Andrew

Any know of any jobs in Ireland?

Dundee the capital of an independent Scotland. Was hoping it would be at least 60% yes though. Still planning my move to Ireland.

What a shite wee country we are.

Going to be a long horrible night.

Anyone staying up? My head is fucking spinning atm. No idea what's going to happen but I feel things aren't going to be good.

The BBC news?

 

I'm never paying a license fee again. The way they have reported over the last week has been nothing short of criminal. It's really opened my eyes to what that organisation is all about.

It's an absolute joke. If I ever had bothered to to pay the license fee I would be stopping now.

Anyway there is only a week to go to the referendum. Take the clearly biased main stream media with a pinch of salt. Read up as much information as you can. Stay strong and in a weeks time we will finally be able to make decisions for ourselves.

Our we will vote no and I will be off to Ireland(maybe. if I don't get this job I'm applying to).

But 10 years is a long time if you are looking over your shoulder at redundancy and keeping your family fed and in a suitable/ nice house. Is 10 years of hassle worth it if you are a pensioner and will be dead by the time it could be great. The romantic notion of 'doing it for future generations' does not fit with a capitalist 'Me' society where its get what you can quickly and sod the rest.

 

Why would there be 10 years of hassle? Quick unscientific look at GDP per capita of recently independent countries(Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Bosina, Czech Replublic, Croatia) show that they have all being doing well with no signs of there been any penalisation for independence but rather the opposite. I am a being a bit biased as their situations are different to what Scotland's is atm but I still think its a legitimate point.

For a hideous drunken wreck, Andrew, you do make some sense there. 

Terribly drunk last night. I really wish I picked a better user name so I could stay more anonymous. But I am just getting annoyed about how the independence debate seems all about the short term and pernickety things. It should be about a constitutional change and on what side your on not about small things that will clearly work themselves out. Life will be more or less unchanged after independence so its about who you want to run the country really. All the unionist arguments seem to be about why Scotland can't do it rather than why Scotland should stay in the UK.

They will listen if it means they stay in Government.

They will listen if it means keeping trident on the Clyde for a couple of decades. But anyway listening to No folks I constantly think they get worked about the semantics its embarrassing. I would much rather they stated their love for the Queen, their love for Eton rule, their love for archaic rule for the House of Lords and other such nonsenses that go with the UK parliament. I wish they answered there love for centralised power and how much it has done for other countries. How much someone else ruling Scotland has done for Scotland. Want more immigration, well your big brother that runs you down south don't so you can fuck off. You care about your fishing rights? Well the rest of the EU wants it to its sold away so we can join the common market. Do you care about your army regiments, of course not, we will make them into one. But vote no.

I don't want to get into systematics but what do either of David Cameron, Nick Clegg or Ed Milliband know about Scotland? But vote no. Keep getting further alienated from the real reason of independence and into the systematics. I've heard arguments about Currency, The EU, NHS, Education, Sports in Scotland. These are not issues that should be taken lightly but that are ones that in an independent country will be solved. The idea that Scotland can not be run a normal countries is an embarrassment. I do not understand what people think will happen in a yes vote.

We will have the option to vote for whoever we wish. We will be run by people in our own country, and not by those from Eton. The NHS, which is run by Scotland, will keep going. The pensions, which are unfunded atm by the UK government, will carry on.

The only real difference is that you will be run by yourselves. There will be no more borders but you will have a chance to rule yourselves. We can rid ourselves of the Eton-Oxbridge route to Prime Minister. We can start ourselves. We can start afresh. We can start a new country with a new beginning.

I think the quoted poster is delusional with "System Justification".

(1) Ignoring the Tory plans for a referendum on Europe for just now, how does a Yes vote secure EU membership?  You need to have a central bank.  We can't have sterlingisation and EU membership.

 

(2) Do you view all No voters as spastics?

 

I only got as far as the first page of the Wee Blue Book.  It states "On 18 September 2014, between the hours of 7am and 10pm, absolute sovereign power will lie in the hands of the Scottish people. They have to decide whether to keep it, or give it away to where their minority status makes them permanently powerless and vulnerable. " but we would be handing over control of our interest rates to a foreign country, which is less power than we have now, certainly not "absolute sovereign power".  Some folk will believe what they want to believe, not the facts.

With Scotland and rUK having fairly similar economies it doesn't really matter if the BoE controls Scotland's interest rates. It's not like the eurozone with countries such as Germany needing low interest rates and countries like Greece, Italy, Spain etc. needing higher interest rates.

But in reality I don't think economics is why you should be voting yes or no. If there is no currency union(which I think there will be) we will probably use the pound unofficially for a few years and then look to joining the euro or have our own currency. We will join the EU with being a rich country with oil and a net exporter of renewable energy. Apart from maybe a few teething problems Scotland would just be like every other small rich country ticking along just fine. Or you could vote no and as a vote winner the Tories will scrap the barnett formula, Scotland will keep subsiding the rUK and we will be forever called "subsidised benefit junkies" and dragged into illegal wars while being run by a different country. Our EU membership will be risked through not only a referendum but also by making sure the London's financial district is safe while selling any Scottish fishing rights down the drain.

Tl;dr You shouldn't base your vote on what will happen in the next 2-3 years but on the next 20-30 years.

out of non drunken interest should a No vote come up where exactly are you going to go?

England - a country that runs itself.

Go to vegas, put it all on number 7 - win, then live like a king for a month, or lose, and become a hopeless crackheid.

 

Scared to look for a job - but mintal enough to book a trip to NYC for a month when ye've got nae income 

I won a pretty good amount in Vegas. Enough for a few strippers and a massive steak and bit left over. Great night. I was scared to walk home the night I won! Anyway now I am unemployed, pretty depressed and all that. Where now? Anywhere? I want a job and if Scotland votes no I am leaving. Also is this it? I am drinking too much. I have stoped drinking by myself though !

Out

Lonach

Lonach/back to Aberdeen

7-1

Out in town(all in kilt from ebay bought for Scotland game)

Just seen the highlights, Magennis is still shite

 

Three year contract 

 

Going to be a long season for Killie.

With any luck Michael Johnston will get two games against his beloved Zombies next season....in the Championship

My highlight in Section Y on Sunday was someone half singing "the Hearts Song" when they heard the result. Great cheer in the Pittodrie bar when the scored as well. If neither of the Old Firm win their respective leagues this year I shall die happy.

Sometimes I am worried I am a hipster.

I don't understand why everyone is annoyed? It's brilliant for the Scottish game. Who doesn't want the run away leaders to get another £20m?

I thought Salmond did clearly better than Darling. Having said that I missed the first hour so that fits in with what DD Don said about how he started poorly.

 

I too am getting sick of every cunt thinking they're an expert but I still can't help but feel pissed off at the spastic reasons that some spastics are voting no for. I'm sure there are spastics who are voting yes for the wrong reasons too but at least they're guessing right.

 

Did Salmond clarify whether he plans to step down from politics if there's a yes vote? I can't help but feel that would net a few undecideds.

A couple of horrible cunts were going on about how were too wee and small to run ourselves. What a dour moronic attitude to have.

'Tis the time of year again where I believe that we can win the league. Slightly more realistic with the hope that Celtics new manager can be John Barnes mark 2.

Does anyone know if the Salmon v Darling debate will be shown outside of the UK?

 

I know it's on the STV player but I'm getting an error with the player (although the debate doesn't start until 8pm BST) - not sure if it's just the content now that's an issue or if it will be an issue with the debate as well?

From the BBC...

Viewers in Scotland, from the rest of the UK, and across the world will be able to watch the debate online with a globally available livestream on the STV Player.

If it doesn't work just use Hola unblocker.

 

I think if yer gonna use a country as an example for the pros of independence in terms of money I would stick well clear of Ireland.

With the fact that the average person in Ireland and Iceland is still richer I think would be a good shout for independence. Smaller countries are able to specialise their economies in certain areas but this also means that they are more prone to economic cycles due to less diversification. Scotland has a lot of small niche industries that, as an independent country, we could focus on and increase our GDP. Would this make things worse during a downturn, yes, but it would also increase the amount taken in during the good times.

Of course we could also just lower corporation tax to what Ireland is and create jobs that way. Ireland takes in the same amount of tax, proportionately, as the average for the other EU countries but at the same time the tax there is well below the EU average so they have more industry and further secondary taxation.

Enlighten me as to how Ireland is 'now' richer than the UK?

Its GDP per capita is $45,950 while the UK's is $38,919. I was meaning proportionately rather than overall clearly it will never be richer overall.

If folk are voting for independence just to wind up the huns then we really do live in a fucked up country.

 

As for the currency and not caring what it is, just ask the Irish - the Euro has been a complete disaster.  The Yes campaign don't have a Plan B if we can't use the pound sterling, this is still the clincher for many people.

The same Ireland that went from one of the poorest nations in Europe after when it gained independence in the 20s to now being richer than the UK?

When we negotiate we will agree to keep trident in Scotland for x amount of years and Scotland will be able to keep using the BoE as the lender of the last resort with an eye on creating its on currency in the future.

Walk.

I have fuck all else to do. Don't have a job. No longer a student.

Anyway have any ideas? I want to go but don't want to spend £400 on flights.

He's a horrible human being. Had he not achieved what he had with us I wouldn't give him the time of day.

I remember speaking to a lovely chap in Munich who was a member of the Rob Roy Reds. He said how Mcghee was invited along to one of their events and he acted all grumpy and miserable and presided to drink all the expensive drinks at the free bar. Never liked him since that day and it turned out he is indeed not a great guy.