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I'm going to jump in late to the George Galloway debate and add that he is the fucking man.

That happens to be a scientific fact. I read it in Omni or something.

The Americans figured that they'd take this Scottish bumpkin over to their turf and slap down the most vocal opponent of the invasion of Iraq, just to show you don't fuck with Uncle Sam and the neocons.

Thinking they were in for an easy ride with this backwater teuchter, they failed to prepare themselves. And we all know that failing to prepare is preparing to fail  

George proceeded to rape the entire US Senate live on television. It was fucking glorious.

They then threatened to take him back for a second interrogation.

"G'head", says George. "I'll go pack my suitcase."

"Ermmm.. no", declines the Americans.

Now personally I'd have liked to see Tam Dalyell go over with Galloway, because he's like the grand master of surly Scottish bastards. He makes Galloway look like Mother Teresa. I doubt the American Senate would have survived an encounter with Tam.

Galloway's  opponents have tried to smear him repeatedly and have failed miserably. Even when he puts himself in front of a hostile US Senate on their own terms. Makes it pretty clear that the smears are just that, bullshit smears.

And he gives the Palestinians a voice in a pro-Israeli west and media.

George Galloway, as has been scientifically proven, is the fucking man.

Will we get past Dunfermline and go out to Falkirk, or are we just going to capitulate against the Pars and not even make the semi?

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL!!!!

GOALGOALGOALGOALGOAL!!!!!!

And he's put the ball from only 8 yards.

It was easier to score.

He could have just side-footed it into the net.

3 year contract for that man, plz.

Said fuck all about keeping Aberdeen fans out of the city. Try reading before you reply. Don't scum who drive up go through the city/park in it. Isn't there a pub off King Street thats basically a hun pub when we play them at home?

 

Sorry for having an opinion that obviously differs from yours, not sure that makes me mental though 

I was replying to someone else in that line, not you. Calm down, weepy.

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion of your own, princess. What I'm saying is that repeating "6 years" ad infinitum doesn't make your 6 year statement any more valid. Do you think they just threw up the RDS without looking into the possibility of relocation before they invested 4.5 million in a new stand?

I know the club is incompetent, but they're not that incompetent.

But, like I said, if you want to believe that there was no investigation into redevelopment back in 93, and that the very first time it was considered was "6 years" ago then knock yourself out. 

Personally I do think that makes you mental, but I'm sure your E-feelings will survive the trauma.

Dedication would be getting his arse to the games. He says distance is a problem but thats no excuse, we have fans travel ever game from Pitmeden - have you seen the state of those roads  

I actually agree with the above. What's the travel time from New Zealand, 24 hours?  So if he sets off fae work at 12 on Friday afternoon, immediately gets a flight, goes from the airport straight to Pittodrie, spends a couple hours at the game then heads right back to the airport, he'd be home some time Sunday evening.

Hang on though, no direct flights to Aberdeen....

Okay, so if he sets out on Friday morning, gets a flight to Gatwick, then immediately gets on a shuttle to Aberdeen he might catch the whole game. Then get a shuttle back to Gatwick, flight back to New Zealand, sleeping on the plane, he can get off the plane and head immediately to work monday morining.

NZ to UK both ways, call it a grand.... shuttle to Aberdeen both ways, couple hundred. Food, ticket for the journey well call another hundred quid. Say 1300 quid fort the trip at a bare minimum.

HAng on, I just noticed on the website that the travel time is 30 hours.

So he'd have to leave some time on Thursday to get to the game on Saturday.

Reekie, yer a fucking waster. Get yer arse on a plane and support the team.

That's my angry face.

Do you have any idea how much these feasability studies cost? Feckin loads, and for that reason, someone in power must think it's worth doing. Why? Presumably because there is a more than reasonable chance of it becoming reality.

I believe it was around about the 500k mark. So that puts us another half million in the hole.

Do you know how much a new stadium costs?  Feckin loads. 

Do you know how much money we've got?  It's about -10,000,000 quid give or take.

If there were a 'more than reasonable chance of it becoming reality' I'd seriously like to know where the cash is coming from.

I don't know who is paying for these studies (afc, the council, mixture of both) but bet your back teeth the cost is not insignificant.

Originally it was to be a joint venture between the city and the club. Then the city pulled out because they're broke/not interested and the club went ahead/is going ahead and paying for it themselves. So if the city won't even go 50/50 on the feasibility study what are the chances they're going to take on the expense of a new stadium? Pretty slim, I'd guess.

I personally felt initially Pittodrie was our home, never wanted to move. Reality is something has to be done. If the redevelopment of Pittodrie isn't an option I personally favour Loirston - if for no other reason it will hopefully keep the scum out of our city centre on hun days. One quick turn right at the roundabout and the filth are quickly on the road south to Glasgow.

Sounds good to me. Keep the filth out of our city and the good people of Aberdeen are surely safer.

You might be right, but AFC did everything they could to get that off the ground.

Which, without any money, investments or handouts was precisely nothing.

Nothing's been done? We've identified two sites, and have a feasibiltiy study in it's final stages to decide which route to take. Seems like plenty's been done to me.

Yep. Feasibility studies and a drawing. To me that's nothing.  What would be something would be to find the money to build a new ground, because without cash all the feasibility studies and drawings of new stadiums amount to exactly feck all.  Whatever the club does, if they don't have the cash to follow through, is nothing more than blowing smoke up our arses.  I could go window shopping for a Ferrari, but if I don't have the cash to buy one what value do you place on me window shopping?  I could draw a picture of a Ferrari, but without the cash to but that Ferrari there's still no chance of me getting one.

So, until the club finds investment we're going nowhere. That's the bottom line.

I'm sure you'd admit far more than 10,000 go to Pittodrie at one time or another, and that far more than 10,000 have an interest in the DOns.

Let's double that figure and call it 20,000. That's still less than 10% of the city's population who are motivated to even go to the ground, let alone are passionate enough to care if the city helps the club out by financing a new stadium. 

We've been looking for a new stadium for 6 years whichever way you want to spin it.

No, the club has obviously been looking at the possibility/feasibility of moving since the RDS was built 15 years ago, given that at the time they stated that it was move or redevelop, and they went with the cheaper option. That's not spin. But if you want to stick your fingers in your ears and say "Nonononono" then go right ahead, but you're only convincing yourself.

I don't recall any stadium talk past 6 years, becasue there isn;t any, it became an issue when Kingswells was being talked about.

I can see you've managed to convince yourself. Big pat on the back.

No you're just a doom monger waiting to say I told you so if Loirston/Kings Links fails. 2 plans in 6 years btw, there was no new stadium talk before Kingswells, unless of course you can point us to an article where an alternative site was being discussed in 1993?

I guess if you keep saying 6 years enough you reckon it'll become true.

Tell you what, let's say one of the 2 sites are identified as being fantastic... where's the cash coming from?

Not the club.

Not the city.

Not the government.

Not Milne.

No investors.

G'head, tell me where they're finding the money.

We're ALL prepared to give it a chance.

Not judging by your previousparagraph.

Hmmmm, so you're under the impression that vocal cynicism means one isn't prepared to wait and see?  Well, you're wrong about that.

You're just being an arse now.

Toughen up, buttercup.

Magic.

When we bought him I thought, "Here's a big, thuggish looking loon who doesnae look like he takes shite, and could well whip our team of metrosexuals into some kind of, if not tough bunch of tasty pagga-merchants, then less scared to get their frosted tips messed up.

Unfortunately it now looks like it's gone the other way, and our new striker will shortly be wearing his hair in pigtails and worrying about whether his clothes have the right brand name on them.

"No more Mr Tough Guy. By the way, do you like my new HIGH HEELED SHOES? I GOT THEM TO GO WITH MA NEW HANDBAG!"

I reserve the right never to say any of this to his face.

I don't get the cynisysm that so many show towards this? Do you all want it to fail? We would be in a new stadium by now if it wasn’t for the Kingswells NIMBYs – not AFC’s fault that.

Um, would we?  Where was the cash coming from? As far as I'm aware we were just as broke a few years ago when the Kingswells site was touted, and I can't remember the Council having a sack of cash ready to throw at us. I also remember that the European Championships was supposed to get us cash from the government for redevelopment/new stadium, but obviously that was a non-starter since we didn't win the bid.

Why not get behind the idea and show support,

Show support for what, exactly?  No-one's saying we don't want a new stadium, we're passing comment that not one brick has been laid to that end. Are we supposed to go, "Yay.. nothing's been done yet, and nothing looks like getting done. Yay!" Because I fail to see how supporting nothing can have any different an impact to commenting negatively on nothing. Being positive doesn't make cash sprout out of the ground, and pointing out that we're no further forward doesn't make us any poorer.

maybe the council would get off their arses and spend the money on this instead of a few new desks in their £70m headquarters if they thought there were votes in it, certainly more likely than when they’re faced with the cynical, “I told you so†negativity of the typical Aberdonian.

Let's see, 225,000 people in Aberdeen, of which around 10,000 go to games regularly. So we can assume 215,000 people don't really give a fuck one way or the other. Maybe a petition might help? But not really.

We are on our second – just the second – plan, where obviously a lot of work was done behind the scenes to get it where it has now, and which all along has been going out to this feasibility study before anything more could be done.

Okay, so let's say the feasibility study is complete and X-site is decided upon.  Where is the cash coming from to build the stadium?  Not the government, not the city and not the Club. Sooooo.... where? Let's call it a lowball 30million quid.

Vague comments like “for as long as I can remember†do nothing to help, and actually say nothing other than someone has a poor recollection. Well poor memory isn’t really the fault of the Dons I don’t think. I can’t recall any new stadium talk prior to Kingswells, and that was 2002, in fact we’d not long built the RDS at the time, so vague statements that give the impression that this has been going on since the war are nothing more than doom mongering.

I think my memory's just fine.  I'm not going to tell you what you do or don't remember. But I recall at the time of the redevelopment of the RDS that they said they had discussed the options, moving v redevelopment, and redevelopment had been the cheaper option. 4.5million v 30million.

So that would put MY recall of relocation talks at 1993 v your 2002.

So 15 years is, in my book, a pretty good recollection. And certainly better than you not being able to remember past the last 6 years.

And 2 plans in 15 years, one failed and the other doomed to failure,  with nothing more than a sketch to show for it, is pretty shite in my book. Though maybe I just have unrealistic expectations.

Do I hope this will happen? You bet your arse. Do I think it will happen? As a matter of fact I do, and yet by nature I’m a miserable Aberdonian as well. I could be wrong, but at least I’m prepared to give it a chance.

 

We're ALL prepared to give it a chance. So, off you go Aberdeen, here's your chance. Run with it and show us what you're made of.

Words of encouragement should make all the difference.

Just to get things back on topic...

...acountants, eh?

I can't see any sort of a new stadium in my lifetime, and let's say I have maybe 50 years of life left in me.

They've been talking about a new stadium for as long as I can remember, and thus far there's a drawing of a new stadium as the sum total of their efforts towards said new stadium.

The club is blowing smoke up our arses any time they mention this, so I seriously wish they would shut the fuck up about it because by this point we know they're lying through their teeth.

"Look at us doing feasibility studies, like a real organization."

The club hasn't a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. The city doesn't have the sort of money that would be required to build a stadium, even if they wanted to... and they've shown they don't. There's no-one banging on the door to invest in our club, and frankly I wouldn't want to risk some Lithuanian gangster taking over anyway.

It's a pity, because Aberdeen really is a sleeping giant.  A one club city where entertainment is few and far between compared to other cities... unless your idea of entertainment is getting pished and fighting on a Saturday night. A new stadium, run by people who know how to market a product would make a killing.

Unfortunately I think we missed the boat when it comes to getting serious investment, so we'll stumble along with a giant debt, a board that doesn't give a fuck, smaller crowds than we should be getting, a stadium that costs hundreds of thousands to stop from falling down on an annual basis, and drawing s of stadiums that aren't going to amount to shit.

Still, eh?

I'm currently reading Conqueror's Pride.

It's fucking atrocious.

Typical lack of imagination.. solve the problem by throwing a bunch of shitty teams into the mix and see how a 20 team league works.

Scottish fitba needs to be ripped apart and put back together again.

Personally I like the idea of seperate leagues. Maybe an East and West Coast league (something that has been suggested before). The West Coast league might initially have more cash, but it'll also get to keep all the sectarianism.

The East Coast league is going to be more competitive, with most of the clubs in with a realistic chance of winning something.  A more competitive league is going to draw in more crowds, which means an East Coast league should be able to generate enough revenue to keep its teams at least as financially sound as they are now, even with the loss of the OF's dirty money.

Cups could be inter league, meaning ALL the teams go into one unseeded pot.

Winners of the East and West Coast leagues would go into the Champions League, runners up/cup winners could go into whatever the lesser Euro competition is at the time.

This means it's not ALWAYS the Huns and Tims in the CL, which means increased revenue for clubs like Aberdeen or United when they play clubs like Milan or Barca.

There may be problems with this, and the main one I can see is the OF would be fucking horrified at the prospect of other clubs getting into the CL, which is a good enough reason to go for it as far as I'm concerned.

Thoughts?

I wouldnae fecht him.. even though he's looking fairly jolly there.

I'd definitely be up for an expansion of the SPL.  The top six split is shite, and too many teams are involved in relegation fights each season.  A league of 16, 18 or 20 would do for me!

I don't care how many teams are in a new SPL format, so long as the OF aren't part of it. All I know is I hate those cunts.

I know lots of people who are 'top blokes'. Doesn't mean I want them to manage our club though. Ebbe was absolutely fucking shite as a manager.

Exactly.

I hear Gandhi was absolutely top banana as a person, but would he have been any good at managing a fitba team?

Probably not.

On a side note, I recall a mate of mine referring to Gandhi as "A fucking Paki", I got into the spirit of the discussion by offering, "Worse than that Chinky bastard, Hirohito."

Erroneous racism is fun for all the family.

Where were we?

Aye, I could never understand the love for Ebbe. He spent a fair bit of cash, had us bouncing around the table, more often than not the wrong end of the table, wasted cash on guys that didn't even deserve a red shirt, and every time we went to Glasgow it was with the certainty we were about to be humiliated.

If Calderwood performed to the same standard there would be hordes of angry villagers waving pitchforks and torches aloft outside the doors at Pittodrie every Saturday.

"Aberdeen were officially the worst team in Europe after an awful beginning to the season during which they lost their first seven games and won only one of their first 15 matches.

With a winning run of three matches in February, it looked like the club might have turned the corner, but they faltered again and could not avoid bottom place in the league.

A relegation play-off was only avoided by virtue of first division Falkirk not having a suitable stadium for the SPL. "

The reason I've put this in the AFC Section... what Dons player would you like to see fight someone from the opposition from "the olden days"?

 

Personally,  I'd like to see the following:

 

The Undercard:

 

Stewart McKimmie v Tosh McKinlay - McKimmie had a bit of a temper, McKinlay was a narky cunt who thought he was Maldini as soon as he moved to Celtic.  Anyone who remembers how shit he was at Dundee and Hearts will also remember how much of a dirty cunt he was.  Nothing changed when he moved to Celtic.

 

Tag Team Event: 

 

Doug Rougvie & Willie Miller  versus Willie Johnston & Andy Goram - The Willie Johnston thing is self explanatory, and I'd just like to see Goram get a good kicking.

 

Lee Richardson v Iain Ferguson  -  Ferguson was the quintessential "hun bastard"... eyes too close together, could spit through his nose and kicked anything that moved.  Rico was a lovely footballer, hated the huns and was a bit of a mentalist too. 

 

And the evening's main event:

 

Peter Nicholas v Graeme Souness - Souness had famously broken Nicholas's leg in an international match a couple of years before... when Nicholas first played for The Dons v the Huns he thumped Souness twice in the first five minutes and Souness spent the rest of the afternoon running away from Peter Nick.  But there would be nowhere for the self proclaimed hard man Souness to run in a boxing ring... Seconds Out! 

 

what are your choices?

Arild Stavrum v Rod Wallace, because you know just by looking into Stavrum's eyes that here's a bloke that wouldn't stop punching and kicking his opponent until he was dragged from his opponents twitching corpse. And that cunt Wallace seriously needs a sorting oot.  Nae that I hold a grudge.  But it's still fresh in my memory.

Scottish Premier League 2

 

How could it be premier?

This is maybe another step towards the Special Olympicising of Scottish Fitba.

Everyone gets to be a winner... if you don't win the SPL then you might still win a cup or the Bottom 6 league. Now you've also got the chance of winning the SPL2!

You don't get to boo the players because it might upset them. You don't get to throw bog rolls because it might startle our special little players, and make them flee into the advertising boards like terrified, retarded gazelles.

You don't get to wave banners criticising the team because most fitba players can't read, and those that can will start crying and refuse to come out for the second half.

You don't get to stand up, because our players don't understand perspective, and might think they're surrounded by thousands of giants, and terrify them to the point of pissing/shitting their adult nappies.

You don't get to take pictures because you might accidentally get a copper in the shot and have to go to jail...

...what was the question again?

IF Zander was oot for a year than I think panicking would be a perfectly acceptable response to the situation.

I for one would make a conscious effort to shit in my pants, run around in little circles all flapping my arms about the place, and making noises like Beaker aff the Muppets. Hopefully my prompt and focused reaction will have a strong bearing on helping the club get out of that particular kerfuffle.

Mimimimimimimimimimimimimim!

Hahahahaa

"[He's] good to have around the place"

"He always gives 110%"

"Skillfull".

Three comments used by the commentators to describe Derek Young.

So when did they start giving the commentators free drugs?

I found it quite easily, you must just be a retard 

Next person to call me a retard is going to be subjected to a frenzied attack using all my retard strength.

1.  Retard Strong 

 

When somebody is unexpectedly quite physically strong. Everyone knew of the kids in highschool with down syndrome, which were incorrectly referred to as 'retarded'. Many of these kids are physically stronger than would be expected. Most of us have witnessed an event where one of these kids got in a physical altercation with someone (or someTHING), whether based out of an argument or just horsing around, and the kid was surprisingly powerful.. probably stronger than anyone else at the school.

This is known as being Retard-strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcrPmkWY0CI

http://www.afc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/sub/RedTVMatchLive/0,,10284,00.html

Yer a guid lad, Mizer. 

Nice to see the club has made it overcomplicated to find the fkn streams.

That's progress.

Tabbed under match live

Not seeing anything that says Match Live

Is that on the main/Home page?