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An interesting quote below from....well we'll come to that......

 

‘There is no plan B…’.

 

Yule is conveniently forgetting that the club are already on Plan C.  Bellfield, Loirston and now Kingsford.  We have heard this rhetoric all before.  The end of AFC is nigh blah blah blah if the club don’t get a new stadium.  They have been saying that for the past 17 years and they are still going strong.  There’s maybe no Plan B for George as he might get fired if he doesn’t get this one through!  It is clear for anyone with a modicum of sense that what  AFC are doing is simply applying pressure to  the Councillors via the press. 

 

‘There simply aren’t 30 acres of unzoned land available, so we can’t go anywhere else than Kingsford’.

 

He seems to be conveniently overlooking the sites that have been identified in the Local Development Plan – Kings Links and Loirston.  The  club’s unwillingness to separate the training facilities and stadium is the problem, not the availability of land.

 

Now again, I question the legitimacy of 100%AKS. Note the very similar rhetoric to what we've seen here, very similar.

 

Now, maybe, just maybe, 100%AKS isn't Charlie/Heather, but considering the arguments he's spouting here are almost verbatim to the above, and yet he claims to not eveen know the name of the nimby group, well I'll let everyone else decide.

 

Here's who wrote it.... (in white, it's a surprise - click on the line)

http://www.nokingsfordstadium.org.uk/2017/03/29/fact-checking-afcs-george-yule-what-the-evening-express-should-have-done/

 

 

Getting boring now mate.

 

Milne and Yule have on various occasions stated that the club is going to 'die' if stadiums fails.

You just provided three quotes that didn't back this up. Have you got even one link to back up these "various occasions"?

 

Also, for the n-th time - got some evidence for these places the council have offered for a stadium yet?

The club, however, have chosen to progress with an alternative site as basically they do not want to pay for land especially paying the council.

*****NEWSFLASH****

 

KINGSFORD ISN'T FREE

Interesting.  I've not been overly impressed by him in the games i've seen him play against us since we failed to sign him last time.  Also wish we'd stop signing caley players!

They've been rubbish eh? 

Mr 100%AKS.

 

As someone *not* from Westhill, nor part of the w.a.n.k.s group apparently, can you explain why, after such a ranting defence of Pittodrie redevelopment, and similarly anti-Kingsford, you're apparently perfectly happy with going back to Loirston?

Anyone remember Seinfeld and 'George' and his imaginary House in the Hamptons?

 

Delusion that he has some fancy place but in reality he has been lying about his finances for years.  Everyone calls his bluff until he finally breaks down in tears and admits its all a myth.  But everyone knew that anyway and nobody was fooled.

 

So this analogy is you, and the land you claim the Aberdeen city council have repeatedly offered to AFC for a stadium, correct?

Love this thread.

 

Anyone that disagrees with the resident virtual-clique gets accused of being a specific member / person from Non Kingsford Campaign or whatever they are called.

 

Let me get this right - George Yule is responsible for Aberdeen FC being in the great condition it is in at the moment?

 

Is that right?

The reason you stand accused of that, is two-fold (and as others have pointed out, just by me, unless one person can be a clique?).

 

1. Despite apparently being a Dons fan for over 50 years, only now are you joining a forum despite them being around for near 20 years, and not a single one of your posts is about the club (I fully now expect a token football post to appear). You'll understand that smells a bit, especially when you weren't equally concerned to rant on forums when the far worse option of Loriston was on the table.

 

2. Partly because on the above, I'm rather suspicious, and your style is very similar to that of one of the biggest gobshites in the 'no' campaign, not just on social media, but via an email exchange that occurred during Feb/March. Very similar.

 

 

But, now there's a third (in bold). For someone so vocifeous in their opposition to the stadium, and as such a long standing Dons fan, you now want us to believe you don't know what the opposition group is actually called? The group that is all over social media, all over the press, and mentioned numerous times on this thread. You want us to believe you have nothing to do with them? Ridiculous.

 

Now, for the umpteenth time, where are these plots of land that the council have offered to AFC that you keep alluding to but never specifying?

 

Is that related?

 

Our improved fortunes on the pitch and financially are solely down to Derek McInnes...and the mysterious donation from the Donald's.

 

The stadium is in a worse state than ever before and a match was abandoned only a few months ago. No training base after 5 years....what am I missing? Add in a stadium application which so far has been rejected by about 7 consultees.

Yes it's related. When did our more professional approach begin? When did we start to attract investment, like, as you say, WmDonald? When did our merchandising improve?

 

The abandoned match was down to the archaic sub station that services Pittodrie, so you're blaming an external event on George Yule, but the run of improvements which he has a hand in not on him. Incredible.

Looks ok in first pic, has humungous boat-feet in the last. Gads. A no from the Logie jury

 

- The Council have offered land, and identified locations - the club have ignored it.

For the umpteenth time, care to name some, just one would do for now to be going on with?

Hold on.

 

ACC have on several occasions tried to play ball with AFC as regards stadiums and sites for new stadiums.  Countless times.

Utterly false, council did nothing for Bellfield, made no offers surrounding land at the Links, and actively scuppered Loirston once the administration changed

 

Aberdeen FC simply do not want to play ball for whatever political reasons.

What political reasons? this is utter fantasy, they want a new stadium. See previous answer

 

 

 

 

One of the clear economic reasons is that they do not want to have to pay Council for land.  The Council are desperate for cash - dying for funds and they have masses of land available far bigger than Kingsford.

Where? You've been asked this already and ignored the question several times.

 

Just for accuracy, you realise Kingsford is being bought off the Piries right? it's not some sort of freebie!

 

 

 

Its so political this whole context its incredible.

Yes, you've said, there's nothing to support this at all.

 

 

They (AFC) want to make money out of selling land (Pittodrie) but they don't want to have to pay for land.

They want to part finance new stadium by selling - correct. They ARE paying the Pirie brothers for Kingsford, again, it's not free!

 

 

One of the big problems with this whole 'new stadium' conundrum (may I remind you this all goes back to 1999) is that Aberdeen have a political agenda to move from Pittodrie at all costs for a 'House in the Hamptons'.

Why is moving political? what is this rambling nonsense?

 

 

 

The club have REFUSED to collaborate with just about anyone other than potential private investors.

Name one. Who are these private investors? Who's offered collaboration on what? 

 

 

However, collaboration should have been at the CENTRE of the Kingsford concept instead what they have done is rode slipshod over just about every local and regional planning policy, ignored fact that proper road and transport plans need to be in place and embarked on a political propaganda campaign that has alienated the community and Council surrounding the plans and angered lots of lifelong fans but calling us 'sentimental'.

The plans are not approved, so there's no evidence yet of "riding roughshod", what they have done is consulted widely, including three public meetings in Kingswells/Westhills, and one at Pittodrie.

 

The "community" of Westhill and surrounds is far from alienated, plenty of us support the proposal, however the w.a.n.k.s. have obstructed, shouted down, and blocked anyone who dares not agree with their nimbyism.

 

"sentimental" was only rolled out this week, so dinna come the cunt with that one.

 

"political propoganda campaign" - what total drivel. There are for and against politicians from every party except the greens who I think are all against this. So who exactly is this "political propaganda" targetting?

 

 

Even if this gets approved by ACC the word mentioned was Holyrood might get called in - with a veto.

In your "NO" meetings?

 

 

What they hell does George Yule know about stadiums? what is his expertise in football ground development?  I can tell him his plans for my club are basically shi*e - amateurish, cheap and nasty crap.

You realise he's not the architect? You are one I presume?

 

You admit the Dons have come on leaps and bounds since George came on board I presume?

 

 

 

Everyone knows Pittodrie is past its sell by date currently.  But its past its sell by date and the pitch is terrible as the club have made every effort to make it crap by cutting off funding streams.

What are these funding streams?

 

 

Pittodrie could have been developed piece by piece just like every other club have done years ago.  The club could be in a training ground now but they have chosen not to as the strategic direction they want to take is move from Pittodrie at all costs.

That's fair comment, but it's too late now eh? So guess fit, we'll have to move on.

 

 

As regards this 'sentimental' argument.  WTF?  Following your club is a sentimental thing - yes!  Comments like that just show how out of touch George Yule and the people who run the club are with its fans.

Not what he said, he said the habits of going to a certain part of town, and attachment to a set of bricks and mortar are sentimental.

 

Nothing to do with supporting the club!

 

Moving to Kingsford will entail masses of debt - a mortgage of what £30m?

Likely yes, though staying at the links will mean an even bigger borrowing.

 

Would you be remotely interested in independence if it meant we were also out of the EU?

 

Is Norway an independent country?

i've supported independence my entire life.

Perhaps however the Tories in Scotland are growing in strength thanks to the unellectable Labour Party and the somewhat incompetent SNP.  There are many people who feel the SNP are treating large sections of Scotland as second class citizens.

 

Who are being treated as second class? That seems a bizarre suggestion; as is SNP incompetence.

 

 

 

 

 

Leave the UK just to join the EU? How is that independent?

EU is a trading and free travel block, where our representatives get votes that count.

 

UK is a rapacious swallower of resources that gives us no say in our daily affairs.

Well, obviously you are entitled to your opinion but I think it's a shitehole.

Agreed, horrible smelly fuck of a place.

In the updated local development plan it still has Loirston as a site available to build the stadium on. That and Kings Links are the two areas earmarked in the LDP.

Disingenuous......

 

"The local Development Plan identifies land at Calder Park (Opportunity Site OP80)

for a new stadium and sports facilities for Cove Rangers Football Club (CRFC). A

detailed planning application for the above proposal was submitted jointly by

CRFC and Aberdeen Football Club (AFC) in August 2011 and was approved by the

Council’s Development Management Sub Committee in January 2012. ACC have

subsequently taken control of the land at Calder Park previously leased to CRFC

and have issued a refusal of Landlord’s Consent for the revised development

proposals on the site, although there is an ongoing commitment to assist with

the club relocation. The proposed sharing of training facilities between CRFC and

AFC is therefore no longer possible and a final decision by AFC on the future

of their proposals is unknown at this time. For the purposes of this Framework,

it is assumed that proposals for each club will proceed in a similar form, albeit

without shared facilities. It is assumed however that any revised proposals for the

relocation of CRFC will require the provision of community facilities at Calder Park

which may be utilised by the existing communities at Cove, Nigg and Kincorth and

the proposed adjoining community at Loirston"

 

ie. It's a deid duck

It doesn't prove any point. That was my point. There is no proof from 100% AK at all (unless they come back with the leaked evidence of poisonous landfill or the council offering land), as that spiel was sentimental bollocks.

Erm yes, exactly the/my point. Yule said the main arguments not for moving were sentimental, you (maybe it wasn't you?) said that no-one had a sentimental argument, even though this thread has been filled with it, and even as you were typing that, '100% W.A.N.K.S' ringleader came back with a load of sentimental bollocks.

It isn't though, is it? I just gave you two good examples that are lacking transparency. There's nothing sentimental about either of those positions. Neither is there anything sentimental when saying that we should be in the city, and not way out in the country. That is obviously just good business - putting your business closer to the population centre (it's arguable of course, but not sentimental).

 

That was what my point was. Yule brings up sentimentality in response to non-sentimental questions. For every accusation of sentimentality, there are far, far more calls for us "to come together" and "move on" and so on (i.e. sentimental bollocks). Just take a casual glance at a Pittodrie press release or a DST one. Each side of that argument presents no fact and poses no questions, so they're equally sentimental and equally bullshit.

Sadly Rico, just as you're typing this, Heather/Charlie comes back with the biggest pile of sentimental poop, proving the point.

That was kinda my point. The training ground is a priority and a necessity. Should the stadium fall through (and by this I mean when all appeals have been exhausted) then surely plan B is to either re-submit at Kingsford with just the training ground, or look to the land at Loirston where they have permission to build.

Not any more they don't.

 

Absolute patronising pish from Yule. It is nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with lack of transparency and the simple fact that a lot of folk do not believe a chairman who has spent near on 20 years promoting a vision that most folk didn't agree with until very recently.

It is almost entirely everything about sentimentality. Do you want me to dig up the quotes from this thread alone? It's all about "Pittodrie's our home", "we should be in the city", we shouldn't be away out in the country" etc etc. That is exactly what he's on about.

George Yule stating they have no plan B, but that must be the club simply trying to put more pressure on the council. I'm convinced the club will have a plan B in place.

Why? Why would you waste money on something you don't want?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aberdeen-chief-george-yule-dismisses-10113194

There's Hazlehead roundabout then one for those coming off Lang Stracht then the one for Kingswells?

I rather assumed he meant hazelehad straight.  You don't touch the lang Stracht roundabout coming from.hazelehead. 

 

The only roundabout you go through is the four mile kne (plus the temporary one)

Wow, this.....

 

"Theresa May says Britain is a kind and generous country that never turns its back on those in need..."

 

All perception whether for or against Kingsford.

 

Quick look on planning site - selected list of issues with the plans and problems ACC Transport/roads identified:

 

Plan Lacks detail

Lacks impartiality in assessment (no methodology used)

No split assessments of travel plans of fans (Big games v small games)

Too many assumptions

No detail of eastern access by foot

Cyclist access provision queried and questioned

Pedestrian safety queried

Need transport management plan before planning consent is granted.

Need pick up points identified in city centre for shuttle buses

No drop off points post match identified

 

etc etc etc

 

There are also lots of technical queries.

i've lost faith in your obvious self-confidence since your failure to count one roundabout between Hazelhead and Kingsford correctly.