DT Politics Thread

[mondo_notion]

40 minutes ago, swaddon said:

It's over 100 billion for the whole thing.

Which will probably double before a train even hits the tracks.

Aye right enough that's my typo.... £1 billion per mile.

[Jupiter]

1 hour ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

Some nice light afternoon reading on here today.

And all of it bollocks

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, mondo_notion said:

Here's some lighter reading for you....

HS2 has been delayed, will have trains run at a reduced speed and will cost more than NASA's Artemis moon mission.

I did read somewhere that it equates to about £100 billion per mile but shirley that can't be right?

Could build a lot of ferries for that kind of money.

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

11 minutes ago, Jupiter said:

And all of it bollocks

Not at all, both posters make some very valid points.

I agree with Rico more, but prefer Masons optimism.

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, Jupiter said:

And all of it bollocks

It wasn't written for your type. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

The UK has loosened sanctions on Russian oil, due to supplies running out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy42x3g7r89o

[Mason89]

Being a pathetic spineless waste of space is what puts the Great into Great Britain. Looking like insignificant desperados on the world stage was worth it because of all those German neurosurgeons that were taking are jobs. Take that Herman. Bosh! 

[Mason89]

Tremendous stuff 

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, Mason89 said:

Tremendous stuff 

A tory Peer has came out raging against it. "the stuff on nonsense!".

The fact the UK Government have just postponed the upcoming rise in fuel duty, makes me think they are beginning to get squeaky bums over the ongoing Iran situation and the impact on the supply chain. 

Get the baked beans stockpiled folks.

[RicoS321]

6 hours ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

The UK has loosened sanctions on Russian oil, due to supplies running out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy42x3g7r89o

 

13 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

A tory Peer has came out raging against it. "the stuff on nonsense!".

The fact the UK Government have just postponed the upcoming rise in fuel duty, makes me think they are beginning to get squeaky bums over the ongoing Iran situation and the impact on the supply chain. 

Get the baked beans stockpiled folks.

Well, aye. This is the point I've been making....

Our entire system is based on diesel. Even the "renewables". Wait until they find out what the fertiliser is made out of.

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

 

Well, aye. This is the point I've been making....

Our entire system is based on diesel. Even the "renewables". Wait until they find out what the fertiliser is made out of.

I know it is.

No argument from me.

I believe in a move away from oil and I work in the industry, but common sense needs applied as to how to transition from it.

Takes decades and lots of investment and no country is geared up for it, bar possibly China.

Could be some difficult times ahead.

 

[RicoS321]

58 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

I know it is.

No argument from me.

I believe in a move away from oil and I work in the industry, but common sense needs applied as to how to transition from it.

Takes decades and lots of investment and no country is geared up for it, bar possibly China.

Could be some difficult times ahead.

 

China creates its renewables by burning coal. It's geared up for, at best, one iteration of renewables. That's ignoring all the other materials required to produce them, because, lo and behold, they aren't themselves renewable. The answer isn't moving away from oil, it's moving away from high energy use. Edit: which will happen whether we like it or not.

Edited 1 hour ago by RicoS321

[Mason89]

China is the worlds biggest burner of coal but also the biggest user of renewables. Coal is there to mainly to provide stability to the grid & it's fairly cheap. 

Have a look at the open infrastructure map. It shows the direction they're heading although i suspect it might give you the heebie jeebies

--> Open Infrastructure Map

* It also shows England's power theft. Those Eastern Green Links don't have meters on them...

Edited 1 hour ago by Mason89

[TheDonbytheDee]

9 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

China creates its renewables by burning coal. It's geared up for, at best, one iteration of renewables. That's ignoring all the other materials required to produce them, because, lo and behold, they aren't themselves renewable. The answer isn't moving away from oil, it's moving away from high energy use. Edit: which will happen whether we like it or not.

We need to stop wasting all natural resources, but oil is currently the big one, as we consume so much of it, across so much areas.

Not going to go down well when shortages start to impact the supply chain and everyday items are impacted.

The worsst thing about the current supply issue, was that it was all planned.

The real shitstorm is yet to come.

My faith in China, is that they invest heavily in sciences, and not for shareholder return.

Might well be misplaced and could cause more problems if it comes to pass, but that's where I am on it.