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I've always said that Kennedy was the best player we had in the late70s/early 80s. Yes ahead of Miller/Strachan Mcleish etc. He could play any position along the back 4 and had an absolute Rolls Royce of an engine.....was as quick in the 90th minute of a game as he was in the first. Tragedy his career was cut short so abruptly..IIRC it was in the ECWC second leg at Waterschei he picked up the injury. He goes in...

I can’t remember Kennedy ever playing any other position apart from right back

He had a few brain farts yesterday, but that one you mentioned had to be seen to be believed.  He earned a booking for that one.

Don’t think he got booked for that one where he dived in and missed both man and ball.  Was his booking not for the foul when he wrapped his arms around an opponent on the half way line to stop him getting away ? Which I thought was pretty needless as we had other defenders covering at that point.

For the most part , though , I thought Taylor and McKenna were OK

Or, as we've seen before and we'll see again, you'll not engage at all.

 

Perhaps your whole agenda is to discredit dissenters? Who's paying you?

 

Time's up pal. The new regime won't put up with shit like McInnes.

 

He'll be gone soon. And cunts like you won't be missed because your raison d'etre has already expired.

That’s some talent you’ve got. An ability to make wild assumptions about a poster on the basis of a few comments. And all of them wrong.

It's almost 2020. We've had SEVEN seasons of this cunt. And still there are spastics like you who think he's "good for AFC". And you will do anything to take the party line, to justify the gross mismanagement that's been going on.

 

I've already said that you're the majority and I'm the minority. Get over it. Time is the great revealer. You haven't ever posted enough to be noticed or listened to. If you're a genuine Aberdeen fan, try joining in and communicating.

Hell hath no fury like Rocket Scientists after he’s been shown up as a bullshitter

Ah, the apples I'm supposed to like. The words I wrote on the back of a good day. You conveniently ignored my posts before and after. You love McInnes. I detest him. Time will show whether you were wrong or whether I was right. In the meantime, try some love. It won't save you from your Huntly upbringing but it might introduce you to the lighter side.

Wouldn’t say I love McInnes. Just think he’s done a good job for us.

Doubt if you can be shown to be either right or wrong about him when you’ve flip-flopped between gushing praise and bitter criticism

That's good, that you can use the English language to communicate.

 

A bullshitter though? Are you saying that I was once a McInnes fan? Do you dispute my account? Or now that you've finally revealed your position (as a McInnes fan), is it this that prompts you to take a few words from the many tens of thousands that I've written to try to argue that I spik shite?

 

Not that I argue that I don't spik shite from time to time. Most of us do.

 

I thought his interview was "good" because it was the most revealing we had ever seen him, in more than 25 years of his sucking our blood dry. I didn't say he was good. I already said I hated the cunt.

 

You and I will never agree. That's ok, as I already said. But your disingenuous nature of trying to twist my words from more than half a decade ago to try and make yourself look smart and attempting to make me out as a hypocrite on one hand or trying to suggest I'm schizophrenic in my views on material matters pertaining to the club I've loved over six decades, that's not ok. So as I said before, go fuck yourself.

Disingenuous.  That’s probably as good a word as any to describe your post about McInnes. The one where you claimed you knew he was shit from day one.  Which was of course more than half a decade ago, so in order to demonstrate your  disingenuity it was necessary to remind you what you said back then.

No twisting of words on my part. Just direct quotes from your own posts.

A96. A horrible road because it leads to Huntly, a place that breeds kiddy fiddling whack jobs.

 

I've no idea who you are because you've never posted enough to get noticed. But you've obviously got a major problem with me, without ever having the balls to engage directly on the points I've been making in twenty years of posting on AFC forums.

 

If I insulted you over this period, I don't apologise for that. You would've posted shit worthy of condemnation. Yo, you've finally been noticed

 

But seriously, get a fucking life. Your attempts to selectively take a few words out of context to try and make a point that doesn't stand is as tragic to witness as it is to be inside your head. Your "since you asked nicely" was revealing. You're desperate for control and the higher ground. Just be honest. What are you made of? Show your true self. I'm already getting a sense of your sad agenda.

Do I have to pay for this amateur psycho-analysis ? .....or is it on the house ?

Nothing was taken out of context.  I’ve just reminded you of some things you actually said which give the lie to some of your recent comments. You know , where you tried to give the impression that you were one of the select few who knew from day one that McInnes (or “Deek” as you liked to call him in your more gushing moments)  would be shit from day one.

Here’s another link for you , as demanded....

See post 401

www.afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=35657&page=14

How d’ya like them apples , rocket man ?

What is your problem? You have been very selective in your choice of quotes. You are totally ignoring the rest of my posts. What's your point? Do you think McInnes is good for AFC? Are you as retarded as Milne and the cunts singing his name at Hampden?

My point ?…I already told you. To show you up as a bullshitter. What bit of that was so hard to grasp for an intellectual giant such as yourself ?

McInnes has on the whole been good for AFC, in my opinion. But the very expensive (for us) player recruitment on his watch in recent years which has been mostly nowhere near good enough is threatening to undo his previous good work.

I don’t know how retarded Milne is , but I disagree with you that his interview on Sportsound was good. Unless his aim was to rile most of the fanbase.  He just isn’t a genuine fan and doesn’t “get” it. No genuine Dons fan could possibly want either of the Old Scum to be successful in Europe , and get millions more pounds to widen the already huge financial gulf even more.

And even if McInnes comes from a Hun background and upbringing , why the fuck would Milne refer to him as a Rangers man while he’s still our manager ?  Maybe he is retarded , but more likely it just doesn’t enter into his mind that saying that Won’t go down well with most supporters.

I don't know what's going wrong in your life but I can assure you that's it's not my fault.

 

Please produce links.

Seeing as you’ve asked nicely........

Post no. 12 in this link

www.afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=36198

“Those were not my words”

Since you've spent an extraordinary amount of time on this, you are due a courtesy of a response. And I'm sure you'll agree that people do change their minds and they are permitted to do this. That's NOT what's happening here though.

 

I have never warmed to McInnes from day one. Exactly like I have never warmed to any AFC manager for a period approaching 30 years, the ones that Milne recruited being a particularly terrible bunch. We want to like and respect the management team. The last time I did was the Smiffy Jocky combo because in my opinion, that team played the best football I've ever seen at Pittodrie, including the early 80's under Fergie, Jim Bett being at his peak and pulling the strings. Unfortunately at 2.55 pm at Ibrox in May 91 when the teams got read out and the 3,200 of us who were there looked at each other with incredulity, disgust and disbelief, that's when the respect for Smiffy dissipated. He fucked up big time.

 

Can you imagine how hard it is going each week and spending money on a losing cause, something I have refused to do in 2019, exactly like I did for the calendar year 2007? Even an average or a poor manager is going to have a good day every so often and when you feel guilty for hating the cunt when everyone around you is loving him, of course you're going to give praise when it's due. I WANTED him to succeed and according to the majority of you at Hampden last year, he IS succeeding because you all chanted his name, unbelievably in my opinion after the final where we were fucking shite.

 

Stewart Milne gave a very good interview this week, broadcast on Radio Scotland yesterday at about 2.30 ish as I was driving down the road. I can't stand that cunt either but in between some common sense and some other good stuff he was saying about the future of Scottish fitba, he was fulsome in his praise for Derek McInnes. It's ok to disagree in this world. Unlike the majority of you, including our former chairman who threw the chequebook at him and including Lennon who said yesterday that "Aberdeen have a very good manager", I never saw McInnes succeeding at AFC. Time will tell if I was right and if you, the majority, were wrong to sing his name or if he does win a Scottish Cup or the SPFL, I will be delighted to say that I got it wrong about him.

 

But context and perspective eh? If you read all of my posts - and until you show me mine where I have allegedly gushed over him, I don't believe it - you will know that I have never been a fan. Surely it's ok to celebrate a good result though and much as I wanted to like McInnes, I never could.

 

You should get out more mate.

I’d imagine you spent labour as long doing that post than I did looking for some old posts on AFC Chat, but that’s by the bye.

Of course we can all change our mind about anything, but your ego wouldn’t allow you to make any such admission in relation to McInnes. And I quite enjoy seeing a self-aggrandising blowhard being shown up as a bullshitter.

Who was it? You're asking me now? You were telling me before?

 

Those were not my words.

Well, let’s see if I can jog your memory. It was the same poster who several weeks earlier after we’d won a Scottish Cup tie away to Celtic , gushed ......

“Aberdeen were fucking magnificent today. McInnes. YOU have made the whole difference. Boy’s fucking magic. McInnes is fucking magic. What an interview. What a guy”

A bit more than begrudged praise after grinding out a win , wouldn’t you agree ?

Much as I and the majority of my family loved Red Parkhead, I've never gushed over McInnes. I might have praised him over the grit, determination and work rate the team showed very occasionally over the years to grind out an unexpected win but you're misrepresenting the truth here. So go fuck yourself.

So who was it then that posted a few days after the League Cup praising McInnes in relation to the appointment of a sports  scientist , for his professionalism and describing him as being “of a huge growth mindset” ?

And in the same post  describing “Derek” as a “forward thinking, ambitious young manager” and referring to his “vision , knowledge and professionalism”.

And concluding that AFC now had “the right man in charge of the football department”

I guess day one must have started sometime after that

I don't know about the family issues but I saw an interview this morning with Theo Snelders which a mate of mine put up on Twitter. He was attending a club dinner - maybe for "Legends" - and he was standing with Willem van der Ark. What struck me was his fondness for our city. It was where he and his wife's children were born, he proudly said to Richard Gordon.

 

It reminded me that McInnes made a big mistake not relocating his family seven years ago. Not only must it be exhausting living apart from his wife and kids, both physically and mentally, by choosing to not induct himself into our region and way of life, he's created a division or at the very least a handicap to his own integration.

 

Of course we all know why he chose not to move his family here. He wasn't expecting to be here this long. He thought he was bigger and better than us. Time has since proved that he's not as good as he thought he was and some of us recognised him for what he is from day one, a loser midget charlatan. Because he was at least was semi-coherent in the media and won the diddy cup (in the worst final ever seen in Scotland, having beaten nobody to get there) our former chairman wanted him for the duration in order to have some stability on the "football side" and pursue his own interests.

You’re a fuckin charlatan. Or was that a different Rocket Scientist on AFC Chat that was positively gushing in his praise of McInnes in the aftermath of winning the League Cup in 2014 ?

Contract offer will be well deserved. Yes he is a utility player....but every squad needs 2 or 3 players capable of covering a few positions. Technically you could describe Shinnie as one.....though going on his performance yesterday it's doubtful he will play left back ever again such was his ineptitude.

 

Ball gets a hard time off a lot of our fans for his performance in last year's Cup semi. He was god awful but it was a team decimated by injury and suspensions. He wasn't the only player to have a 'mare that day. He has more than made up for it with his level of consistency this season.

Just because Shinnie had a nightmare for Scotland yesterday , doesn't mean he not still a very decent left-back for us , when required.

As for the comments about Ball in the semi last year ,  he wasn't god awful. He made one costly mistake which led to the first goal. Other than that he wasn't given a roasting by his immediate opponent.  The fact is that we gifted Motherwell all three goals , and they really did nothing special themselves apart from NOT gifting us anything. That was the difference betwen the teams on the day.  Ball didn't contribute anything in an attacking sense , but then neither did anyone else that day , including players that we were entitled to make a greater attacking contribution than Ball.

My memory of McLean was that he started off very promising but then got very lazy and was a waste of time for well over a year. Then, in his last season he started showing some good passing ability and coincidentally, this was when he was coming to the end of his contract. After Norwich got him on a pe-contract, he played his best football and therefore he was allowed to be lazy under McInnes and he cheated us fans for the majority of his games for us.

Speaking of opinions and arseholes ...

I cannot agree with you with McLean, I honestly thought he went backwards whilst with us, his last few months with us were his best, before that he was worse than a man short a lot of the times.

 

I think it was the constant backing from Donsdaft that kept him in the team. 

Opinions and arseholes spring to mind

I agree that Willie's OK as a pundit , when he's adding his thoughts to the main commentator.

But he's hopeless at open-all-mikes because he hardly ever enters into the spirit of it unless there's actually a goal scored. The others'll usually shout out "Chance !!" or something like that to let the listener know there's been some sort of incident at their game.  Willie doesn't. I know this because sometimes I listen to OAM while I'm at Pittodrie watching the game.

I dinna mind it.  As long as the reporters are getting the important information out to the listener straight away

I agree. It's the tone of their voices. It must be a recruitment thing, irritation being a by-product of the model they're looking for. It's quite remarkable how their male pundit panel are similarly offensive. Merson can barely speak English and Thompson's whiny nasal-ness are probably the biggest examples but being encouraged to shout out "GOAL" - in a patent attempt to make the product sound more exciting -  just makes Le Tissier and Charlie look as bad, the latter being a good pundit in my opinion. Unbelievably, Radio Scotland thought this was a good idea and have encouraged the same goal interruptions in Open All Mics, their "commentators" being unbelievably thick and almost disqualified for radio work by their sheer ineptitude with the English language. Michael Stewart is the best pundit out there by far in my book though.

Agreed that Michael Stewart is the best of the regular pundits on BBC Scotland , whether that's on radio or TV.

But he's rubbish at the Open-all-mikes.  I've heard him more than once taking ages to actually clarify wheher a goal's just been scored or which team has actually scored. He's not the only one who's guilty of that. 

Bizarrely , the other regular pundit that I quite like more than the others is Derek Ferguson , although undoubtedly he's not the most articulate, and he's also guilty someties of taking ages to clarify which team's scored. He'll tell you which player has scored, but that often means fuck all to me, if , for instance it's a game between Hamilton and Livingston.  The reason I like him though is that he is genunely enthusiastic about the less glamourous games that he's usually assigned to cover. He also went up in my opinion a few years back when he was of the only pundits who seemed genuinely outraged at the Huns getting to play a semi-final against the Jutes at Ibrox

The worst of the usual Open-all-mikes crew - Willie Miller

Madden had as good a view as anyone could reasonably expect.  But even if he didn't , the main stand linesman had an excellent position , as he was pretty much bang in line with the edge of the box , and should have been letting the ref know what he saw.    Each of them individually should have been able to make the right call.  But collectively between the two of them there's no reasonable excuse for them failng to do so.

I don't like labelling refs/officials as cheats , but it's hard to come to any other conclusion here

Live on telly for sure so probably not a sell out but I cannot see Plod Scotland agreeing to such a plan. A double line of stewards or rozzers ain't going to stop a riled up set of fans going for the opposition fans when the inevitable missiles start flying. There would be a riot....

The Glasgow rozzers clearly think that form of segregation’s enough for a game between the uglies at Parkhead, so I can’t see the Aberdeen rozzers taking a different view.

Anyway , let’s hope Killie stuff them and we never find out !

Not entitled to get....they are are entitled to request that amount but will be subject to the geography of the ground ( segregation capability) and to police agreement. They will get the usual away section therefore not a hope in hell of them getting anywhere near 20%....

If the new Huns ask for 20% of the tickets , they'll be given the middle bit of the South Stand that the old Huns used to get, as well as the current away section.  The segregation'll just take the form of a swathe of seats being left empty or covered by tarpaulin or something like that with stewards and cops between the two sets of fans.  The same way as visitors' fans are kept apart from the unwashed at Parkhead and Ibrox. Same as Tynecastle and Easter Road as well.

Can't see the coppers having much objection as the Huns'll be able to get access to the middle sections of the SS via the Golf Road entrance which is kept for the sole use of the away fans.

And let's face it , we'll struggle to sell  16,000 tickets, let alone 18K

I don't remember there ever being a feeling of being "dicked about" over kick off times, venues and tickets in the 70's, 80's or 90's. It didn't exist. There were never these issues. Can't say I recall anything like this in the 00's either. I know it's not been too relevant this decade - unfortunately as we can count the trips to Hampden on one hand - but I'm still not any the wiser as to what the complaint is. I didn't even know there were shite view seats at Hampden, unlike where we get put at Parkhead.

 

The siege mentality referred to was SAF using the west coast media and the west coast centrism in Scottish Football as a motivator for an outsider to break down the door. It was nothing to do with victimhood and injustice about seats and kick off times etc.

 

Some fans may be invoking weak reasons for not attending, perhaps through a sense of guilt that they don't want to go. Others, like me, are quite comfortable in not wanting to go and even if I was working in Glasgow that weekend, still wouldn't bother my arse. Different folks, different strokes and different priorities at different stages of life. I'm looking more forward to watching Celtic Hibs on the telly in a pub with a couple of green mates this weekend than I am the semi final next weekend.

For the most part I'd agree with that bit , but I can remember one major episode that , to me , was far worse than any of the recent events

In the 1982 Scottish Cup we were drawn against St Mirren in the semis, and very shortly after the draw Muirton Park , Perth was announced as the venue.  Perfectly logical seeing as Perth is pretty much half-way between Paisley and Aberdeen. If anything it was probably easier and quicker to get to Perth from Paisley than Aberdeen

Lo and behold St Mirren complain about the venue , bleating that it was unfair on their fans having to travel so far for what was a rare event for them , being in the semis.

So the SFA changed the venue to Parkhead. 10 miles fae Paisley , about 150 miles fae Aberdeen.

I've never felt it's just an Old Firm bias we've been up against....it's always been the central belt establishment.

As has been established, this sort of pish has been going on for decades. Folk can either chuck it, or they can use the injustice and anger in a positive way and get a siege mentality going. Heard that the latter option has worked quite well for us in the past 

I think there has been a bit of a siege mentality developed within the club over the last couple of years or so.

Unfortunately , it's been developed by McInnes and his players against some....(and I stress , some) of the fans.

I've had the feeling a few times that he's become fairly hacked off with the negativity from some fans.

Seems to me that there's now very much a "them-and-us" attitude between the disgrunteld fans and the club....mostly fostered by the disgruntled fans, in my opinion. And this has spread into the rapport between the team and the fans.

Well put as ever Bobby. I hope McInnes has the intelligence to try and use that day to motivate.

If our players need to be motivated by the manager for this game against the Huns , we're fucked before the kick-off.

And McInnes is intelligent enough to know not to waste any time on a game that took place 18 years ago , that just about none of our squad will give a fuck about , to motivate them.  I hope he uses his time trying to organise the team to compete with and outplay the Huns.