different. Experience matters. Repeating myself but we failed with the last two guys being inexperienced, we won’t do that again. I just don’t see it.

I think it says something that Watkins is involved more. All effort and workrate to succeed right now. However, I only think that lasts so long which suggests short term fix. But as I have said, happy for Robson to be an assistant or first team coach.

Very solid performance from what I saw. Good win! I know others disagree but I really like shinnie and ramadani in center mid, two workers with drive who allow others to be creative.

4 at the back w scales at LB? Or back 3 with Hayes at left wing back??

Absolute silence on the managerial front? Nobody spotted house shopping or at the airport? Haven’t heard John Hughes mentioned in a few days either. Waiting impatiently…

I think we’re saying similar things. Don’t think McGhee was hired purely on friendship, he’s a very experienced manager who had a close relationship with strachan. I’d say it was more really bad judgement on strachan to hire, certainly understand the Dundee fans who were dismayed by the appointment. I think Robson needs to move on if he’s not going to be an assistant or first team coach. he’s got good coaching experience now, but needs the management experience. Time for a stint at dunfermline, Clyde, Morton etc, somewhere to blood his club and team leadership and the pressures of that. We cannot hire a third ‘good young manager’ with limited experience. We need more than that at this point and I’m certain cormack will go for an older manager with reputation/management experience.

Any you know why Robson picked him? Assuming it was Robson that picked him. I’d speculate Robson, an interim hire who is under potential consideration, wouldn’t be given that authority. He may be asked for input but he wouldn’t have that power. And you know strachan only picked McGhee because he’s a mate? Can’t agree with either, you don’t know the inside reasonings unless you have close personal relationships here, which I’m assuming you do not (certainly correct me if I’m wrong.) Robson, McGhee, and strachan have all worked at enough clubs and international level too. there have been successful inexperienced managers and unsuccessful experienced managers, and vice versa. We failed with two inexperienced managers relative to our expectations, will be surprised if we go with a first time manager in Robson.

That’s crazy, and sad at the same time. And in 84 we should have beaten Porto to return to the final. Couldn’t imagine us being one of the best teams in Europe these days. If I recall, weren’t we close to signing boniek from juve. Fair comparison would be like us signing modric maybe??

Sounds like you are describing Duk. Is it Duk??

Every hire is a risk. Experience to me brings lesser risk, but still risk. I don’t believe knowing our league, players etc is a major factor, especially when you can have Scottish assistants or coaches involved. Foreign coaches are hired all over the world, at club and international level, and can be successful, Scotland is not unique. Glass and goodwin were very uninspiring hires as I voiced at the time, plus both inexperienced. I’d rather take a punt on Rodriguez or the likes, make it a little more interesting, especially when there are so few appealing Scottish//British managers.

Goodwin knew the league, players, language, culture….as did Paterson and miller of days past. Doesn’t guarantee anything.

Interesting article. Well written to promote the guy. Honestly, every hire needs timing and luck and we aren’t going to get pep or Jurgen, plus he’s more experienced than glass or goodwin. Also sounds like he’s older and mature enough to develop a club and not just a first team coach. Plus sounds like he’s eager to come to britain. Why not us as the next step? Is there any evidence that we’ve spoken to him or are actually considering him??

I’d argue some of our problems come from going 3 at the back. We’re a poor side, keep it simple with what our players are most familiar and that’s a back 4. Assuming mccrorie is back, he’s right back. I’d play scales at left back. I have no clue what to do with duk. He scores goals but I still think him and miovski together is square peg round hole. With a back 4 I’d try duk right wing, coulson left wing. I don’t see clarkson as a holding deep mid, that’s ramadani. Clarkson just behind miovski. Shinnie being shinnie. 2-1 us, in hope. Joe Lewisx2.

I’d honestly take strachan or Lennon, would have preferred either to glass or Goodwin, but as I mentioned on the game thread from today, I think a clean slate and a fresh start is needed. Someone with experience and some sort of success in his past, and no SPL baggage. Someone like an ange for example, but probably on a smaller scale. this includes parting ways with Robson, but still have a back room staff that includes SPL experience. There will be holes in whoever we hire, we all won’t be happy, but we’re not an English premiership team, or the old firm, and we have a limited budget for players and manager. in regards to timeline, I can only assume the new ceo is involved with the manager, hence he has involvement and the delay?

51 goals conceded from 26 games, can’t ever remember us having such a bad defensive record. Worst in the league too ffs. At this rate we’ll be over 70 by the seasons end. How did Macdonald and pollock look today??

Didn’t see the game so can’t comment. My knee jerk reaction is to punt Robson too and just start afresh with a whole new coaching staff. Get some guy in (not strachan) who is experienced but not SPL tarnished. Someone like an Ange for example. Not easy to find but a fresh new face may be a good thing.