RicoS321

Just don't read the Sun. He's very easy to avoid.

I agree. He's bottled a lot of big games, but he's good at points' building. He'll do that easily at der hun, just as he did at Aberdeen when he had twice the budget of the next competitor. Lets face it, it's only the incompetent appointment of the Portuguese wank that kept them in third for as long as they were. A couple of signings in January could make a massive difference to them and take them beyond our reach. Obviously they're not going to get close this season, but a wee tidy up and they could do well. However, there's a huge caveat to that in that they have the overwhelming ability to fuck things up for themselves spectacularly, and then build on that with further fucking up until they're completely fucked. The snowball effect of a hun fuck up is a joy to watch.

That'd be disastrous (Collins). As would Lambert in my opinion. I'm not sure why. I think it's basically because he was a fashionable manager in the right place at the right time who seemed to get jobs on the back of his playing reputation before getting more jobs on the back of having the first job. But then I've no real experience of listening to the guy or seeing his teams play. Fuck it, Arild Stavrum. He'll dee.

Boy from DST on the radio shortly ago. Good opportunity to get laid into the BBC, on a plate, but never. Reasonably balanced, that aside. I think there are times to remain quite sanguine, but this wasn't one of them. It doesn't represent the majority of dons fans I dinna think.

Are you suggesting that he was thinking that he'd wait a few weeks until after he'd fucked up the dons' season?

Fair doos, you think that he was offered a deal by Sunderland but turned it down face to face to them. I think that's highly unlikely. Exactly that, feeding stories, de-stabilising. More than likely arguing among themselves (indeed, the BBC report said that there was not unanimous agreement at board level on McInnes). Also getting their AGM (EGM?) out the way so that they could shift loans into equity and so on in order to get funds together. Any level of speculation in the meantime simply serves to reduce McInnes' value and also fuck up Aberdeen on the pitch.

So what was McInnes' agent's function in the Sunderland deal then? If McInnes knew the offer before turning up, then it would have been a done deal. In McInnes' case, we have evidence that he doesn't receive an offer up front and there's no reason for you to suggest he has in this instance. It's about competitive advantage in negotiation and not revealing yer hand. If McInnes' agent finds out the huns are willing to pay £1M a year, but he turns it down and then McLeish's agent talks to him and finds out he's only being offered £750K then there's an issue. The huns have no need whatsoever to tell McInnes anything until he arrives on site. His agent may have informed them of his own (McInnes') rough salary so they have a starting point, but otherwise the huns will get him in a room with his agent and thrash out an agreement. There's simply very little benefit in back-dooring it.

Except you have absolutely no evidence to back that up.

So McInnes was given the details of his Sunderland contract before speaking to them? But he went to talk to them and turned it down...because he didn't like their faces? I couldn't give a crap about the EPL and Van Dijk, we're talking McInnes here. He won't have had a formal offer from the hun, he more than likely will have been asked the question, informally, of whether he had any reason to outright turn it down without an offer. To which he would have replied no, as any sane manager would.

You should put the photos on here and we'll choose for ye. Can't see that causing a problem...

But McInnes has never had any intention of "not going". Why would we expect him to? It's this bit I don't understand. Why do Aberdeen fans expect McInnes not to be interested in hearing what is on offer? Moreover, why should he be forced - by media - to answer a question that has not yet been posed? No manager is not interested in going to a club or not, be it Rangers or anyone else, they can only be interested in an offer of employment with terms and conditions. Nobody ever says "I will never go to club X" unless for weird partisan reasons. He can't say "I'm not interested in the Rangers job" because he has absolutely no idea what that entails at present. Are you - or any other dons fan - genuinely expecting him to say he doesn't want the Rangers job full-stop, regardless of how much money they want to pay him or the transfer budget or future plans? Is that the standard we now hold our managers (and players) to? I think they we're going to be very disappointed in future if so. Did we hold Craig Brown to that same standard when he left Motherwell after saying he was happy there? No we don't know that. All the evidence points to that not being the case. McInnes did not have "informal" discussions with Sunderland. He went there, looked at the offer, and turned it down. Unless you have evidence to the contrary? Did they check to see if he was interested first? Possibly, but it wouldn't have been based on any financial offer, just a quick sounding out. I see no harm if the huns have done similar. The huns absolutely wouldn't be revealing their hand to Deek at any point before formal discussions. That would be stupid on their part and everything about the shambles so far suggests they're nae that stupid.

Interesting. £1.5M in Escrow and they should deal. Anything else tell them to get to fuck. I can see McInnes resigning and it going to tribunal and the huns taking years to pay. The dons need to get properly dirty in this, really stick it to them and make it very public.

Does swiping left not take you to the gays? Or is that a myth I made up?

Chris McLaughlhun was reporting it as thus on the radio this morning. There is no buy out clause in Deek's contract. He also said that "it's safe to say Derek wants to go". However, I expect he has absolutely no idea and is just adding more fuel to the fire, he certainly didn't back that assertion with any evidence, nor was he asked to; once again doing the hun bidding. We should be looking at £1.5M for the pair given length of contract. Baggy, McInnes still hasn't had an offer to turn down. It's not as simple as saying he doesn't want the job there. He's a professional fitba manager with a career and family to think of. At present, he has no idea what's on offer (or we have to assume thus). So, of course he's interested, or at the very least he can't rule out his interest. There are two options for McInnes here: 1. he gets an excellent offer from the hun and he goes. 2. He gets a really shite offer from the hun and stays. I expect McInnes has no idea whether or not offer 1 or 2 will be on the table, so of course he remains interested until such times as he sees that offer. That's the difficulty with the hun situation, nobody really understands what their financial position is and whether or not they can afford him (both in salary terms and transfer funds). I totally agree with your final comment though. However, this was a mess we (AFC) created. We chased the title of second team at all costs in the huns absence. Milne, probably, thinks that the helicopter Sundays' return is fantastic for Scottish fitba. It has huge repercussions for us especially, and more so given our move to a shitehole in the middle of nowhere.

Or they're total dogs.

BBC reporting that there is no buy out value in his contract: i.e. the £800K bollocks is made up shite, probably put out there by der hun to try and force an under-payment. Queue the hysterics when Aberdeen have the audacity to ask for significantly more. Once again, top orchestrating by the BBC and friends.

Fair doos. That makes sense.

That doesn't make sense. If he's interested he's in no position to put our minds at ease. If you don't grudge him his interest, then you can't expect him to put your mind at ease. Your two statements completely conflict, you must have noticed that when you typed them?

Wow. So we're expecting a manager to not be interested in something based on no offer? That's fucking ridiculous. The huns could offer him 3 times his salary and a budget of £10M to spend in January and the summer with written backup. What would he do then? Do we seriously think that a guy - who isn't a rabid Aberdeen fan (like one of us) - would turn that offer down? That doesn't make him a hun, or anything else, just a pragmatic football manager. Or there might be an offer of the same salary as the dons with a small transfer kitty. Would he be a hun for considering the offer briefly before not accepting and staying with us? Again, he has had no offer to turn down, nothing for him to consider. He can't be interested or not interested in something that doesn't exist. Are we that fucking needy that we have to have a manager/player declaring their absolute loyalty to our club at all costs, regardless of any other offers, or they can fuck off? * *aye...

I also agree. Basically, what we're saying is that due to the media and the fans' hysterical reaction to rumour, his position is now untenable. Rangers' best move would be to not make an offer to McInnes. The damage is done, they simply don't need to anymore. Ridiculously, McInnes has no way back with dons fans and, given the recent results, probably isn't really wanted by the hun fans either. At best they'll put in a heavily reduced offer for him this week, at worst they don't move on anyone over the next few weeks and we continue to stumble around. I hope Milne now understands his huge mistake in trying to be the new huns when preventing the 11-1 vote structure changes. There's no level playing field between us and them. There never will be.

But he did find those words. He shut it down two weeks ago. The media chose to resurrect it again. I'm not sure what more he can do.

Fit colour are they? If they're hun-blue then they can get fucked (on Nips' behalf).

Good work on shoe-horning in Kingsford, but you've missed my point. First, he's not saying he's not interested in any vacancies just now, because that would be ridiculous. He has no idea when another job might come up. For example, if he'd come out on the day the previous hun was sacked and said "I'm not interested in any vacancies just now" and then three days later the West Brom job was offered to him, I'm pretty certain he'd have taken it. The point being that as soon as you give a definitive answer to one piece of speculation then you're expected to give a definitive answer to every piece of speculation. Your example doesn't get round that. If you need evidence, look back at the comments on here when McInnes was being touted for the Sunderland job. Everybody was suggesting that he should come out and say whether he would be leaving or not. He kept his mouth shut until an actual offer was made, mulled it over, and then decided to stay. As any professional manager would. Although Donsdaft is obviously correct.

I've mentioned it several times on here, and no-one has come up with a counter argument. McInnes cannot say he is not going. It would be the worst move a manager could make. Just as he didn't when Sunderland were sniffing about. If you say that you're not going this time, then everyone expects you to do the same next time. If he'd said he wasn't going to Sunderland when linked last time, he'd have had to say on day one that he wasn't joining the huns this time. At some point, there will be a team he wants to go to and he'd have to say so, which would cause all sorts of difficulty. He can only say "I don't comment on speculation", because that's what all professional managers do, every time. Same when dealing with purchasing players, or players getting sold/leaving - something we've been very appreciative of in our transfer dealings since he's been here. If he doesn't have that barrier between speculation and truth then he'd be screwed. McInnes' managerial life doesn't end after this one story, he has a long career in management whether that be with us, the hun or someone else. Kris Commons is a thick cunt who clearly hasn't been in that position before to know what to do. Nor is he capable of putting himself in McInnes' position to think it through. Quite simply, the huns have not made an approach yet. McInnes can't possibly know if he'd take the deal or not. There is nothing for him to comment on other than some BBC stories.

I think that's very harsh. McInnes went through a spell last season where we were playing pish and really struggling. He then turned it round and we had one of our best seasons in 20 years, scoring a huge number of goals, getting a record points total and playing some sublime fitba. It's far too easy to forget that, and also to forget that he lost his best players. I disagree with a lot of his shite tactics (yesterday was fine given the choices), but whether I like it or not, he's very much earned his extra time. There were very many on this board who were very happy with the squad McInnes had assembled at the beginning of the season, suggesting that we'd effectively replaced the players we'd lost (I wasn't convinced by the key players such as GMS, Tansey or Arneson) and, as they were in the shape of proven SPL players, it was easy to see why McInnes might have thought so too. Had the board backed him with Moult then I suspect we wouldn't be in this position today. I think we'd be in the Europa league and McInnes wouldn't have had a second thought about the hun. Still, the huns have made no approach at all for our manager and he has re-iterated the chairman's statement that said he wasn't going anywhere (his words - "I re-iterate what the chairman said"...""He has no intention of going anywhere. He loves this club."). It seems to me like a massive exercise in trying to unsettle a club so much that the club have no option but to let the manager go at a reduced price just to bring some sanity back to proceedings. It's been a pretty shameful, BBC orchestrated, shite-show. McInnes shouldn't be held to account for things that are entirely outwith his control. I think the huns will meet the figure, McInnes will talk to them, and he'll turn them down.