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[Panda]

5 hours ago, Elgindon said:

Beginning to believe its as much about pot luck as to who fits in where.Deflated when McInnes was appointed,as plenty others were too,but he surprised me.And the opposite with Thelin,genuinely thought here we go,and was surprised at how poor he ended up.

    Odds are we must be about due a good guy.....

Aye I am calmed by the fact Lutz has clearly done his homework on this guy and followed his progress for a while, to the point that his tenure in France and the wait to get him hasn't weakened Lutz's resolve to appoint him. 

Thelin perhaps was good on paper, but maybe a deeper dive would have shown a few more cracks, not that you can ever guarantee success or failure.

[OrlandoDon]

39 minutes ago, Panda said:

I'm not having this. 

It wasn't a lucky start to the season. It was a team that needed to improve to keep the run going, and unfortunately didn't, but they earned every single one of those wins, the same way I wouldn't suggest the three months without a win after it was "unlucky".

If anything, considering Hibs were very fortunate with some refereeing decisions in various games in the run in, we were perhaps UNLUCKY not to have had a chance of third on the final day.

And as for the cup, what was lucky about it? We actually trailed for most of the game due to Celtic getting some good fortune. 

Let's not denigrate one of the best days in our recent history.  

Thought that sentence was leading up to Panda there

Absolutely there was luck in the way we started last season. We were not playing stunning football, blowing teams away. Credit to us, we ground out results, and fortune was on our side at times. There were certainly times opponents missed chances, and we took ours. Fortunate with the late nisbet goal at Ross county, hung on a little at Dundee in the second half, 3-2 v hearts they missed a bunch of chances etc.

to finish 5th was prob about right because we were rank pretty much from the league cup semi until the end of the season.

Our luck ran out and the breaks stopped going our way. We were unfortunate in the bad games at times too, but for the most part we were a shit watch for a number of games, and a shit watch for most of jimmy’s time here.

in the cup, hearts were better in the semi and them going down to 10 was massive, then 9. Final, Celtic were off that day, don’t think that was down to us, hit the post the bar etc, and we were fortunate with our goal. We defended well, but we certainly didn’t outplay them. Tremendous penalties from us but i do feel luck was on our side that day.

[Panda]

48 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Absolutely there was luck in the way we started last season. We were not playing stunning football, blowing teams away. Credit to us, we ground out results, and fortune was on our side at times. There were certainly times opponents missed chances, and we took ours. Fortunate with the late nisbet goal at Ross county, hung on a little at Dundee in the second half, 3-2 v hearts they missed a bunch of chances etc.

to finish 5th was prob about right because we were rank pretty much from the league cup semi until the end of the season.

Our luck ran out and the breaks stopped going our way. We were unfortunate in the bad games at times too, but for the most part we were a shit watch for a number of games, and a shit watch for most of jimmy’s time here.

in the cup, hearts were better in the semi and them going down to 10 was massive, then 9. Final, Celtic were off that day, don’t think that was down to us, hit the post the bar etc, and we were fortunate with our goal. We defended well, but we certainly didn’t outplay them. Tremendous penalties from us but i do feel luck was on our side that day.

I might concede the first three paragraphs, grudgingly, mainly because last season's league performances mean nothing to me.

But no, not the cup. Hearts were not better then us, was pretty even until they went down to 10, and Devlin should have been off long before he did. I'd have fancied our chances at 11 v 11.

"Celtic were off it". So were we in that case, I saw us play much better than that last season. But even so, the best players on the park were wearing red that day.

[OrlandoDon]

4 minutes ago, Panda said:

I might concede the first three paragraphs, grudgingly, mainly because last season's league performances mean nothing to me.

But no, not the cup. Hearts were not better then us, was pretty even until they went down to 10, and Devlin should have been off long before he did. I'd have fancied our chances at 11 v 11.

"Celtic were off it". So were we in that case, I saw us play much better than that last season. But even so, the best players on the park were wearing red that day.

Pretty pointless argument, quite intrigued at the moment to see how things play out. Keen too see McIntyre afeez and Geiger play.

re the cup final, look at the way we had played from Nov onwards. We were stunning vs rangers at home in the first half, then pretty much piss thereafter. I blame mcgrath’s penalty miss for our season going bad!

we defended well in the final, and had the occasional attacking play. I don’t agree with you saying we’d played much better last season. we rarely played well from Nov until end of season. Pretty brutal at times. But I do think Celtic won the league blowing teams away at times. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

Hearts the better team in last years cup semi.

Were.

They.

Fuck.

 

 

[Dougal]

7 hours ago, Panda said:

Thelin perhaps was good on paper, but maybe a deeper dive would have shown a few more cracks, not that you can ever guarantee success or failure.

I think a lot of Thelins success (initially with us) was down to the coaching team as a whole and things went markedly downhill after Emir Bajrami left. He was a really passionate guy and probably provided more balance in that he wouldn't have been afraid to give it tight to players who weren't pulling their weight. We seemed to lose the ability to attack as effectively after that. Would have been interesting to see how it would have panned out if they had kept him. Hopefully the lack of success for Horny Eirik in France had nothing to do with his assistant from Brann not joining him. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

Thelin knew one way to play and was found out after that first round of games.

He never looked happy after we moved to a more defensive approach.

Yet he left a Scottish Cup winning manager, only our fifth.

If playing Football Manager Top Trumps. Only a league title beats that.

Maybe having Lutz will be a help with this new guy. It's all alien to me as I don't follow football that closely.

I doubt the fans will be so tolerant with the new guy and no, not hounding him after one defeat. Well, Jupiter and Red John obviously will, but the rest of us will give him at least three games.

Nobody will buy into any three year plan pish again either.

Most of us don't expect to win the league or cups in the first season, but seeing a team competing/winning against 'lesser' teams would be a start.

By lesser, I mean the rest of the league, including the uglies.

I take comfort knowing that it doesn't take much to turn a teams fortunes around in Scotland.

 

[CurlsLikeTattie]

54 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

I doubt the fans will be so tolerant with the new guy and no, not hounding him after one defeat. Well, Jupiter and Red John obviously will, 

Careful, say that name 3 times and he will reappear 

[OxfordDon]

3 hours ago, Dougal said:

I think a lot of Thelins success (initially with us) was down to the coaching team as a whole and things went markedly downhill after Emir Bajrami left. He was a really passionate guy and probably provided more balance in that he wouldn't have been afraid to give it tight to players who weren't pulling their weight. We seemed to lose the ability to attack as effectively after that. Would have been interesting to see how it would have panned out if they had kept him. Hopefully the lack of success for Horny Eirik in France had nothing to do with his assistant from Brann not joining him. 

Whilst correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, would agree - it was very striking that our fortunes dropped off a cliff after Bajrami left.

Think this was compounded by the lengthy injury to key players at the same time, Mitov in particular.