BigRed

Unfortunately there's no way in hell McGhee will turn this around. The player's don't want to play for him, he's unable to inspire them and quite simply everybody associated with AFC is blankly going through the motions. The team is on a downward spiral that can only be ended by the inevitable sacking of the manager....the question is will the board have the guts to do it ? We won't win another game this season and it's unthinkable that we can allow McGhee the opportunity to drag us into the 1st division next season....which he will if he's still manager.

For clubs like Aberdeen and Motherwell, it's all about getting the maximum out of the players you have available in the shortest possible time. Brown seems to be able to do it, McGhee has failed spectacularly. This thing about 'transition' and 'not McGhee's team' is a complete red herring. McGhee was hired to build on the foundations already there and to hopefully improve on them.....not to run the team into the ground.

That's a valid point. Those staying away are obviously doing it because of the results on the pitch...that's the bottom line. I suppose it's a personal opinion as to whether you feel McGhee is completely to blame/is partly responsible/is not to blame for the shambles. I've nothing personal against McGhee. I just happen to feel that if you're a football fan for any length of time it's reasonably easy to spot a manager who can get things right, and one who just has no chance of ending the downward spiral of failure. Burley with Scotland was the classic example, and I'm afraid that McGhee is another one. He simply has hardly done a thing right since day one, and the point is rapidly approaching where it's so obvious that he's a liability that the club will have no option but to sack him.

I'll ignore the first part since 40 years of supporting the club through thick and thin gives me the right to post what I want. Cheers. I never knew that our utterly fcking awful form was down to me not posting 'McGhee is great'. Here was me mistakenly thinking it was due to piss-poor man management skills, rubbish team selection, and baffling tactics. Well, that's me told.

I've got no idea where Neil McDougall pulls the '80% of Dons fans are behind McGhee' quote from. Attendances, both home and away have plummeted and will continue to plummet this season. I know for a fact that some supporters clubs have cancelled buses simply because there's no more interest, and it seems unlikely that these clubs will run buses again this season. People are drifting away from Aberdeen in droves and quite a few supporters clubs will struggle to remain viable under these circumstances. There's absolutely no evidence at all that McGhee is capable of making these players into a cohesive unit.....and like it or lump it, or moan about the players or whoever......that's McGhee's job. The sense of utter apathy that's settled over everybody connected with AFC is equal to or worse than when Paterson was steering our team into oblivion, and to say that 80% of Dons fans are somehow behind McGhee with everything above happening somehow beggars belief. Almost everybody just wants this season finished with, but if there aren't significant changes in the summer and if we start off next season like we finished this one, then McGhee will be a gonner by September.......maybe some Dons fans are hoping against hope that things will improve, but even the most trusting aren't going to give this clown another season to run our club into the 1st Division.

Despite having a piss-poor playing surface, a small and inexperienced squad, and despite taking them over when they were worse off than the Dons.....Craig Brown is pretty much an example of everything that McGhee isn't. He's organised, a good tactician, gets the best out of his players, is respected in the game, and knows when to keep his mooth shut and not to make a fool out of himself. We made a mistake not going for him rather than a buffoon who isn't big enough for the job, who has lost the confidence of the players, is tactically lacking, and who blames everybody and everything for his own failings.

At least Ifil's found his level.

Kerr was arguably our best player last season. Despite making him captain, McGhee has been completely unable to use him correctly this season and get anything much from him at all. He'll leave in the summer and he'll be replaced...at the last second in an act of desperation....by someone from the reserve side of an English 3rd division team or a unwanted 19 year old from an obscure European club. And our club will slip ever closer to relegation.

With the possible exception of the United game, there's no way we'll get more than 7.000 in any home game remaining this season....the split could even see gates of 5-6.000 or lower. Even the Arab game will only draw around 9K, and then only because they'll bring 1.500 or so. It's pathetic, and anybody and everybody connected with the club seem to be completely unable to stop it. I also reckon season ticket sales for next season will be the worst in over 30 years.

I'd rather have the Dungster as captain than Kerr. At least he looks like he gives a shit. One of the few, along with Mackie and Foster.

Aside from Pawlett and Fyvie, Foster is the only player that hasn't gone backwards under McGhee. Rickardinho, I like him. Not the most talented, but a good attitude.

Da da da da da daaa Charlie Mulgrew Da da da da da daaa Charlie Mulgrew

Fairy nuff. I should have added of course, 'under the present financial circumstances'. Kerr had a good season last year and hasn't become a bad player overnight. I suspect the captaincy and the fact that McGhee is playing him out his comfort zone (he obviously gets nose bleeds if he crosses the half-way line) have been the telling factors in such a poor current season. Every man and his sheep knows that Mulgrew is at his best as a midfielder....he's a round peg being pushed into a square hole at centre-half but McGhee is persisting with it due to Considine's injury and the form of the woeful Ifil. I'll give you that I wouldn't be unduly concerned if we lost McDonald, but I still have this nagging feeling that he has the potential to be a good player in the right position with the right players around him. Put it this way, it's pie in the sky to think that McGhee will be able to replace these 3 with players of similar or better quality. He's shown little or no initiative in the transfer market, and his utterings about future budgets and general negative comments should have us all preparing for last gasp desperation raids on the the English 3rd division to pick up untries youngsters or haddies like Ifil. In short, I fear McGhee is a manager out of his depth who given time, will put together a squad out of their depth. For God's sake, we have players. It's his job to get them playing.

Blaming all of this shambles on the players is an absolute cop out IMHO. Langfield, Diamond, Considine, Mulgrew, Kerr, Aluko, and probably even McDonald and Foster would be accepted in most any side in the SPL outside the OF. Within any group of players...any group in any company in fact....you'll have the hard-workers, the lazy, the talented, the moody, the chirpy, the moaning, the young, the experienced. It's the managers job to weld these people together to make a good outfit based on their own unique talents and abilities. A good manager can get a team together that excedes the sum of it's own parts. A poor manager will end up with a group that is confused, demoralised and bewildered. I see absolutely nothing in McGhee that suggests he's a good manager for Aberdeen. On top of that, it's crazy to suggest we can somehow have a clear out of 'disliked' players and replace them with players of equal or better ability or character.....we can't. McGhee's already shown that his judgement in the transfer market is flawed, and I'll be f*cked if I want my team to end up being full of useless cast-offs like Ifil, Grassi, Nelson and Marshall. They're not Aberdeen quality, and never will be. We should be pulling the stops out to get Mulgrew, Kerr and McDonald to stay, and to get a manager who can actually manage.

It's sadly the way of football though. When things go badly wrong you can't sack the players, you change the manager. As pointed out, 8 of these players were involved in us finishing 4th last season. Do we honestly believe that they've suddenly, deliberately made a group decision to stop trying a leg ? They look demoralised, shot of confidence and confused. Anybody watch Scotland under Vogts and Burley ? Watching Aberdeen just now is exactly the same.....Burley managed to turn the group of players that beat France twice and almost knocked Italy out into a confused group of halfwits. McGhee has done the same to this group of players.

Possibly, but it isn't going to happen. All this talk of losing Langfield, Mulgrew, Kerr, McDonald, Aluko etc and somehow replacing them with better players is ludicrous. These players may very well leave, but we'll replace them with bottom of the barrel sh*te from English 2nd division teams, and we'll continue to go backwards until we evntually get relegated in a season or two. I'd prefer to get a manager who can get these players to play football. In all honesty at this moment in time I'd happily accept Calderwood back.

Apparently a few days is a long time in football, as McGhee now acknowledges we are in a relegation battle. At least he's got one thing right.

I would accept that if it was anything more than blind hope fighting against screaming realism. Regardless of our financial situation, it's McGhee's job to get the best out of what is a reasonably talented group of players. With the exception of about 5 or 6 games from 30 this season, he simply hasn't done that....and just as worryingly there's absolutely no sign at all that he can turn things around. As I said on another thread, anybody that's watched football for any length of time can spot a manager that's failed and has lost the players and fans. Every aspect of McGhee's tenure at the moment screams failure. And with every respect, to compare things to Fergie at United is plainly ridiculous.

I agree, we don't. However, all the signs are that McGhee is incapable of getting this group of players to consistently pick up points. I'd prefer for AFC to take decisive action now rather than wait for McGhee to drag this team down further while we're humming and hawing.

I've got no idea what you mean, so I'll say 'no'. This is got Steve Patterson written all over it. I'd quite happily stuff McGhee in the boot of a car and drive him out of Pittodrie just now.

We've all watched football for a long time. Love him or hate him, everything surrounding McGhee shows the classic signs of a man incapable of turning this around, and to allow him to inflict further damage will put us in serious danger of relegation. The next humiliation in the post is in the next week or 2 when Calderwood's Kilmarnock overtake us in the league. He's lost the players and he's more or less lost the fans. I'd rather get rid off him now than extend this pain until the end of the season.