rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Our chairman went up hugely in my estimation with this response to my e-mail after the AGM. Thanks for your email, I hear what you and others are saying, we clearly see there are issues that the Club need to deal with in respect of certain aspects of it's communications with our fans, this has been picked up and we will be working on these areas over the coming weeks and months. As Willie said at the meeting, there is a very strong desire for everyone to be working together, towards the same common goals for our Club, it is evident that certain aspects of our current approach is building barriers rather than bridges, and we accept that the onus is on us to deal with this. Stewart We won't hear the same criticism coming from Miller and Calderwood to the fans in the future, I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Good performance at the AGM rocket Have you put your Clio in for a car wash yet? Milne gave some pretty reasonable answers that night, but I think he should stick to emailing as his voice sounds like a cat being skinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 Good performance at the AGM rocket Have you put your Clio in for a car wash yet? Milne gave some pretty reasonable answers that night, but I think he should stick to emailing as his voice sounds like a cat being skinned. Clio? Never had one in my puff. I just ordered a new 3.0 V6 pimpmobile yesterday actually, to replace the last ever 7 seater I will ever have to drive. Agree, Milne was good at the AGM, as was Miller after I interrupted the usual sneering pisch and got him to change his tune. This was my e-mail. Mr Milne, I am sorry that I raised my voice to such an extent during the AGM last night that your Director of Football had to tell me to stop shouting at him. You did say that you would be taking our comments on board, so allow me to clarify the issue, as Willie Miller is obviously completely unaware of the probem. The point the New Zealand guy was making - supported by others - was that the PR coming out of he club in recent years has been divisive, and that the continual references to us having unrealistic expectations is counter-productive. It has been seen by many fans as an excuse for under-performance. You will recall that Miller's first response was "What is realistic?", completely side-stepping the direct question and missing the point completely. He immediately took the defensive and was seeking to wriggle his way out of it until I stepped in and offered to go to a show of hands. To be fair to him, he showed humility by backing down, he even apologised if he had been misinterpreted, before going on to explain that we all want the same thing and should all be on the same side. However, it would not surprise me if he is still unaware of the depth of the problem. He is absolutely right when he says that he himself hasn't trotted out the "unrealistic expectations" line for a few months now, but why hasn't he had a word with Mr Calderwood, who continues to shoot himself in the foot on almost a weekly basis, whether on Radio Scotland or in the press? The reason why the crowds are down, whichever way he tried to spin it with Season Ticket sales etc, is not exclusively to do with the football. There is a significant number of Aberdeen fans that will not return in the meantime, having been sickened by the excuses, the blame game and the continuous references to the fans - for not supporting the team properly and for having unrealistic expectations. It is as if Miller and Calderwood have engaged a siege mentality and do not appreciate that the divisiveness that they have engineered - unwittingly, no doubt - has alienated a huge number of fans. Miller obviously learned a few months ago not to continue with this rubbish, but as Calderwood's boss, he should be having a word. Every time that Calderwood opens his gob and has a go at the Aberdeen fans, he drives more and more away. You are right to say that you are down to the real hardcore now. No-one else is prepared to pay their money to be insulted. Some believe that the continuous tinkering with formations and continually picking players who are in severe need of a boot up the arse is insulting in itself, but to blame the fans when things go wrong, and to attempt to explain a garbage performance by saying that we have unrealistic expectations makes the blood boil. Personally, I think that the football mistakes that our manager has made are fairly evident, but as the man in charge, he is free to make these decisions and will be judged on results. The mistakes he continues to make (the same ones Miller has made in the past) in relation to the PR however is not only embarrassing to him and the club, it's costing you money. This should not be new to you, and begs the question as regards how effective the lines of communication are between the club and its customers. This has been on-going for years, and for Lee Miller to come out with what he did in the P & J yesterday, suggests that they don't have a clue what the problem has been. Miller's unexpected show of humility and apology would also suggest that they are simply unaware. It is very difficult to support a manager and a Director of Football - whether we believe the team is under-perfoming or not - when we have to endure them directing some of their blame at us. If the stay-away Aberdeen fans believed that they (team and management) were genuinely working hard to pursue the same goals as them, I am sure that you will see the numbers return. For some however, this divisive PR has been going on for too long. Finally, thank you for your open-ness and honesty in your response to my question. Whilst I believe that you genuinely want the best for the business, you need to convince your customers that your football manager and Director of Football also want the best for the club. The arrogance of their stances, the continual pointing of the fingers of blame, and the many PR mistakes they have made over a long period of time, has suggested otherwise. There is a perception that they're not that effective as managers anyway, and are delighted just to be receiving a wage. As I said already, my personal view is that their competence or otherwise should be judged on results only. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 As I said already, my personal view is that their competence or otherwise should be judged on results only. You've changed your tune! In all seriousness though, it's a good letter and hard to argue with any of that. I sent a similar letter to Chris Gavin when he said he'd respond to all fans' emails. I'm still awaiting a response. Milne's reply to you is also good to see, and I'd certainly hope to see no more mention of this "unrealistic expectations" bullshit anymore. Of course, the clowns at Aberdeen Journals may well spin it that way regardless of what's actually been said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 You've changed your tune! No. Think about it. I couldn't say my real reasons i.e. I wasn't in favour of JC's appointment and it is of paramount importance to me that I get proved right in the end, thus validating my sad little life and Miller snubbed me once and I took this as a personal sleight for which he will never be forgiven, apparently. Changing tunes is not a bad thing. It just becomes less seismic with age, in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 No. Think about it. I couldn't say my real reasons i.e. I wasn't in favour of JC's appointment and it is of paramount importance to me that I get proved right in the end, thus validating my sad little life and Miller snubbed me once and I took this as a personal sleight for which he will never be forgiven, apparently. Changing tunes is not a bad thing. It just becomes less seismic with age, in my experience. Lighten up for fucks sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 Lighten up for fucks sake. Jeez. You missed it completely. You need to lighten up. Seriously. You do. I promised myself I wouldn't get involved again. I just can't handle internet forums. Frequenting with thinkers with one dimension, when there are actually three proven and four proposed by the string theorists, isn't adding value to my existence. Literal. Clitoral. Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Jeez. You missed it completely. You need to lighten up. Seriously. You do. I promised myself I wouldn't get involved again. I just can't handle internet forums. Frequenting with thinkers with one dimension, when there are actually three proven and four proposed by the string theorists, isn't adding value to my existence. Literal. Clitoral. Bye. By the sounds of things, you can't deal with life. Catch ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Clio? Never had one in my puff. I just ordered a new 3.0 V6 pimpmobile yesterday actually, to replace the last ever 7 seater I will ever have to drive. Wife and kids finally left then have they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 Wife and kids finally left then have they? Never been married. And forget kids. I can't get it up. Too much alcohol for too long. I just said I was married with kids to try and appear normal. At least I fooled you, so that is a result. I love the internet. And I hate it. I love me. I hate me. Eternal raging battles. Some you win. Some you win less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Nevermind, you'll always have..... You'll always be..... You're..... Nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Wife and kids finally left then have they? I'd doubt they'd get by the crazy paving out the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
??? Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Never been married. And forget kids. I can't get it up. Too much alcohol for too long. I just said I was married with kids to try and appear normal. At least I fooled you, so that is a result. I love the internet. And I hate it. I love me. I hate me. Eternal raging battles. Some you win. Some you win less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 For goodness gracious me sake, adamski. This thread was a serious one, and an expose of private communications affecting the club that we love, TNT PSV. You could have made a contribution to the main meat of the thread rather than concentrating on the peripherals. Boxes of toads contribute little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 contribute little. It's what he does best. After pouring liquids into a cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
??? Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 It's what he does best. Or I could post a thread asking if liquid just dries up, or if anyone knows why they carried a cross during crucifixions. That'd be much better, wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I'd recommend a Volkswagon, if only everything in life was as reliable. I hope it's more reliable than my 3 litre VW "pimp mobile" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 I liked your letter to Milne. I liked his response too. Never had a Clio? Nae fancy them? 3.0 PimpMobile? Is that what you'd recommend if ye sold cars? I'd recommend a Volkswagon, if only everything in life was as reliable. I hate VW's - sorry, Slim - but my mate was talking about gettng a 32 4motion today. They are so ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I hate VW's - sorry, Slim - but my mate was talking about gettng a 32 4motion today. They are so ugly. Better with a Scirrocco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 Better with a Scirrocco. You want to go down that route, I loved the Ford Capri. Before I could drive... natch. Alfasud and Capri poor options v. the Scirocco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 I'm nae "Slim" but... fit aboot an R32 ? That was the car, the only branded number in the Golf range. I have an irrational dislike for the shape of the Golf. The Mark IV was bad but the V was the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 NO WAY you're the real rocket... he'd have loved the Mark IV. You're an imposter, a fake, waiting to see this all go tits up, so you can be proved right We both know that your response is not of sufficiently high quality to be deserving of a response, but I have to ask. Call it depth-plumbing. Why would the real rocket love the Mark IV? He tells me that he has hated Golfs for ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket-fuel Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 You're right - he probably wouldn't You're wrong. I just spoke to him. He loves them. Even thought about buying one once. Got drunk instead though, as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 You want to go down that route, I loved the Ford Capri. Before I could drive... natch. Alfasud and Capri poor options v. the Scirocco. No, the new Scirocco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Or I could post a thread asking if liquid just dries up, or if anyone knows why they carried a cross during crucifixions. That'd be much better, wouldn't it? Seen as those two stirred conversation and the longest thread on this site was started by yours truly then yes, it would be much better than say the Roosterbooster thread that's been done to death, a thousand times, over the last 3 years. Unlike this beezer of yours: http://www.thedandies.co.uk/messageboard/index.php?topic=5966.0 But yet again you're adding nothing to yet another thread. Tell me, do you sit waiting for me to post with your hand on your clit and one eye on the wavey smilie? It certainly appears to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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