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Offline donsdaft

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #420 on: May 08, 2020, 06:08:55 PM »
Fuck staying in for 14 days because some wimp has a headache and wants a test done.

Then another wimp.
Then the first wimp again.

Serious stuff I admit but I’m not letting some bloody hypochondriacs interfere with my life.
It’s bad enough that we have to pay for them in the first place.

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« Reply #421 on: May 08, 2020, 06:11:35 PM »
Fuck staying in for 14 days because some wimp has a headache and wants a test done.

Then another wimp.
Then the first wimp again.

Serious stuff I admit but I’m not letting some bloody hypochondriacs interfere with my life.
It’s bad enough that we have to pay for them in the first place.

Genuine question dd. Can you put new lenses into existing frames? Is that easy enough aye?

Like my Rayban specs but will need a new prescription soon I reckon.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #422 on: May 08, 2020, 06:13:14 PM »
Fuck staying in for 14 days because some wimp has a headache and wants a test done.

Then another wimp.
Then the first wimp again.

Serious stuff I admit but I’m not letting some bloody hypochondriacs interfere with my life.
It’s bad enough that we have to pay for them in the first place.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #423 on: May 08, 2020, 10:01:50 PM »
Genuine question dd. Can you put new lenses into existing frames? Is that easy enough aye?

Like my Rayban specs but will need a new prescription soon I reckon.


Aye, nae problem.
Although the modern plastic raybans are absolutely pish.
A man trained in 1975 will probably manage it though 😀

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #424 on: May 08, 2020, 10:02:47 PM »
The downside of having children

I’ve had a few.......

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« Reply #425 on: May 09, 2020, 02:07:06 AM »

Aye, nae problem.
Although the modern plastic raybans are absolutely pish.
A man trained in 1975 will probably manage it though 😀

You got the job. Will come past when you're open again 👍🏻
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« Reply #426 on: May 09, 2020, 07:23:22 AM »
I go in at 11.00 Mon -Sat
But we won’t manage an eye test for some time.

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« Reply #427 on: May 09, 2020, 09:48:09 AM »
I go in at 11.00 Mon -Sat
But we won’t manage an eye test for some time.

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« Reply #428 on: May 09, 2020, 09:51:56 AM »
All inbound flights to be quarantined now. More reactive Tory policy, behind the curve from day one.
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« Reply #429 on: May 09, 2020, 10:34:15 AM »
All inbound flights to be quarantined now. More reactive Tory policy, behind the curve from day one.

I had assumed incorrectly, that all people coming to the country were put in quarantine for 14 days and was shocked to discover not the case yesterday. I believe most other places, including the US, have been doing this for some time.

Still plenty people seem to think the Tories are doing an excellent job of managing the situation.

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« Reply #430 on: May 09, 2020, 11:06:20 AM »
Fuck flying, they are going to make it nearly impossible.

The channel tunnel trains are still operating (they'll forget about them)

I've always fancied driving to Budapest, just a case of persuading Mrs Donsdaft.

I'll wait until the third bottle of wine to try to persuade her to let me book the train.

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« Reply #431 on: May 09, 2020, 11:10:51 AM »
https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/security-behind-nhs-contact-tracing-app

Pretty comprehensive overview of the app here. Worth reading, it's not too technical. It seems to me that the decision to choose a centralised app over a decentralised one is entirely correct for the UK. This is because the decentralised model wouldn't really work with such low testing. The key being self-reporting and the ability to do this with a decentralised app. The true/false nature of infected or not can only be established via wide scale testing. The app seems like it'll be secure enough in this form. Remains to be seen how it'll evolve over time and how transparent changes will be.

It seems that the government might not agree with you now, as they consider yet another U-turn;

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-model?__twitter_impression=true
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« Reply #432 on: May 09, 2020, 02:08:59 PM »
It seems that the government might not agree with you now, as they consider yet another U-turn;

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-model?__twitter_impression=true

Good news, the decentralised option would be the one I would choose if we were a normal country too, it's the best all round and the one I'd be most likely to download. I still don't think it's best for the UK, however, as it has to come hand in hand with rigorous "manual" contact tracing, which it doesn't seem we're even remotely set up for. I can see them sticking with their original choice. I think Scotland should have done it's own thing months ago and ordered its own testing and it's own app.

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« Reply #433 on: May 09, 2020, 03:05:52 PM »
I think Scotland should have done it's own thing months ago and ordered its own testing and it's own app.

If we could have, we would have. But like New York City in relation to the federal government, there is a limit to how much autonomy we actually have. If Scotland could have negotiated a 10% (roughly, a per capita one) payment of the UK costs of testing, PPE, the App and all other Covid expenditure, to extricate ourselves from the shit show clown show, that would have been ideal even despite the actual advantages of a bigger purchasing power. But alas, it was never an ideal world.

Good on Miriam Margoyles speaking out. She'll get slaughtered by the snowflakes and the Tories and the MSM but she only said what many of us were thinking, or at least what I was thinking. I was hoping that BlowJob would die rather than come back a better person, an exercise in futility given his insane parents, his upbringing and his privileged otherworldly view on life, the universe and everything (which may or may not have been 42).
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #434 on: May 10, 2020, 01:07:23 PM »
Good news, the decentralised option would be the one I would choose if we were a normal country too, it's the best all round and the one I'd be most likely to download. I still don't think it's best for the UK, however, as it has to come hand in hand with rigorous "manual" contact tracing, which it doesn't seem we're even remotely set up for. I can see them sticking with their original choice. I think Scotland should have done it's own thing months ago and ordered its own testing and it's own app.

So apparently much like the 'brilliant' settled status application App, this new CV-19 tracing one will also have issues working with certain phones.

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The UK’s coronavirus contact tracing app, being developed as part of the government’s pandemic response, may not work with either Apple or Google phones.

Dr Michael Veale, lecturer in digital rights and regulation at University College London, said the UK is “really going against the grain” in its development of the app.

Comparing the government’s app with the app his team is working on, Veale said: “We’ve been working in a way where all of the matching between people happens on a user’s device, not in a central server, and that’s generally considered to be more privacy preserving. Whereas the UK has taken a different approach, which builds a social network of people in the cloud.”

“The problem is that Apple and Google, Apple in particular, have stated that they won’t allow this kind of central system to be created, it doesn’t work with their operating system,” he said. “And so the UK is really going against the grain and therefore it’s finding problems on both Google and Apple phones.”

He said he does not think the app will be up and running in the UK before June.

Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick denied the government was already working on a second coronavirus app, but said ministers would move to a different app if necessary.

“As far as I’m aware we’re not developing a second app but we are paying attention to the other apps that exist elsewhere in the world,” he told Marr. “And if we need to adapt our app or move to a different model, obviously we will do.”

Im looking forward to the tories releasing a public information film on Betamax & Laserdisc


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #435 on: May 10, 2020, 02:07:37 PM »
So apparently much like the 'brilliant' settled status application App, this new CV-19 tracing one will also have issues working with certain phones.

Im looking forward to the tories releasing a public information film on Betamax & Laserdisc

Rock and a hard place for NHS though (or nhsx, or whatever they're called, that specified the app). They need the data that a centralised app would provide, which the UK's testing approach is not. The decentralised model offers the NHS absolutely no assistance in controlling the virus, it just helps individuals. Unless the extensive use of testing and tracking occurs, there is no data on any hotspots, any second waves etc. It looks to me like the NHS are trying to mitigate the government's ineptitude in testing through the app, so I feel a bit sorry for them on this one.

Interesting that "protect the NHS" doesn't seem to appear on the new slogan for retards. No point pretending I suppose. Thankfully, the US model available post-brexit won't even pretend to give a fuck.

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« Reply #436 on: May 10, 2020, 02:34:05 PM »
I think there's a danger in "mixing metaphors" here. We are not experts in App building. We, like the NHS and like the government, haven't built a national system before nor have we faced a virus on this scale. All we can do is learn and observe and by applying some basic critical thinking, we can identify some of the core issues.

It was obvious more than three months ago that data was needed. John Snow would have turned in his grave (the doctor who pinpointed cholera to the water pump in Broad Street, London rather than Jon Snow of Channel 4) at the UK government's decision to abandon the common-sense strategy of testing and tracking. And the NHSX App is not an NHS initiative, having been farmed out to independent private parties at a cost of £250,000,000, parties that may or may not include former employees and/or associates of Cambridge Analytica.

The news that 50,000 tests were sent to the US was interesting. And an utter disgrace.
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« Reply #437 on: May 10, 2020, 04:18:23 PM »
Not an expert, but I'm proficient and understand a lot of the jargon where I don't have first hand experience. Although, I didn't know that the app was being specified by third parties, I understood it was specified by NHS, being built by third parties, with data on NHS servers, but I don't know why I had that in my head. 

Aye, the testing going to the US is bizarre. This shit should have been sorted out years ago. We have heaps of testing facilities in the UK, they should all have been involved in pandemic drills and all have an action plan, and a coverage area. Instead of fucking off to yankland, we should have been hyper-localising our response and everyone in the country should have been aware of their role and what was expected of them. Instead, we're still redacting shite and not publishing data that decisions are based on. Which scientist suggested changing to "stay alert" (for an invisible virus)?

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« Reply #438 on: May 10, 2020, 06:19:34 PM »
Stay alert is good; it means 1. Become alert, and then 2. Stay in this heightened state of awareness. Two words only, an excellent demonstration of the transparency and efficiency for which this government is earning a great reputation.

Staying alert at home however - as Jenrick uttered today - is unfathomably stupid and in one fell swoop, may well have tarnished the reputation irreconcilably. The fact that he broke the isolation rules didn't cost him his position however, unlike the Edinburgh posh wifie and Stat Ferguson's dalliance into Staats. This may be an indication of the loyalty that this government embraces and their sporting nature, giving Jenrick more chances to come back from the Landet editor ripping his arse off on Question Time.
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« Reply #439 on: May 10, 2020, 07:01:41 PM »
There used to be a sign behind the bar in a pub back home

'Be alert! Britain needs Lerts'
Sort of slogan I can see above a BJ version of the Kitchener poster.

Guardian is claiming part of tonight's speech to the nation was recorded yersterday which hasnt gone down very well with the cabinet.
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