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I wouldn't say so.  He was very hit or miss at Aberdeen.  In the end he left Aberdeen after a very up and down spell, had a brief stint in Saudi Arabia and then ended up back in Morocco.

 

If he'd been as good as some folk used to say, he'd have got a gig in Spain or England, or somewhere like that, after leaving Aberdeen.

 

With Zerouali, there were occassional flashes of brilliance... but that's all they ever were.  There was never a sustained spell of good form.  If he was any better than average, he'd have dominated the SPL.  In reality, he was nowhere near that level.

Let's not let common sense get in the way here 

poorly said

You're reight. Classing Zero as average was probably pretty generous.

 

What part about MOTM?

 

Agger is not to blame. If that's honestly a foul then there should be 50 penalties in every game. It's a fucking contact sport and the contact made wasn't nearly enough to send Berbatov to the deck. Which is how he managed an extra couple of steps before hitting the deck. If you think that's anything other than a dive then it's maybe you that needs to take the tinted specs off. It's fast getting to the point where you can't make contact with anyone in their penalty box. If you ask me that's fucking bollocks whether it goes for my teams or against my teams.

 

My view of the tackle is irrelevant as it's the penalty that we're disagreeing on. The tackle deserved a red and that's what it got. End of.

What are you on about "What part about MOTM"? Are you ignoring previous comments?

Of course Agger is to blame. While Berbatov went down very easily whether Agger pushed him or not it's incredibly foolish to place your arms on an attackers back anywhere on the pitch never mind in the box.

What tinted specs? What did Aberdeen gain from Man Utd winning a penalty?

No, we're also disagreeing on the part where you said "I can't really argue about Gerrard's red card. Although no more "dangerous" than Rafael's two footed tackle on Meireles seconds earlier.".

Laudrup, Gascoigne, Zerouali, Larsson, Lee Miller and Moravcik were brilliant

 

paul hartley has never been, in those terms

Outstanding

Brilliant

Good, if could be bothered

Average

Technically Miller is a much better player than Vernon but Vernon has the strikers knack of being in the right place at the right time. If we can get the creative players in our team firing on all cylinders then what Vernon offers will far outweigh what Miller could and did.

 

I'll thank you for not telling me when I have and haven't complained. 

 

I despise diving. There's no doubt Gerrard's taken a few tumbles. But that's got fuck all to do with the fact that Berbatov dived and won a penalty to win the match. I don't like seeing Gerrard dive.

 

The clips include some pretty clear fouls too. The one in the CL final for example. Rino clearly catches his foot whilst he's traveling quite fast right in front of goal? Why would he dive when he could have slotted it into the net if he stayed on his feet? Anyway. I'm not saying Gerrard's an angel.

I didn't edit the video. The only one I wouldn't agree with is the CL one. The rest are dives/on par with Berbatov.

I'd say the blame lies more with Agger than it does with Berbatov.

You're supporting your team and fair play for that but I think you're being more than slightly biased considering you said Gerrard's tackle was no more dangerous than Rafael's.

The part about the motm was tongue in cheek.

Big Consi was injured for quite a while during that time . . . .

Take your pic.

Huge difference being that Rafael had control of his body throughout, and actually pulled out of it although it did look as though he thought about it. Meireles wasn't in any danger was he as Rafael's studs were always pointing at the ground? 

 

Not sure how you can say a challenge where someone has not left the ground in the manner Gerrard did is just as dangerous as Gerrard's where he came a couple of feet off the ground and flying into another player with absolutely no control over his body.

Exactly.

He's a Liverpool fan though and probably hasn't complained in games where Gerrard and Torres have won motm after diving for penalties. Pot, kettle, black as far as I'm concerned.

So in what way did he hit the nail on the head? Not disputing your version but on the other hand, read Duncan Shearer's book and he referred to not liking a manager. Says he scored 20 + goals.

 

Surely when your on the park all that stuff goes out the window, again I do think some players didn't like McGhee but can be sure some won't take to Brown/Knox over time as well, are we forever to be lumbered in lower league obscurity as a result?

Didn't like the way he managed. Didn't like him personally but as I said that wasn't the problem. He just didn't think he was a good manager.

This isn't one of the players who has been roundly criticised or been pulled up for a lack of effort either.

I think people need to get past this idea that it's a mystery that players didn't try under McGhee and now they are working hard for Brown. Surely that's the difference between a good manager and a bad one. Players are not neutral machines who should be able to perform regardless of who is managing them, otherwise why bother having a manager. The fact is they respond to the leadership they are shown and McGhee clearly wasn't providing any. Why make that the players problem ? You can get all upset about some sort of betrayal all you like but the fact is the manager is responsible for getting the best from a player and Brown appears to be succeeding where McGhee failed. It's not Maguires responsibility to deal with that.

I'm friendly with a member of the first team and I'd say you've hit the nail on the head there.

Was talking to him on Saturday night and asked him how things were and he said "it's better". I asked him if he had liked it under McGhee and he said no but he personally never had problems with him, just didn't like him as a manager.

calm down

 

Hartley has never been BRILLIANT

 

also hate the way youre making it out as if i dont like the guy

Hartley has never been brilliant, like one of the best players in Scotland?

well said

Massive difference between being a player who was formerly brilliant, still has it but can't manage 38 games a season yet for ninety minutes will make himself seen and heard and be the mouthpiece the team needs and being a player who can do magical things with a ball but  only when you can be arsed. If your team mates doesn't pass you're prone to have a massive strop yet have the cheek to try ridiculous shots from all angles with about 1 in 10 resulting in a game.

Each to their own though.

Gerrards two footed lunge is a red card all day long. When you go in two feet and off the ground, it's dangerous, reckless and can easily end someone's career. Anyone who claims that it was just a yellow or Webb shouldn't have sent him off is deluded IMHO.

Definitely. He's got previous.

What cracks me up is Liverpool have two of the biggest divers going (Gerrard and Torres) and there are videos online to prove this yet they get really upset over Berbatov going down easily.

Very soft penalty but it's amdness to even give an opponent the opportunity to do that.

How ANYONE (and plenty of Liverpool fans on my facebook, Robo aside. Also the online newspaper comments) don't see that as a red card is beyond me.

I said to Robo yesterday that in front of the Kop I reckon the ref would have given a penalty to Liverpool too.

They seem to forget the referee didn't give a penalty to Man Utd that looked like one too.

Saw The Expendables on the flight last week. Ful of cliches, obvious plot, typical in-depth acting from the leads (basically playing their usual characters).........

 

Great fun to waste 2 hours of an 8 hour flight

Where you gone like?

Joe Hart bottled that there!

Sol Bamba has been very unlucky not to score a hat trick today!

Being just slightly too young to see Rougvie in the flesh for us, I was delighted to see him play against the huns in the Masters Tournament several years ago at Braehead Arena.

Hateley was lording it there, lapping up the spastics appreciation everytime he touched the ball.  He rather stupidly went wide towards the hoardings and big Doug followed, Hateley got the ball and tried to turn him, Doug just stood there and Hateley clattered into the boards before falling on his face.

 

He stood up, looking to square up, Rougvie just stood there laughing at him.  No Dons player went up.  Several huns went up to pull Hateley away.  And the vision of big Rougvie pointing at hateley and saying "I'll fucking have you" will stay with me for a long time.  Hateley gave a matey laugh to Rougvie.. about ten seconds later the ball came to Hateley and big Doug cemented him. We celebrated as if we'd just won the league.

 

Small pleasures, eh?

Ha ha ha that's brilliant Bobby.

Forgot two other reasons for my intense dislike of Liverpool. 

 

Sammy Lee.

 

Every time ITV show one of their games they get Jim Beglin on to commentate.  I think he may be up there with the most biased ever.

Where's that faces you'd like to punch thread?!?!?!

 

The above pic is being used for the Guardian's Minute By Minute report of the Utd-Liverpool game and someone emailed into them to ask "who is the large breasted player standing behind Dalglish in your picture?"

 

And, as I suspected...

 

"The player featured in the lead photo and referred to as large breasted in your coverage is - I think - the one and only Doug Rougvie - known as the beast of Stamford Bridge throughout the second half of the 1980s," writes Peter Dickinson. "He was a former Aberdeen star under Ferguson, if I remember rightly, and the kind of ridiculously violent footballer which the game sadly lacks today. He could also play a bit and was generally a hero from an era when Chelsea were actually a team rather than an oligarch's yacht club deposit."

 

Aye, me too. "Where were you in Istanbul?" etc. Just gave Skrtl a ticket to get back in there too.

That was lovely.

They said Dalgleish applauded him off so he won't be annoyed at how he played.

Kenny probably realises that Torres is the one player (Gerrard aside) he'll need firing on all cylinders if Liverpool are to actually do something this season.

Ha ha ha Torres is coming off as they will need him for Blackpool. they also think at times he's worked hard.

What?!

Three and easy for 'well. Pretty impressive performance and result.

Does McCall look like he'll be a good manager for us?