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I think it should be scrapped too , and replaced by "last goal the winner" if the scores are level on aggregate

In the event of a tie at the end of 90 minutes in the second leg , whichever team scored the last goal , even if that was in the first leg ,goes through. If both games were goalless , then 30 mins extra time , then pens if necessary

I think this would keep ties "alive" more than the current away goals rule...eg when we played Real Sociedad a few years ago we lost the first leg 2-0 , but were leading 2-1 in the second leg. At that point , just one more goal for us under my ingenious last goal rule, would have seen us going through , whereas we needed two more goals under the away goals rule.

What happened in that first game like? I remember Tansey giving away a blatant pen, but I don't remember much else (Stewart having an atrocious game rings a bell).

Off the top of my head , Andrew Dallas was the ref.

First off , Tansey's challenge was ungainly and ill-advised , to say the least. But it was just as much a foul on him by the hun (can't remember who) as it was a foul on the hun. A sort of messy tangle of feet and legs near the ball.

Just before half-time GMS was through on goal , goal-side of Tavernier (I think) who couldn't risk putting in a tackle as he'd have had to go through GMS. Instead though , and whether it was deliberate or not , by Tavernier , he clipped GMS foot just as GMS was shooting , although he managed to get a sclaffy shot off, so Dallas was able to bottle out of awarding a pen and sending Tavernier off for denying a clear goal-scoring chance.

Apart from those two specific game-changers the main problem with the ref that night was that he applied different standards to us for run of the mill challenges.  We weren't allowed to compete as our lot were booked for challenges that the huns either got off with altogether , or escaped without any booking.

I don't actually like criticising refs too much , because , having done it myself at a very low level, I can appreciate how difficult it is ....and must be even more so at the level of a Rangers-Aberdeen game !....but that cvnt was shocking that night

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-45390489

 

Now this is something that concerned me both at the league cup final and when I did a couple of first aid stints at tic champions league games.

If ever a stadium smacks of rennovation on the cheap it is celtic park and the situaiton they have on Janefield street is shocking.

The old 'Jungle' only held 5033 when they made it all seater yet the building standards folk of the mid 90s saw fit to allow the Janefield street access to remain the same for the current 27000 seater stand.

I mind being at a Scotland game there ,  against Latvia about 20 years ago, when we qualified for the World Cup finals. Me and the missus we in the North Stand that day and I can vividly rememer the crush on the ground floor in the area beneath the stand when the crowd was leaving at the end of the game. We were literally moved along by the surge of the crowd , and would have been unable to stop or change direction even if we wanted to. I can mind thinking that this must have been the norm due to the crowds the Tims got most games would have been about the same as the size of the crowd that day. I was surprised at not having heard of that sort of problem before.

From memory , I think there was a big iron fence/gate that was closed ,or had only a very small open bit which seemed to be the cause of the problem

We were back in the North Stand for the LC final in 2014 , with our 11 year old loon. We made sure that we hung back longer than most of the crowd before leaving our seats that day.

You blame the ref for Ibrox? I look closer to home.

 

You (and Bobby) have added three further fixtures which were embarrassingly incompetent. Yet I'm not allowed the opinion that I can't remember two worse back to back games?

 

It was the reasons for those particularly shocking performances that is where the real meat is to be found and the ref at Ibrox is a lame excuse, one which a truth-denier might engage. Pittodrie 4 days later was unbelievable, like they didn't want to win, just a fucking piss weak display.

The ref at Ibrox had a massive influence on the result.  I'm not saying he was the only reason we lost , because we started the game so poorly we'd have had an uphill battle even with a reasonably fair ref. We'll never know, but the dice were loaded against us from the off.

You are allowed an opinion. Same as the sort of knob-ends who bang on about not being able to say anything against Muslims still manage to freely spout their views about Muslims. But others are allowed to rubbish your opinion, or , as in this case, pick you up on comments that I dispute.

And for what it's worth , I wouldn't argue with you about the second game against the huns , which was a worse performance from us ,in my view

Yes you're right. They weren't as bad as I remembered. They had nothing to do with the manager and his will he/won't he situation. The fact he was considering it - for more than a couple of days - had nothing to do with the performance that wasn't as fucking horrific as you say. We deserved to get something out of those games, against such a shit football team that they couldn't even finish above us, despite helping themselves to a 12 point swing in two horrible days within half a week.

The two games against the huns weren't even the worst consecutive performances last season , let alone in AFC's history.  The 2-nil defeat at Tynecastle followed by the cup-semi capitulation to Motherwell were worse performances in my opinion

At least in that game at Ibrox we actually made plenty good chances and could point to a ridiculously biased ref going above and beyond the call of duty for the huns.

Remember the 2 x defeats v. Rangers when all the pundits reckoned he was offski? The poor little lambs were lost and produced the worst two consecutive performances in AFC history.

Bullshit.  Not even close.

The key point is that he shouldn't be in there. That he is is because of terrible recruitment by the manager who has been unable to get good midfield players.

Nae sure if your comment relates only to the current transfer window , or the whole time McInnes has been our manager.

If it's just this window , then it's surely too early to say that none of the midfielders we've recently signed are any good ,although Ferguson has made a very promising start.

If it's over the last few seasons then Kenny McLean is the obvious example of a very good midfielder signed by McInnes. And before that Robson and Flood were exactly the type of players that were identified by McInnes as what we needed at that time.

Why would you be against that ?

Seen on another forum that we are entitled to pay 50% of any contract Hamilton offered plus around £10k a year for each year he was at the club, I am assuming under a professional contract.

 

So unless he was on a huge deal with Hamilton, again I would say £100k seems fair.

Reidzer, I’m interested in A bit of land. The owner wants £500K for it but he can GTF. Fit do you think be a fair price ?

Do we shit it and play long ball and scrap, playing their game, or do we try to play to our strengths?

What are our strengths .

This begs the bigger issue that five years later and our manager has NEVER played a settled CB pairing and doesn't understand the value of stability in this key function.

Well he has actually. First full season under McInnes he played Anderson and Reynolds in central defence most of the time  , and , generally , only changed that when Anderson was injured or needed a rest

After that Ash Taylor and Reynolds was the usual pairing (or certainly Deek's preferred pairing) when both were fit , as Anderson featured only occasionally

The sheer noise a few minutes after Hewitt’s winner against Bayern.

Obviously it was bedlam in the immediate aftermath......”Pittodrie goes berserk” as Jock Brown put it

But my abiding memory is the racket that built up over the next few minutes. Initially different sections were singing different songs , but gradually onee song built up louder and louder with the different sections joining in until the whole stadium was belting out “Here we go !” Here we go !”. Even the likes o my old man .

I’ve never heard anything like that before or since. The atmosphere literally , and I mean literally , crackled . Like a thunderclap or a sonic boom

The hairs on the back of my neck are standing up even now as I think about it

I think Clarke would do a better job than McInnes has done at AFC.

 

He is the ONLY manager working in Scotland just now I would be happy to see at us.

Really ?  Admit it , min . He wasn’t even on your radar , if you’d even heard of him , until about a week ago.

My thoughts too. I think he would DEFINITELY go if offered and I’m surprised they’ve not knocked yet. This is a good thing. It means they truly are in another financial mess. I would prefer to see a better manager than DM at AFC but if I was giving RFC advice, I would give the job to Murty.

Why not Steve Clarke ?.....the best manager in Scotland according to you a few days ago

It's a good point. I don't think we've deserved to lose any of our games other than Hearts one too. However, there is none where we've comfortably deserved the points.

 

I suspect what people are really saying is that we've been unconvincing against mostly bottom 6 opponents and, against what appears to be a decent Motherwell team, our performances would not warrant a victory. Do you think that's fair?

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Ah , fuck it !

Due a good performance but you could argue we're due a loss. We've been very lucky to be undefeated domestically this season.

Very lucky ? Really?  The only team that have outplayed us or dominated for most of the match was Hearts.  And we were extremely unlucky not to be a goal up and and playing against ten men from the first minute

I've not read anything in depth about the ongoing saga as it doesn't affect my life and I'm not interested. There are many subjects that don't affect me directly that I am interested in. This - Rangers - isn't one of them.

 

What I don't get is the HMRC case/appeal whatever. Who are they suing? If Oldco no longer exists, are they challenging the very existence of Newco? There's no doubt that assets like the real estate on which Ibrox sits were taken over by the Newco. Is the corporate dissolution of one company and the creation of another being challenged? If so, now I could get interested.

 

I don't give a fuck about Nimmo, Regan, Doncaster et al. I want to know what the basis of the legal contest is.

I think I saw a few years ago that HMRC were pretty much using this as a test case , hoping that if they won it would set a precedent that they could then use for going after other organisations that had used EBT's.  I'm pretty sure there were comments that a good few English football clubs would be anxiously hoping that the Huns won

A nice wee short term jolly for him and his family before going to the Huns

 

 

One thing I would add is that this is the first time since the 7-2 Motherwell game that we are facing a side with a competent striker. 

Can't agree with that min.

Since the 7-2 we've come up against Boyd of Killie , Boyce of Ross County , Scott McDonald and Doolan.  All competent strikers in my book

You know so much that you describe posters as being lazy and cliched and yet you don't offer an alternative? That is the act of a total penis, a cunt who not only thinks he knows best, he actually says it with his actions. Arse.

See ya later, arse

Got to go to work at the AFC stooge police HQ

Who the fuck do you think you are?

 

PP showed more fight yesterday that I remember him ever showing. He was brave. He was committed and he was surprisingly resilient. If someone wants to offer his opinion as to why this might be, you don't slag him off without offering an explanation for your insult, an alternative point of view.

 

Or perhaps you know so little about fitba and/or AFC you couldn't see the massive difference between PP yesterday and almost every other time he plays.

 

Arse.

Well at least you've found an appropriate way to sign off the end of your posts.

Lucky enough to have been supporting the Dons since the Ally Macleod era. And unlike you , I haven't deserted them during the bad times

Read my post again , arse

Who are you? The AFC club stooge police?

 

Everyone else knew I was joking about that aspect but alluding to a piece of history. We've not been underreporting for years. It was a small window in our history. But of course you know better than everyone else because there were a few more empty seats around you and your periphery and scope of vision and thinking is very small.

Aye , sure, you were only joking .

I'm nae claiming too know better than everyone else about this. Only the AFC officials responsible for reporting the crowd figures can claim that

But I know enough to call out your bullshitting

I have also rarely been at Pittodrie and thought the crowd was underreported. That QF was the first time I went no fucking way when it was reported less than 11k. It doesn't matter which part of the ground I'm in, I can normally guess it to within a thousand. After attending approximately three quarters of a thousand AFC games, the majority being at Pittodrie, you get pretty good at crowd predicting. We've sometimes put bets on who would be the closest and used coins for odds and evens to see who got the last guess.

 

That game was the first and a handful of others following that were definitely underreported too. That's what some of us were convinced of and of course one speculates on why. The club were eight figures in debt at the time.

Make your mind up , min

You've rarely thought the crowd was under-reported but yet said previously that the crowd WILL be under-reported because it's what Milne does

I'll trust the club on this rather than you and your mates' guesstimates

And do you actually think that Milne personally prepares the attendance figures that are reported ?

Think Pawlett played well yesterday. I'm not sure where the form has come from as it has been missing for the past two years, probably down to wanting to earn a new deal.

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Another lazy cliche that players somehow amble along for a year or two and then are able to pick and choose the games that they'll make more of an effort to be decent in

Pawlett's been ineffective in the last two year or two but that it isn't down to a poor attitude or lack of effort

Whatever the crowd will be, it will be hugely underreported. It's the SC so a split of the gate always goes to the opposition. It's what Milne does. At the QF v. Celtic a few years ago (they got a late equaliser, Mackie won the replay), they said 10,800 at Pittodrie. It was a Sunday 12.30 ko so it was never going to be full but there was a minimum 13k there that day and probably nearer 14k.

 

9,059.

Myth.

The electronic turnstiles have put paid to the option of giving false figures for gate receipts to the relevant interested parties .ie the tax authorities and , for Cup-ties , the opponents

The idea that Milne is personally over-seeing some sort of scam like this , where there's nothing to be gained personally by him, is ridiculous

As for the Celtic game you mentioned , where were you sitting that day RS ?  I find that From my usual seat in the SOuth Stand I can't say how full or empty it is , although I can tell how busy the other stands are. But I well remember that day that there seemed to me to be far more empty seats round about me that would normally be the case. It had been a talking point on the message boards before the game about how embarrassingly low the crowd was going to be

And that game came straight after a truly dire run of 8 games without a win , two draws (one against Bayern , incredibly !) , 6 defeats including a humiliating 4-1 semi loss to the Jutes , and two 5-1 defeats , one of which was at home to the Tims

given also that the cup game was at a Sunday lunchtime and live on tv , the official figures seem right enough to me.

AFC Heritage has the total crowd at 10,909 with the away support being 3,472