DT Politics Thread

[Mason89]

3 minutes ago, Ajja said:

The antisemitism that plagued the Labour Party under JC has done so much damage to their ability to speak out against atrocity and that has turned my head away from Labour. 

The accusations of antisemitism 

[Ajja]

Just now, Mason89 said:

The accusations of antisemitism 

Yes, important distinction

[TheDonbytheDee]

23 hours ago, Kowalski said:

 

As for Blair, totally agree but the real problems in the country started with Thatcher. 

They did, but would never have thought a Labour politician would have picked up where she left off and went further with her ideas.

Both Blair and Starmer are natural Tories. Maybe not rabid right wing Tories, but definitely Tories.

 

 

 

 

[RicoS321]

34 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

They did, but would never have thought a Labour politician would have picked up where she left off and went further with her ideas.

Both Blair and Starmer are natural Tories. Maybe not rabid right wing Tories, but definitely Tories.

 

 

 

 

The world is a Tory 

[Mason89]

Just now, RicoS321 said:

The world is a Tory 

They’ve over egged the pudding worldwide. This is it’s death throes 

[Ajja]

Not sure it’s fair to say Blair was a Tory. He was certainly a different animal to old school Labour but Thatcher destroyed the notion of old school Labour when she shifted the UK from collectivism to individualism. Blair (and Brown) recognised the need to work closer with big business and a deregulated financial sector to create wealth which felt like traditional Tory playbook but the crucial difference was that they wanted to created an enhanced state intervention model, using the generated wealth via traditional free market economics to support the lower ends of society and lift poverty levels etc. Thatcher could not have given a shit about that, in fact actively dismissed it and encouraged  a culture of ‘I’m alright Jack’. 
 

The majority of the population in the UK are instinctively conservative minded. Particularly in England and rural Scotland. Political lines are generally drawn on culture and education rather than Labour v Tory. Labour has a massive problem as it’s lost a lot of its traditional vote to BJ’s Tories and now Farage’s reform as the lack of education and economic vulnerability leans towards ‘strongman’ politics to bring change. The Greens are now attacking their urban intellectuals and youth voters so there is little left for them. Coupled with Starmar’s inability to appeal to any particular audience is killing the party. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, Ajja said:

Not sure it’s fair to say Blair was a Tory. 

Sorry min, but Blair is a Tory. I think it's fairly evident nowadays.

Blair was Thatchers worst legacy and why I hope the evil old hag is still burning in hell and I truly hope Blair joins her when the grim reaper comes calling for him.

 

 

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

2 hours ago, Mason89 said:

They’ve over egged the pudding worldwide. This is it’s death throes 

You keep saying stuff like this.

I know you believe the young or future generations, will provide the answers, but I've always found young firebrands usually get more conservative as they get older.

I would love it to be the case, but I can't quite share your optimism.

 

[Mason89]

10 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

You keep saying stuff like this.

I know you believe the young or future generations, will provide the answers, but I've always found young firebrands usually get more conservative as they get older.

I would love it to be the case, but I can't quite share your optimism.

 

The next generation are different. They’ve been absolutely shafted & owe nothing to the system that did it. Boomers out, millennials in and everything will get better (generally speaking) Also, saying you’re a conservative at that age puts you further away from the opposite sex than wearing a Dundee Utd strip. 
 

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, Mason89 said:

The next generation are different. They’ve been absolutely shafted & owe nothing to the system that did it. Boomers out, millennials in and everything will get better (generally speaking) Also, saying you’re a conservative at that age puts you further away from the opposite sex than wearing a Dundee Utd strip. 
 

 

I do hope you are right.

I still think the damage has been done and no turning back now, but I like your optimism. 

[RicoS321]

4 hours ago, Mason89 said:

The next generation are different. They’ve been absolutely shafted & owe nothing to the system that did it. Boomers out, millennials in and everything will get better (generally speaking) Also, saying you’re a conservative at that age puts you further away from the opposite sex than wearing a Dundee Utd strip. 
 

 

But that fundamentally ignores the state of the world. The existing system will collapse, it won't be removed by a bunch of socialist teenagers that mature into politicians. There simply isn't the freely available energy to create the future of global equity and equality. Predicting what the young will do when they are even further shafted is impossible. A world based on economic growth cannot continue (for much longer) whether it be capitalist, socialist, socially democratic, nationalist, fifteen minute citiest or whatever prescribed system is chosen. The kids and their kids are gearing up for life after globalism. What you're particular town chooses beyond that will likely depend on the devastation of their collapse. 

[Mason89]

I’m fifty, with a one year old. I have to be more optimistic than that & theres plenty of reasons to be cheerful. The know how is there, there just has to be the will to do it. 
 

The biggest cunts on the planet just now are all old, weirdos or both. It’s not sustainable for them 

[CurlsLikeTattie]

9 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

The world is a Tory 

And Billy Corgan had me believing it is a vampire

[RicoS321]

2 hours ago, Mason89 said:

I’m fifty, with a one year old. I have to be more optimistic than that & theres plenty of reasons to be cheerful. The know how is there, there just has to be the will to do it. 
 

The biggest cunts on the planet just now are all old, weirdos or both. It’s not sustainable for them 

I am not, not being optimistic. I don't believe that most of the wealth that modernity has created is particularly meaningful. I think we can all be happy, indeed happier, with a lot, lot less. If we don't, then we're simply, selfishly, kicking the can down the road so that you're (and my) children will be in the position you are now wondering why their now deid da didn't recognise the coming disaster. I'm more concerned that my children will wonder why I believed the blatant fantasy of electric cars, less flights and vegan processed food. 

Edit: I hope it's obvious that I'm referring to myself too when I talk of selfishness and so on

Edited Sunday at 19:24 by RicoS321

[Mason89]

The Labour Party would be as well chucking it altogether. The only reason he’s still in a job is that they can’t agree on who else should have it. It’s a total snake pit 
 

[RicoS321]

53 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

The Labour Party would be as well chucking it altogether. The only reason he’s still in a job is that they can’t agree on who else should have it. It’s a total snake pit 
 

It's not the only reason, is it? They need someone to blame after their local election collapse.

But "he's a decent man".

[Mason89]

2 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

It's not the only reason, is it? They need someone to blame after their local election collapse.

But "he's a decent man".

The only guy that could probably save it, was blocked to become an MP 

[TheDonbytheDee]

8 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

They need someone to blame after their local election collapse.

 

Is the correct answer. He will be gone a day or two after the upcoming elections. 

Mandelson shouldn't have been near the job in the first place, so that much is on Starmer.

I don't buy into him not knowing about the failed vetting checks either. I think it makes him look weaker if that were the case. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

8 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

The only guy that could probably save it, was blocked to become an MP 

He will be their leader soon enough. There really isn't anyone else to take over. 

It's not just a Labour problem, every political party is full of gypes at the top. 

[Ajja]

Wes Streeting might be the next obvious choice 

[RicoS321]

9 minutes ago, Ajja said:

Wes Streeting might be the next obvious choice 

Out of the frying pan, into the absolute cunt, as they say.

[Mason89]

1 hour ago, Ajja said:

Wes Streeting might be the next obvious choice 

Wafer thin majority in his seat, ball deep in private money, close to Mandelson himself, set fire to a pet shop and just looks like a helmet 

They probably will go for him 

[Kowalski]

9 hours ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

Is the correct answer. He will be gone a day or two after the upcoming elections. 

Mandelson shouldn't have been near the job in the first place, so that much is on Starmer.

I don't buy into him not knowing about the failed vetting checks either. I think it makes him look weaker if that were the case. 

What’s happened here is that because the US president is a sleazeball, the UK wanted to put a sleazeball in as Ambassador and by all accounts he was apparently doing a good job. Even Farage said it was a good idea. 
 

Should never have happened though. Mandleson has been a stain on the Labour Party, and on the country in general, for decades. 

[Kowalski]

10 hours ago, Mason89 said:

The only guy that could probably save it, was blocked to become an MP 

And yet he wouldn’t have won that by-election. 

[Ajja]

3 hours ago, Mason89 said:

Wafer thin majority in his seat, ball deep in private money, close to Mandelson himself, set fire to a pet shop and just looks like a helmet 

They probably will go for him 

Wasn’t saying he’s my choice, just the potentially obvious next move on the board. Unfortunately, another of the animatronic technocrats SKS has filled his cabinet with.