Vinius and the race card

[Bukta Bertie]

It's all too easy isn't it. It's a rule that is wide open to abuse.  

Same card was played by the Livingston player when he told totally lost the plot and started acting like an idiot with Jack Milne, who also acted like a idiot it must be said. 

What has come of that inference / accusation by the way. Did Livingston make an official complaint regarding the racist abuse of one of their players or have they since went mysteriously silent on the issue?

 

 

[Mason89]

You may want to change your approach to how you view certain things. You’ll be a happier more rounded person 

[Bukta Bertie]

I'm round enough as it is. That's probably down to my love of pies. I'm also a very happy man. That's down to my family. Thanks for your concern.

Interesting you didn't actually address the point I made or provide any insight into the question I posed.

[Mason89]

The question itself doesn’t merit a serious reply. You wont learn anything from it. 

[RicoS321]

42 minutes ago, Bukta Bertie said:

It's all too easy isn't it. It's a rule that is wide open to abuse.  

Same card was played by the Livingston player when he told totally lost the plot and started acting like an idiot with Jack Milne, who also acted like a idiot it must be said. 

What has come of that inference / accusation by the way. Did Livingston make an official complaint regarding the racist abuse of one of their players or have they since went mysteriously silent on the issue?

 

 

You think it's easy for a black person to accuse someone of racism? Do you think it was easy for Logan? Did it look like it was easy for him? Did it look like it was easy for him to get booed by an entire stadium for making it known? Or would it have been much easier for him to be racially abused and kept quiet? 

The bottom line is, you (nor I) have absolutely no idea what happened in Milne's situation. I've no idea who this thread is referring to either (some foreign pish no doubt), but I suspect that you've got no idea what happened in that situation either. You're choosing to believe the accused rather than the accuser. It suggests a lot about your pre conceived biases. Now, I could take that, and extrapolate that you're a racist, but that would be equally as ridiculous as the suggestions you appear to be making.

[Bukta Bertie]

I'm a boomer so I wouldn't be surprised if by modern definitions some of the things I say would probably be considered racist. 

I'm definitely not racist by the definition that's existed for most of my life and that's good enough for me. 

The rush to believe the black players side of stories is telling. Virtue signalling at its worst. The player is a well known trouble maker and has history for it.

As for the Milne thing. I will always take an Aberdeen players side over an enemy until any alleged guilt is proven absolutely beyond doubt.

[Mason89]

I hope you never get selected for jury duty 

[Bukta Bertie]

19 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

The question itself doesn’t merit a serious reply. You wont learn anything from it. 

I asked if Livingston have actually lodged an official complaint against Jack Milne.

Pretty sure if I received a reply from someone who knows the answer I'd learn exactly what I wanted to know from it.

[Slim]

Yes they have: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgrdpvpy4dqo

[Bukta Bertie]

6 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

I hope you never get selected for jury duty 

Been listed for it twice but luckily never had to actually serve. What a carry on especially if it's a trial that goes on for days. 

May I ask what your concerns might be?

[RicoS321]

23 minutes ago, Slim said:

Yes they have: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgrdpvpy4dqo

If someone has started a thread on a topic that you'd expect to be approached with a bit of empathy and an attempt at understanding, and they haven't bothered to do a basic fucking Google search to find the information you've provided, then it's probably a waste of time providing it. 

[Mason89]

1 hour ago, Bukta Bertie said:

Been listed for it twice but luckily never had to actually serve. What a carry on especially if it's a trial that goes on for days. 

May I ask what your concerns might be?

Certainly. Your brain isn’t wired up right for it 

[Bukta Bertie]

2 hours ago, Mason89 said:

Certainly. Your brain isn’t wired up right for it 

You're dancing around it. Just say what you want to.

I would actually suggest perhaps your not suited to jury duty as you've been very quick to rush to judgement in this topic. 

[Bukta Bertie]

3 hours ago, Slim said:

Yes they have: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgrdpvpy4dqo

Thanks. It will be interesting to see where it goes. 

[Kowalski]

Vini is an absolute walloper. That does not under any circumstances excuse anyone from racially abusing him. Book should be thrown at anyone who has racially abused him. 
 

Jose didn’t come out of it well at all given the many OTT celebrations he has done on the past. 

[Mason89]

1 hour ago, Bukta Bertie said:

You're dancing around it. Just say what you want to.

I would actually suggest perhaps your not suited to jury duty as you've been very quick to rush to judgement in this topic. 

There shouldn’t be a topic. I was judging you before I even opened it & I wasn’t wrong. 
 

 

[Bukta Bertie]

1 hour ago, Kowalski said:

Vini is an absolute walloper. That does not under any circumstances excuse anyone from racially abusing him. Book should be thrown at anyone who has racially abused him. 
 

Jose didn’t come out of it well at all given the many OTT celebrations he has done on the past. 

We still don't know what was said and we probably never will so its foolish to condemn.

However let's say he did call him something that's deemed to be racist in modern society. I stand firmly by my belief that calling an opponent a "black b@stard" is no different to calling them an "ugly / bent / fat b@stard" delete as appropriate or you could even add your own adjectives as you see fit.

Verbals are verbals and they should all be treated exactly the same i.e. to be ignored when said inside the unique atmosphere of a football stadium.

[Mason89]

This will absolutely blow your mind but it’s not ok to call someone any of those things. Doing so would see you fired from any job in the UK. Being on a football pitch does not insulate you from that. 
 

 

[tlg1903]

It certainly doesn't help the boys case that he pulled his shirt over his mouth to say whatever it was he said.  Mbappe has weighed in as well “[Prestianni] called Vinícius a monkey five times, I saw it,” Mbappé said. “I cannot let things like this go. He’s a young player. How can you say things like that on a football pitch?".  Prestianni has denied it saying basically saying he has been misquoted but not actually said what the correction would be to.   In fairness I can't imagine it would be particularly easy to hear other players clearly on the pitch in such a noisy stadium so it's not impossible but all the other context around it makes me suspect there's probably something to it. 

[Jupiter]

9 hours ago, Mason89 said:

I hope you never get selected for jury duty 

I had to do it a few years ago. Obviously I can't say what happened, but things turned out very unexpectedly.

[Tyrant]

Ace. More folk jumping to conclusions without having the faintest fucking idea what happened or what was said.