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Don't ever remember him playing. Surprised to learn he actually played a total of 40 minutes across three games.

I would trust Barry Robson's judgement though. No reason to doubt him or Craig Samson.

As poor as we have been, surely even we can't fail to gain enough points from what is a very favourable run in to the split.

St Johnstone (home)

St Mirren (away)

Dundee (away)

Motherwell (away)

Ross County (home)

Livingston (away)

Dundee (home)

Even being pessimistic I'd still expect a minimum of 15 points from that which may be enough to make the top six.

There is simply no excuse in losing to this St Johnstone team. If Warnock can't even win this then sack him tomorrow and give it to Kris Boyd just to really mess with us.

On 26/02/2024 at 23:56, Jute said:

Scott Burns claiming we are targeting Celtic reserve keeper Benjy Siegrist.

 

Decent keeper at United but not played a first team game in two years so not convinced this is right move. 

All our recent goalkeepers have been the same though, guys that weren't playing. Danny Ward, Joe Lewis, Kelle Roos.

Not the worst shout getting him in I'd say.

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

This sounds very good (apart from the Clement bit),

Clement has now joined the same gym as me, so we're basically pals now. As is Nick Walsh who is also a member.

Together the three of us basically run Scottish football.

7 hours ago, Kowalski said:

At the time, I was content to see the back of McInnes, he had run his course. 
 

But at this rate we be as well bring him back as I haven’t heard any better suggestions, which in itself is concerning. Doing a very decent job with Killie and has them punching well above their weight. 

Kilmarnock aren't punching above their weight though. Neither are St Mirren. Unless either of them end the season with the Scottish Cup, they are where they should be when you consider the state of the Scottish Premiership.

Yes, Kilmarnock are having a good season, taking advantage of bigger clubs like Aberdeen and Hibs having a poor season and Dundee United being out of it. It's allowed Killie, St Mirren and Dundee to be higher than they normally would be.

The Killie board - seeing European football within their grasp - have backed McInnes and they were able to offer more money than Motherwell to secure Van Veen, while they have picked up a fair few others on decent money.

But I don't see any legacy building at Kilmarnock. Once the European campaign ends in August, Armstrong and Watson leave, Van Veen goes back to Holland, and (you hope) Aberdeen sort themselves out, Killie will head back down the table.

And if McInnes came back here, he'd cause the same problems he did before. Yes, he might get more from this squad than Robson/Warnock, but it's short term success. Long term we'd continue to rely on loans and throw money at signings, and we'd probably slip back like we did in his first spell.

We should be looking for better than McInnes.

5 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

I’d also take a punt on any of the Scandinavians mentioned before Lennon lambert and the usual names, although are they just Scandinavian Goodwin? 

 

Goodwin actually achieved very little with St Mirren. He's not in the same conversation as the exciting prospects out there.

He was - we thought - the right man when he came in as we needed a bit of pragmatism after Glassball had loads of possession but could not score or defend. Instead he tried to be something he wasn't and failed spectacularly.

This time we need a manager that has a history of turning clubs into a team to be feared, who short term can galvanise the support and long term can make us a force again. We need a more attainable version of Philippe Clement to be honest.

Scandinavia is a hotbed for cracking managers under 50 who are doing great things at small clubs on limited resources.

Johan Hoff Thorup (Nordsjæland, Denmark)

In the Conference League they finished third, but beat Ludogorets 7-1 and Fenerbahce 6-1 (which makes you wonder how the hell they finished third).

A bigger club will be along for him soon you imagine.

Erik Horneland (SK Brann, Norway)

Did well at Haugesund, struggled at Rosenborg, but doing well again at Brann where he has a 65% win rate and has won the Norwegian Cup. Finished second last season behind Bodo/Glimt.

Jimmy Thelin (Elfsborg, Sweden)

Already posted about him. Elfsborg finished second last season and Thelin's direct 4-2-3-1 I think would work well in Scottish football.

Actually suffered a 3-2 defeat to a lower league team in the Swedish Cup yesterday, but it's a group stage so they can still progress.

Stephen Robinson (St Mirren, Scotland)

Might finish fifth with St Mirren in a really poor league. But "knows the league", is a "safe pair of hands", and "Most St Mirren fans like him". 

Would also fit our strategy of sacking Derek McInnes but not actually replacing him with better.

Brendan Rodgers (Celtic, Scotland)

Was once a really highly thought of manager. Likely to be a free agent soon and looking for a new challenge.

2 hours ago, redordead said:

 

Shinnie has a dirty streak but he's also past it and physically lacking in the tackle. I'd drop him tomorrow and make others take responsibility. 

 

He isn't past it though. No one is past it at 32. And he's had good performances this season.

But we're asking too much from him every week. He has a place in a properly thought out midfield.

4 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

I feel that way except cormack is easy to blame. What’s gunn’s job? What is cormack’s?? Cormack hires guys to do jobs, I assume cormack isn’t directly hands on with the team, manager, players, and transfers, i‘m assuming that’s Gunn.

i assume it’s cormack’s job to create a structure, plan, and vision. Then hire people to implement. It’s not working so time to reassess, which I assume means assess manager, director of football, and the structure.  

I assume cormack wants the intern to give him time to assess without having a permanent manager in place wondering what the fuck is going on. I know I’m in the minority, but what I’m assuming cormack is doing right now makes sense. 

like we all are good at, lots of assumptions.

That's my point though. No-one appears to know what Gunn's job is. Director of Football is a fluid description, it could mean something different from one club to the next.

Gunn could be very good at his job. Or, he could be very bad and it and the big reason for our poor season.

But to say it's not Warnock's fault, it's Gunn's, is a stab in the dark. It's also ignoring that today there was a lack of any attempt to play football. Even if the squad is lacking players, it's not a good enough excuse for that performance.

3 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Honest and fair, and serious, after match interview with warnock. Acknowledges we’re a bunch of pussies and a hell of a summer ahead. Made the comment that it’s not really his kind of team, lacking physicality and battlers, which is worrying given that’s what we need right now. 

That wasn't why we lost the game. It's Warnock shifting the blame and giving us something else to focus on.

I really struggle to think of one good attacking move we created today. There seemed no coherent game plan at all. At points in the second half we were just hammering shots off defenders any time the ball was near their box. It was just a mess.

We played like 11 lads who had signed up for a game of football, turned up, picked their positions and went out and played. Not a team that had a week's training and presumably had a meeting to discuss tactics and analyse the opposition.

Warnock needs to take some blame for that and Cormack/Burrows/Gunn need to - if they haven't already - be moving up the timeline to get their permanent manager in sooner rather than later.

19 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

It’s not cormack, he’s stateside much of the time, it is Gunn. He’s the man in charge of the footballing side that has failed with 3 managers so far. And is failing with warnock based on the start to his tenure and the same mistakes.

Is it Gunn though? He seems an easy person for others to hide behind.

What is his remit? If it's to go and sign the players he's told to sign, well we've signed a lot of players.

Cormack is the guy that wanted an interim rather than a permanent boss asap.

21 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Give it a rest man, you’ve made your dislike clear on warnock endlessly. 

Rico is more than entitled to give his view on this shitshow. 

Appointing Warnock was a disastrous decision, which most of us predicted.

It could have been Neil Lennon were it not for his Rep of Ireland talks at the time. He may have been marginally  better but he's another dinosaur, and that these two men are the first choices Dave Cormack could come up with shows the backwards thinking at our club.

If this four-month nonsense ends with Stephen Robinson appointed, then just close the doors.

Just win. Don't care how you do it.

10 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

manager - Alex Neill

 

Waiting four months to appoint Alex Neil when he's a free agent and available the entire time would be peak Aberdeen.

Just noticed Morris isn't in the squad at all. Although suppose someone has to drop out to accommodate Hoilett,

Back to a more normal looking line-up. Glad to see Duk start - as much as he's criticised he provides more than Polvara, Philips or any of the other potentials to start there.

1 hour ago, manc_don said:

Helluva call by Warnock and it paid off.

I see what you're saying, and I guess fair play for not stubbornly sticking with his decision beyond 29 minutes which is what I would have expected Robson to do.

But, it was an idiotic line-up, and Robson for his faults wouldn't set up that badly. One centre back, at least four players playing out of positions leaving us really vulnerable defensively. It's cost us two points and we're fortunate to get the one we did. 

1 hour ago, Slim said:

Shouldn’t the line be drawn from the defender’s elbow?

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

Thing is, can you honestly tell where the defenders elbow is pointing? 

An elbow can't be offside, so presumably it can't play someone onside either.

Hands and arms aren't counted offside, so the line isn't drawn from his elbow, it's being drawn from his hip.

The angle is a bit misleading, but if it was straightened up, Miovski's head is probably offside.

It's still a ridiculous decision, but more due to the laws of the game determining inches like that are offside.

59 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

 One further notable point is that everything was very direct again. That could have been because we were chasing it, but even at 3-3 we were lumping every free kick in from every angle and the long throw was in constant use. It's not going to be pretty under Warnock that's for sure.

I don't think we have the players to play how he wants to play either. 

He was stressing before the game about Motherwell being more physical than us. So he knows his "muck and nettles" way of playing is going to be difficult. 

48 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

In all fairness, tell var to fuck off and it’s 4-4. Without var their 4th stands. Then again, miovski’s goal was initially called offside.

Nah I thought that was the correct decision. Player pushes McGrath who then knocks over Roos. 

But then I'm biased.

2 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

He's got fucking mcgrath at lwb by the looks of it

Noticed that.

Interesting.

It could be Mackenzie - Gartenmann - Devlin in a back three, and Shinnie and Morris as wing backs, which would be peculiar but may work on account Motherwell are shite.

On 13/02/2024 at 18:30, RicoS321 said:

Has he actually said it since coming here? 

Oh aye, I counted three maybe four "are you with me" in yesterday's press conference which I watched from start to finish because he's such a wonderful old man.

2 hours ago, BigAl said:

 

Presenting radio show (although will.have red TV on tablet)

Hold on, so you're essentially a broadcast journalist?

Get this boy banned. We don't need his type around here, fishing for stories and trying to find dirt on us all.

2 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

I swear to god if I have to hear that senile fuck say "are you with me" one more fucking time.

Aye but he's 75 and did a documentary 20 years ago, so it's all a good laugh isn't it? 

Like Craig Levein. But just wonderfully loveable.

Motherwell fan at work labelled this as a relegation six-pointer and hard to argue with him based on the current form and league table. 

For Neil Warnock, his first week was a bit of a gimme as no-one expected anything from Ibrox, and no matter how badly we played v Bonnyrigg we were probably still going to navigate that tie.

Now we're at the point where he's under pressure to deliver results. A draw does nothing for us, a defeat is unthinkable.

Expect Gartenmann to start, but will it be for MacDonald or Jensen with the latter injured at the weekend? 

Not sure any of the 'fringe' players did much on Saturday to warrant a place.

Similar starting line-up to Ibrox probably. Can see Hayes being back in.

Dunno what to expect. I don't think we played well at Ibrox despite the platitudes, and we definitely didn't v Bonnyrigg. 

11 hours ago, KGB said:

Not that it particularly matters to me because I couldn't give two hoots where any of our managers allegiances lie as long as they do a decent job but Warnock has been spotted many times at Morton over the years and is a member of The Morton Community trust. 

That is a fucking disgrace.

The Rangers allegiance is fine, it's all a bit of fun, but fuck Morton. 

Get him out. Get him out of our club now.

Lewis/Roos' alarming drops in ability - does Craig Sampson's coaching come into question?

As for the game, Rangers pressed us in possession and we couldn't handle it, wanted too much time on the ball, and we coughed up possession.

Yet we could have sneaked out of there with a draw. 

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

Fuck sake, just watched his first interview, found myself involuntarily smiling. Does he not know that I'm trying my best to dislike him?

"I applied for the Hearts job, and they gave it to some bloke from bloody Latvia or something, so that was an insult".

Found that pretty cringey to be honest. Maybe cos it was actually Lithuania and I used to live with a Lithuanian, and I reckon they can manage a football team just as well as the English.

3 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Already explained. It’s a safer hire than Leven (who would also buy us time as an intern) or some new up and comer for example. As long as it’s clear from the start it’s intern and short term. Guy is a short term fix, loaded with experience, not much he hasn’t seen in the game. I think that’s pretty obvious that he’s safer than leven or the likes. I’d take this over Lennon, lambert, Ross, or all the crap floating around. There’s very few immmediate and available hires that I find appealing to take us forward long term.
i didn’t say hiring warnock was crucial, where did that come from? I said his hire made sense. Given the last three managers have been a bit of a mess, plus the transfer front has brought in some real stinkers, and our current squad is so imbalanced, a football ‘audit’ makes sense. Take a step back, it appears the manager isn’t the only problem. I think what cormack is doing is smart.

hiring a new guy right away means it’s just the manager that’s the problem. I think it’s bigger than that, and a new manager immediately masks over the bigger issues. Who in the club is owning the last 3 failed managers and an absolute mess of a current squad?
steadying the ship - Robson was all over the place, again due to lack of experience and never having managed. This guy has tons of experience. Doesn’t buy success but you’d like to think he has a keener eye to play players and the team correctly, and he’s been in this type of situation before.

stick it to the old firm - no clue who said that or why any of our coaches would be considered the guy to do that??

Some see it as risky, all appointments come with risk. But experience has value. What’s occurring is not a cop out but cormack taking a deeper look to see if there bigger issues to fix.

taking us backwards - if he gets us relegated I’ll agree, but for the most part we’ve been horrible to watch all year and results have been shit. We’re on pace for bottom 6 and no Europe next year. How much more backwards can we get? Our squad is piss too, as is , for the most part, our formation and style of play. The only way to take us backwards is relegation. If he stays with us beyond the summer and becomes a long term appointment then I have concerns. before yesterday we were 5 points ahead of 11th and the relegation playoff, drawing and struggling with with two teams around us. You trusted robson to turn us around? A guy who has never been responsible for a club in his life, and never faced a relegation battle perhaps? Nothing he was showing suggested he could turn it around.
As for the comment regarding injuries etc, do you have any rationale or evidence to suggest the guy does not know how to coach/train with modern ‘safe’ methods?? What robson did to shinnie for example and how he expected him to play every game and the demands of his role could be seen as prehistoric and putting his health at risk! Your comment is just random and clutching at straws.

Fair play for answering all the points.

I still don't agree it'a a safe appointment, I think it's a risk, even short term. And I'd rather we had our new manager in earlier.

I was up for giving Robson a chance because he had been coaching for years, knew the club, and had watched closely all the mistakes the previous three managers had made. So I would say that did suggest he could turn it around, and short term he did. In hindsight, he should have been assistant to another manager.

You're saying Cormack is taking a deeper look at the issues - that remains to be seen. 

As for the training/injures comment, that wasn't me, was Kowalski I think.

Listen, he's got the job now. If it works out well and Aberdeen appoint a cracking manager for next season, then I've got it wrong. Hey, I got Goodwin and, eventually, Robson wrong.

Good luck to the mad bastard.

13 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

As I said, he buys us time because he’s a safer hire than many out there.

Again, what is a safe hire? 

What is "steadying the ship"?

You say Robson needed his hand held and was inexperienced, but actually his interim spell was a success. So why is Warnock as interim so crucial?

13 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

perhaps he praised Celtic or rangers in the past, big fucking deal. Here we go down this road again. Mcinnes was a hun, while from Aberdeen Robson is a Tim, etc etc. Maybe he wanted the rangers or Celtic jobs in the past so praised them, who fucking cares. I can’t stand the reaction to Huns, Tim’s, once he’s our guy I expect 100% commitment. Move on.

Well done on missing my point. I couldn't give a fuck if he goes to bed wearing Rangers pyjamas.

Someone - was either you or another poster - said that he would "stick it" to the Old Firm.

What is that exactly? And what makes you think he's the man to stick it to them?

13 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

blows my mind the negative reaction. Has he been offered a 5 year contract? I’d understand the reaction is that was the case.

It's a risky and bizarre appointment, and is a cop out from the club because the only way they need four months to find a new manager, less than a year after they were supposed to begin a new manager search, would be if they were totally clueless. 

Hiring Warnock is them throwing a bone to distract the dog.