DT Politics Thread

[Ajja]

48 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

Said this at the time when a friend asked me why they appointed him, my response was because he speaks fluent grift. Fighting fire with fire. Still a honking decision. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

5 hours ago, Kowalski said:

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

Alarm bells should have been ringing all around Westminster if Farage agreed with the appointment of Mandelson.

It was very poor judgement though, and Starmer shouldn't be in his job, as he was ball deep in an  appointment that was only ever going to end one way.

[TheDonbytheDee]

5 hours ago, Kowalski said:

And yet he wouldn’t have won that by-election. 

If Burnham had stood in the Gorton by-election, the outcome would have been different.

The Labour vote would have held up on the day and he would now be their MP.

I understand why it didn't happen, but suspect Burnham will be Labour leader at some point soon, or at least be back as an MP.

 

[Mason89]

8 hours ago, Kowalski said:

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

It will get forgotten about in all the fall out but at the very beginning of this story, there was a competent woman already in the job 

 

[Ajja]

As said previously, SKS is the patsy in waiting for the bloodbath of the May elections. I’m not fully convinced by Burnham, great mayor doesn’t necessarily translate to PM but he’d certainly be able to tell a story and therefore sell an ideology in a way that SKS fails to do so he would engage people. When SKS goes, suspect we’ll see the usual Labour Party trick of eating itself up through its own arsehole.  Will be interesting to see who capitalises best. In Scotland it’s going to be the nationalists, despite not being overly popular as a government. In Wales it’ll be the same. England I have no idea but I quite like Polanski so hope he makes some waves. 

[Mason89]

I’m not convinced ‘Scottish’ Labour are even going to be a thing after the election. The unionist hun voters that held their nose, can now cheerily jump to Reform. That is incredibly bad news for them. ‘Only Labour can stop the SNP’ doesn’t have the same ring to it when you’re polling 5th 

[Ajja]

It’s incredible that they have gone from 35% in the polls for the national vote post UK election to now. They are being hampered by SKS performance and it’s interesting how they have tried to distance themselves from the UK party. In a way, independence would be the best thing to happen to the Labour Party in Scotland, or whatever iteration of centre left they devised. I suspect the majority of Scots want that and the SNP have been very effective at filling the gap but success in achieving independence could weaken their wider case for government once it happened. 

[Mason89]

8 minutes ago, Ajja said:

It’s incredible that they have gone from 35% in the polls for the national vote post UK election to now. They are being hampered by SKS performance and it’s interesting how they have tried to distance themselves from the UK party. In a way, independence would be the best thing to happen to the Labour Party in Scotland, or whatever iteration of centre left they devised. I suspect the majority of Scots want that and the SNP have been very effective at filling the gap but success in achieving independence could weaken their wider case for government once it happened. 

I’ve always thought that too. Funnily enough, the one group of people who would be very well represented in an independent Scotland, would be the Huns. They just can’t see by the apron though 

[Ajja]

Not the most educated slice of the electorate I suppose. 

[InversneckieDob]

A majority that size and bae even two years down the road we're looking at this. 

That's political incompetence on a Liz Truss scale. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

14 hours ago, InversneckieDob said:

A majority that size and bae even two years down the road we're looking at this. 

Yes, been some downfall and all they had to do was not be the Tories.

 

 

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

23 hours ago, Ajja said:

I’m not fully convinced by Burnham, great mayor doesn’t necessarily translate to PM but he’d certainly be able to tell a story and therefore sell an ideology in a way that SKS fails

That's what they need more than anything.  Starmer has zero charisma and you need that by the bucketful in politics, regardless of how palatable you find it. 

 

[Mason89]

37 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

That's what they need more than anything.  Starmer has zero charisma and you need that by the bucketful in politics, regardless of how palatable you find it. 

 

Whenever I hear him, he sounds like he’s asking for a second class return to Dottingham 

I keep saying it but it seems weird he would debase himself so much & trash his reputation to get a job, he had no idea how to do or any enthusiasm for doing. What was the point? It just seems that people want to be PM now because it looks good on a CV. 

[Ajja]

In defence of Labour, I would say that the tolerance for political ‘establishment’ rhetoric and behaviour is extremely low among the public. We live in a world where people are really impatient for progress and change. I blame the internet, social media and Simon Cowell () for our thirst for success and things to just be right immediately. Resenoir can testify to that.
 

Labour weren’t voted in to bring traditional Labour values and to drag the nation back to the centre, they were voted in to make the bleeding stop and it hasn’t. The world is screaming for change and to see progress and they don’t trust conventional politicians to deliver it, hence the rise of populist who tell a good story.
 

 Unless SKS was able to turn that around in 6 months he was always going to be set on fire. The media in the UK are too right wing and protective of the interests of the wealthy and powerful that he was never going to be praised for any of the good things he did to ‘fix Britain’. Farage knows this and will lays it perfectly. 

[Mason89]

To be fair to Joe Public, we’ve been fairly patient under austerity measures since 2010, while watching millionaires become squillionaires. 
 

Everyone knows what needs done. The political will isn’t there to do it. Currently, that’s entirely his fault 

[TheDonbytheDee]

3 hours ago, Ajja said:

Labour weren’t voted in to bring traditional Labour values and to drag the nation back to the centre, they were voted in to make the bleeding stop and it hasn’t. The world is screaming for change and to see progress and they don’t trust conventional politicians to deliver it, hence the rise of populist who tell a good story.

They were voted in though to be better than what the tories were and have failed miserably.

Not one policy has made a difference in their near two years in office. Everything they touch turns to shit. 

As Mason has said, we have had over 16 years of shit thrown at us, people just want to see some positive change. 

Until people see some positives, idiots like Farage will just become more popular, as people are that desperate for something to cling to. 

[Ajja]

Without sounding like an apologist for what I agree has not been a storming tenure to date I think it’s unfair to run a narrative that they/he has done nothing. 
 

It’s pretty challenging to reverse the kind of shambles that 14 years of austerity and an ideological destruction of the state bring about.  Add to that the adversity of Trumpian influence and it’s a difficult environment to perform in. Despite these economic head winds, they have put in place a number of things that are designed to have impact over a longer period - support for working people, youth apprenticeships, rebuilding public services, NHS waiting time reductions, creation of wealth funds, green energy initiatives, investment led growth etc etc.

Our media will never focus on these things as they aren’t interested in talking about the bureaucratic, administrative corrections and longer term solutions. They want to amplify the missteps, and there’s been a few, to tear down the personality etc etc. I hate the fact that the measure of a good politician is all about their charisma and ability to spin a story (increasingly to just lie) but it’s where we are. Good work gets ignored and written off as not changing anything because it doesn’t take immediate hold. Economic growth forecasts have improved despite Trump and NHS waiting lists are reducing you say? Yeah but what about……

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[Mason89]

Starmer has zero charisma and lies anyway. 
 

[TheDonbytheDee]

58 minutes ago, Ajja said:

Without sounding like an apologist for what I agree has not been a storming tenure to date I think it’s unfair to run a narrative that they/he has done nothing. 
 

It’s pretty challenging to reverse the kind of shambles that 14 years of austerity and an ideological destruction of the state bring about.  Add to that the adversity of Trumpian influence and it’s a difficult environment to perform in. Despite these economic head winds, they have put in place a number of things that are designed to have impact over a longer period - support for working people, youth apprenticeships, rebuilding public services, NHS waiting time reductions, creation of wealth funds, green energy initiatives, investment led growth etc etc.

Our media will never focus on these things as they aren’t interested in talking about the bureaucratic, administrative corrections and longer term solutions. They want to amplify the missteps, and there’s been a few, to tear down the personality etc etc. I hate the fact that the measure of a good politician is all about their charisma and ability to spin a story (increasingly to just lie) but it’s where we are. Good work gets ignored and written off as not changing anything because it doesn’t take immediate hold. Economic growth forecasts have improved despite Trump and NHS waiting lists are reducing you say? Yeah but what about……

No offence, but that post reads like the post of an apologist.

I admire your confidence in him, but the wrong man for the job and then some.

I'm sure he'll pick up a few cushy numbers outside politics, once he is dumped.

 

[Ajja]

1 hour ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

No offence, but that post reads like the post of an apologist.

I admire your confidence in him, but the wrong man for the job and then some.

I'm sure he'll pick up a few cushy numbers outside politics, once he is dumped.

 

Haha, I tried to qualify it as I’m no fan but clearly failed miserably. Reading it back it definitely is heavy on the defence me lud. I’m trying really hard to be measured and balanced about this Labour govt as it’s frankly too depressing to give up completely. That said I’m fucking furious about their Isreal stance. 

[Ajja]

2 hours ago, Mason89 said:

Starmer has zero charisma and lies anyway. 
 

Ouch . Think I’ll take it over the absolute cluster fuck that is Kemi Farage. 

[manc_don]

12 hours ago, Mason89 said:

Whenever I hear him, he sounds like he’s asking for a second class return to Dottingham 

I keep saying it but it seems weird he would debase himself so much & trash his reputation to get a job, he had no idea how to do or any enthusiasm for doing. What was the point? It just seems that people want to be PM now because it looks good on a CV. 

You have just described the “PM” here in NZ, who if you hadn’t known (heavily laden with sarcasm as I’m sure reekie could attest to), was ceo of an airline He even described himself as ceo of the country during an interview on TV, which he rightly got hammered for. Only been in parliament for 5-6 years. How he got voted is beyond me. A wannabe religious zealot (aren’t all fundy christian’s?). He’ll disappear into obscurity once he gets kicked out at the next election as he’s got PM on his cv, and he won’t care as, and I quote: “I’m wealthy and I’m sorted”. 

[tlg1903]

Genuine question, is this the worst generation of politicians that has ever been?   I think so.  The upcoming Scottish elections will absolutely see an even higher percentage of useless cunts elected to the chamber and I really struggle to engage much with politics in general these days as a result.  It doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon either. I'll vote for Fergus Ewing who is standing as an independent now as he has represented the area well over the years but, sadly, it is expected that Emma Roddick will take the seat.  I met Emma a few times socially a couple of years before she swindled her way to the top of the list vote by self id'ing as disabled because she has a personality disorder....  She's really, really, stupid and it genuinely is a depressing indictment of just how fucked we are that people like her can be elected let alone re-elected.  My list ballot will be getting spoiled.

[Mason89]

11 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

Genuine question, is this the worst generation of politicians that has ever been?   I think so.  The upcoming Scottish elections will absolutely see an even higher percentage of useless cunts elected to the chamber and I really struggle to engage much with politics in general these days as a result.  It doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon either. I'll vote for Fergus Ewing who is standing as an independent now as he has represented the area well over the years but, sadly, it is expected that Emma Roddick will take the seat.  I met Emma a few times socially a couple of years before she swindled her way to the top of the list vote by self id'ing as disabled because she has a personality disorder....  She's really, really, stupid and it genuinely is a depressing indictment of just how fucked we are that people like her can be elected let alone re-elected.  My list ballot will be getting spoiled.

Emma Roddick must be thicker than a Boxing Day shite because Fergus Ewing has absolutely nothing going on upstairs. A dolls heed 

[tlg1903]

12 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

Emma Roddick must be thicker than a Boxing Day shite because Fergus Ewing has absolutely nothing going on upstairs. A dolls heed 

Tell me you've never had a conversation with Fergus Ewing without saying "I've never had a conversation with Fergus Ewing".

Emma Roddick is thicker than Randys world beating shite in south park