Crazy American Politics

[Nellie The Don]

51 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

I said the left was worse than the right and I believe that. I didn’t say the right was blameless or innocent. Both are at fault.

I gave concrete examples. Can you do the same?

[OrlandoDon]

And this is where you lose me when we discuss politics. I’m not mental, the name calling starts. Been attacked here before, be it in 2020 when trump lost, or during Covid, so i tread lightly because people get personal really quickly, and ultimately I’m here for football. I am speaking from my experience living here, and the current situation, not about 50 years. I also treat many of you like my parents, if you don’t live here you get a filtered  view of America in your media. I don’t know if anyone else lives here but many of you seem to believe you have a really tight and clear understanding of American culture and what it’s like living here.

From what I see and sense here, being around it daily, watching news here, CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc, (plus having watched Charlie Kirk at times in recent years), and maybe starting to pay more attention in the last 10 years or so, I form my views. The daily attacks on a government, the rhetoric of politicians on the left talking about hitler and fascism, that doesn’t help. Trying to assassinate a president, twice, doesn’t help. I think it’s a statement in itself that we’ve seen recent attacks on the right and there’s no violence. Had it been a left equivalent killed this week, I think there would have definitely been a left leaning violent response.

I’ve also said I believe the one person who could really do something to make a positive different right now is trump. And he won’t.

[OrlandoDon]

19 minutes ago, Nellie The Don said:

I gave concrete examples. Can you do the same?

It’s not about winning an argument, I think it’s bigger than that. Winning and losing arguments is why we are at this point, we’re all losers at present. If you do some objective reading you’ll easily find it. We see it daily. From three assassination attempts in the last year, 2 on trump and now Kirk, plus the violence around BLM or ICE, politicized to left leaning causes, it’s all there. Listen to the likes of Tim Walz, AOC, its toxic. But you get similar on the right, there’s a lot of reflection needed that will unlikely happen.

how much time have you spent in America?

[OrlandoDon]

2 hours ago, Nellie The Don said:

Nah. Fuck that.

This all came about a week after Trump's deputy chief of staff said that the entire democratic party is 'not a political party, but a domestic extremist organisation'. 

Less than 3 months ago the democratic speaker of the Minnesota state legislature was assassinated by a right wing extremist, and your entire party basically just shrugged and ignored it.

The guy that attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer was lionised as a patriot by *checks notes* Charlie Kirk.

Trump pardoned everyone convicted of rioting and attacking the capitol building because they didn't like the result of the 2020 election. 

We've had him painting a target on Hilary Clinton's back by claiming that 'the 2nd ammendment people could stop her', and then Kamala Harris' by removing her secret service protection and then using the police union to prevent LAPD from protecting her.

Trump, and just about every other Maga talking head spent the last few days attempting to weaponise Charlie Kirk's death against the 'extremist left', to the point of invoking 'civil war', only for it to turn out that the shooter was nothing of the kind.

This upsurge in political violence is a problem from and of the right, and your Maga pals need to fucking own it or grace us all with a long overdue great big silence.

 

Harris’ protection was not removed. From what I understand, by law she got protection for 6 months, and she was given extra time, she got 9 months. Then the protection expired. So rather than it being removed, she was actually given an extension. 

you talk about trump pardoning but don’t talk about biden’s autopen granting pardons. Additionally, nobody actually knows who processed biden’s pardons. If I recall, his staffers were asked in congress under oath about it and they plead the fifth.

It’s both sides, but if you are abroad you don’t get the full story as left leaning media doesn’t report it.

[wee toon red]

Please take this as a genuine question Orlando Don as I think it was you that said it (apologies if it wasn’t):

What specifically is it that schools and colleges over there are teaching that’s “left” and lead folk like Charlie Kirk to think the opposite point of view needs to be put out on campuses across the country?

[Nellie The Don]

I've lived in the US for 2 years, and have family who have been here since the 70s. It has become a noticeably less safe and stable place over the last 9 months.

 

Just saying 'I believe they are worse' is all fine and well. Some people believe in the tooth fairy. When they start arming themselves and talking about going to war with the tooth fairy, it's time for the sake of everyone's safety to challenge them to justify what the fuck they are talking about.