Todays fitba in Football Chat Posted Tuesday at 18:19 7 hours ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said: Interesting view point above. I don't see it at all as embarrassing. It is an incredible achievement for anyone outside the old firm to win a trophy given the investment in their teams over the last 30 years. Our league is no different to England, Spain or Germany in that a provincial side winning something nowadays is becoming rarer and rarer. If you look at England, only 4 of their non "big six" teams have won their league cup in the last 20 years and their FA Cup is even worse with only 2 of the provincial sides winning it. That is 6 trophies out of 40. The gulf in cash between our top 2 sides and the rest is far greater than it is in England. The idea that our club should just be able to rock up and collect a bit of silverware every few years just because we spend a wee bit more on wages that some other clubs is massively underestimating how difficult it is to win something. I think you might have misunderstood what I was getting at. It’s brilliant for st. Johnstone, I’m jealous of their feat. It’s more embarrassing for us that despite us being Scotland’s “second club” during this period (obviously not in the last three years) despite the investment, it has shown that we have very little to show for it. This is a criticism of DM and the club. I don’t for one second think that we deserve anything, but I don’t think we’ve wanted it enough. There has been bad luck (Rodgers years) but the last few seasons it feels like we’ve just not had the desire, skill or nous to win. Luck plays a part (as al alluded to) but winning does not not appear to be in the clubs mentality at the mo. in terms of variety, it’s also good for the country.