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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Dundee V Aberdeen
« Last post by tlg1903 on Today at 05:17:17 PM »
He needs game time but I would much rather it was with us.  DM is far to hesitant to drop the likes of McGinn and GMS if they have a shit game and give SW a chance.  Would keep those two on their toes if they knew they were a bit more droppable if rhey didn't perform. 
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Summer Transfer chat
« Last post by tlg1903 on Today at 05:14:41 PM »
I adored Heikinnen, fantastic footballer.  Further proof if any was needed that JC was a football charlatan that he couldn't see it strraight away.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Dundee V Aberdeen
« Last post by LA-Don on Today at 05:14:22 PM »
Scott Wright needs to go out on loan or leave. The new Peter Pawlett.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Summer Transfer chat
« Last post by KennyFuckinPowers on Today at 05:11:22 PM »
Markus Heikkinen was another example of a quality signing from abroad. Thought he was class actually, and if memory serves me right, Calderwood eventually realised this as well but by the time he did, it was too late, Heikkinen had decided to move on.

Interesting to note, he still plays! Thought he'd have long retired, but approaching 40 and still playing, although, only played 39 times since 2016.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Summer Transfer chat
« Last post by LA-Don on Today at 05:06:51 PM »
Hope this helps clarify. I suppose I mean inspirational or exciting foreign signing. Subjective I know. I don't mean anyone from Britain or Ireland, and I don't mean the foreigners who float around the lower leagues and non league of England like Josh Parker or Calvin Zola.

Arneson was exciting first time around but not the second to me. He'd been here before and was a known 34/35 year old. Cerny was at Thistle, the recent defender Nowak had been at Hearts.

Gilhaus, Zero, Bisconti, Stavrum, I mentioned Ferne Snoyl on loan from Feyenoord, Peter Kjaer, Snelders. Even Van der Ven. Van Der Ark was wank, so was Solberg, so it's not all great, but they brought intrigue/excitement. Nicholas Fabiano was a dud if I recall, but was on loan from or had just been released from PSG. All of these created some enthusiasm.

While Mulumbu was at Killie he was a class above them and only came up here because of his EPL experience with Clarke. Quality player that would bring positivity and a bit of enthusiasm.

I'm just sick of trolling the lower English leagues. I think that's lazy and we could do better. I know foreign doesn't guarantee success either. We paid 20k for Cosgrove, could we have found someone better for that money using connections we have all over the world? Perhaps. Could we have spunked the 400k Stevie May money elsewhere? I think our club is being narrow minded.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Dundee V Aberdeen
« Last post by RicoS321 on Today at 04:10:24 PM »
If he was a dick in training, who could blame him? Wouldn't you get pissed off starting only FOUR games in his first FOUR years under McInnes.

How could he be properly motivated, being treated so appallingly that donkey journeymen keep on getting starts ahead of him? He was an exciting prospect once upon a time. The killer for me was Rangers at home, the second of the double-header when Kris Commons was already pronouncing that McInnes was destined for Ibrox. He started Wright for the first time in ages and Scott had a shocker, as did every single one of them, the worst two consecutive matches I have ever seen in over 50 years watching. He's never started him again. Whatever promise he once had may well have been extinguished and if that is the case, it's 100% down to mismanagement. If he can't inspire and develop youth, he's not fit for the job.

I don't agree with strategies and targets when it comes to player selections. This is football, not a committee in the civil service.

Donkey journeymen aren't getting a start ahead of him though. They're coming off the bench instead of him and that's where I have the issue. Our starting two of McGinn and GMS are currently better than Wright and he shouldn't be starting the majority of games (it doesn't really matter if others think otherwise for the purposes of the point). I am not suggesting strategies and targets when it comes to player selections, I'm suggesting strategies and targets when it comes to squad building. There's a good argument to say that we've over-signed by one in midfield which will prevent Campbell getting game time unless he goes out on loan (which is absolutely fine, but we should do one or the other not keep him just in case). Last year we over-signed in the wide areas with McGinn returning and so Wright should have gone out on loan. McInnes is cautious and prefers experience over youth, so by restricting him at a strategic level he is forced to face that caution head on.

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It's like he doesn't have to change his mediocrity to keep his job. And whilst I agree with you that his failure to give youth a chance is a major failing, I reckon this season is where it will all cave in. We are the weakest we have ever been under McInnes and getting second spot is NOT going to happen, not by a significant margin. We have been up against even worse teams, very poorly managed in previous years. That's not the case for 2018/19. McInnes MUST change - by recruiting properly, getting more out of his journeymen and giving youth a reasonable crack - and as he is incapable of change (due to his major defects in personality), it WILL go tits up this season.

Yep, I think you might be right. As I said above, if he faces that cautious approach then we can judge him on his abilites. Over the last few years (perhaps not last season) we've bought a succesful team. We've had enough depth on those purchases that we've afforded our way into second place each year. McInnes hasn't had to use youth so he hasn't done it. In a game we're he's judged on results that's no surprise as the most pragmatic and safe approach - that has returned second place each year - has proved effective. I've not seen him in a situation like the one we face this season so I don't know how he'll approach it. It's not as easy to beat all the other teams anymore, so he's really going to have to shake things up. The way we finished last season was a positive start with reasonably risky moves such as throwing in Ball and Cosgrove showing great success. Second place would be a phenomenal achievement this season (it was impressive last season) as ~£8M of spending by the hun doesn't buy you nothing. It's a whole different league of spending to us and we simply cannot afford to buy a manager who could reverse those odds. It's now where McInnes has to give the fans more because when we miss out on second place something needs to replace it. I think that the succesful introduction of youth would be a great start.

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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Summer Transfer chat
« Last post by Dunty on Today at 04:04:33 PM »
I'd say LA meant a foreigner with no SPL / SPFL experience. We sign very few.

You sure? His post was about Mulumbu.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Dundee V Aberdeen
« Last post by rocket_scientist on Today at 03:23:17 PM »
Certainly McKenna hold McInnes in high regard and has benefitted from his coaching to the extent he signed a new deal.

McKenna isn't a brain surgeon. He's a young impressionable loon with a LOT to learn. His signing a new deal with AFC is no barrier to anyone wanting to come in for him. The wages we pay are peanuts compared to the levels some reckon he's capable of.

Has he benefitted from McInnes's coaching? Do you know this? We see the same failing in McKenna almost every week and he's not doing anything to improve it.

I said at the time that Sone Aluko would never be good enough to play in the EPL and I got that wrong because he did (for Hull if I recall right) but my point was he would never be good enough to be a consistent performer in the EPL. For all the plaudits that we all give to McKenna - undoubtedly our most "valuable" footballer - let me be the first to say that he will never be a consistent starter in the EPL because unlike the other young Scots Robertson and Fraser - he's not good enough. I personally think that McKenna's fatal flaw is something that may not be possible to coach out of him. It would help if our manager can even see it though, and of that I'd be surprised if he can.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Dundee V Aberdeen
« Last post by rocket_scientist on Today at 03:15:04 PM »
The wasted minutes on Maynard were a huge frustration when he should have been ditched (I'd have re-sold him before the window closed cause he was so obviously fucking shite). We're wasting time on a player that we know wouldn't improve.

Couldn't agree more. This much was obvious to anyone... APART from to McInnes.

Within 5 minutes of Zola's debut I turned to my mate and said that this cunt can't play fitba. This is another George Weah's cousin. Did you read about that cunt from South America somewhere who got paid for THIRTEEN YEARS in the professional ranks despite never being able to play (because he fixed everyone up with girls so he was "good to have around the place").


The approach on Frank Ross, to me, was the correct one. He wasn't ready and 6 months of playing at a decent level makes him more ready. The only thing I'd add is that the same should have been afforded to Wright; 22 minutes from January was scandalous. However, he may have been being a dick or something that we're not party to; that's the difficulty of judging. 

If he was a dick in training, who could blame him? Wouldn't you get pissed off starting only FOUR games in his first FOUR years under McInnes.

How could he be properly motivated, being treated so appallingly that donkey journeymen keep on getting starts ahead of him? He was an exciting prospect once upon a time. The killer for me was Rangers at home, the second of the double-header when Kris Commons was already pronouncing that McInnes was destined for Ibrox. He started Wright for the first time in ages and Scott had a shocker, as did every single one of them, the worst two consecutive matches I have ever seen in over 50 years watching. He's never started him again. Whatever promise he once had may well have been extinguished and if that is the case, it's 100% down to mismanagement. If he can't inspire and develop youth, he's not fit for the job.


I think the club needs a strategy and a set of targets. Something that they can hold McInnes to account for. His strategy is to make sure nothing gets in the way of a 1-0 victory, so no risks will be taken, because he'll lose his job if results don't go. The club needs to force the issue if it sees youth development as a function of our club.

I don't agree with strategies and targets when it comes to player selections. This is football, not a committee in the civil service. A manager should be judged by results but his losing mentality - like Calderwood not believing that he should have been sacked - reckons that coming second is proof of him doing a good job.

It's like he doesn't have to change his mediocrity to keep his job. And whilst I agree with you that his failure to give youth a chance is a major failing, I reckon this season is where it will all cave in. We are the weakest we have ever been under McInnes and getting second spot is NOT going to happen, not by a significant margin. We have been up against even worse teams, very poorly managed in previous years. That's not the case for 2018/19. McInnes MUST change - by recruiting properly, getting more out of his journeymen and giving youth a reasonable crack - and as he is incapable of change (due to his major defects in personality), it WILL go tits up this season.
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Aberdeen Football Club / Re: Dundee V Aberdeen
« Last post by rocket_scientist on Today at 02:58:09 PM »
I think the point is that we don't know as we don't see the young players' attitudes in training. It's useless using Alex Ferguson or some other acclaimed fictional/non-fictional coach as an example.

I just saw a film last night. It contained truths about achievement, truths that are invisible to most because most - even within professional sport - are losers, not winners. The parallels between the ruthless methods of coaching adopted by SAF and this musical teacher (albeit extremely illustrated for fictional purposes) were very relevant to the point I was making.
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