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as ever you go with the insults, I thought you were past all of that shit? Never mind, you genuinely think the guys bets was worth £4950 at the time, it wasn't, it was worth over £5000, that's where the bookie then makes a little extra and that's why they like people that cash out, I'd even go as far to say that over a football season bookies will be saving a fair amount through cash out

I'm friends with a lot of guys that bet full time, most making a lot of money each year, they won't use cash out as it's not the value play, they'll hedge or trade their positions to make as much as possible and remain in control of the bet, there's plenty examples online now that many get stung by cash out, most recent one 2 weeks ago was a guy that cashed out his £1 bet for 64p, bet then came in and the return was over £1000, people like that probably shouldn't bet, I also know a guy I went to school with that cashes out at the first chance he gets which in the long run is a massive loser.

You keep ignoring my point just so you can belittle me, standard rocket behaviour from yourself, my point is and remains that when you cash out the bookies never give you the true worth of your bet AT THE TIME, that is a fact, you also say cash out and in play are separate when they aren't as without in play odds you wouldn't get a suitable offer. That's my final bit on the subject, you think it's a good thing where as I don't, if people want to cash out their bets then go ahead but like I've already said it's a short term gain but a long term loser if it's continued to be used on most punters bets, wish you and the others on here the very best with your betting.

Previous experience of seeing large offers for cash outs, I'll go back 2 seasons when Liverpool were 2-0 up on Southampton, bet my friends and I had on was returning roughly £2300, at 2-0 the cash out was around £1800 where as the true value was almost £2000, numbers are rough as it was a fair while back but it wasn't value to cash out at that amount.

Of course the bet is worth something otherwise they wouldn't offer you money ffs, at the time that guy cashed out his bet do you think he got the true value of it? Cos he never, it's a good 150-250 shorter than what it was worth at the odds available at the time.

I've seen my own bets where I've had £10 on the 3/1 has won with one leg to go and the offer is less than £30 if you want to take it, less than what the bet is worth, ta.

Yes and clearly you don't as cash out and in play betting work side by side

Ok Rocket as ever you are right, only you can be right despite the fact guys that RUN bookies know cashout is heavily stacked in their favour and that it's almost never value to cash out a bet.

The fact is you don't know it's the correct decision when you push the button. Say full return of a bet is £220, you cash out for £190 with 10mins left, that £190 is less than what your bet is worth at the time of the cash out, it's not difficult and as usual you dish out the abuse knowing fuckall about what I do full time and the people I learn from.

Nothing to do with pride and everything to do with value that's why I won't use it, maybe the only case to use it would be for a life changing sum of cash well over, another way to make the most from your bet would be to trade on betfair if prices and liquidity allows. I've heard enough bookie reps and managers talk about it to know that they love a customer cashing out that's also why some shops will let you do it in there too, an easy way out for the mugs where the bookie can save a further 10% or more on a lower amount they'd be losing if you kept the bet running.

So you genuinely think you get the full worth of your bet at the time of cash out? Guys I speak to who know and understand betting a lot more than you and I ever will would never use cashout, bookies love a £5-£10 punter that uses cashout a lot and trust me 1000s use it every single day hence why it's available on almost every betting site.

Well that's not true, the bookies never give you what your bet is worth if you are cashing out hence why almost every bookie has created their own model for it and actively encourage customers to use it.

What I'm saying is that over a long period of time cashing out you'll lose money, there's a reason the bookies offer it and they LOVE customers that use it all the time, that's a fact.

Cashing out is a short term gain but long term loser, as I said fair play to him but cashing out isn't for me, I've been it 4 or 5 times but wouldn't do it again as there are other ways around to secure profit.

I'm not and I know the numbers and I know how the bookies work with cash out, his bet was worth more than he cashed out for at the time so he's cost himself some money to start with.

Well done to the guy but cash out is never value, an easy way for bookies to save some money.

Jamie T- Earth Wind & Fire

Only just discovered this lot at the weekend, new album is fantastic as is their previous stuff.

The Streets in April, Sleaford Mods in October, probably a few in between aswell. Really got lucky last year with the gigs I attended, the 3 best acts I saw were Arcade Fire (mandalay bay LV) Run The Jewels (Brooklyn bowl LV) and Idles at tunnels with about 70 people there, they put on a fantastic gig their deut album was superb too and expect the follow up to be cracking aswell.

Arcade Fire- Ready To Start

A song from one of my favourite albums of last year.

Manc Don, Derry girls was on c4 so you'll get it online. Another show I watched recently was The End Of The F****** World which is on netflix.

I thought it was decent enough in the end, started very well but kinda dropped off through the middle but the last two episodes were very good. I also liked Hard Sun, was a bit far fetched but was good each week then a weird ending but still enjoyale. Loved Derry girls, fantastic humour and covering the troubles in ireland.

Starting back after 4 terrible years, injuries and no routine a big issue, my head another.

I am but through choice and I'm a lot happier for it, I'll be looking to pick up something from the summer onwards