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Why would someone open pubs in Westhill. Not going to survive on football trade twice a month. Especially when most folk will be forced to drive to new stadium so not going to be drinking.

It's fucking nonsense, along with Park and Rides and new bus fleets and routes popping up to serve one location every 14 days.

The walk down Merkland Road East on the way to the game. I travel past the site of the new place everyday going to work and afraid to say I will never get the same feeling about attending it, it feels very soulless.

I went up to it a couple of times to see if it got any better. It feels so disconnected from Aberdeen it's never going to improve in that sense.

 

You have touched on a point i was going to make, for those worried about not getting a pre match swifter, sorry but thats just nonsense.  Surely it will be easy enough for the Masada,Kirkgate,Red Lion,Bobbin Mill,Pittodrie Bar etc' to lay on a shuttle bus to Kingsford.

For sure, Aberdeen F.C should be building a big Social Club/bar out there aswell.

I think this new stadium could well be a huge success if they get the amenities & acoustics right  & if anything our crowds will grow.

Nobody wants to drink 8 miles from the stadium and leave at 2pm. Bar planned is for 400. Terrible public transport links and extortionate drinks in a tumbler outside. I don't get the optimism.

Just been thinking regarding said news work on the new stadium might be starting this Summer.  Simple question really what will you miss most about Pittodrie??

It'll take a while for the real fans that support the Kingsford bollocks to realise what they've lost, if it happens.

Playing in Aberdeen, pubs, walking to the game and being able to go into town hours or minutes before kick off mainly.

750k ? more than our best paid player which is unusual for any club... mind you we do have an exec on 300k per year, which for me is a far bigger issue

Heard from an employee of the football department he was earning just north of that after bonuses since he signed a new deal, and he was very highly paid before it. A few must be taking megabucks to make up our expenditure.

I meant it's a stand alone project (i.e. it's not part of any city development plan or any other projects for the area). It's not even remotely integrated with the city of Aberdeen. The AWPR is a bypass. The clue is in the name.

Everyone drives from the shire or the outskirts of the city. Anyone else can fuck off!

I doubt it’ll get the go ahead.

 

Some folk have the city they deserve.

First tantrum and it's not been rejected yet.

Really? Were you scunnered when we demolished Dundee 7-0, Motherwell 7-2 and Partick 6-0? We played fitba we haven't seen since Miller was in charge last season. He's bought relatively badly in the summer it seems, but that can be put right in January.

No. Not during those games.

We needed a manager to get us to the group stages in Europe to progress as a club. A manager that understands what defeats in certain games feel like to fans rather than coming out with arrogant trust me and the players shite.

We've reached McInnes' glass ceiling.

I'm scunnered with having to continue watching his nancy boy tombola teams.

Honestly, bored of McInnes. He's now holding us back.

Good work on shoe-horning in Kingsford, but you've missed my point. First, he's not saying he's not interested in any vacancies just now, because that would be ridiculous. He has no idea when another job might come up. For example, if he'd come out on the day the previous hun was sacked and said "I'm not interested in any vacancies just now" and then three days later the West Brom job was offered to him, I'm pretty certain he'd have taken it. The point being that as soon as you give a definitive answer to one piece of speculation then you're expected to give a definitive answer to every piece of speculation. Your example doesn't get round that.

 

If you need evidence, look back at the comments on here when McInnes was being touted for the Sunderland job. Everybody was suggesting that he should come out and say whether he would be leaving or not. He kept his mouth shut until an actual offer was made, mulled it over, and then decided to stay. As any professional manager would.

 

Although Donsdaft is obviously correct.

All the justifications I've seen of proof of his commitment have been of his speech to the select few at Pittodrie where he said 'I fucking better be [the manager when the stadium opens]', as well as how he sounded at the pre-determination hearing. I've seen some of those same people now accept he's going.

If the ABERDEEN manager is linked to fucking RANGERS and has no interest in going, is committed to the club as he supposedly is and has told people, he can absolutely make an exception to this speculation dance and say I have no interest in that job whatsoever.

He's so blatantly just trying not to be seen as a liar and keep his dignity. His comments about not being happy with the way it's been handled I am certain are a message to the Rangers board for their shambolic approach, and him trying to assert his authority early.

Your point about the Sunderland job is correct...because he was interested. My point is he is not committed to Aberdeen and is open to the Rangers job. We have fans who believed the total opposite. Some still do.

I've mentioned it several times on here, and no-one has come up with a counter argument. McInnes cannot say he is not going. It would be the worst move a manager could make. Just as he didn't when Sunderland were sniffing about. If you say that you're not going this time, then everyone expects you to do the same next time. If he'd said he wasn't going to Sunderland when linked last time, he'd have had to say on day one that he wasn't joining the huns this time. At some point, there will be a team he wants to go to and he'd have to say so, which would cause all sorts of difficulty. He can only say "I don't comment on speculation", because that's what all professional managers do, every time.

I completely disagree.

If he had no intention of going to Rangers he could say I have no interest in any vacancies just now and am fully committed to Aberdeen. He actually got Milne to say the committed part and he said 'I reiterate the chairman's comments' without ever saying that himself, only giving the vague 'I see my future at Aberdeen'.

Also if he really was as committed as he has portrayed to the poor souls who swallowed it at the Kingsford speeches, he would say I'll be here at least until the training ground is built etc.

Say next time the Norwich job comes up and he's asked about it but is interested he can say 'I've not heard anything about that, just now I'm focused on Aberdeen'...which is exactly what he's done but for Rangers. Of course, he's interested and wants to go.

Ah fair enough, must have missed that. Not sure it’d be any better than any of the other locations out with the city centre but strange it’s not mentioned in the q&a on the site choice

I find it strange it says 6 sites offered and Yule has narrowed it down to 4 they are looking at.

These are not the sites ruled out in the site selection (not offered) which are Pittodrie, Calder Park, King's Links, old AECC, new AECC after it was too late, Bellfield, Loirston.

These suggestions are giving me the fear about what McInnes might play.

I really fear he will do some nonsense with Ball playing and Rooney wide.

I just arrived home on Wed morning from work meaning getting a taxi from the airport.

 

We all know taxi drivers should be the city councillors as they're full of opinion and ideas 

 

Anyway, this one was having a grump about the road works heading into Bucksburn which are related to the new Exhibition Centre, it was him that raised the question about why the fitba stadium was never proposed for that location. I don't know if it ever was but it wouldn't have been the worst location.

Close to where the AWPR will be and it surely wouldn't have been difficult to run a satellite  train station to their from Dyce station?

Surely still close enough to the city limits to be considered the citys fitba team?

Only 15 mins from my house. 

 

Disna matter now but just wondered if it ever was considered and if not why not?

ACC offered something joint with the new AECC in 2013 but the club/Yule turned it down to keep pursuing Loirston and it's now too late. More great work from the visionary George.

Falling behind here lads.

 

Abmad's been having a fairly entertaining slagging match about this for days.

Including what seemed like an all night argument on the cost of bus fares from the toon to Westhill.

It is £5 suhin.

All these ultras groups are young guys, teenagers. The Red Ultras were all older guys who were more concerned with flag displays. We need a young group who aren't arsed about catty comments from other fans at their chants and just get in with it. Likewise, they need some help and encouragement from the club. I don't agree the Green Brigade have been harshly treated by Celtic, it's only when they're getting the club fined for pyro and political banners, neither of which is needed.

 

I've said it before, the best fans group in Scotland right now are Hibs.

 

You are right about the Red Ultras although they didn't all seem old in later years anyway. I remember most people actually said things like the older ones with the displays are sound but the young ones let them down, singing and letting off smokebombs and having an attitude which you obviously need to not be a kiddy joke that dies out in a few games like singing sections.

Hibs are nowhere near Celtic's level although they have good use of the drum at away venues and in concourses as shown. They were in that new East but have moved to the upper deck of the stand opposite the away fans this season where they'll have more space for their own thing. Could work or be as disastrous as when the Red Ultras moved to section Y.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8E9VN0DQb4

Our fanbase would shite itself at having a real group like the Green Brigade. Complaints to the club and snuffed out back to morgue silence.

The problem with our sections as well is they're normally a bit too young and don't have the character.

 

Motherwell? They have a wee band of neds banging a drum in a corner. We had that in the Merkland end last season. Excuse me whilst the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. Last time I was at Easter road there was simply no atmosphere even though they beat us. And if there's any atmosphere at Celtic Park (and it's a big if) then it's just down the the fact that it's a bigger grun than the others. Don't get me wrong.. I'm happy to generalise and say that Aberdonians are fucking wanks but I don't believe many other places in Scotland actually do have a good atmosphere.

 

What we do excel at, however, is whinging at and berating our own players. Also we're in the top percentile for moaning and/or groaning.

There's a lack of awareness at the organisation that goes into the atmosphere at other grounds.

I've been at Motherwell lots of times when the Bois in the corner with a drum have outdone 2000 Aberdeen fans for nearly the whole game. Aberdeen end 90% sitting down and the other 10% running out of songs a minute in and 20 guys left trying to take the piss out of Motherwell. They can also muster 100 or 200 neds having a bounce for bigger games while our failed singing sections attract about 10 folk that barely sing.

St Johnstone have a very small group of about 50 who likewise can outdo our entire away support.

Rangers have a big group in a really shite area of the ground which doesn't catch on and can barely be heard, as this video shows how stadium design affects atmosphere

That Celtic take though is so far off. They are organised by a fearsomely big ultras group. You are right about it being clamped down on though. The police try to take down the Celtic group every opportunity they can.

Hibs - don't you remember them pissing all over our support at Hampden? They likewise have an organised group.

The Aberdeen support just doesn't have the mentality. Full of people that believe we'll be deducted points for using smokebombs and complaining to the club about anyone that acts too rowdy.

No, that's because the next sitting of planning is Dec 11th.

 

Grinds my knackers to see supposed Dons fans laughing at our club who are up against white settling wankers trying every trick and lie in the book to upset the plans, and who have no interest or respect for the place they've come to and made their millions.

It's because the application is rubbish and needs serious work. I doubt we'll see any new documents from the club online for at least a month or two.

You're still unable to see it's the club's fault and not the side circus of NKS.

How long is this shit going to go on for? I'm nearly headbutting the screen reading Aberdeen fans saying a few things need to be ironed out. Definitely not a few things to be ironed out to turn it from a refusal to definite approval as they think is the case. Some are saying it's very close and just a few bits after they got a nudge and a wink from the council.  That's why they've had to withdraw it for 3 months. 

If it's big changes then surely NKS get another response? Will there be another pre-determination hearing? And if not I'd think it would stink of big grounds for a legal challenge from NKS. If it's clear the stadium and its logistics is too big or costly a problem and a certainty to be rejected, could they remove the stadium from the application to prevent us the risk and time of having to apply another time?

Since then, it seems all we've done is add a few sentences about shuttle buses then thrown the rest of the budget on this Aurora PR campaign that looks like it was a complete waste of time.

Probably spent a few hundred k when they put the inadequate bus information in tables. Not improving the strategy, just the way it was presented. Have a look at the last one they submitted. It's hard to believe.

God help us how much the PR in all the newspapers and everything cost.

Club and stadium supporters should have listened when we pointed out the flaws 6 months ago. 

So it was definitely going to be rejected then.

It appears it looked like a 100% rejection and they shat it.

Would be a travesty if it failed, I daresay this'll be the last saloon for any superior development. And who could blame the club? Some fans have been so vehemently against it, it's been pathetic. Some MAD posters in particular (not on this board I'd just like to add). Uninformed numbskulls.

 

And folk wonder why nothing gets built in Aberdeen? Embarrassing.

Is that any surprise? Exactly the same as those who were slightly in favour of it or neutral, the NIMBY opposition and something to rally round turned them into pro stadium extremists.

People who were against the concept and have been pointing out flaws that are so obvious are told if you're a real fan you'll go and every name under the sun, and every concern is dismissed. There are still idiots saying things like oh you won't be able to get a pint before the game? The pub and enjoying the day out is the backbone of football crowds, and good atmosphere on the big occasions.

12:15 kick off against Rangers, spending 1 hour on a bus then a shuttle instead of the city and pub for the build up sounds utter shite and I make no apology for it.

Doesn't seem to be working for me, is it an improvement?

Looks even worse to me when the choices are laid bare like that, and from only 2.5 hours before kick off?

They say they'll add more stops or routes if they deem necessary after a survey... with what buses and what journey time?

Dyce P&R

Kingswells P&R

Bridge of Don P&R

Rose Street

College Street

Shiprow

Bus station

We can't seriously be planning on building a stadium you can only get to from there at those times, and only going back to there after a game. It's not good enough to me and would be fucking expensive to make it better than that.

The only reason they'd switch to Kingsford would be for the mass of people, not the pipelines because they'd need a humungous car bomb to get down deep enough to affect them. So the councillor was right, Pittodrie in that respect is much more dangerous, but if they were going after a stadium at all, they'd be after on holding much more than 20,000, so if they bothered with a Scottish ground, clearly it's be Hampden or Murrayfield at a cup final/5 nations game.

 

To actually give any credence to "terrorist guy" is laughable.

Not giving credence to him but for argument's sake that is bad logic.

Terrorists don't always go to the biggest stadiums, arenas, clubs or streets. Tends to be the area they live and know.