rocket_scientist

I couldn't agree more. Every football match is a 3 horse race. The home, draw or away are the only 3 possibilities and therefore 2/1 per outcome are the mathematical possibilities before probabilities get factored in by the bookies. A home win price at less than half the possible outcomes isn't good value for Pittodrie today in my book unlike the likes of Peterhead, Portsmouth, Leeds and Cowdenbeath who are all less than evens for the home win. Even Arbroath and Bayern away at less odds than AFC today represent greater value for me but if it was all totally predictable, we would all skin the bookies every week and the only certainty every month and every season is that the bookies make major profits.

Scottish History - at least in our day - wasn't taught because the school syllabus was controlled by the Westminster government and they had a vested interest in lying to Scottish people and also in telling us not to use our own words and vernacular as they insisted on the "queen's english". America, like Australia, were land grabs involving genocide. Like the "british empire", we were not told the truth.

The intelligent football strategist strives for two Jamaicans on the wings and for two Nordic full backs. He doesn't employ Chinese or Japanese in goal and never an Indian or Pakistani anywhere on the pitch. They're the football equivalent of black Africans in the swimming pool. The Inuits are also considered inadequate for AFC.

It is indeed an unusually big price for any team in the EPL and as long odds as I can remember for a home win. But the chances of it happening are considerably more than 25/1 in the minds in the bookies and they don't get it wrong too often. It's the fools backing Citeh at 1/6 in their multi accas who feed them. Whilst it represents a fair price, there's tiny value in backing aways at such short odds because they don't always come in.

You've obviously been lucky enough never to have suffered ligament damage. I've been lucky enough never to have broken a bone but where a broken leg can come back from e.g. Henrik Larsson, most footballers are never the same after their knee ligaments get fucked the first time.

I'd never heard of Jenever until last week. Was in Schipol yesterday p.m. and had time to visit but wouldn't have been drinking. After the amount I've had these last couple of weeks and inspired by the Adrian Chiles documentary, I'm using a drink tracker App. Thoroughly recommend.

Are you being obstinate, impressionable or unintelligent? Or maybe what you've been told can be substantiated by data? I don't know, I don't work in the industry. At least try to explain how the cash out option works in the bookies favour and how a late Andorra equaliser would not have sunk my in-play doubles?

This is all a bit predictable and sad. Didn't see the game but listening to your accounts re Stevie May and lack of attacking threats etc. it really shouldn't be a surprise. Fans turning against McInnes however is a surprise. He's undoubtedly the best AFC manager this century, probably for over a quarter of a century actually. Just because I can't stand him and have never liked him (and I despise people like him) this doesn't negate the fact that he's got more basic skills for the job than any who preceded him in the years since he was a schoolboy. If some are turning against him now, what changed? McInnes hasn't changed. He's always done the same things. What is going through the heads of the AFC fans that have now turned against him? I am reminded of Limmy's "she's turned the weans against us". It's madness at play here. Who's available that's better? Milne ain't budging. They're not thinking straight. It's all prescribed. By history actually. The history of AFC and how a club with soul once upon a time got bought and sold.

Here's a historical quirk. I was introduced to Jenever in Rotterdam this week. It's a type of gin, drunk straight at room temp. Quite nice actually. If you know your history, about William of Orange and gin and how it took over London etc., you'll know where the phrase "Dutch courage" comes from.

At school, I hated history. I thought it a dead subject and always gravitated towards geography. But I was young and stupid then whereas I'm old and stupid now. But less stupid overall I hope. Most schoolteachers are uninspiring human beings. Every history teacher I ever had was a fud. But I have come to learn that history is extremely valuable. It repeats. It creates patterns. It paints pictures and it sources karma and morphic resonances. So yeah, let's have a history thread. I dig this. The cunt on my telly just now has a pink shirt. He's a cricket county chief executive apparently. I wouldn't mind if him and his ilk became history tomorrow but this wearing of pink shirts by "men" shouldn't be permitted.

I put on 4 x Scotland Kazakhstan doubles in-play before Scotland scored the first. Got 8-11 and 13/10 on the 4th bet. Cashed them all out as soon as K scored to make 2.9/3. Who said cashing out was a mugs game?

Great punting Seabass. Dan 3rd. Think Ryan will beat Kirstie though.

That was a good expose on Coca Cola. On a current topic, does anyone believe the government over this Salisbury stuff? We know they think we're thick but it's unbelievable how thick they think we are. I remember some prick on here having a cow and telling me to go back to/ go live in Russia after I questioned something previously. The many contradictions alone in the Westminster propaganda make it incredible. Only an imbecile can believe this shit might have an ounce of credibility.

Hilariously inept refereeing after hideously inept goalkeeping from De Gea in the 96th minute keeps it at 1-2.

The timing of getting back to my Geneva hotel could not have been better. They're showing Engerlund Espana and in the time it took to get here - we saw kick off in a bar - there's been three goals

It's ok to disagree. Time will tell. My position is that McInnes is finished. His best is behind him and his best was never good enough for AFC, although I accept that he has at least embraced sports science and made the club "more professional" in its processes, not that we shouldn't ignore that only a fucking imbecile would not when the technology, resources and methodology is already readily available.

No that was before my time! I'm only 56 I just HATED those two games more than words can say. I've seen a LOT of shit in the last 50+ years - more so since Milne took charge - but the way McInnes's teams capitulated not just once but twice in half a week would still be giving me nightmares if it actually mattered, which it doesn't any more because winning isn't in the plan. The fact it was against them, with their disgusting support means that it will always be a horror show in my mind.

This sounds like victimhood, the same kind that the Old Firm roll out incessantly over every single year this century and before. I do not agree that the ref had a "massive influence on the result". It was McInnes and Tansey that cost us. They deserved to win. We were fucking shite that night. And it appears that we agree about how fucking shite we were at Pittodrie and yes, whilst it was quite obviously a worse performance than 3/4 days earlier, it was still two unforgivable consecutive back to back gutless displays against our closest challengers, the type of which can cost a team its whole season... although we of course won the coveted Second place trophy so everything's all right then. I'm allowed an opinion? Thank you very much. By jumping in with stuff like "bullshit, not even close", you're not attempting to present an opinion nor were you trying to tackle what you didn't like about mine. You now elaborate with it woz the ref's fault, something I vehemently dispute and now that you present two other shambolic consecutive performances (and I called the Motherwell capitulation the day before it happened), it appears that like so many Aberdeen supporters, you may be in denial about the principal problem at our club - at least on the "football side of the business" - the boy Orion nailing the real issue affecting our fortunes, being Milne. When I resurrect a thread that had been dormant for over a month and a half to express an opinion that I expected most to find unpalatable, I would have thought it might have been something to discuss, not to dispute without qualification. When McInnes goes, we're going to be in further shit because of the shit he's caused us and is causing us. You might disagree with that but picking up on those two abject performances to counter with other fucking shite performances under McInnes seems to be NOT wanting to discuss anything.

You blame the ref for Ibrox? I look closer to home. You (and Bobby) have added three further fixtures which were embarrassingly incompetent. Yet I'm not allowed the opinion that I can't remember two worse back to back games? It was the reasons for those particularly shocking performances that is where the real meat is to be found and the ref at Ibrox is a lame excuse, one which a truth-denier might engage. Pittodrie 4 days later was unbelievable, like they didn't want to win, just a fucking piss weak display.

There's a key word getting missed here. Yes we've had very many horrific performances over very many years but I can't remember 2 x CONSECUTIVELY abject performances ever. Strange that. That we would produce our two worst back-to-back games against the team that did not finish 2nd despite the gift of six points to our closest challengers. Just a bad half week at the office? Just a coincidence? All started by that spastic Tansey's idiotic challenge at the Broomloan end.

Yes you're right. They weren't as bad as I remembered. They had nothing to do with the manager and his will he/won't he situation. The fact he was considering it - for more than a couple of days - had nothing to do with the performance that wasn't as fucking horrific as you say. We deserved to get something out of those games, against such a shit football team that they couldn't even finish above us, despite helping themselves to a 12 point swing in two horrible days within half a week.

When McInnes goes - and it's obviously when, not if - there will be more shit hitting the fan. The timescale of when he departs is unknown but whenever it is, consider what AFC will be left with? He garners loyalty from this squad, unsurprisingly as he recruited the vast majority. They like him. Remember the 2 x defeats v. Rangers when all the pundits reckoned he was offski? The poor little lambs were lost and produced the worst two consecutive performances in AFC history. If he was to go this season, we would be left in a worse place, certainly in the short term and until the new manager got rid of all the McInnes duds. The youth might get a chance and they'll be hungry to prove the exited manager was wrong but without experienced men holding it together, the journeymen footballers will go backwards from their already not good enough standards. The manager is a loser and he's filled his squad with losers. They're mostly wage thief's, not winners. It's going to be a poor poor season as it is, with zero attacking threats and a gross squad imbalance. It will take more than half a season and many millions to fix it and until McInnes gets binned/walks, it's only going to get worse.

I thought he did catch him.

No broken legs and no fatalities yet half way through the first half of the first OF game. Disappointing.

Haha Lencarl. First impressions go a long way to "securing the deal" and what we wear (and how we speak) does go some way in creating the first impression, either positively or negatively. But after 4 or 5 seasons, there are no first impressions any more. We are way past style now and however McInnes dresses doesn't help or hinder his management substance.