New boss needs his own thread.

My first thought is that he's not even wearing a suit in his unveiling photos in the official site. We have sartorial standards at AFC, you know.

I should add, Robinson is the first manager since McGhee that I would not argue for giving more time to see if they could come good. (Warnock doesn't count as he was merely here on holiday).

That's not meant as a reflection on Robinson the individual, but instead a concern about the downward trend towards mediocrity the club seems to find itself in, and an equal concern that continuing in this vein through the January window will only compound this and make it harder to reverse.

Maybe we can course correct without needing to remove Robinson, and I'd be delighted if this turned out to be the case. But current evidence would suggest he is not the type of manager we need to do so, and it may be more prudent to cut the cord now.

Best chance of him saving his skin feels nothing to do with what he or we do but how dog shit other teams are. Damning indictment

Can I change my vote?

Edit: Scratch that, can I help him pack his bags?

Edited Saturday at 19:375 days by Toe_poke

The 2 that voted stay gave perfectly reasonable answers why if not endorsing Robinson himself

Anne fucking Robinson would do better than this cunt

You are the weakest link- time to go

He's not surviving that

Admins, can we give out bans to those who voted for him to stay?

😁

The case for Robinson was having a team who will get stuck in be hard to beat and put up a fight. But we haven’t seen it, so time is up.

According to Graham Spiers it's all over for Robinson and the announcement will be either tonight, which given the time it is now seems unlikely, or tomorrow.

I'm sure he's a great guy and all, but he's way out of his depth managing us. Losing heavily at home to the bottom team in the league is untenable, and he has to go.

The approach with Robinson has been all wrong. Appointing a manager who’s never done better than st Mirren means you risk getting a st Mirren team. And when you then let the guy sign dross from Killie, Hibs, Leyton orient and other assorted shite, you confirm it.

We shouldn’t be touching managers from other Scottish teams unless they’re young and/or clearly on the way up, and the same goes for players. Ditto lower English league rot. Why am I watching absolute journeymen like Brad Lyons instead of Finlay Marshall? NGW rather than frame? Cadden ahead of Lobban? Ntelo and olusanya when young fasanya can’t be any worse and can only improve?

Id rather we filled the team with our own young players than most of these clowns, although ideally we’d actually just sign some decent players overall to suit the manager’s preferred formation and take it from there. Although that would also involve finding a manager with a preferred formation and who would pick a settled team and I don’t know if we’ll get one of those.

Edited Saturday at 22:445 days by wee toon red

1 hour ago, THFN1983 said:

According to Graham Spiers it's all over for Robinson and the announcement will be either tonight, which given the time it is now seems unlikely, or tomorrow.

https://www.patreon.com/pressbox/posts/end-for-stephen-174692310?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

23 minutes ago, wee toon red said:

Why am I watching absolute journeymen like Brad Lyons instead of Finlay Marshall? NGW rather than frame? Cadden ahead of Lobban? Ntelo and olusanya when young fasanya can’t be any worse and can only improve?

This 100% has to be one of the criteria for any new manager coming in. Play the youngsters. I think it’s the only way forward for us as a club anyway, signings are too hit and miss so let’s develop the guys we have.

3 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

He's not surviving that

Why not?

Goodwin survived Darvel.

There are zero standards at this club - absolutely none…

Seen a few social media posts suggesting there’s no announcement coming anytime soon 👎

13 hours ago, The.Moog said:

Why not?

Goodwin survived Darvel.

There are zero standards at this club - absolutely none…

We are apparently going to take our time and do a review during the international break

I will read that to mean that we have no clue who we want to appoint and Robinsons lawyers have red lined the bit in the contract that states early termination shall result in full payout of remaining term plus a lump for agreed % of win bonuses

For avoidance of doubt I have no idea what is in his contract but as we were in a shit negotiating position after the Horneland fiasco, pretty sure he is holding all the cards

Unless his agent is as shite at his job as he is

16 minutes ago, 2stars said:

We are apparently going to take our time and do a review during the international break

I will read that to mean that we have no clue who we want to appoint and Robinsons lawyers have red lined the bit in the contract that states early termination shall result in full payout of remaining term plus a lump for agreed % of win bonuses

For avoidance of doubt I have no idea what is in his contract but as we were in a shit negotiating position after the Horneland fiasco, pretty sure he is holding all the cards

Unless his agent is as shite at his job as he is

I think it's not unusual for things to take a bit of time. Anyone who's dealt with solicitors and contracts will know the score. Sometimes it'll be straight forward if the manager has integrity and is easy to deal with (see Goodwin), other times it can be a battle. There's also not an immediate hurry, and the club might want to wait until closer to January for a new manager to come in so that they aren't lumbered with the shite side for too long before they can make changes, resulting in the new man starting with negativity that is difficult to shake. Obviously there's a line there somewhere, but a month's wait for a manager wouldn't be too bad.

That said, if Killie get absolutely horsed today, and McCann dispatched, then we could offer him to them on a free transfer, perfect for all parties. Robinson will likely fancy it, given they managed to offload a lot of their shite like Mayo and Lyons in the summer.

18 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

I think it's not unusual for things to take a bit of time. Anyone who's dealt with solicitors and contracts will know the score. Sometimes it'll be straight forward if the manager has integrity and is easy to deal with (see Goodwin), other times it can be a battle. There's also not an immediate hurry, and the club might want to wait until closer to January for a new manager to come in so that they aren't lumbered with the shite side for too long before they can make changes, resulting in the new man starting with negativity that is difficult to shake. Obviously there's a line there somewhere, but a month's wait for a manager wouldn't be too bad.

That said, if Killie get absolutely horsed today, and McCann dispatched, then we could offer him to them on a free transfer, perfect for all parties. Robinson will likely fancy it, given they managed to offload a lot of their shite like Mayo and Lyons in the summer.

I think we all felt before the last appointment that getting it right was more important than the time but we then panicked and appointed Robinson

I agree a month isn’t a long time to wait on a new appointment but concern is what further damage will be done if we don’t remove him quickly

If they want to talk to him about the terms of the pay off first then fair enough- maybe can challenge the authenticity of his cv around the bit around playing pressing, attacking football

I just want him gone

1 hour ago, 2stars said:

We are apparently going to take our time and do a review during the international break

I will read that to mean that we have no clue who we want to appoint and Robinsons lawyers have red lined the bit in the contract that states early termination shall result in full payout of remaining term plus a lump for agreed % of win bonuses

For avoidance of doubt I have no idea what is in his contract but as we were in a shit negotiating position after the Horneland fiasco, pretty sure he is holding all the cards

Unless his agent is as shite at his job as he is

% of win bonuses won’t cost the club too much.

1 hour ago, 2stars said:

We are apparently going to take our time and do a review during the international break

Meaning they have absolutely no idea who is going to replace him.

The best case scenario is he’s fired today and a new guy who they’ve been sounding out for at least several weeks since the big red flags really went up about the current dud is put in place this week.

But its the AFC board we’re talking about so zero chance this happens.

So scrabbling about in the dark with a lame duck dead man walking manager for a good while yet it’s almost certain to be…

1 hour ago, 2stars said:

I think we all felt before the last appointment that getting it right was more important than the time but we then panicked and appointed Robinson

I agree a month isn’t a long time to wait on a new appointment but concern is what further damage will be done if we don’t remove him quickly

If they want to talk to him about the terms of the pay off first then fair enough- maybe can challenge the authenticity of his cv around the bit around playing pressing, attacking football

I just want him gone

Aye, I meant a month to appoint the new guy. Maybe a week to get rid of Robinson, to ensure all the admin is done and we get the best deal. Things aren't going to change for Robinson by keeping him now.

31 minutes ago, The.Moog said:

Meaning they have absolutely no idea who is going to replace him.

The best case scenario is he’s fired today and a new guy who they’ve been sounding out for at least several weeks since the big red flags really went up about the current dud is put in place this week.

But its the AFC board we’re talking about so zero chance this happens.

So scrabbling about in the dark with a lame duck dead man walking manager for a good while yet it’s almost certain to be…

I don't think it's that simple. We'd clearly been sounding out managers prior to Thelin leaving, but none wanted to commit to us, preferring to wait until summer to see if better offers came. Until we've actually got someone in the door, whether it be a player or a manager, promises and half commitments are useless. Usually the guys that we can get in quickly are guys like Robinson who will jump at the opportunity because we are the best we can do. Guys that we will get the fans excited, less so!

I didn’t say it was simple, I said its the best case scenario.

We’ve become less and less attractive a proposition for a decent manager as the years go by.

In addition they’ll have been scarred by the absolute debacle they made of replacing Thelin.

So they don’t know whether to stick or twist.

Until they know exactly who they want, & that they can get him, none of the other options is great - stick with Robinson or go with an open ended interim again. Its an absolute shit show.

Only difference here to last time is Bevington. Ok I know Lutz is supposed to have the remit re manager appointment, but it would be a dereliction of duty if we weren’t dipping into his network and little black book of contacts

4-0 Falkirk now and not even HT. That’s a well coached team. I’d like one of them too…

4 minutes ago, The.Moog said:

I didn’t say it was simple, I said its the best case scenario.

We’ve become less and less attractive a proposition for a decent manager as the years go by.

In addition they’ll have been scarred by the absolute debacle they made of replacing Thelin.

So they don’t know whether to stick or twist.

Until they know exactly who they want, & that they can get him, none of the other options is great - stick with Robinson or go with an open ended interim again. Its an absolute shit show.

Only difference here to last time is Bevington. Ok I know Lutz is supposed to have the remit re manager appointment, but it would be a dereliction of duty if we weren’t dipping into his network and little black book of contacts

4-0 Falkirk now and not even HT. That’s a well coached team. I’d like one of them too…

I hope we're not dipping into anyone's contacts book. That's almost certainly how we got Robinson. I'm hoping that between Bevington and Lutz, they have a process for identifying managers and an idea of what it is in a manager that they are looking for. I want to know that we've got a guy at the club who can see something in managers. In a year's time when we inevitably fire the next guy, I don't want us going back to his now out of date contact book to find another.

We clearly went for and got Robinson because of Burrows black book - though I think it only had one name in it - so I can understand a reluctance to repeat that process.

Bevington is on a whole different level to Burrows though as to where he’s operated. The network he must have will be light years superior.

Agree that they should have a blue print of what they want in a manager, but a network like his should be able to help in identifying, sounding out, or getting feedback on potential candidates to meet that blue print.

To not leverage that would be daft.

Or we could just go get the guy who’s now 5-0 up at Tynecastle - there is that option…

8 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Aye, I meant a month to appoint the new guy. Maybe a week to get rid of Robinson, to ensure all the admin is done and we get the best deal. Things aren't going to change for Robinson by keeping him now.

And Robinson himself must surely know this. The only way he could realistically be in charge with any credibility come Kilmarnock away is if the board come out and publically back him and I just don't think that's feasible after Saturday.