Last Game of a dreadful season Match Thread (Dundee)

[TheDonbytheDee]

Didn't watch it,only know the score.

Not surprised we got beat.

Thankfully, I can put football to one side until July/August.

What a shit season it has been.

[swaddon]

Just now, TheDonbytheDee said:

Didn't watch it,only know the score.

Not surprised we got beat.

Thankfully, I can put football to one side until July/August.

What a shit season it has been.

July. The League Cup starts on the weekend of 11-12th.

[The.Moog]

A fitting end to the season.

Pathetic second half capped by yet another weak as piss goal conceded from a set piece.

Its actually good they’ve reverted to type last 2 games. Last thing we needed was anyone thinking any of these useless cunts were the answer for next year.

You wouldn’t make a case to keep any of them based on that and the season as a whole. I’m pretty sure Robinson’s mind was made up already - and nothing will have changed after that.

9th, in that league, and it probably flatters them tbh.

Fans clapping them off at the end there too - why, just why?

Good luck Robinson, you’re gonna need it.

One positive - that’s it all over thank fuck…

Edited Sunday at 15:10 by The.Moog

[swaddon]

I tell you something, I'm never buying any of Ryan Astley's uncle's records again.

Never gonna let you down, eh?

[ErchiePlum]

4 minutes ago, swaddon said:

I tell you something, I'm never buying any of Ryan Astley's uncle's records again.

Never gonna let you down, eh?

More like his 1991 "hit"

"cry for help"!!!

Still that's it for another season ...a break from fitba.....

Wait a minute

Mon Scotlaaaaaaannnnnndd !

 

 

 

[The.Moog]

Excellent interview from Robinson there.

Spot on, and he didn’t miss them.

He knows what needs done, the question given the scale of the task is will he be able to do it…

[RicoS321]

40 minutes ago, The.Moog said:

Excellent interview from Robinson there.

Spot on, and he didn’t miss them.

He knows what needs done, the question given the scale of the task is will he be able to do it…

I very much doubt it. The biggest question is whether he'll be given time. Also whether he'll be allowed to shift on some of the players on very long contracts, or he'll be forced to try and turn some of them into players.

[Shabungadon]

Desperate stuff, and why do we hoof the ball up in the air when our players are smaller than opponents, all over the park. Who do we keep - not many. Nisbet maybe a goal scorer, but not if he doesn’t get the passes and service, as has been the case all this fking awful season. N.B. we need players playing for the jersey and not sitting back having received a lucrative contract, whatever they produce.

[STFU_Donny]

Thank god that’s over. See you all next season 

[swaddon]

Only eight weeks until it all starts again in the League Cup.

Eight weeks to turn this shower of shite into a team.

I wish Robinson all the luck in the world.

[THFN1983]

The first line up of the league cup phase is sure to be interesting, that's all I can say.

Today was the final nail in many players coffins and I eagerly await the news of players leaving the club. Obviously we'll have to wait until the end of the window to see what we're left with but surely in the next couple of weeks we'll start to see the mass exodus begin!

[Panda]

The League Cup group stage draw is 27 May and will be televised, so get that in the diaries.

 

As for today. Molloy is shite, I don't know why people are so keen to give him a chance. One of the goals, he gives it away, gets back into position, then is outjumped because he can't jump, something that has been evident for some time, and no amount of time will fix that.

Milne surely is one of the guys Robinson alludes to when he criticises the lack of fight and desire? Devlin has that, but isn't the same player he once was. Our defence is hopeless.

The midfield three at times today actually played some decent stuff. Keskinen I thought looked okay more central - he'll battle in there and his through balls are better than his crossing. 

 

Robinson - I don't get the criticism of him this early. He's got more out of this group of charlatans than anyone else has, and more than I thought possible. He's saved us from the ignominy of a play-off. Will judge him next season. 

 

[firphuxachemin]

I take away my initial prediction that Robinson would last until the end end of next season. He'll be gone by christ mas

[dons8321]

1 hour ago, Panda said:

The League Cup group stage draw is 27 May and will be televised, so get that in the diaries.

 

As for today. Molloy is shite, I don't know why people are so keen to give him a chance. One of the goals, he gives it away, gets back into position, then is outjumped because he can't jump, something that has been evident for some time, and no amount of time will fix that.

Milne surely is one of the guys Robinson alludes to when he criticises the lack of fight and desire? Devlin has that, but isn't the same player he once was. Our defence is hopeless.

The midfield three at times today actually played some decent stuff. Keskinen I thought looked okay more central - he'll battle in there and his through balls are better than his crossing. 

 

Robinson - I don't get the criticism of him this early. He's got more out of this group of charlatans than anyone else has, and more than I thought possible. He's saved us from the ignominy of a play-off. Will judge him next season. 

 

Keskinen is like Olasanya (and McLennan) in that his feet are behind what his brain is telling them to do.  Milne at WB was terrible and cost us the first goal, his CB performance wasn't any better.

 Didn't hear any criticism of Robinson in the stands today, maybe it's a social media thing.

 

Edited Sunday at 20:30 by dons8321

[The.Moog]

6 hours ago, Panda said:

As for today. Molloy is shite, I don't know why people are so keen to give him a chance. One of the goals, he gives it away, gets back into position, then is outjumped because he can't jump, something that has been evident for some time, and no amount of time will fix that.

 

Thank the lord!!

Glad to see someone else seeing what I’ve been seeing for ages.

Not big enough, not physical enough, not good enough for this league.

The amount of folk I’ve also seen online today saying he should stay is as baffling as it is worrying. We seem to have a lot of fans that don’t know what a defender looks like.

Totally agree on the comments on the defence, Milne & Robinson too…

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

12 hours ago, ErchiePlum said:

More like his 1991 "hit"

"cry for help"!!!

Still that's it for another season ...a break from fitba.....

Wait a minute

Mon Scotlaaaaaaannnnnndd !

 

 

 

The One Hit Wonder in 1983 from Orange Juice "Rip It Up" (and start again) is the most accurate song associated with this shower of shit.

 

As others have said thank fk that season is finally over.

I just fear that there is not long enough between now and start of the LC group stage for Robinson to get the major overhaul done, and have a vastly improved squad ready to go.

But we live in hope (it is what we do)
Lower our expectations, hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.

Here's to next season and the only way is up ........................................... is it 

[2stars]

5 hours ago, The.Moog said:

Thank the lord!!

Glad to see someone else seeing what I’ve been seeing for ages.

Not big enough, not physical enough, not good enough for this league.

The amount of folk I’ve also seen online today saying he should stay is as baffling as it is worrying. We seem to have a lot of fans that don’t know what a defender looks like.

Totally agree on the comments on the defence, Milne & Robinson too…

Molloy for me is also afraid to take responsibility and play a forward pass- too often turns and plays square pass or. Back to the goalie

accept that sometimes there is little movement but seems afraid to take responsibility 

Milne just looks afraid - and I really wanted the loon to do well, but doesn’t have the heart

[RicoS321]

39 minutes ago, 2stars said:

Molloy for me is also afraid to take responsibility and play a forward pass- too often turns and plays square pass or. Back to the goalie

accept that sometimes there is little movement but seems afraid to take responsibility 

Milne just looks afraid - and I really wanted the loon to do well, but doesn’t have the heart

Both are young lads and will improve. If Milne had someone alongside him barking at him and telling him to go through the ball, he'd soon learn how to use his size and strength properly. Knoester doesn't do that part sadly. A preseason to work on his overall fitness and strength will do him good, and a leader at the back in the door and he'll be an asset.

Molloy is okay as a squad player, backup for left centre half and left back. He's very good at one on one's and positionally pretty decent. He definitely plays within himself as you say, and probably does himself a disservice by not being braver on the ball. Jack MacKenzie was similar until his last couple of seasons. Both are that sort of in-between type, where they aren't fast enough and brave enough to be the overlapping fullback and not big enough to be the centre back that they could be by shying away from the work required. Molloy would benefit massively from being told that he's never going to be a centre back because of his physical attributes and to work his arse off to make the left back spot his own. That will involve him really upping his fitness so he can do the yards up and down the pitch, and working on his bravery on the ball (because he's not a terrible footballer), taking on men and crossing. I don't think he's a worse footballer than MacKenzie was at 23. He's just got to do the work. 

If we're keeping Gyamfi then I'd let Molloy go though, it has to be one or the other. I'd probably prefer Molloy, but Gyamfi would allow us to see more of Frame because he's always injured!

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

Both are young lads and will improve. If Milne had someone alongside him barking at him and telling him to go through the ball, he'd soon learn how to use his size and strength properly. Knoester doesn't do that part sadly.

Maybe a bit harsh on Knoester here but really why the fk did he win our POTY award. 
I know there were really not very many contenders as such and the award should have been scrapped. But it wasn't scrapped and it went to him which really was a weird one in my humble opinion, but hey ho what the fk do I know.

I would not be against keeping both Milne and Molloy (Gyamfi can go) but for sure Milne and Molloy would need a solid leader to play alongside at the heart of our defence and at the moment that is a glaring gap right there that needs to be filled, Along with a shitload of other glaring gaps.

Good luck Robinson you are going to fukin need it min. 
But then again I guess you had a fair idea of the magnitude of the task in hand when you accepted the job, so fair play for appearing to have the balls to give it a go and take it on.
Now get after it and fix it min.

Jist fkn do it 

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, Blow.Up.Sheep said:

Maybe a bit harsh on Knoester here but really why the fk did he win our POTY award. 
I know there were really not very many contenders as such and the award should have been scrapped. But it wasn't scrapped and it went to him which really was a weird one in my humble opinion, but hey ho what the fk do I know.

I would not be against keeping both Milne and Molloy (Gyamfi can go) but for sure Milne and Molloy would need a solid leader to play alongside at the heart of our defence and at the moment that is a glaring gap right there that needs to be filled, Along with a shitload of other glaring gaps.

Good luck Robinson you are going to fukin need it min. 
But then again I guess you had a fair idea of the magnitude of the task in hand when you accepted the job, so fair play for appearing to have the balls to give it a go and take it on.
Now get after it and fix it min.

Jist fkn do it 

He got it for being the least shite player. I'd probably have gone with Nisbet. He's a good footballer, but he's quite weak on crosses. I think that a stronger defender clears out both player and ball for their first yesterday too, although maybe a touch harsh! If we're sticking with Knoester next season, then I'd like to see us move Milne on. I don't think Knoester does anything for Milne really, and I think he has the potential to be a good player, so probably best to move on, to a team that wants to develop him. I also think that Knoester would be very good alongside a strong right sided centre half too, I just think it's one or the other. Especially if we're going for a back four.

[wee toon red]

15 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

He got it for being the least shite player. I'd probably have gone with Nisbet. He's a good footballer, but he's quite weak on crosses. I think that a stronger defender clears out both player and ball for their first yesterday too, although maybe a touch harsh! If we're sticking with Knoester next season, then I'd like to see us move Milne on. I don't think Knoester does anything for Milne really, and I think he has the potential to be a good player, so probably best to move on, to a team that wants to develop him. I also think that Knoester would be very good alongside a strong right sided centre half too, I just think it's one or the other. Especially if we're going for a back four.

Absolutely - if we're going with a four then Knoester could only ever be the ball-playing reader of the game beside a properly aggressive partner. Pairing him with a right-footed version of himself wouldn't solve any of our problems.

On that note, given that we've seen so little of him, I wonder what Tobers' profile is.

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

37 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

He got it for being the least shite player. I'd probably have gone with Nisbet. 

For what it's worth I also thought Nisbet deserved it. He is decent and does appear to actually give a fuk (either that or he is fkn good actor) 
Anyway we move on and start the overhaul and the prep-work for next season, I would not loose any sleep if Knoester is nae here next season, Gyamfi can go as well.
I think we should be keeping Devlin (squad player) and a decent player to pulling off the bench with 15 / 20 minutes to go also keep Shinnie for the same purpose.

Out of starting lineup yesterday I would only be looking to keep 4 out of that 11 
Molloy, Milne, Keskinen and Nisbet and really out of that four only Nisbet would be a guaranteed starter. The other three could be decent squad fillers.
The other 7 starters from yesterday plus the three subs Bilalovic, Milanovic and AfeesHeed can all be shown the door as far as I am concerened.

Holy fkn shit the size of the job facing Robinson and his staff is fkn colossal 

Edited yesterday at 12:14 by Blow.Up.Sheep

[Mentorred]

Thank God that's over. Although I think we might still see some frustrating performances last night as we might not be able to offload a number of the deadwood that needs to go, due to the crazy contracts they were given 

[The.Moog]

15 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Both are young lads and will improve. If Milne had someone alongside him barking at him and telling him to go through the ball, he'd soon learn how to use his size and strength properly. Knoester doesn't do that part sadly. A preseason to work on his overall fitness and strength will do him good, and a leader at the back in the door and he'll be an asset.

Molloy is okay as a squad player, backup for left centre half and left back. He's very good at one on one's and positionally pretty decent. He definitely plays within himself as you say, and probably does himself a disservice by not being braver on the ball. Jack MacKenzie was similar until his last couple of seasons. Both are that sort of in-between type, where they aren't fast enough and brave enough to be the overlapping fullback and not big enough to be the centre back that they could be by shying away from the work required. Molloy would benefit massively from being told that he's never going to be a centre back because of his physical attributes and to work his arse off to make the left back spot his own. That will involve him really upping his fitness so he can do the yards up and down the pitch, and working on his bravery on the ball (because he's not a terrible footballer), taking on men and crossing. I don't think he's a worse footballer than MacKenzie was at 23. He's just got to do the work. 

If we're keeping Gyamfi then I'd let Molloy go though, it has to be one or the other. I'd probably prefer Molloy, but Gyamfi would allow us to see more of Frame because he's always injured!

We could do that of course, but personally I think both are far too limited and just have too many serious flaws in their game, so are just not worth the gamble or effort at this stage considering the mess we are in.

Given what Robinson has said (correctly) about our main weaknesses, I’d be very disappointed to see either playing a major part next season.

I’d much rather we went and signed a proper LB with these attributes - just like the diets & Motherwell did with Milne and Longelo - to compete with Frame.

Same at CH. We need proper solid CH’s who can handle this league and play a bit, like the diets have with Halkett and Findlay or Motherwell with Welsh (need to be asking about his availability).

The players are out there, Hearts & Well have shown that this season, we need to start finding them, and I realise with our recruitment record recently that’s easier said than done…