Garlogie_Granite

There is ONE roundabout, plus the temporary one under the AWPR flyover.

<<<<<The clue is in my username. Yes, traffic is bad, thoguh even during rush hour, by 9am and by 6pm traffic is normal. And of course, there's nothing like the traffic for a fitba match that there is during rush hour. So fit's the issue?

Oxford has as near as makes no difference, banned cars. Kingsford is at the crossroads of two dual carraigeways. po-tay-to / po-tah-to

Have some Simmies

Will do, it'll be August, just getting prepared

Will be dragging some unsuspecting guffy relatives around a distillery in the summer, what in your opinion is the best? Only ever done Glenmorangie, and it's too far away. Had Strathisla & Glenfiddich suggested, Glenfiddich seems un-child friendly, and there will be a toddler along for the ride.

Breathtaking arrogance. So any public space is ok to lose, but a landfill park with no discernable value is an awful choice. Incredible. And "lining the pockets" of the brothers whose land it is, and who (with their father before them) have farmed it longer than I've been alive, and whose value is very small due to, you know, it being nothing more than landfill, is hardy the "private few". Again, you fail to back up your claim that the council are offering a specific alternative site. Your new claim that they've been offered a host of others sites is also nothing but hyperbole.

Ah so, there's nothing on the table from ACC, which is what you alluded to? Kings Links has been ruled out due to cost and size.

You've told us you know the location offered by ACC, please spill the beans

Going out in the city is not the same as "wanting" to be in the city, they're out in the city because that's where the stadium is. I'd be astonished if this accounted for more than half of all fans. Plenty don;t go to pubs at all, those that do will find new places to drink in, or drink in town and get a bus/lift.

There's a ton of future in that, you won't lose a single shire fan, plus it will without doubt bring fans who rarely if ever go because now they don't have to navigate all the way through town and then out again with heavy post-match traffic. The Core support is not walkers. 55% of STs go to city dwellers, ALL city dwellers. I'd bet you're lucky if 1000 fans actually walk to the game solely, and not having first got a bus/car/train into the city. As I said before, you've large areas of the city where they'll actually be better off, so again if anything you're likely to see an uptick in support from those areas too. So that just leaves the city centre/King st/Seaton locales as foot soldiers. Yes some will go never to return, but plenty will keep going to games. The upside is ease of access for the whole shire, and half or more of the city.

oh Heather

[1] Yes they are, that's how the analysis works, if you're in the city, then it's counted as being in the city. Which 2, for accuracies sake, are harder then? [2] Who? Who is going to the football, but has to be in the city first? I've never met one of these 'AFC fans'? [3] Nearly 33% of our crowd dropping off cos of what? Half our fans come from Aberdeen, ALL of Aberdeen, some of those are in wealking distance of the stadium, lets be generous to you considering the size of aberdeen, and say that means 25% walk. You're now saying that more than the walkers will not go to Kingsford when people will find it easier? Wise up. [4]Well you're talking to one. In an office of four, one being a woman, my colleague (who lives in Westhill) is thinking he'll get a ST when the ground moves, and yet now only ever goes if he gets a corporate off a client. Yes that's hearsay and anecdotal, but hey, it's harder facts than what you're coming up with.

Apologies my fellow AFC fans for quoting this again, but I'd missed this from Heather's earlier post, does anyone know anyone that calls themselves an "AFC fan"? Who on earth does that except an imposter, a non-football fan, indeed a non-AFC fan

To be fair to you, it's oft been said that Man Utd's Carrington is indeed just like Sheddocksley

You didnt even read and think there did you? Only a small percentage of the current half of our fanbase will be disadvantaged. We're starting from a point where 50% (all the tuechters) will be better off. Then many of the other 50% will be better off travel wise or no difference, think Dyce, Bucksburn, Sheddocksley, Mastrick, Northfield, Hazelhead, Culter, Cults, Milltimber, Bieldside, Garthdee, Cove. So yes, those in central Aberdeen, Seaton, Linksfield, Tilly, Bridge of Don, yes those guys will be worse off, they've had it good forever, they have no devine right to be able to (almost) walk to every home game. Let's assume all of the former groups still go - because why wouldnt they now when it's easier to get to? Let's also assume that most of the latter group still go - because they're dons fans, but there will be a drop off. Now where does the gain come - from all over the hinterland,because like me, those who do actually have a decent commute to make to get to "Pittodrie" will suddenly have a much reduced travel, whereas those on the king st area (the "worst affected") will have the massive 6 mile journey to make that they previously didn't. The upside is massive, the downside is small. Best location was Bellfield, but the Kingswells NIMBYs blew that up 15 years ago, don't let the Westhill W.A.N.K.S. do the same!!!

That's the bloody point ffs! :hammer: :hammer: >

It's a nonsensical argument ED, it's assuming that for every fan being possibly inconvenienced, there is no-one who will be advantaged. It's been the argument behind nearly every anti-mover since this possibility first emerged, and has been adopted by the W.A.N.K.S latterly. What it surely willfully ignores, is those who are now convenienced by this change, I'm one such recipient, as a country loon, I've never held a ST, I don't make every game, and one of the reasons is the horrible location of Pittodrie, some days you just don't want to go through toon and suffer the search for a parking spot, and then the fight to get back across King Street to get home again afterwards (especially midweek games as I'm an early riser). Move to Kingsford and I will proudly buy my first ever season ticket, hell, I'll be first in the bloody queue! Large areas of Aberdeen will find getting to Kingsford much easier than getting to Pittodrie, and everyone in the country will, everyone, bar none, from the south you take the AWPR and never hit the city, from the north you hit the AWPR at Balmedie and never hit the city, from the A96 you get onto the AWPR at Craibstone and never have to suffer the slog along Auchmill Rd & Great Northern Rd, and from Deeside/Donside, you get to Westhill, and stop, the end, sheer bliss. So yes, personally I'm a huge beneficiary, but trust me, if I thought it would hurt the club, I'd be fully against this, because the last thing we need after 19 years of decline, is for the subsequent three years of resurgence to go backwards due to the building of a white elephant. But I don't believe it will be, I honestly believe that building somewhere that has great transport access will address Aberdeen's long standing sore - why cant we get the crowds that our success at various stages merits? - and that's because Pittodrie has always been in the wrong place.

My apologies, I recognise your style now, welcome to the forum Heather, you'll know me from our frequent emails of late. Well, forgive me here, but having lived all my life in the area, there's a cycle lane, a pavement, and a fucking dual carriageway running right along the edge of the landfill field that is the site of the new stadium. Right up to the fence in that field. It couldn't be more accessible by all modes of transport as far as sites in the north east goes. "we", it's "we" when talking about "us", unless of course thats an unintended slip in your cunning disguise? And yes "you" can just do that, it's what nearly every town in the country does, except Aberdeen, it's why even a financially crippled (in comparison) Dundee has been so innovative and forward looking, while Aberdeen has a well deserved reputation as NIMBY city. Aye, some fan you eh? It's funny, you know so much about forums, and yet are nowhere on any of them until yesterday, when you signed up to vent your pro-W.A.N.K.S. and anti-Dons agenda, some would say that's suspicious, but not me, I'm sure you;re a fan really. Anyway, about that "well known bit of land that ACC are donating", care to expand, because nobody knows anything about it?

I had no idea, I shun buses.

Kingsford is brownfield, it's landfill, it's never used as arable land, it's cheap. kings Links doesnt just have land, it has a large driving range to be bought out and demolition costs, plus the huge cost of stabilising the sand base.

and this is a negative how?

Because if you park at kingswells, you're still over 4 miles from the city centre, 20 minutes on the bus, and then of course 20 minute walk to Pittodrie. On weekdays, is the bus taking you where you even want to go? Conversely, people going the other way will be parked 20 minutes walk away, or they take the P&E bus that final mile, which is considerably different.

Utter fabrication which is why 100% Anti Kingsford Charlie Love did a runner as soon as it was questioned.