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« Reply #840 on: December 12, 2019, 10:51:40 PM »
Agreed, independence unstoppable if this exit poll is correct.

Exit poll predicting both Aberdeenshire West & Kincardineshire and Aberdeen South both to go to SNP. Aberdeen North to stay SNP.

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« Reply #841 on: December 12, 2019, 11:41:08 PM »
Papparazzi found a candidats for this years most tory of tories



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« Reply #842 on: December 13, 2019, 12:25:34 AM »
If exit poll is correct then we are fucked. With a majority of 86 there is no chance Boris will grant a another independence referendum. Boris with size of the majority will run this country for the good of the rich at the expense of the poor.
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« Reply #843 on: December 13, 2019, 02:19:43 AM »
The only guarantee of the upcoming abortion is that it will be a hung parliament.

But since you work in politics, you obviously know best.

Since you have form for avoiding questions, I won't lose sleep when you further fail to back up the stupidity of your worthless opinion.
Aye, well done the appropriately named "rocket". I won't expect an apology from someone like you, but what a load of shite you've spewed about politics, particularly this.

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« Reply #844 on: December 13, 2019, 07:54:30 AM »
Snp 48, tory 8, Labour 1, lib-dem 2, Hair, Clark & Kerr the losing Tories, with two permed from the rest.

Impressive prediction. Will you be resigning (as canvasser) after the SNP's poor result our area?


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« Reply #845 on: December 13, 2019, 08:18:27 AM »
I'm conflicted. About the mixed results from Scotland and the UK as a whole but also about the voters who voted tactically for the SNP despite being against Independence. I'm not sure if I should sympathise with them or say "I told you so". I guess it's a bit of both. Ironically their tactical votes were fruitless because of how people in England voted. This in itself is a massive advert for Independence. So the anti-Tory yoons up here have two choices. Learn to eat shit and like the taste (a motto used by the enigmatic Vince McMahon of the WWE) or re-think their position on Independence from the ground up. Ask themselves why are they so against it. Is it a historical family position and if so why are their ancestors thoughts still relevant? Is it from a place of genuine concern for how we'd manage? Is it because you hate the foreign devils that the Scottish Government are so welcoming of? Whatever it is we can talk it out. I briefly remember being undecided. I had voted prior to 2014 but I didn't really give a fuck. Lack of interest. I had zero political beliefs forced down to me by my upbringing so I went into my research as a blank slate. My foreigner Dad can't vote in general elections (disgrace) and my Mum was a labour voter in the 90s as far as I remember. We certainly weren't "nationalists" and yet it didn't take me very long at all to see that an Independent Scotland just made sense. In so many ways. Financially, diplomatically, politically, the list goes on. The fact that it's morally correct too matters little but the fact remains.

I'd like to hope we can convince the doubters because it's either that or £500 per month for medical insurance that covers fuck all. If you get the flu it'll only cover the cold. If you get lung cancer it'll only cover brain cancer. If you get hit by a bus it'll only cover being hit by a lorry.

On the plus side we'll get to keep our nukes in our back garden.

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« Reply #846 on: December 13, 2019, 08:47:52 AM »
I'm conflicted. About the mixed results from Scotland and the UK as a whole but also about the voters who voted tactically for the SNP despite being against Independence. I'm not sure if I should sympathise with them or say "I told you so". I guess it's a bit of both. Ironically their tactical votes were fruitless because of how people in England voted. This in itself is a massive advert for Independence. So the anti-Tory yoons up here have two choices. Learn to eat shit and like the taste (a motto used by the enigmatic Vince McMahon of the WWE) or re-think their position on Independence from the ground up. Ask themselves why are they so against it. Is it a historical family position and if so why are their ancestors thoughts still relevant? Is it from a place of genuine concern for how we'd manage? Is it because you hate the foreign devils that the Scottish Government are so welcoming of? Whatever it is we can talk it out. I briefly remember being undecided. I had voted prior to 2014 but I didn't really give a fuck. Lack of interest. I had zero political beliefs forced down to me by my upbringing so I went into my research as a blank slate. My foreigner Dad can't vote in general elections (disgrace) and my Mum was a labour voter in the 90s as far as I remember. We certainly weren't "nationalists" and yet it didn't take me very long at all to see that an Independent Scotland just made sense. In so many ways. Financially, diplomatically, politically, the list goes on. The fact that it's morally correct too matters little but the fact remains.

I'd like to hope we can convince the doubters because it's either that or £500 per month for medical insurance that covers fuck all. If you get the flu it'll only cover the cold. If you get lung cancer it'll only cover brain cancer. If you get hit by a bus it'll only cover being hit by a lorry.

On the plus side we'll get to keep our nukes in our back garden.

 :'(

As usual you're missing the point, and still haven't got over the reasons why Scotland didn't say "Yes" the last time. 

Anyway, there's more anti-Brexit sentiment in Scotland than there is pro-independence.  But as an academic (can't remember who) stated in the Guardian a couple of months back, Scottish independence will come from something the English do, not a drive from Scotland, and that's exactly what will happen.  Many will now vote for independence partly because they reject this hard-right Brexit that will be forced upon us - and I'll certainly be one of them.

Obviously there is now the added complication that a sub-section of the Scottish population want Brexit AND Scottish Independence.

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« Reply #847 on: December 13, 2019, 08:52:26 AM »
As usual you're missing the point, and still haven't got over the reasons why Scotland didn't say "Yes" the last time. 

Anyway, there's more anti-Brexit sentiment in Scotland than there is pro-independence.  But as an academic (can't remember who) stated in the Guardian a couple of months back, Scottish independence will come from something the English do, not a drive from Scotland, and that's exactly what will happen.  Many will now vote for independence partly because they reject this hard-right Brexit that will be forced upon us - and I'll certainly be one of them.

Obviously there is now the added complication that a sub-section of the Scottish population want Brexit AND Scottish Independence.

Would you do me a favour and be kind enough to elaborate on the point that I've missed?

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« Reply #848 on: December 13, 2019, 10:16:42 AM »
An absolutely tragic and disgusting day for politics. Hope is being extinguished. As the day of reckoning came, England couldn't vote for Corbyn and for Scotland to return more Tories than Labour seats is embarrassing. I don't think anyone could've predicted a Boris landslide on this scale. At least we will get out of the EU but we must get out of Westminster. The folk voting Lib Dem in Aberdeen West and Kincardine deserve to be shot. WTF were they thinking? They let that Bowie arsehole back in. We knew there were so many stupid cunts around. I couldn't imagine there would be this many. Fuck off to the lot of them, the fucking media have twisted our nation, and the sheeple allowed them to do it.
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« Reply #849 on: December 13, 2019, 11:22:00 AM »
Impressive prediction. Will you be resigning (as canvasser) after the SNP's poor result our area?
8000 majority down to 800.

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« Reply #850 on: December 13, 2019, 11:43:22 AM »
Only 45% of Scotland voted SNP. That's not any indication that Indyref 2 would succeed. A very bad day across the whole of the UK. Socially progressive politics won't see the light of day.
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« Reply #851 on: December 13, 2019, 12:54:56 PM »
I expected Boris to get his majority, but not quite the number he ended up with.

A very sad night and yet again we Scots have voted against a party who will still govern us.

It is a tragic situation and I hope to fuck we at least get another chance of an Independence referendum. Two guys I work with would now vote to leave after yesterdays election. I think there will be plenty others and I would hope people don't believe the lies they gave us in 2014.

The one plus was seeing Swinson lose her seat and then resign. If anyone person was ever so unsuitable as a party leader then Jo Swinson was that person.



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« Reply #853 on: December 16, 2019, 11:34:07 AM »
8000 majority down to 800.

I won't be needed again, Scotland won't have another Westminster election

I hope this prediction as as good as your last. Although I'm not hopeful.

46% of votes went to pro indy parties in Scotland. Many of these are likely to have been votes against Brexit or the Tories rather than against the Union. I'm sure there will be the odd pro-indy Labour and even Tory voter. (I know one who voted yes in 2014.) But my point is there will have been more pro-union SNP/Green voters on Thursday than pro-indy Labour/Lib Dem/Tory so it doesn't bode well for winning a new indyref. We'll have to convince the 15% of the electorate in Scotland who didn't vote to get out and vote yes and the previous no voters who have been "forced" to yes are all very welcome and necessary to win.


Kow I'm still genuinely curious as to the point that I missed? Help me out.

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« Reply #854 on: December 16, 2019, 04:27:47 PM »
I hope this prediction as as good as your last. Although I'm not hopeful.

46% of votes went to pro indy parties in Scotland. Many of these are likely to have been votes against Brexit or the Tories rather than against the Union. I'm sure there will be the odd pro-indy Labour and even Tory voter. (I know one who voted yes in 2014.) But my point is there will have been more pro-union SNP/Green voters on Thursday than pro-indy Labour/Lib Dem/Tory so it doesn't bode well for winning a new indyref. We'll have to convince the 15% of the electorate in Scotland who didn't vote to get out and vote yes and the previous no voters who have been "forced" to yes are all very welcome and necessary to win.


Kow I'm still genuinely curious as to the point that I missed? Help me out.

Don’t forget the 16&17 year olds who will potentially be able to vote in a referendum, and the eu nationals. The majority of both groups are likely to be Yes voters.
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« Reply #855 on: December 17, 2019, 10:36:21 AM »
Don’t forget the 16&17 year olds who will potentially be able to vote in a referendum, and the eu nationals. The majority of both groups are likely to be Yes voters.


Fair points. That's assuming the EU nationals aren't as thick as their hosts. Most of them voted No in 2014 I guess because they felt independence would threaten their status in Scotland. You'd think now that most of them would now see that Yes is the way to go.

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« Reply #856 on: December 17, 2019, 01:32:52 PM »
There are still around 350000 English residents of Scotland eligible to vote. Last time round only 9% of them voted for independence. I can't see that figure improving by a significant amount. It was the other 91% who stopped independence. Had they been prevented from voting (and I absolutely accept they must be allowed their say) we would already be free.

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« Reply #857 on: December 17, 2019, 02:08:33 PM »
There are still around 350000 English residents of Scotland eligible to vote. Last time round only 9% of them voted for independence. I can't see that figure improving by a significant amount. It was the other 91% who stopped independence. Had they been prevented from voting (and I absolutely accept they must be allowed their say) we would already be free.

Nah. We lost by ~385K. And you've assumed that all 350K voted, rather than the 85% that applied to the rest of the electorate. In reality, we'd have had around 300K actually voting, with 270K of those voting No and 30K Yes. Still 145K short. If we'd prevented Aberdeenshire from voting then we'd have probably faired just as well.

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« Reply #858 on: December 17, 2019, 02:22:49 PM »



The one plus was seeing Swinson lose her seat and then resign. If anyone person was ever so unsuitable as a party leader then Jo Swinson was that person.


Aye but given a challenge like that, the Labour Party (in full suicide mode) is trying to make sure we have a Tory government for a minimum of 10 more years.

Rebecca Long Bailey for fuck sake.

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« Reply #859 on: December 17, 2019, 02:35:16 PM »
Convincing as many of the almost 590,000 eligible voters in Scotland who didn't vote at all will be where the battle is won if it ever is.