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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2015, 10:22:38 PM »
Not at all, my opinions not any more important than anyone else's but it is based on what I've actually seen (sitting in the Aberdeen end thanks very much!)  and I sure as fuck don't need to justify that to an agressive know it all keyboard warrior who seems to let personal feelings on certain players cloud his judgement.

But don't let that stop you showering us in your infinite wisdom  ;)

What a shame. Could you not have been more original?

You accuse me of the same indictment that you yourself was charged with.

Let's not forget the beef.

You said McGinn was NOT guilty of a lack of effort.

You said some people were so stupid their judgement was clouded by his disgraceful conduct at Parkhead.

Facts are facts.

You were totally wrong about McGinn's doldrums period. You were presenting like you knew best.

Arse behaviour.
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2015, 11:17:26 PM »


You said McGinn was NOT guilty of a lack of effort.


Correct, I said that because I genuinely believe that to be the case, If it wasn't I do not believe he would still be here. As I've already stated I totally agree that he's gone through prolonged spells where he's been out of form, but I've never put that down to a lack of effort. That is my opinion based on what I've seen.


You said some people were so stupid their judgement was clouded by his disgraceful conduct at Parkhead.


Once again correct, you're on a roll here rocket well done. I did indeed say that as again it something I truly believe, it's my opinion. Also, to label an awkward apologetic celebration after scoring his first (correct me if I'm wrong) goal against a club he spent a significant portion of his professional career at as being disgraceful just shows how petty and childish you are. In my opinion


Facts are facts.

You were totally wrong about McGinn's doldrums period. You were presenting like you knew best.


Oh you were so close to going 3/3 there... I've only presented my opinions, you may notice I've pointed that out above  ;)

it may well be your opinion that I'm wrong about the reasons behind McGinn's lack of form, but to suggest that's anything more than your opinion is laughable.

I could go full blown rocket here and question what you're basing this opinion on but... Quite frankly I don't care.

I'm just looking forward to McGinn putting in a MOTM performance on Saturday just to see your reaction, sure you'll catch it on sportscene if he does  ;)


Arse behaviour.


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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2015, 11:23:39 PM »
Correct, I said that because I genuinely believe that to be the case, If it wasn't I do not believe he would still be here. As I've already stated I totally agree that he's gone through prolonged spells where he's been out of form, but I've never put that down to a lack of effort. That is my opinion based on what I've seen.

Once again correct, you're on a roll here rocket well done. I did indeed say that as again it something I truly believe, it's my opinion. Also, to label an awkward apologetic celebration after scoring his first (correct me if I'm wrong) goal against a club he spent a significant portion of his professional career at as being disgraceful just shows how petty and childish you are. In my opinion

Oh you were so close to going 3/3 there... I've only presented my opinions, you may notice I've pointed that out above  ;)

it may well be your opinion that I'm wrong about the reasons behind McGinn's lack of form, but to suggest that's anything more than your opinion is laughable.

I could go full blown rocket here and question what you're basing this opinion on but... Quite frankly I don't care.

I'm just looking forward to McGinn putting in a MOTM performance on Saturday just to see your reaction, sure you'll catch it on sportscene if he does  ;)

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Your whole tone and the condescension within disgusts.

Incapable of discussing. Incapable of disagreeing.

It's ok to have different opinions. It's not ok to be a total arse fuck up.
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2015, 11:26:49 PM »
If you were there, how did you interpret Clangers berating of McGinn?

He had been shite for weeks. His team-mates saw it. We all saw it. Where were you?

Sitting on Internet boards being a smart arse sad fuck?
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2015, 11:35:34 PM »
I've never seen anything from McGinn that's made me think he's not trying, yes he's had dips in form but not once have I thought it was down to lack of effort.

What was it down to then?
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2015, 11:52:32 PM »
Your whole tone and the condescension within disgusts.

This to me is one of the best things I've ever read on here, the irony is incredible!

What was it down to then?

Who knows, frustration and lack of confidence after a dip in form? Not being 100% fit? Struggling to adapt to a lesser role in our attack? Nobody knows for sure and It could be anything so to write it off as a simple lack of effort without taking some time to consider the situation is really jumping to conclusions.


It's ok to have different opinions. It's not ok to be a total arse fuck up.

Good, this is progress! I'm glad we can agree it's ok to have different opinions. You may want to remember that pearl of wisdom next time you pounce on someone else's completely valid opinion and go on another blood pressure raising rant which only really serves to amuse  :-*

If you were there, how did you interpret Clangers berating of McGinn?

He had been shite for weeks. His team-mates saw it. We all saw it. Where were you?

Sitting on Internet boards being a smart arse sad fuck?


I'll hold my hands up, you've got me there... I can't honestly remember this game so I'll assume I wasn't there, I'll need to think back to what I was doing if you're really interested?  When was this game? How did we play? Was it a good game? Did you have fun?

However players berate their team mates on a regular basis, it's even happened this season on a couple of occasions already. Forgive me if I don't consider this a huge deal. It happens and will continue to happen, I happen to think it's a good thing... I'm glad we've got a culture within this team where players can be held accountable when they make mistakes or aren't at the races.

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2015, 11:59:26 PM »
It must be tough being you.

You should be kinder to us less fortunate and less enlightened.
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2015, 12:11:20 AM »
It must be tough being you.

You should be kinder to us less fortunate and less enlightened.

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2015, 12:14:34 AM »
I'm sure you've found in life that arseholes exist.

Your profound instinct informs you so.

But those who lack love or compassion stand out for that very failing.

It can't be helped. Damaged goods.
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2015, 12:26:56 AM »
I'm sure you've found in life that arseholes exist.

Your profound instinct informs you so.

But those who lack love or compassion stand out for that very failing.

It can't be helped. Damaged goods.

This makes me sad, I was hoping we could be friends  :(

Anyway back on topic... Shay Logan, good player!

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2015, 12:35:56 AM »
This makes me sad, I was hoping we could be friends  :(

Anyway back on topic... Shay Logan, good player!

That's a complete lie. Friendship isn't what smart cunts like you covet.

You remind me of an Aberdeen fan who I haven't seen for more than half my life. He grew up in Airyhall or Criaigiebuckler or Countesswells or some equally shit middle class environ. He was tall and generally regarded as good looking but some of us knew his "golden boy" external projection masked a deep sadness, beyond the obvious that there was nothing of substance within, him being middle class in everything.

He moved to Edinburgh in the early 80's and quite proud of that he was too.

Our "capital" isn't fit to be described as such following the referendum. Not that it was fit for purpose before. Irvine Welsh is a great Scotsman and the best thing to have come out of there. The lawyers and the politicians that pollute our second city are a disgrace to humanity, let alone Scotland.

Pompous know it all cunts. Maybe there's something in the air you cunts breathe down there.
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2015, 12:46:23 AM »
That's a complete lie. Friendship isn't what smart cunts like you covet.

You remind me of an Aberdeen fan who I haven't seen for more than half my life. He grew up in Airyhall or Criaigiebuckler or Countesswells or some equally shit middle class environ. He was tall and generally regarded as good looking but some of us knew his "golden boy" external projection masked a deep sadness, beyond the obvious that there was nothing of substance within, him being middle class in everything.

He moved to Edinburgh in the early 80's and quite proud of that he was too.

Our "capital" isn't fit to be described as such following the referendum. Not that it was fit for purpose before. Irvine Welsh is a great Scotsman and the best thing to have come out of there. The lawyers and the politicians that pollute our second city are a disgrace to humanity, let alone Scotland.

Pompous know it all cunts. Maybe there's something in the air you cunts breathe down there.

You may be on to something there... Well you may be if I'd actually been born or brought up in Edinburgh, or had lived there for longer than the time I was at uni. Unfortunately I'm just too lazy to change my username after having registered on donstalk when I still lived down there.

None of which has much to do with the merits of Shay Logan as a player, or the offshoot of this thread discussing McGinn.

I like the golden boy comparison though, you're sweet you wee charmer ;)

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2015, 01:02:45 AM »
It doesn't matter whether it was a lack of effort, demotivation, nose out of joint cos he wasn't playing where he wanted to be or whatever other spurious excuse you contrive. It is fact that he was shite for an extended period, an unacceptable one, one that you didn't even acknowledge. Rather, you tried to argue that he was never guilty of a lack of effort and even more stupidly, tried to invent excuses for his "apologetic" and equally unacceptable behaviour.

There's a ton of pressure on McGinn - and McInnes - for him to start producing when it really matters as he's never done so before. Our team has never been close to winning the league. And that's the whole point.

SAF had high profile players in Archibald and Strachan. Infinitely superior footballers to McGinn of course but deemed totally unacceptable for AFC. McGinn is probably our best footballer but is playing for us on 3rd division wages for a reason. You can come up with all the excuses you want but I suspect you're not actually that experienced in this game or otherwise know fuck all about anything. But I've made mistakes before and will do again but in this, your retractions and deflections paint a pretty defined pattern.
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2015, 07:46:04 AM »
It doesn't matter whether it was a lack of effort, demotivation, nose out of joint cos he wasn't playing where he wanted to be or whatever other spurious excuse you contrive. It is fact that he was shite for an extended period, an unacceptable one, one that you didn't even acknowledge. Rather, you tried to argue that he was never guilty of a lack of effort and even more stupidly, tried to invent excuses for his "apologetic" and equally unacceptable behaviour.

There's a ton of pressure on McGinn - and McInnes - for him to start producing when it really matters as he's never done so before. Our team has never been close to winning the league. And that's the whole point.

SAF had high profile players in Archibald and Strachan. Infinitely superior footballers to McGinn of course but deemed totally unacceptable for AFC. McGinn is probably our best footballer but is playing for us on 3rd division wages for a reason. You can come up with all the excuses you want but I suspect you're not actually that experienced in this game or otherwise know fuck all about anything. But I've made mistakes before and will do again but in this, your retractions and deflections paint a pretty defined pattern.

Of course it matters, there's a huge difference between being out of form and playing poorly because of a lack of effort, if you can't see that then I give up arguing with you as there's no point in trying to get you to see the point I'm making.  I've never said it's acceptable to be shite for an extended period, but it's a fact of life that players have spells where they are out of form, it happens and I firmly believe that things didn't click for him during that period rather than the lack of effort you've obviously convinced yourself of him being guilty of. It's no much wonder your tone and attitude towards other posters rub people up the wrong way, it's like battering your head against a brick wall trying to put any alternative point to you.

Also, I've never claimed to be experienced in the game or any of the other nonsense you've dreamed up in your head, I'm just a football fan like any other on this forum who forms their own opinion based on what I see. You've obviously formed a different opinion, enjoy getting worked up over McGinns "unacceptable behaviour"  :thumbsup:

Oh and there have been no deflections from me... As far as I know I've responded to every "point" you've made, but don't let that get in your way!
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2015, 09:11:26 AM »
So this Shay Logan character......

40/1 to be first scorer on Saturday and 500/1 to score a hat-trick.

I'm a man, and as a man I crave disappointment.

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2015, 09:31:42 AM »


There's a ton of pressure on McGinn - and McInnes - for him to start producing when it really matters as he's never done so before. Our team has never been close to winning the league. And that's the whole point.


The guy with the most assists in our team? Is that not "producing"? 

Really not sure why you're so angry about this dip in form he had - he's been our best player since Christmas and easily our best player this season on what I've seen. 
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2015, 10:28:20 AM »
The guy with the most assists in our team? Is that not "producing"? 

Really not sure why you're so angry about this dip in form he had - he's been our best player since Christmas and easily our best player this season on what I've seen.

I've said he's our best footballer. I'm not angry about when he was playing poorly. As frustrated as the rest of us, yes but not angry about McGinn.

The boy said that McGinn was never guilty of not putting in. He didn't even acknowledge that he had a dip in form at all originally. Rather, he denied that he was ever not trying hard enough and incredibly insultingly, said that any of us who thought that McGinn ever hasn't produced enough effort was clouding their judgement because of that goal at Parkhead. I don't know how you interpret plain words but that came across as pompous, snidey, kiard and know-it-all to me. It's easy to throw out general insults on the internet. Mine isn't a general insult, it's a specific observation on a specific post. His subsequent more than proves his nature.

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2015, 10:42:15 AM »
I've said he's our best footballer. I'm not angry about when he was playing poorly. As frustrated as the rest of us, yes but not angry about McGinn.

The boy said that McGinn was never guilty of not putting in. He didn't even acknowledge that he had a dip in form at all originally. Rather, he denied that he was ever not trying hard enough and incredibly insultingly, said that any of us who thought that McGinn ever hasn't produced enough effort was clouding their judgement because of that goal at Parkhead. I don't know how you interpret plain words but that came across as pompous, snidey, kiard and know-it-all to me. It's easy to throw out general insults on the internet. Mine isn't a general insult, it's a specific observation on a specific post. His subsequent more than proves his nature.

Don't let it ruin your argument or anything but I've acknowledged he had a dip in form on numerous occasions. (Including my first post...)   :-*
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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2015, 10:46:28 AM »
I think McGinn is a superb asset, I don't think anyone disputes that.  Even when he's out of form, he's still often the man most likely to do something as he's got the skill to create something out of nothing.

He has gone through a couple of prolonged spells of not scoring or not quite contributing as much as he can.  I'd argue that that isn't anything to do with a lack of effort or commitment to the cause from the loon but simply down to the margins of error involved.  Last season as an example, he had about 4 or 5 games on the bounce where he hit the woodwork.

On Shay, I'll be sad when he leaves.  Very solid player and a good character.  I like him a lot.  Can understand why he's looking to move down south though did have a chuckle over hearing two of our youth players discussing his situation, which basically went along the lines of "Everyone's talking about him going home to be near his new kid, he's got heaps of kids though, he needs to find classier women".

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Re: Shay Logan
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2015, 10:49:30 AM »
Of course it matters, there's a huge difference between being out of form and playing poorly because of a lack of effort, if you can't see that then I give up arguing with you as there's no point in trying to get you to see the point I'm making.  I've never said it's acceptable to be shite for an extended period, but it's a fact of life that players have spells where they are out of form, it happens and I firmly believe that things didn't click for him during that period rather than the lack of effort you've obviously convinced yourself of him being guilty of.

Read carefully.

I said that there's no difference between being demotivated, having one's nose out of joint or not trying hard enough.

You're getting confused.

Being out of form is the symptom, one that you didn't even acknowledge at first. On the contrary, you said that he was never guilty of not trying hard enough and said that anyone who thought this was so thick as to cloud their judgement because of one incident at Parkhead.

What causes the symptom is what we've moved on to.

In my experience, the biggest contributor to a loss in form - not just football - is a lack of, or a dip in confidence.

A lack of confidence is a completely different cause than not trying hard enough.

Before you "give up arguing", it's best to crystallise and understand what the argument is. Perhaps your confusion stems from your prejudice, a word that involves you making pre-judgements, for example: -

It's no much wonder your tone and attitude towards other posters rub people up the wrong way, it's like battering your head against a brick wall trying to put any alternative point to you.

Not only are you so incredibly pompous to tell us we've got clouded judgement if we don't accept your view that McGinn has never suffered from a lack of effort, without even acknowledging that he had a major dip in form, without having the courtesy to tell us why he did (which of course you couldn't because you didn't acknowledge it), you're so superior, insightful and enlightened that you can speak on behalf of everyone.

I'm not having a go at anyone else here. You spoke shite, I pulled you up on it and you blame me? Weirdo.

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