RicoS321

The Tims aren't very good

The pitch? Bloody yanks.

It's a growth-based, competitive system. To rip up a growth based, competitive system and replace it with another would be the stupidest thing we could do. It takes a real denialist mindset to suggest otherwise. You correctly derided those who deny climate change, but I'm not sure that moving the denial barrier to "nicer" perpetual economic growth is any less derisory.

Should have got that seen to.

Socialism is a growth based, competitive, system. Both capitalism and socialism can solve the climate issue, just not in a way that would solve any of the other issues in our current metacrisis. That's why climate becomes a single ticket issue, when it very clearly isn't. Neither system works, they're basically the Huns and Tims of economic systems.

Nobody replaces one system with another, they simply occur from the ashes. You don't get to pick and choose. Certainly, we don't. The most important point, though, is that capitalism can only fail. It's ecologically, materially and energy illiterate - it makes no sense. It's simply a question of when. It's a parasitic system* which, once it kills its host, will die. Therefore, the question of what replaces capitalism is open to everyone, including those who deny that it's a parasitic system, against all evidence. What would you replace capitalism with? Or, if you prefer, how do you think capitalism evolves in a world with a dwindling resource base and limits to growth? Or, probably a better question (for all), is what do you see coming after capitalism whether we like it or not? *As is socialism, and all forms of communism that have existed alongside other systems.

I was taking the piss out of @Mason89's assertion that everything will be fine once the boomers are gone. It's very clear they are teenagers. You were supposed to imagine a group of baby boomers in the image instead.

Their faces are covered, they could be any age.

Avoiding the question? I know it's the politics thread, but you don't have to become a politician.

That's not really getting to the crux of the problem though is it? Unless you think that the world's problems stop and end at Trump or Farage. What would be returning to after the saturation point? The time of good old sensible politics with call me Dave and Big Tony? The grown ups, like Nicola? You don't seem to be articulating a future, simply suggesting that the death of a generation will pave the way to something better. I expect that's unlikely.

Didn't he retire 8 years ago?

I guess I'm not really understanding what the picture of health looks like in a declining age. I'm not really seeing a vision from anyone politically that suggests that they really understand the issues at hand, not am I sure that the illusion of representative democracy has it within itself to deal with those issues when they present themselves. If there are no wise elderly folk, as you suggest, to pass their knowledge onto the younger generation, then who* will guide them through the next few decades when they'll likely experience things at a scale that no human society has before? Why would it not be easier to jump on board with the grifters and charlatans? What exactly is it that you picture the future looks like? *I'm nae fuckin deein it.

I don't quite understand this. Bounce back to where? Nearly every material resource used to power modernity is on to its decline curve. I don't think age will be a factor in the decline of civilisation. The next war will be fought by the younger generation, at the behest of the older. As has always been the case.

Really? Allegedly he ejaculated into a bin on the team bus and then tried to set it on fire to hide the evidence. Edit: a few seconds in and no solicitor calls. I think you might be on to something.

What a touching eulogy.