Millertime

i dont agree

lets not turn it into a "millertime hates jess" fiasco either

i honestly would love to like Ifil, he's big, powerful and has an awesome presence - however, hes fucking diabolical.

hes a liability and commits fouls left right and centre.

ESPECIALLY down to him being one of our top earners, get him to fuck

Hartley has always been a very classy player. I remember watching him several times for St Johnsotne and he was sticking out regularly - in fact I believe we had a chance to sign him when saints went down but we were being deliberately contrary by signing awful players on a pittance at the time.

 

That he is slow and cumbersome now is unfortunate, but the fact is we would currently have no right to sign a player of his quality if he was still at his peak. His influence is undeniable however, and even in games where his passes are goung astray you know that he will still be making a nuisance of himself, something which can't be said of past midfielders. Add into the equation his leadership qualities and you get a player well worth having.

thats what im saying, pretty much

he is a shadow of the player he once was, but general consensus is his leadership qualities sees him through -fair enough

as for the numpty saying theyve seen maguire or mackie produce as much magic as Zero did...shut your fucking mouths

5-1 against killie.....hat-trick at dens.....free-kick against st mirren....screamers against dundee utd and motherwell....Hicham Zerouali was indeed a magician and was THE most technically gifted player of my generation of supporting the dons

the fans' adulation forhim even put a certain mr jess' nose out of joint, as the old story about Atlantic Telecom replacing his cardboard cut out with Zero's, goes to prove

im absolutely ecstatic to hear him say that

i must be in the minority as i actually thought he was fine in difficult circumstances

he's got the face of a guy you could make cry quite easily.

by that, i mean he doesnt look like a "strong" willed guy, or give off an aura of confidence, but i liked him yesterday

he was blatantly shoved over in the box and for the next 15/20 mins he was throwing himself about - i liked that

Again, another dreadful comparison. Miller was so far from being a leader of men. Talented, possibly, but lazy and not bright enough to manage himself let alone a teams motivation.

can i just clarify i wasnt saying zero was a captain-esque player, i was saying the word was we couldnt afford to have someone in the team who wasnt contributing 100% of the time

i asked the same question of hartley, seeing as how i dont think he contributes at all in a playing sense

Yes. Not nearly as often.

well, he inspired me every time i watched him

so much so, that i used to go to reserve games to see him (coming back from injury and ebbe dropping him!)

thats horrific then

is there a chance that it could hinder him for the rest of his career then if it wasnt a "simple" injury?

What is there to bite about?

 

If you genuinely think Zero was a player you could rely on to put a shift in and inspire others around you then we'll leave it there and agree to disagree.

id say he DEFINITELY inspired his team mates, but in a wholly different way to paul hartley does.

i think someone in another thread was alluding to young Fraser's injury being much worse than anticipated...does anyone know what it actually was that happened to him?

Zero - did fuck all for 89 minutes, would do something inspirational for one minute.

 

Hartley - Inspirational for 90 minutes although the legs are going.

 

There's the difference.

not biting for the Zero thing, that's for another thread

fair enough yeah

was just wondering if anyone else felt the same or if i was in the minority

We need an inspirational captain and your saying that he fits the bill so its a no brainer.

he is the epitome of an inspirational captain, he really is

but i think hes a passenger on the park

my question was, can we accept that?

not what im saying

in a footballing sense - he really doesnt have it anymore

as an inspirational captain he certainly does however

tis a tough one

Zero did none of what?

i seen the full 90 mins of the hibs game yeah

it defnitely "eeked" a little more out of him, did the hibs game, for obvious reasons

i honestly believe he is past it.

hes SO slow that its really easy to skin him

and yeah fully aware how many he's scored

however theyre not as a result of his fine outfield play...theyre penalties so they dont damage my points

did you see Hartley's deliveries today?

Yes.

 

Next question?

i really dont know if we can.

when we had Zerouali, it was said that we could not afford to "carry" him as although he was capable of genius, he wasnt someone who worked his arse off for 90  mins, so why is hartley any different?

so was Charles'!

inspirational figure. he really is.

looking at the way he talks to our players throughout the game.

the way he barracks the opposition

the way he generally just struts about with his chest out, its great to see.

HOWEVER...i think weve been so starved of proper professionals over the years that its actually a little sad how we - i included - have latched onto this guy as being some kind of messiah

i want to hammer home that im happy hes at our club and that hes our captain, but...im sorry to say, he looks like a shadow of a player out on the park

the game seems to continually pass him by and my question is....can we afford that?

fair enough, the reasoning is sound, i just hate seeing the pair of them as fullbacks as theyre so, so vulnerable

our team right now though is littered with players who arent good enough and it seriously pisses me off

Vuja most defnitely did not start left back

Booth, Richard Gordon and Derek Ferguson said we looked vastly improved and organised.

 

Folly was positioned on the right hand side, no surprise he didn't impress.

 

Hartley was excellent against Hibs but the commentary suggested he had a more withdrawn and defensive role today, I wasn't overly keen on the line in midfield today given Folly wide and Young and Hartley in the middle, distinct lack of pace which probably compounded how deep Hartley was.

 

Consi isn't a left back either but Brown can onlypish wi the cock he's cock right now.

 

You're right we aren't very good, the league tells it's story, but there's clearly been an improvement and I do not thnk we "got out of jail", a little over dramatic for a game which sounded like no-one was going to win it.

i cant believe that folly was actually told to play right mid, thats just odd.

consi most certainly isnt a left back, hes barely a centre back

why it wasnt vudja left back, diamond and mcardle centre backs and mcnamee or jack right back ill never know

mcardle and consi as our full backs is a joke

lets hope we bring in some right good players in january

Vernon most certainly wasnt poor. he held the ball up well and put a good couple of through balls on a plate for maguire. he also scored when it mattered, so more than pass marks for him

my first game in a while and christ, i now remember why

we really are not a good football team

we're still all over the place and craig brown has a big job to do

pass marks to langfield, diamond, vernon, aluko, maguire and young jack when he came on, the rest were dross.

considine is a calamity, folly was all over the place (including the right wing numerous times), and hartley as a footballer is finished. it pains me to say it, as hes definitely a great influence, but hes finished. his legs are completely gone, he has no pace and the game just passes him by

delighted by the last minute goal, as its exactly what scummy hamilton deserved.

aluko coming on seemed to coincide with a change in tact from our team and we definitely got out of jail

anyone know if theres anywhere for parking at hamilton?

is the delectably handsome "disco dave" on here at all?

jesus...

anyway, is it defo gonna be on?