Rangers v Aberdeen

[OrlandoDon]

20 minutes ago, Panda said:

We're fine. We're actually missing Jensen pushing forward from right back. We can get in behind Rangers' high line if we put a few more quicker balls in, Devlin has actually slowed it down.

But think Rangers have had one shot on target, and from long range. 

 

We are not fine at all. Rangers are a shit team who haven’t won at home in 7. Down 2-0 now because we gave them a half to settle, dominate, and get confidence. We could get a doing here and fuck any confidence we have for Wednesday and the cup final. Piss poor approach against a piss poor team. 

[wee toon red]

Very much missing Dorrington, Tobers looks like a man who hasn’t played in weeks and it’s upset the whole back line.

[Panda]

I hate to say it, but Barron is doing everything that no-one in our midfield is doing. Tracking every run. We've been too stationary in midfield and easy passes have got them in behind us.

[OrlandoDon]

100% agree with cowan and the mental fatigue/weakness. We are not a mentally tough team and that has to be addressed in the summer.

[OrlandoDon]

Rangers have pressed us all game and given us little time on the ball and we give it away endlessly. On the other hand, they seem to have endless time on the ball. 

[OrlandoDon]

5 minutes ago, wee toon red said:

Very much missing Dorrington, Tobers looks like a man who hasn’t played in weeks and it’s upset the whole back line.

That’s an easy blame but it’s more than that. Tobers looks match unfit but who is taking command in midfield. We’re getting overrun, and I say that right as Milne should score. As mentioned, we don’t have a Connor Barron like sivert may do, who will dictate the game.

3 now.

[OrlandoDon]

Switched off, not watching now. We beat ourselves against a team that have been shit at home. Very disappointing but first half not playing to win killed us. 

[Panda]

We've missed five massive chances in this game (two from Keskinen, two from Gueye, one from Polvara). Any of them go in and this is a different game.

Yet here we are 3-0 down.

Just haven't pressed them enough in the right areas. All three goals conceded been too easy.

[OrlandoDon]

10 minutes ago, Panda said:

We've missed five massive chances in this game (two from Keskinen, two from Gueye, one from Polvara). Any of them go in and this is a different game.

Yet here we are 3-0 down.

Just haven't pressed them enough in the right areas. All three goals conceded been too easy.

And had we tried to win the game instead of letting rangers dominate and get confidence, we create a ton more chances, knock down a poor team, score goals, and win.

[Kowalski]

Could be a cricket score in the cup final. 

[Jute]

Anyone leaving the pub on the 24th needs their head looking at. 

[Jute]

To put that doing into context that is their first home win since the start of February. We got beaten 4-0 by a team managed by Barry “almost relegated Clyde” Ferguson. Abysmal performance. 

[OrlandoDon]

Easy to say now but thought we got center mid totally wrong today. We needed to be up for this game and McGrath polvara and Clarkson are all nice players. No drive or bite from deep. Perfect game for palaversa or sivert (obviously injured), if polvara starts it has to be at 10 ahead of Clarkson and palaversa.

Thought McGrath was a waste of a jersey today. Okkels again showed we shouldn’t be buying him, although I do think that decision has been made, gave it away endlessly before being subbed. Topi was topi, worked hard but also gave the ball away most of the time. midfield has very poor, no real cohesion or ball movement, no bite, physicality, or desire to be aggressive, hence we were second best all day.
as I said earlier, we were shite and created quite a few chances. What if we’d tried to dictate and dominate from the start? We got the approach totally wrong and gave a terrible team so much respect and time, that we gave them time and confidence to grow into the game. Dont think any other team in the league does that vs rangers. Absolutely got what we deserved.

big game for our player of the year. Where was he??? Absolute joke he got that award.

totally willing to give JT time but our management team needs a fiery coach. Far too passive in our approach yet again and that comes from preparation and leadership. They don’t have the bite and neither does our team. JT still hasn’t learned Scottish football and needs to wise up.

Edited May 11 by OrlandoDon

[redordead]

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

100% agree with cowan and the mental fatigue/weakness. We are not a mentally tough team and that has to be addressed in the summer.

This is why we need a nilsen

[redordead]

 Character is the big word. We need some proper leaders to come in this summer.

I know I'll get shinnie is amazing flack but we drew from 2-0 up against ten men last time and got pumped today. 

We need guys that are there to win and know how to roll their sleeves up when they have to. .

Today highlights why I won't miss McGrath. Totally over rated. He disappears when it matters. Good luck to Hibs getting any more out of him.  

[Panda]

32 minutes ago, Jute said:

To put that doing into context that is their first home win since the start of February. We got beaten 4-0 by a team managed by Barry “almost relegated Clyde” Ferguson. Abysmal performance. 

And to put it into another context, we got beaten by a team that won at Parkhead, were in the Europa League quarters, and who drew with Celtic last week.

Not defending the goals we lost (just like our defence ) but let's not pretend we've just lost to a lower league side here.

[Panda]

19 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Perfect game for palaversa or sivert (obviously injured),

 

15 minutes ago, redordead said:

This is why we need a nilsen

Our issue was we were too slow to close down and cut out passes. We needed someone energetic in there. Nilsen wouldn't have sold that problem and we've had plenty of games with him in midfield and teams have played around him (a notable example being the last time we were at Ibrox).

[OrlandoDon]

38 minutes ago, Panda said:

 

Our issue was we were too slow to close down and cut out passes. We needed someone energetic in there. Nilsen wouldn't have sold that problem and we've had plenty of games with him in midfield and teams have played around him (a notable example being the last time we were at Ibrox).

Sivert wasn’t the solution but he’d have added a presence we severely lacked. His lack of pace and mobility would have hurt us. I also think he and Clarkson struggle to play together, get in each others way when Clarkson drops for the ball. Plus he’s almost 34!

[OrlandoDon]

44 minutes ago, redordead said:

 Character is the big word. We need some proper leaders to come in this summer.

I know I'll get shinnie is amazing flack but we drew from 2-0 up against ten men last time and got pumped today. 

We need guys that are there to win and know how to roll their sleeves up when they have to. .

Today highlights why I won't miss McGrath. Totally over rated. He disappears when it matters. Good luck to Hibs getting any more out of him.  

Terrible comparison but look at the approach a Fergie team took to coming to Glasgow. They were there to be beaten today.

[RicoS321]

31 minutes ago, Panda said:

 

Our issue was we were too slow to close down and cut out passes. We needed someone energetic in there. Nilsen wouldn't have sold that problem and we've had plenty of games with him in midfield and teams have played around him (a notable example being the last time we were at Ibrox).

Aye, I think you're right. The problem was legs in the middle today (I only saw the second half). Shinnie would have done better in there. Palaversa would have done okay for 45 minutes probably, but it's a new signing we likely need. I thought overall we just looked really tired. We started the season full of energy and ran ourselves into the ground, we had our second wind at the turn of the year(ish), and now we're out of steam again. A couple of injuries and a lack of momentum and we struggle. As soon as the first goal went in it was obviously game over. We really missed Dorrington today, who's partnership with Knoester has been very good for the most part. Tobers was miles off it. Why on earth he didn't read the first goal and come across to allow Knoester to move across I don't know. He was all over the shop for the second too. I'd be tempted to start Milne ahead of him until he regains sharpness. Devlin didn't look great, but then neither did Jensen when he came on. As everyone else has said though, the game passed us by in midfield. I disagree that we need someone with bite or whatever, we need somebody that is fit and athletic. Lewis Ferguson and Ramadani both excelled due to their athleticism, rather than their nastiness. Clarkson, Polvara and McGrath struggled because they don't do the miles. It's a bad combination for that reason. 

[Panda]

2 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

 I disagree that we need someone with bite or whatever, we need somebody that is fit and athletic. Lewis Ferguson and Ramadani both excelled due to their athleticism, rather than their nastiness. Clarkson, Polvara and McGrath struggled because they don't do the miles. It's a bad combination for that reason. 

This bit is spot on.

 

[RicoS321]

21 minutes ago, Panda said:

This bit is spot on.

 

Yes it is!

A good illustration would be Shinnie himself. The accusation when he has an off spell is that his legs have gone. It's never that he's lost his bite or is shirking challenges or not trying. It's a tacit acknowledgement that what makes Shinnie's game is his ability to be in attack one minute, and the last man back in the next. I remember Johnny Hayes playing in midfield for us against Jim Goodwin, and absolutely destroying him the entire game. Goodwin's nastiness and bite couldn't get near him. In my opinion, what we're actually looking for in a midfielder is relentlessness. Phillips for St Mirren - formerly of us - showed exactly that last week. Whilst I think he lacks quality, he did, on numerous occasions, show that commitment and fitness for us, and it definitely added something in those games where the opponent is better and expected to have more of the ball. I'm not suggesting we sign him again, of course, just using him to illustrate. 

[OrlandoDon]

18 minutes ago, Panda said:

This bit is spot on.

 

We absolutely need someone with bite. Polvara is a good athlete.  We had three guys in midfield today who dont play on the front foot and can’t win a tackle. Ferguson and ramadani were great, but both had bite and physicality. We had three fairies in there today, who can all play well with a good physical partner.

[OrlandoDon]

7 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Yes it is!

A good illustration would be Shinnie himself. The accusation when he has an off spell is that his legs have gone. It's never that he's lost his bite or is shirking challenges or not trying. It's a tacit acknowledgement that what makes Shinnie's game is his ability to be in attack one minute, and the last man back in the next. I remember Johnny Hayes playing in midfield for us against Jim Goodwin, and absolutely destroying him the entire game. Goodwin's nastiness and bite couldn't get near him. In my opinion, what we're actually looking for in a midfielder is relentlessness. Phillips for St Mirren - formerly of us - showed exactly that last week. Whilst I think he lacks quality, he did, on numerous occasions, show that commitment and fitness for us, and it definitely added something in those games where the opponent is better and expected to have more of the ball. I'm not suggesting we sign him again, of course, just using him to illustrate. 

Phillips is a good example, maybe a poor man’s Rama. Plays on the front foot with bite, good athlete with engine. Polvara on roids.

[Jute]

6 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Phillips is a good example, maybe a poor man’s Rama. Plays on the front foot with bite, good athlete with engine. Polvara on roids.

A very very very poor mans Ramadani.