HaarDon

1 hour ago, BigAl said:

St Mirren fans on P&B resigned to him leaving but certainly don't want Kennedy or one of our "cast offs" in return.

Fussy bastards!!

35 minutes ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

Funny you should say that.  Just been reading up on this and apparently he had offers from Juventus, Valencia, Dortmund and Man City.  Turns out he opted for the Dons due to his love for butteries, Irn Bru, shortbread and freezing temperatures.  Seemingly likes a buttery cut in half with bacon in the middle 

Exactly!

Thanks Goldie 

Yeah some brilliant song writing and scores in it.

Not a huge Musicals fan but you have to appreciate genuis.

I'd like to know out of interest what offers he had from other European clubs.

5 hours ago, Goldie03 said:

I've seen West Side Story and Liquorice Pizza in the last week both decent  

The original West Side Story is very dated and cheesy but the music from it is brilliant and very emotive.

Bernstein was a genius!

Would like to see the new one.

49 minutes ago, manc_don said:

Sceptical about this one but I suppose we were all moaning about McInnes not looking beyond the British isles, so intrigued to see what this provides. So far, cormack is 1-2 in terms of successful yank imports to duds so pressure isn’t quite on but given the Hernandez saga does add to it. Wonder when we’ll see some significant movement out of the club. 

Yeah but next we'll be looking at Samoa's kindergarten because Fala, aged 3 scored a hat-trick whilst licking an ice cream.

Hope he's hit his peak.

Just hope this transfer window is our best in years.

Would it be that hard?

^^^COVID is horrible but the chances of catching it and having severe complications are very slim. 

Really?

Tell that to all the relatives of the 5.3 million who have died from it or were all those car crashes?

I've heard or read about people throughout my decades who died or had health problems after taking aspirin, alka seltzer, had side effects, were allergic to certain medications, had heart attacks from pills, etc etc.

We all know this happens. Unfortunately it's a part of life that there will be adverse reactions to medicine.

Some people will die after getting behind a wheel of a car. Some surfers will get bitten by sharks. Some workmen will fall from ladders.Some people will choke on oysters.Some fisherman will drown at sea.

The list is endless.

Will you ever swim again or drive again?

I havnt heard anyone ever say after being interviewed that they are genuinely frightened of getting a tested vaccine that's proven to be extremely successful.

It's always been about anger that their freedoms have been taken away or something religious as manc said before.

It's utter bollocks and people just jumping on a wobbly bandwagon. Look at me I'm different.

Like conspiracy theorists...full of shit.

Are you expecting in years to come that all our legs will drop off or we will all have heart attacks or something?

What can possibly happen to your body after weeks, months or years having got the vaccine which has been approved by the WHO and tons of leading, brilliant scientists?

Experts have been stated that blood clots can occur from getting covid if unvaccinated!

Blood clots can occur from numerous different types of medicine.

If you have genuine existing health problems then don't get the vaccine but otherwise everyone should get it or they're just being awkward because their friend said something or a group they're in did.

Sounds like the old firm support when you ask them why they hate the 'other' sides supporters.

Zero argument except a hated response.

It's not about whether you're intelligent or not either. It's whether you want to get past your propaganda fears and get back yo some sort of normality.

Also Djokovic is a dickhead!

Apart from being an attention seeker, he's a selfish bastard too.

He's unvaxxed yet travelling internationally and thinks he can just enter Australia because Tennis Australia allowed him to play in the tournament.

Genuine medical conditions my arse. That doesn't seem to bother him when he's partying with hundreds does it?

1 hour ago, Slim said:

Dundee United have just signed a Finnish (he’s only 27) international keeper, I would imagine they wouldn’t be signing Clark also.

Good!

Should be easier to score a goal against him then.

8 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Can't help but think that your selective quoting there has made you miss Rico's point 

?

7 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

An anti vaccer equivalent might be those people who fly halfway across the world to visit family and friends. They'll (or you'll) be the ones that your government take the opportunity to demonise to hide their own failures.

Why?

If I'm double vaxxed or even have a booster and self isolate when I return then I'm doing the right thing.

54 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Yes, it is demonstrably bollocks. Putting a figure on the number of people to be vaccinated before allowing travel, removing restrictions etc. is a political decision not backed by any science. At one point I heard an Australian politician say that they wouldn't open up parts of society until 90% vaccination had been reached (they were in the high 80s). Where's the justification for that figure? It's arbitrary. 

I think the Australian/NZ approach has been by in large excellent, and it shows in both their low number of deaths and economic performance. However, beyond the drive to get the majority of people vaccinated, what happens after is overtly political, demonising and clear in the language being used by you and haardon. I find it strange that you show sympathy with LA don, yet show such lack of compassion when discussing people who haven't been vaccinated as a whole. The number of people who are actually "anti vaccers" is exceptionally small. The overwhelming majority of people unvaccinated in both our countries are like LA Don, who have clearly expressed doubts and fears. They don't fit nicely into a box, that can be labelled "them" and dealt with in one way manner. They are not killing millions, spreading a disease that would be otherwise unspreadable or preventing people from seeing loved ones (the latter is entirely a government decision). 

Your language is something we've seen before, and that's why I have issue with it. In the UK, after the banks and the country's wealthy utterly destroyed our fictional economy, the blame was quickly shifted to the scroungers (not those bailed out by hundreds of billions of printed money I should add). Every tabloid was brought to the cause as the government labelled everyone on benefits a scrounger. Call me Dave Cameron could be heard in every single speech saying "hard working British families", by implication: the scroungers were lazy, feckless, scum. It was, and still is, indoctrinated into the public. When asked about the number of people on benefits gaming the system, the British public all thought the figures were between 30-50%, when in reality they were between 1-2%. They fell for the propaganda. The stigma of claiming benefits (a large percentage of claimants are in work) is very obvious today because language matters and government's language more than most. You're being tricked into blaming unvaccinated people for your government's decisions because it's politically expedient for them to do so. The overwhelming majority of unvaccinated people are like LA Don and not the benefit scrounger equivalent. Just as 99% of migrants are not in the UK/Australia/wherever to do anything other than work. It's all part of the same approach to debate and discussion, and just because it suits your beliefs at a particular time, it doesn't mean you should take advantage of it. It's exactly this dumbing down of conversation into thems' and us's that creates the doubts and fears in the first place.

The Queensland government are responsible for keeping Queensland's safe and healthy in relation to covid.

They have made mistakes of course like every government does/has.

So when should they allow interstate travel into QLD?

They have to set some figures and an 80% majority is deemed enough to have certain restrictions lessened and their citizens safe.

At 90%, travellers from around the world will be allowed into QLD.

They need to have some guidelines to allow venues to reopen and encourage non vaccinated to get the jabs.

Every government is controlling.It's part of their job.

Therefore by not adhering to these fair government rules they actually ARE stopping families seeing their loved ones.

I've yet to hear a decent argument from citizens refusing to get a jab.

Nobody here has.

We are all scared and fed up.

We all want normality back and the only way to get that is to get nearly all populations vaccinated ASAP.

It's not all the fault of anti vaxxers and people refusing to wear masks but by fuck they aren't helping.

1 hour ago, LA-Don said:

So what I am hearing is that you are taking your ball and going home because people won't play your game and make you captain. That's the problem with society today, we are totally intolerant of difference. It's black or white to you, when in this situation there's a ton of grey. You use the term 'anti vaxxer' much like people use the word 'racist.' It's a general term because you don't really have anything else to say. You also made the mask comment when I do believe publicized studies show few work. Makes me question your knowledge.

I'm man enough to admit I don't know enough and appreciate this discussion. I appreciate the comments of elgin, rico, jute, sancho etc. These are fascinating times. Horrible times too. Turning to insults and disrespect doesn't help anyone, again the problem with society, particularly in the US with race and politics. If people want to get the vaccine good for them, you have every right.

I gave you my points in regards to transparency, cancer, the newness of a vaccine, motive of government etc. Doesn't make me an anti vaxxer but someone with genuine and real concern. I've also done a fair amount of research and there are many like me with more questions than answers. There's also a ton of vaccine damaged, many severe. I cannot simply ignore that. Governments are corrupt and dishonest, none more so than in the US, yet I'm expected to blindly do as I'm told. I'm sorry but I can't.

Your last point about no vaccine causing chronic conditions is flawed. We've never had an mRNA 'vaccine before, and some doctors involved in the mRNA production are already expressing concerns. We're also dealing with an ever evolving target and you can already see the ineffectiveness of the current batch of vaccine. You've seen the blood clotting issues of the J&J vaccine and it being 'un'recommended' - we were told it was safe and now it's not. Is there a possibility we'll see more problems and what we were told was safe is not? There's enough evidence to suggest we will, but I certainly hope I am wrong.

Deary me.

Black or white, lesbian, gay, trans, asexual, punk or mod, Tory or labour blah blah.

I don't see any of those killing millions of people do you?

Certain beliefs do get millions killed however.

One being - not being vaccinated.

And it's not MY game nor do I wish to be captain. What a stupid comment.

This so call 'game' is saving millions of lives.

Your way has and will kill millions of lives. That's the difference and you have absolutely zero facts to prove otherwise.

Saying that you think getting a vaccine that has been approved by the world's medical experts conclusively may have adverse effects on any of us in years to come is ridiculous when there's little evidence any vaccine has ever had such an effect.

Expressing concerns isn't proof!

Show me the figures of blood clotting from covid vaccines. Is it around 0.00000000000002% of the world's population who got their doses?

That's a pathetic argument non vaccers cling onto to make some sort of stance.

You love going to football?

People have died from it...suffered ankle issues for the rest of their lives, caught chlamydia as a result of shagging a WAG, been beaten up, abused, had injuries later on in their lives and even resorted to taking drugs after their successes on the pitch.

A friend of mine had to give up football because of an ankle injury.

Holy shit I'm never watching another game of football.

In fact I'm going to become an anti-football campaigner and hIt the streets tomorrow.

"STOP THE GAME!

IT'LL MAKE YOU LAME!

STOP THE GAME!

ITLL MAKE YOU LAME!"

So, no vaccine has caused chronic conditions to emerge years or decades later, says Robert Jacobson, medical director of the population health science program at the Mayo Clinic. “Study after study have looked for this with all sorts of vaccines, and have not found it to be the case,” he says.

12 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

So it’s about togetherness and respect provided everyone agrees with you. Gotcha. 

Did you actually read and understand what you quoted above?

My point is everyone agreeing about what's best for each community and each countries' citizens.

You are part of the problem and in a massive minority.

Anti-vaxers are dying out like a disease ...similar to certain variants of covid thank fuck.

Get over yourselves and do what's right for everyone not just you.

I caught covid because of selfish bastards. Simple.

I'm done with this now.

There's just zero point talking about it anymore.

It's not my job to try and give people a conscience.

If you die in a car accident I'm pretty sure most times it'll be because you've crashed into a tree at 90kms an hour or another vehicle.

19 minutes ago, LA-Don said:

You've never been told by a doctor to eat healthily, exercise, and take vitamins?

I only mentioned never being told to have multi vitamins.

The doctors advice has ALWAYS been alternative methods to multi vitamins such as exercise and a health diet.

21 minutes ago, LA-Don said:

You are correct, it's about togetherness and respect. And that's not

...fuck everyone else, I'm not getting vaccinated to protect the community and my family and to get back to some sort of normality (eg living with covid as best we can.)

Told ya nobody would quote manc . Cowards.

And we can't really take anything Americans say seriously when they voted Trump into power. I mean come on.

Elgin, getting kids vaccinated isn't just about kids getting covid. It's also about the virus not spreading especially through schools.

What's the point of teachers getting vaccinated if kids aren't.

So multi vitamins is the way to go?

Do pharmaceutical firms not get billions from these? 

Where's the proof that these help your lives?

Not once in my life has a doctor referred me to multi vitamins of any sort.theyte like fa ial creams to make you look younger. Utter bollocks.

Do you know what they put in these?

Any long term effects?

There are flaws in every government but all these conspiracy theories dont add up.

The amount of money pharmaceutical companies around the world are receiving is nothing compared to the loss of trillions that countries( governments) are losing from lack of public spending, exports and imported goods as well as the cost of buying in vaccines and test kits.

I'm sure nobody who gets vaccinated says 'oh yesssss please'.

But it has been proven to reduce drastically, the spread of covid and save potentially hundreds of thousands (indeed MILLIONS of lives.)

And it's also very obvious that particles of a covid infected person would be hugely inhibited by wearing a mask.(I don't need a doctor to tell me this.)

I suspect I have covid as I've been ill for 7 days now and I think I know exactly who I got it from as I've hardly been out.

Speculation of course but when you're doing the right things (wearing masks, washing hands, hand sanitising, social distancing etc) and some selfish cunt (and they ARE cunts) stands next to me or passes by me and is going about his own business and not giving a fuck about anyone, then I think I have every right to criticise him/her/them.

There will always be cases in the world where someone had a clot, adverse medical problems, underlying medical conditions etc and I feel very sorry for them if affected by the vaccine.

But the fact is, the vaccine has and is saving lives.The figures for deaths with the vax and lives saved with the vax are incomparable.

Look at how many people died in the first year of covid worldwide.

And Djokovic is an attention seeking, lying arsehole.

He was always coming to the Australian Open.(Though I've just heard his visa has been cancelled)

I recently read that faecal transplants are the future by the way.

Gut health can be improved apparently with the faeces of someone else's gut bacteria taken, through a pill.

My point about how we don't know what we put in our bodies everyday from large stores produce could also be a non vaxxers concern yet we don't hear them shouting about that much do we?

Preservatives, sugars, bacteria, flavouring, acid (especially in Pepsi Max which I'm sure has given me stomach problems for years as a result of having consumed it off and on for a while.)

I think it's an interesting discussion and has without doubt divided people but not that much.

Its not like a hung parliament here.

Huge majorities for vaccination don't spilt nations and its not just a simple choice of get it or don't.

For me it's about togetherness and respect by getting the vaccine.i don't see people dropping like flies because they're vaccinated but I read and hear about tens of thousands of people 'dropping like flies' due to covid.

The local government here have totally fucked up and so has Morrison.

On 04/01/2022 at 11:00, manc_don said:

Have almost replied and deleted my response a number of times. Latest was Boxing Day when I thought it wasn’t a suitable day given my response .

 

I personally hate anti-vaxxers. Always have, and always will. They’re selfish and always deem their freedom above others more important without the slightest hint of considering those in society who actually have no choice. I blame them for a lot of the issues of division here in NZ, they’ve put themselves ahead of the greater good. Waiting for something better? Wake the fuck up. The reason my parents haven’t been able to meet their grandkids is all on them. Flaunting rules, causing spreading events and delaying the govt from being able to open up. They’ve been fortunate to live off the rest of us here and benefit from the freedoms we’ve earned. Get them all in the sea. 
 

here, it’s fuck all to do with politics, more so to with if you’re a good cunt or just a selfish cunt. 
 

as a side, it doesn’t surprise me the anti vaxxers are anti-5G, anti climate change and pro conspiracy theorists. It’s their level of brain function. Calling themselves pure bloods how pathetic. 

Agree 100% manc.

Said the same thing but had opposition. You , however won't hear a thing from anyone I'd say.

10 hours ago, BigAl said:

Eintracht Frankfurt yesterday.

Bologna today.

Any guesses who The Sun will run with tomorrow 

£10mill+ for Paterson!!

We won't even get £3mill for Ramsay I bet.

8 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Happy New Year to you all! Curious to know how 2022 can out do 2020 and 2021. From Covid to American politics (not quite sure how that thread can be so quiet!), it’s certainly been a fucked up couple of years over here!!

As for the dons, hoping the January window brings some excitement. Not too worried about losing Ferguson or hedges, even Ramsey, as it will bring in money. Hope we spend it wisely!!! However, of the three, I’d hope Ramsey stays another year or two as Ferguson has done, we shall see.

Wish me luck for 2022, relocating my family 2500 miles in June, from LA back to Orlando. Driving a 3 year old and a 6 year old, plus two dogs, not quite sure how I survive that!

That journey sounds awesome^^^

Fuck 2021

And happy new year Jute.

Nice one dude

5 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Don't look up on Netflix. Very good like.

'Dont Look Up' is absolute shite!!!

The obvious narcissism of humans is slightly amusing but other than that, I'd call it a flop.

Some decent stuff on Netflix but by fuck you have to look hard to find them.

1 hour ago, BigAl said:

Could he drop McLennan off somewhere on the way south ?

 

Please

 

 

And most of the team.