DT Politics Thread

[Ajja]

48 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

Said this at the time when a friend asked me why they appointed him, my response was because he speaks fluent grift. Fighting fire with fire. Still a honking decision. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

5 hours ago, Kowalski said:

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

Alarm bells should have been ringing all around Westminster if Farage agreed with the appointment of Mandelson.

It was very poor judgement though, and Starmer shouldn't be in his job, as he was ball deep in an  appointment that was only ever going to end one way.

[TheDonbytheDee]

5 hours ago, Kowalski said:

And yet he wouldn’t have won that by-election. 

If Burnham had stood in the Gorton by-election, the outcome would have been different.

The Labour vote would have held up on the day and he would now be their MP.

I understand why it didn't happen, but suspect Burnham will be Labour leader at some point soon, or at least be back as an MP.

 

[Mason89]

8 hours ago, Kowalski said:

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

It will get forgotten about in all the fall out but at the very beginning of this story, there was a competent woman already in the job 

 

[Ajja]

As said previously, SKS is the patsy in waiting for the bloodbath of the May elections. I’m not fully convinced by Burnham, great mayor doesn’t necessarily translate to PM but he’d certainly be able to tell a story and therefore sell an ideology in a way that SKS fails to do so he would engage people. When SKS goes, suspect we’ll see the usual Labour Party trick of eating itself up through its own arsehole.  Will be interesting to see who capitalises best. In Scotland it’s going to be the nationalists, despite not being overly popular as a government. In Wales it’ll be the same. England I have no idea but I quite like Polanski so hope he makes some waves. 

[Mason89]

I’m not convinced ‘Scottish’ Labour are even going to be a thing after the election. The unionist hun voters that held their nose, can now cheerily jump to Reform. That is incredibly bad news for them. ‘Only Labour can stop the SNP’ doesn’t have the same ring to it when you’re polling 5th 

[Ajja]

It’s incredible that they have gone from 35% in the polls for the national vote post UK election to now. They are being hampered by SKS performance and it’s interesting how they have tried to distance themselves from the UK party. In a way, independence would be the best thing to happen to the Labour Party in Scotland, or whatever iteration of centre left they devised. I suspect the majority of Scots want that and the SNP have been very effective at filling the gap but success in achieving independence could weaken their wider case for government once it happened. 

[Mason89]

8 minutes ago, Ajja said:

It’s incredible that they have gone from 35% in the polls for the national vote post UK election to now. They are being hampered by SKS performance and it’s interesting how they have tried to distance themselves from the UK party. In a way, independence would be the best thing to happen to the Labour Party in Scotland, or whatever iteration of centre left they devised. I suspect the majority of Scots want that and the SNP have been very effective at filling the gap but success in achieving independence could weaken their wider case for government once it happened. 

I’ve always thought that too. Funnily enough, the one group of people who would be very well represented in an independent Scotland, would be the Huns. They just can’t see by the apron though 

[Ajja]

Not the most educated slice of the electorate I suppose. 

[InversneckieDob]

A majority that size and bae even two years down the road we're looking at this. 

That's political incompetence on a Liz Truss scale. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

14 hours ago, InversneckieDob said:

A majority that size and bae even two years down the road we're looking at this. 

Yes, been some downfall and all they had to do was not be the Tories.

 

 

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

23 hours ago, Ajja said:

I’m not fully convinced by Burnham, great mayor doesn’t necessarily translate to PM but he’d certainly be able to tell a story and therefore sell an ideology in a way that SKS fails

That's what they need more than anything.  Starmer has zero charisma and you need that by the bucketful in politics, regardless of how palatable you find it. 

 

[Mason89]

37 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

That's what they need more than anything.  Starmer has zero charisma and you need that by the bucketful in politics, regardless of how palatable you find it. 

 

Whenever I hear him, he sounds like he’s asking for a second class return to Dottingham 

I keep saying it but it seems weird he would debase himself so much & trash his reputation to get a job, he had no idea how to do or any enthusiasm for doing. What was the point? It just seems that people want to be PM now because it looks good on a CV. 

[Ajja]

In defence of Labour, I would say that the tolerance for political ‘establishment’ rhetoric and behaviour is extremely low among the public. We live in a world where people are really impatient for progress and change. I blame the internet, social media and Simon Cowell () for our thirst for success and things to just be right immediately. Resenoir can testify to that.
 

Labour weren’t voted in to bring traditional Labour values and to drag the nation back to the centre, they were voted in to make the bleeding stop and it hasn’t. The world is screaming for change and to see progress and they don’t trust conventional politicians to deliver it, hence the rise of populist who tell a good story.
 

 Unless SKS was able to turn that around in 6 months he was always going to be set on fire. The media in the UK are too right wing and protective of the interests of the wealthy and powerful that he was never going to be praised for any of the good things he did to ‘fix Britain’. Farage knows this and will lays it perfectly. 

[Mason89]

To be fair to Joe Public, we’ve been fairly patient under austerity measures since 2010, while watching millionaires become squillionaires. 
 

Everyone knows what needs done. The political will isn’t there to do it. Currently, that’s entirely his fault