RicoS321

Aye, it's a fair point. My thought was that if Ross was coming in that it would be for Wright anyway. With that in mind, I was hoping Wright might get a few starts while GMS is injured to get him hitting a bit of form. Happy for that to be Ross instead, but I thought he was more of a central player.

There was no clause in his contract according to the beeb. The huns would have had to pay whatever the dons ask for or a tribunal if McInnes had resigned. A huge slice of apologetic pie like. When the national broadcaster says things like: "McInnes expected to sign shortly", "it is our understanding that he wants to go" etc etc, it's difficult not to get taken in by that. It really is an absolute disgrace of a situation. Taking 48 hours to consider things and speak to his family is really nae that unreasonable at all when you see it written down! Say what you like about his tactics and so on (I do, regularly), that's phenomenal loyalty. If ye'd said ten years ago that a dons manager would turn down the huns to stay at the dons, you'd have been laughed out of Pittodrie. Is it a sign of how far we've come, or how far they've fallen? Well done Milne. Keeping those photaes of McInnes and Ash Taylor's wife really paid off.

Returning customer?

Welcome aboard. Disagree. We're nae huns. Having them here shouldn't stop us calling them out and completely going full pelt at them for their despicable reporting; especially the BBC in this case. Name individual journalists and really attack them where it's due. The shite-rags can print what they like, they're barely literate anyway. We don't stand up for ourselves, which in this instance has been the biggest problem. We should have slaughtered McLaughlan for his shite stirring hun-bidding in recent weeks, and that needed to happen at a level above McInnes. Banning is for people who are stupid to put their case across forcefully enough, or have got some sort of insecurity due to past guilt (see: the huns). We're better than that.

Their losses are generally - now - due to player and manager purchases though, which is where the soft loans come in. If they stopped, then they just wouldn't be able to fund signings rather than go bust (at present). Their wages to turnover ratio is still pretty decent I believe (maybe even better than ours?). Given they have no hostile investors, and their existing loans have been converted to equity, there isn't the facility for them to go bust unless they miss the top 6 or something of that ilk. The huns don't need £20M to challenge the tims, they just need more points. If they picked up one win against the tims in a season, they could still easily mount a challenge by winning a massive majority of the other games. Something McInnes is pretty decent at. Hopefully double agent McInnes will put in big 6 figure offers for Tansey and Maynard in January.

Lennon would never come here from hibs, why would he? Anyway, decent in some big games, but he's had some pretty pap results against pish too. Also a bit of a liability with his mouthiness. I don't think Ross would be amazing, think he's a bit too weak. He certainly was as a player. Intelligent guy though, and we certainly need someone with a brain. Wouldn't be averse to it, and would certainly be better than some of the dross that will inevitably be linked. Expect to see Milne appointing Sacky McNamara before the week's out though given his general fuckwittery in the manager markets.

The soft loans aren't covering running costs as far as I'm aware. That's the season tickets. Of which they have plenty. Their prize winning costs are predictable so their budgeting can be fairly solid. Soft loans only really being required when they have to boot another manager.

They have zero debt. If individuals want to pour their own money in they absolutely can. That won't bankrupt anything. It would take a brave hun to call in his debts and force liquidation. They can run at a profit easily within a season, or at least at a manageable loss. There's no bank available to force the hun into debt repayment and, by the looks of things, no obvious spiv to load on a heap more debt from elsewhere. In those terms, they're actually doing okay.

Interesting one. Dundee playing okay at the moment. Hopefully we'll turn them over with a bit more freedom now that the players are certain that their manager won't be there. Need our more experienced players like Shinnie to drag us through this one. Be interesting to see if there is any tinkering with the line up. I don't think Ross or Harvie did quite enough to start, so I'd see a similar line up to last weekend with Christie coming back in for May. Out, watching on TV etc etc.

Just don't read the Sun. He's very easy to avoid.

I agree. He's bottled a lot of big games, but he's good at points' building. He'll do that easily at der hun, just as he did at Aberdeen when he had twice the budget of the next competitor. Lets face it, it's only the incompetent appointment of the Portuguese wank that kept them in third for as long as they were. A couple of signings in January could make a massive difference to them and take them beyond our reach. Obviously they're not going to get close this season, but a wee tidy up and they could do well. However, there's a huge caveat to that in that they have the overwhelming ability to fuck things up for themselves spectacularly, and then build on that with further fucking up until they're completely fucked. The snowball effect of a hun fuck up is a joy to watch.

That'd be disastrous (Collins). As would Lambert in my opinion. I'm not sure why. I think it's basically because he was a fashionable manager in the right place at the right time who seemed to get jobs on the back of his playing reputation before getting more jobs on the back of having the first job. But then I've no real experience of listening to the guy or seeing his teams play. Fuck it, Arild Stavrum. He'll dee.

Boy from DST on the radio shortly ago. Good opportunity to get laid into the BBC, on a plate, but never. Reasonably balanced, that aside. I think there are times to remain quite sanguine, but this wasn't one of them. It doesn't represent the majority of dons fans I dinna think.

Are you suggesting that he was thinking that he'd wait a few weeks until after he'd fucked up the dons' season?

Fair doos, you think that he was offered a deal by Sunderland but turned it down face to face to them. I think that's highly unlikely. Exactly that, feeding stories, de-stabilising. More than likely arguing among themselves (indeed, the BBC report said that there was not unanimous agreement at board level on McInnes). Also getting their AGM (EGM?) out the way so that they could shift loans into equity and so on in order to get funds together. Any level of speculation in the meantime simply serves to reduce McInnes' value and also fuck up Aberdeen on the pitch.

So what was McInnes' agent's function in the Sunderland deal then? If McInnes knew the offer before turning up, then it would have been a done deal. In McInnes' case, we have evidence that he doesn't receive an offer up front and there's no reason for you to suggest he has in this instance. It's about competitive advantage in negotiation and not revealing yer hand. If McInnes' agent finds out the huns are willing to pay £1M a year, but he turns it down and then McLeish's agent talks to him and finds out he's only being offered £750K then there's an issue. The huns have no need whatsoever to tell McInnes anything until he arrives on site. His agent may have informed them of his own (McInnes') rough salary so they have a starting point, but otherwise the huns will get him in a room with his agent and thrash out an agreement. There's simply very little benefit in back-dooring it.

Except you have absolutely no evidence to back that up.

So McInnes was given the details of his Sunderland contract before speaking to them? But he went to talk to them and turned it down...because he didn't like their faces? I couldn't give a crap about the EPL and Van Dijk, we're talking McInnes here. He won't have had a formal offer from the hun, he more than likely will have been asked the question, informally, of whether he had any reason to outright turn it down without an offer. To which he would have replied no, as any sane manager would.

You should put the photos on here and we'll choose for ye. Can't see that causing a problem...

But McInnes has never had any intention of "not going". Why would we expect him to? It's this bit I don't understand. Why do Aberdeen fans expect McInnes not to be interested in hearing what is on offer? Moreover, why should he be forced - by media - to answer a question that has not yet been posed? No manager is not interested in going to a club or not, be it Rangers or anyone else, they can only be interested in an offer of employment with terms and conditions. Nobody ever says "I will never go to club X" unless for weird partisan reasons. He can't say "I'm not interested in the Rangers job" because he has absolutely no idea what that entails at present. Are you - or any other dons fan - genuinely expecting him to say he doesn't want the Rangers job full-stop, regardless of how much money they want to pay him or the transfer budget or future plans? Is that the standard we now hold our managers (and players) to? I think they we're going to be very disappointed in future if so. Did we hold Craig Brown to that same standard when he left Motherwell after saying he was happy there? No we don't know that. All the evidence points to that not being the case. McInnes did not have "informal" discussions with Sunderland. He went there, looked at the offer, and turned it down. Unless you have evidence to the contrary? Did they check to see if he was interested first? Possibly, but it wouldn't have been based on any financial offer, just a quick sounding out. I see no harm if the huns have done similar. The huns absolutely wouldn't be revealing their hand to Deek at any point before formal discussions. That would be stupid on their part and everything about the shambles so far suggests they're nae that stupid.

Interesting. £1.5M in Escrow and they should deal. Anything else tell them to get to fuck. I can see McInnes resigning and it going to tribunal and the huns taking years to pay. The dons need to get properly dirty in this, really stick it to them and make it very public.

Does swiping left not take you to the gays? Or is that a myth I made up?

Chris McLaughlhun was reporting it as thus on the radio this morning. There is no buy out clause in Deek's contract. He also said that "it's safe to say Derek wants to go". However, I expect he has absolutely no idea and is just adding more fuel to the fire, he certainly didn't back that assertion with any evidence, nor was he asked to; once again doing the hun bidding. We should be looking at £1.5M for the pair given length of contract. Baggy, McInnes still hasn't had an offer to turn down. It's not as simple as saying he doesn't want the job there. He's a professional fitba manager with a career and family to think of. At present, he has no idea what's on offer (or we have to assume thus). So, of course he's interested, or at the very least he can't rule out his interest. There are two options for McInnes here: 1. he gets an excellent offer from the hun and he goes. 2. He gets a really shite offer from the hun and stays. I expect McInnes has no idea whether or not offer 1 or 2 will be on the table, so of course he remains interested until such times as he sees that offer. That's the difficulty with the hun situation, nobody really understands what their financial position is and whether or not they can afford him (both in salary terms and transfer funds). I totally agree with your final comment though. However, this was a mess we (AFC) created. We chased the title of second team at all costs in the huns absence. Milne, probably, thinks that the helicopter Sundays' return is fantastic for Scottish fitba. It has huge repercussions for us especially, and more so given our move to a shitehole in the middle of nowhere.

Or they're total dogs.

BBC reporting that there is no buy out value in his contract: i.e. the £800K bollocks is made up shite, probably put out there by der hun to try and force an under-payment. Queue the hysterics when Aberdeen have the audacity to ask for significantly more. Once again, top orchestrating by the BBC and friends.