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Anyone remember Seinfeld and 'George' and his imaginary House in the Hamptons?
Delusion that he has some fancy place but in reality he has been lying about his finances for years. Everyone calls his bluff until he finally breaks down in tears and admits its all a myth. But everyone knew that anyway and nobody was fooled.
Pretty soon George Yule is going to have to face the truth about Kingsford. No more fake news. I wonder if there will be tears.
Yeah, I wonder how Charlie Allan at the EE is going to help Dod Yule with that one........
Still intent on adding nothing relevant to this then?
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Anyone not for Kingsford is and has been labelled 'sentimental' or has 'head in the sand' or like on here is 'not a Dons fan'.
Actually they haven't, this has been pointed out to you again and again, still hasn't sunk in from the looks of things though...
There have also been plenty rational arguments for and against kingsford too, sadly none from you yet.
Anything sensible to add? Or you just going to drone on about sentimentality and the fictional offer of land?
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Nope, it was 3.4 miles form the train station uphill, which is why I was against it too. A station at Altens would have helped mind you. It was equally as accessible by vehicle as Kingsford (given both would/will have been completed post bypass). If a station existed then Loirston would have been better than Kingsford, but still nae great.
It's weird, as it didn't seem that there was nearly much support for Loirston as there is for Kingsford. I can only assume it's the northen shire supporters that are pro-Kingsford, although it seems stupid given the bypass would mean probably only an additional ten minutes from Loirston. Or maybe everyone has been worn down? Can anyone on here suggest a reason why Kingsford is better?
For me it's probably because loriston had been ruled out and there's no site within the city, figure that kingsford ticks as many boxes as possible.
Travelling that road every day has probably subconsciously made it into a really short journey too.
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Loirston seemed like insanity till they came up with this, which is just a farce yet has more support because of the outrageous 'might have no club to support' propaganda and the emphasis being on the training facilities at Kingsford.
At least far more people could walk and theoretically walk to Loirston, the transport plan for a 21,000 midweek game was approved, and if the train station was rebuilt it would have been pretty good.
Could more people have walked to loriston? Might be forgetting the exact location but it always seemed it was just as bad to walk to? Could be wrong though!
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Love this thread.
Anyone that disagrees with the resident virtual-clique gets accused of being a specific member / person from Non Kingsford Campaign or whatever they are called.
Let me get this right - George Yule is responsible for Aberdeen FC being in the great condition it is in at the moment?
Is that right?
The only reason people aren't taking anything you say seriously is because you constantly post nonsense without anything to back that up, then consistently ignore any post asking for anything to back up your fictional claims.
There's numerous people with opposing views that have been able to have a rational discussion about the stadium proposal, so your claim that anyone with a different view are disregarded is unsurprisingly a load of pish. Also there's only been one person make any claims about who you are, the rest seem as if they couldn't care.
All your posts like this is blatantly to avoid having to answer the questions on the fictional nonsense you're claiming.
And aye, Yule has contributed to the club being better run. Not the sole reason but he's sure as hell improved things.
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Considine already signed an extension didn't he?
Aye you're absolutely right... didnt realise that was an old post.
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Get McGinn signed up. I don't see replacing Jack, Considine, or Taylor being a difficult task. Think Considine will stay as he's a don for life. Wouldn't be surprised to see Jack follow a similar path/career to Chris Maguire, Zander Diamond, Michael Hart and the likes...
Replacing Jack will both be very tough tasks.
Taylor I'll give you (as he's an absolute liability) but Jack & is a key player perfoming very well, he'll certainly be a big miss.
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Ha ha.
You seem to know it all.
You are so ingrained in red tinted blinkered thinking you refuse to look anywhere below the propaganda of the club and its drive to move to Kingsford.
- The club pulled out of the University deals and partnerships.
- The Council have offered land, and identified locations - the club have ignored it.
I'm not claiming to know it all in the slightest... I'm just not going to go around spouting made up pish thats all.
The club were in talks with unis about sharing training facilities. That's a fact, widely reported. The reasoning for those plans failing was also widely reported (long before Kingsford was proposed) also a fact. You're somehow forming a link inside your own head that the club pulled out of said plans not for any operational reasons, or for the reasons both parites stated, but for the sole reason that they're hell bent on moving to Kingsford. Before kingsford was ever proposed... seen where the flaw in that arguement is yet?
To say that the council have "offered" sites is absolute garbage, as has been pointed out to you on several occasions... you've yet to mention what land was "offered" or back that up with any kind of proof.
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Absolute patronising pish from Yule. It is nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with lack of transparency and the simple fact that a lot of folk do not believe a chairman who has spent near on 20 years promoting a vision that most folk didn't agree with until very recently. We have a 12,000 figure (recently down from 12,500) with absolutely no supporting evidence and a transport plan that appears unsuitable at present. Genuine questions requiring genuine answers.
Totally agree with this, completely believe the severely reduced capacity claims after speaking to folk like manc who have professional experience in such matters but I reckon the only way to make people see its the truth is the club releasing further information on it. That should have happened long before now.
As for the 30 acres pish. That only stands up if we're going by the ludicrous notion that every stadium requires a training ground within 2 metres of it. Nobody is questioning the training facilities on their own. Nobody. It's disingenuous to spout that shite and he knows it. Nae his fault like, where the fuck are the supporting questions? Awful article.
I don't think the club has ever claimed that every club needs its own training facility right next to the stadium, you've got to see that it's the most efficient way operationally and financially though. Having the facilities elsewhere although doable would mean a much higher cost when you look at the cost of buying and developing 2 sites. When so many people are talking about the high costs already then you can hardly fault the club for trying everything in their power to minimise the costs. Saying that I fully expect they'll go down the separate site route if there's no other alternative.
But aye you're right, it's a dreadful article both from the perspective of the questions and the answers, does nothing to help the plans.
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Hold on.
ACC have on several occasions tried to play ball with AFC as regards stadiums and sites for new stadiums. Countless times.
Aberdeen FC simply do not want to play ball for whatever political reasons. One of the clear economic reasons is that they do not want to have to pay Council for land. The Council are desperate for cash - dying for funds and they have masses of land available far bigger than Kingsford.
Its so political this whole context its incredible.
They (AFC) want to make money out of selling land (Pittodrie) but they don't want to have to pay for land.
One of the big problems with this whole 'new stadium' conundrum (may I remind you this all goes back to 1999) is that Aberdeen have a political agenda to move from Pittodrie at all costs for a 'House in the Hamptons'.
The club have REFUSED to collaborate with just about anyone other than potential private investors.
However, collaboration should have been at the CENTRE of the Kingsford concept instead what they have done is rode slipshod over just about every local and regional planning policy, ignored fact that proper road and transport plans need to be in place and embarked on a political propaganda campaign that has alienated the community and Council surrounding the plans and angered lots of lifelong fans but calling us 'sentimental'.
Even if this gets approved by ACC the word mentioned was Holyrood might get called in - with a veto.
What they hell does George Yule know about stadiums? what is his expertise in football ground development? I can tell him his plans for my club are basically shi*e - amateurish, cheap and nasty crap.
Everyone knows Pittodrie is past its sell by date currently. But its past its sell by date and the pitch is terrible as the club have made every effort to make it crap by cutting off funding streams.
Pittodrie could have been developed piece by piece just like every other club have done years ago. The club could be in a training ground now but they have chosen not to as the strategic direction they want to take is move from Pittodrie at all costs.
As regards this 'sentimental' argument. WTF? Following your club is a sentimental thing - yes! Comments like that just show how out of touch George Yule and the people who run the club are with its fans.
Moving to Kingsford will entail masses of debt - a mortgage of what £30m?
I gave up after your first line. The council hasn't done anything of the sort and the club have tried to make training facilities in partnership with others (the unis etc) and couldn't come to a mutually beneficial agreement. This has been pointed out to you numerous times now.
Your complaints against the club would be taken more seriously if they were based on something resembling fact.
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I don't use Facebook.
Yet you're having a wee moan about people arguing over the stadium on facebook?...
Do you know that road A944? Have you drive on it? Do you know how it links up these places i.e. Kingswells, Westhill, Elrick etc? Have you driven out to these towns and seen on an ordinary day the problems with traffic? Have you seen the roundabouts? Bus lanes proposal is nonsensical.
Not sure about anyone else on here but I drive the road daily, took me 25 mins to drive to Westhill from my house in the city centre this morning...
Sure at peak times it can be busy but it's hardly catastrophic gridlock, traffic for the match wont be hugely different to peak rush hour traffic. The concerns bordering on hysterical on some things.
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Obviously a gamble playing KT at rb but I like the look of that team. I shed my club allegiances temporarily, hell the best bounce I've ever been in was fergahuns equaliser against Italy. As such I really don't have an issue with all the tim players to be honest, bar LG they are all playing to a high standard regularly. Much rather that than a mid table championship player. Got a feeling Armstrong might shine in this game, he's a braw player.
Agree about Tirney at right back, him playing well there could prove to be a good long term solution to what's been a problem position for us for a while too. Would mean him and Robertson playing as well, theyre both too good not to play so finding a place for them both is good news.
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Bloody push notifications, Already know the result!
I had the same thing happen to me...
Not the best start to the day even without the crushing hangover
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It's a conspiracy by someone in favour of the stadium, of course it is...
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Someone's been submitting objections for people not actually opposing the stadium. Wonder which group that could have been...
Tragic
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After being fastest in the morning, Vettel is second on the grid following Hamilton's impressive final qualifier. I'm not holding much hope for competition tomorrow. I think the only way we'll see it is if Hamilton has a series of engine failures over the course of the season to allow others (hopefully Vettel although I don't really like him either) catch up.
I guess we'll see, Ferrari have struggled in qualifying for the last few years but shown good race pace... maybe qualifying so well will mean they're at least there or thereabouts during the race.
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Having been forced to watch some of it, fuck me Billy connolly is going down hill fast. He must be one of the next celebs to kick the bucket
Aye, he looked in a really bad way... sad to see.
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I don't think they are, they want to own the Kassam Stadium do the not?
So in short, sod all to do with actually wanting to move or buses and all to do with helping speed along the sale of the stadium so they can stay where they are?
Nothing like twisting the truth for your own agenda eh?...
It'd be lovely to have a train station right beside the stadium right enough... bit of realism is needed though I think. Short of Cove (rumoured new station but even worse location for a stadium than Kingford and significantly changed area since the original Loriston proposal), Dyce (sod all space) and Aberdeen (ditto), where are we going to find land within close proximity to a train station?
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Couldn't agree more ED. Love F1 but Hamilton is defo one of the 'villains' in my eyes.
I also agree about the Mercs under playing their hand during testing. Obviously no one wants to show too much but i'll be amazed if the Mercs aren't on top.
For me the biggest disappointment looks to be that Fernando Alonso will be driving a bag of shite again! The sport is defo not at it's peak when he's not driving a top car, but hey ho.
It'll be operation 'avoid all news sources' on Sunday until i can get the time to watch the recording of the race. Vroom vroom.
Aye I suspect the mercs are still in front, hopefully it's much closer though!
Totally agree about Alonso too, shame he's in such an awful car as he's probably still up there with the very quickest. Looks like the Honda engine is still a bag of shite though
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Didn't they recently lose one of their technical team to McLaren? Hopefully it doesn't impact their development over the course, but would love to see them hit the ground running.
Ferrari? Or Mercedes?
Ferrari had James Allison heading up the concept design for their new car but he's since joined Mercedes.
Not sure about Mercedes... seem to remember they lost a couple of people too.
General thought from the BBC/ sky sports reporters are thay Ferrari tend to run light on fuel during testing where Mercedes does the opposite so it may not be as close as it looks... guess we'll find out this weekend though. A return to form for Ferrari would be good
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So big changes have been made ahead of this season, which will hopefully see a return of some more excitement after the final bernie years. Could Vettel see a return to form given the cars favour more down force this season? Looking forward to it anyway, hopefully Ferrari will live up to their pre-season promise and be competitive.
Really can't wait for the new season to kick off, going on the pre season testing the cars are significantly quicker too
Really hope Ferraris good testing form isn't a red herring as having genuine competition this year is a must. Same goes for red bull (although they've not looked as quick...).
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What a god awful team. Such a shame as any sane manager would have tired out new players
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Its almost impossible for it to be given thumbs up in June - impossible unless ACC want to ignore every covenant, regulation, consultant committee, local planning guidelines going.
Oh I know its true, wasnt questioning when it'll be reviewed (just the rest of the nonsense
)I don't think anyone has suggested it'll be approved outright in June, it's commonly accepted that improvements need to be made to certain aspects... that's been repeated over and over again.
Good job stating the obvious (and telling people what is already commonly accepted) whilst ignoring any question on your nonsensical ranting posted earlier or any reasonable argument put to you though.
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Hearts have (from what I can tell) 5 full size outdoor pitches and an indoor facility? This is shared with the university if I'm not mistaken. I'd say we're on par (minus the indoor facility) with that? The two pitches closest to the road would appear to be the designated academy/ community use pitches which could offer 4 7aside pitches if I'm not mistaken. I'd expect nothing less (I do think more should be done to encourage other sports) as part of the community aspect. Any less in scale or size would be deemed a token gesture. The fact theyre 3g and floodlit should be encouragement in itself. Are they (the council) not looking to build a lot of new houses nearby? Would imagine folk from the surrounding areas would happily use those rather than the sub standard pitches at the sports centre down the way.
Aye admittedly I'd forgotten about the indoor part to Riccarton, it's been a while
Kingslinks and a host of other location have been ruled out by the club for the basic reason that they do not want the cost and politics of buying land from ACC.
If you are going to get into discussions about sands, etc then land at Kingsford is not perfect. There is asbestos that will have to be dislodged for work to happen. Asbestos is a killer but sand is not.
Aberdeen City Council are desperate for cash (public sector) they have lord knows how many public parks and land available across the city for development. Kingslinks (beside Broadhill behind ballroom) was used regularly by the club during Skhovdhal era for training everyday.
There are public parks north, south, east, west of the city. When we were the best team in Europe we trained on one of them - Seaton Park.
Milne does not want to engage in land purchase from Council. He doesn't like them ideologically. Hence Kingslink being ruled out.
He wants a 100% private enterprise i.e. money lining the pockets of a private few rather than the public purse.
He is a total Tory.
So you see there are many areas of the city that the club could partner the Council via and collaborate in a public/private joint venture way towards a new stadium being built.
Stewart Milne and Yule do not want that. They want a 100% private investment and to give Council the big v-signs.
In the Kingsford case again however, its going to be a NO.
Back to the drawing board. Its all so political.
No offense but a lot of that is nonsense, unfounded pish.
Also, regarding the asbestos at Kingsford... I presume you'll have solid proof of this over and above some rumour coming from the No Kingsford lot?
You'll also be aware that cleaning up the likes of Asbestos is a fairly normal occurance in building on such sites and will come with costs. The costs with building on Kings Links has already been touched upon by others who know much more about it than me and I don't see any point in repeating it for you to ignore again...
So you see there are many areas of the city that the club could partner the Council via and collaborate in a public/private joint venture way towards a new stadium being built.
You've failed to mention a single other area of the city that the club could partner the council at. Barring a kings links site that has already been discussed.
Its doesn't matter what you think anyway, or what I think and say or post on here.
Its what ACC think
I'll give you one thing... you've finally said something true
(if it means Hamilton doesn't win it's even better)
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New stadium thread
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I don't think anyone denied loriston and kings links were identified as possible locations... that's not the question being asked of you. What land has the council "offered" the club?
What proof do you have that the club pulled out of talks with partners in training facilities purely because they're intent on moving to kingsford?
So far nothing...
How about leaving people with actual rational arguments to discuss things rather than blathering pish repeatedly to cover the fact you can't accept facts? That'd be nice.
Also, Just because someone's said they'd like you to develop somewhere doesn't automatically mean it's suitable either. Why kings links isn't really suitable has been done to death on this thread already. It's getting tiresome...