rocket_scientist Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Do any of us know what's going on? Do we give a fuck? When 11 out of every 20 "Scots" vote for a continuing governance by Westminster, we know there's a deep problem. As a fat English taxi driver gets executed by persons in Iraq, like a couple of "western" folk before him, listen to the rhetoric. It's like the modus operandi - beheading - makes the millions of lives taken by the "coalition" to be all right? Since when did Iraqi lives mean less than a puckle of journos and aid workers? Since when did millions of dead mean less than half a dozen? How did this get so fucked up? Obama and Cameron are being provoked and all they come out with is lies. Are we, the sheeple, so stupid not to see what's going on? Judging by the referendum, we certainly are. Fuckwits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Until folk stop believing (or reading/watching) newspapers and BBC News we will be victims of the propaganda machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunnered999 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Don't forget the absolute steaming pile of shite that came out of the SNP about the NHS during the referrendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Don't forget the absolute steaming pile of shite that came out of the SNP about the NHS during the referrendum Ahh, Project Fear versus Project McFear. It really was a truly embarrassing campaign from both sides, and a huge insult to Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc_don Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Ahh, Project Fear versus Project McFear. It really was a truly embarrassing campaign from both sides, and a huge insult to Scotland. I still don't know what the truth was during the campaign. Both of them were at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 The numbers were there. The evidence was there. We fucked it up. It's that simple. Allow me to talk about the "embarrassing fear campaign from both sides" for a minute. Let's compare it to cheating football teams. The Yes campaign are on the level of Legia Warsaw who fielded a suspended player for 3 minutes 3 games after his 3 game suspension kicked in when they were 4-1 up. And the No campaign are on the level of Rangers Football Club (deceased) for their decades of blatant cheating, lying and living outwith their means. My point is the fear campaign from No and Yes aren't really comparable. No based their entire campaign of making spastics shit themselves because they knew the numbers would encourage a Yes vote. Doesn't matter now. At least 55% of us voted no so we can help line Westminster pockets. Fucking clowns. "Vote No for better, faster, safer change" Fucking LOL. Arseholes. : : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 The numbers were there. The evidence was there. We fucked it up. It's that simple. Allow me to talk about the "embarrassing fear campaign from both sides" for a minute. Let's compare it to cheating football teams. The Yes campaign are on the level of Legia Warsaw who fielded a suspended player for 3 minutes 3 games after his 3 game suspension kicked in when they were 4-1 up. And the No campaign are on the level of Rangers Football Club (deceased) for their decades of blatant cheating, lying and living outwith their means. Personally I saw the yes campaign more like the Romanov regime at Hearts or Bonetti brothers at Dundee. Promised X Y & Z and everytime someone asked 'how can you afford this' they either deflected the issue and accused the press etc of bias or made claims of mythical investment with no firm evidence to back them up. Could have been totally wrong and it would all have been milk and honey but at the same time it could have been liquidation and economic suicide. The 'NO' campaign barely had to lift a finger because the YES campaign didn't give themselves enough time to get credible evidence to do the job of convincing the majority to make a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Personally I saw the yes campaign more like the Romanov regime at Hearts or Bonetti brothers at Dundee. Promised X Y & Z and everytime someone asked 'how can you afford this' they either deflected the issue and accused the press etc of bias or made claims of mythical investment with no firm evidence to back them up. Could have been totally wrong and it would all have been milk and honey but at the same time it could have been liquidation and economic suicide. The 'NO' campaign barely had to lift a finger because the YES campaign didn't give themselves enough time to get credible evidence to do the job of convincing the majority to make a change. Where are these examples of the yes campaigns promises that were too ambitious? The debate was far too presidential, tedious and pernickety and that worked for the no camp. Rather than focusing on if we wanted independence the debate was for too focused on if we can do it. But it also seems like there were a hell of a lot of people who claimed to be undecided but in reality were just trying to find a good enough reason to vote no rather than admitting it was because there was a tiny chance it might affect their own job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Its not a questions of being too ambitious. The issue was they never put down enough facts to back everything up spending way too much time attacking the no campaign instead of just getting on with things and letting facts do the talking. Their job was to convince the majority to change from the status quo and they went about it as you stated in a presidential way - we will do this and that and everything will be fantastic falling into the cynical mind trap of 'if it sounds too good to be true it probably is'. Possibly a similar reason why the Pars and Arabs told Romanov where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Until the Yes campaign and some of their supporters can have a proper introspective review at where things went wrong and not continue to blame the Tory's/BBC etc... there will never be independence in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlg1903 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 It's pretty clear where yes got it wrong imo, their grassroots campaign did not extend to the 55+ voters particularly when it came to pensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket_scientist Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Amazing shite getting spake here. Either you see what Cameron/Milliband/Clegg and Obama and the EEC represent or you don't. The opportunity NOT to separate from the establishment says much about the electorate. 55% of the people who live in this country are total shit. They are either feart or stupid. We lost the opportunity to change the world. Romance, optimism, intelligence, pragmatism, critical thinking, determination, integrity - some Scots have it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie03 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Amazing shite getting spake here. Either you see what Cameron/Milliband/Clegg and Obama and the EEC represent or you don't. The opportunity NOT to separate from the establishment says much about the electorate. 55% of the people who live in this country are total shit. They are either feart or stupid. We lost the opportunity to change the world. Romance, optimism, intelligence, pragmatism, critical thinking, determination, integrity - some Scots have it all. Oh wow I like this post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolenrouge Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 We really should revert to GSTQ as the national football anthem. It would be total hypocrisy to continue to use Flower Of Scotland because the referendum confirmed that Scotland is a nation of visionless fucking cowards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 then please, do not moan about any cut backs, any tax increases or anything westminster throws down our throats. Can we moan at the ones done by the scottish Parliament or are they untouchable? Anyway tax increases? That doesnt happen in the UK. Its all tax cuts, higher thresholds and benefits frezes apart from the Lib dems who seem to be trying to fight back (pointless as they are dead to most people till the 2020 election). We want things like the NHS, public transport, decent schools but dare to suggest we pay a bit more tax and its a lynch mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 We really should revert to GSTQ as the national football anthem. It would be total hypocrisy to continue to use Flower Of Scotland because the referendum confirmed that Scotland is a nation of visionless fucking cowards. Never mind the national anthem we shouldn't have a football team. We're a region not a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket_scientist Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Can we moan at the ones done by the scottish Parliament or are they untouchable? Anyway tax increases? That doesnt happen in the UK. Its all tax cuts, higher thresholds and benefits frezes apart from the Lib dems who seem to be trying to fight back (pointless as they are dead to most people till the 2020 election). We want things like the NHS, public transport, decent schools but dare to suggest we pay a bit more tax and its a lynch mob. No politician is untouchable. By their very nature, they are likely to be arseholes. It's not a question of how much or how little we pay in tax. The far bigger issue is inefficiency, corruption and waste. The cost of illegal wars is frightening. Forget the agenda and propaganda "purpose" that they shovel to us. The sheer cost of bombs and flights and fuel and wages and hardware and infrastructure and support services could build a hospital or ninety, and staff and equip them for a decade. Speaking of healthcare, the level of inefficiency in the NHS is beyond belief. The over-staffing of non-productive personnel - managers and quangos basically - is designed to lead to privatisation. What sort of sick fucking establishment deliberately wastes tax-payers money for years to engineer a change that will put billions in the hands of a few? An extra penny in Income Tax would raise a considerable amount for the Exchequer. It's what they do with it that is key and neither Labour, Conservative, the coalition or any fucking other establishment party are spending public money like it was their own. Their agendas are twisted beyond anything resembling public service and as for integrity, that concept in politics is long gone. The greatest danger is the American people. Until they revolt - and it's probably too late given their dumbed-down state of irrevocable platitude and the police state that it's become with individual rights and the constitution having been completely abandoned - the regime continue to press for war and world hegemony. Unless the US establishment get a war, they are fucked, being financially, morally and spiritually bankrupt already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Do any of us know what's going on? Do we give a fuck? When 11 out of every 20 "Scots" vote for a continuing governance by Westminster, we know there's a deep problem. As a fat English taxi driver gets executed by persons in Iraq, like a couple of "western" folk before him, listen to the rhetoric. It's like the modus operandi - beheading - makes the millions of lives taken by the "coalition" to be all right? Since when did Iraqi lives mean less than a puckle of journos and aid workers? Since when did millions of dead mean less than half a dozen? How did this get so fucked up? Obama and Cameron are being provoked and all they come out with is lies. Are we, the sheeple, so stupid not to see what's going on? Judging by the referendum, we certainly are. Fuckwits. Amazing shite getting spake here. Either you see what Cameron/Milliband/Clegg and Obama and the EEC represent or you don't. The opportunity NOT to separate from the establishment says much about the electorate. 55% of the people who live in this country are total shit. They are either feart or stupid. We lost the opportunity to change the world. Romance, optimism, intelligence, pragmatism, critical thinking, determination, integrity - some Scots have it all. :clap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It's pretty clear where yes got it wrong imo, their grassroots campaign did not extend to the 55+ voters particularly when it came to pensions. Or the under 25 age group. Or the over 40 age group. The only age group to vote Yes were the 25 - 39 group. Source: YouGov poll the night before the vote which correctly predicted the 55-45 result. Thinking it was pensioners that lost the vote for the Yes campaign is one of the reasons yes has got it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 then please, do not moan about any cut backs, any tax increases or anything westminster throws down our throats. A very strange comment considering Holyrood is now using it's tax varying powers. Sounds like you might have swallowed some of the nonsense from Project McFear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 A very strange comment considering Holyrood is now using it's tax varying powers. Sounds like you might have swallowed some of the nonsense from Project McFear? The campaigns really shouldn't have mattered anyway. It's difficult to predict what's going to happen in the next year with politics/economics so there was little point in arguing about it with Scotland. The yes campaign should have focused on the archaic and nepotistic political system we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlg1903 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Or the under 25 age group. Or the over 40 age group. The only age group to vote Yes were the 25 - 39 group. Source: YouGov poll the night before the vote which correctly predicted the 55-45 result. Thinking it was pensioners that lost the vote for the Yes campaign is one of the reasons yes has got it wrong. Not according to the lord ashcroft poll from after the referendum Kow. It shays 16-54 were yes and 55+ were no http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Not according to the lord ashcroft poll from after the referendum Kow. It shays 16-54 were yes and 55+ were no http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf Both have small sample sizes so neither can be relied upon. The Ashcroft poll margin for error in the 17-18 years was something like 45-92% yes so can't take much from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlg1903 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 for a poll over 2000 is quite high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 for a poll over 2000 is quite high But it is then allocated into age groups and pollsters struggle to get younger folk anyway. With 17-18 having only two year age gap the sample size was tiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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