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Jagerdeen lives above you! 

Or the Fritzl's live near...

I don't think it is too far. More and more people are getting pissed off with this element in the support. The other teams' fans must love it cos our fans do their job for them!

 

Fault is being found by some with everything that the team do. I wonder is there another club in the world where the fans so obviously hate their own players and want them to fuck off out the club. It's crazy.

 

The management and players need to look at themselves and do some soul searching after the defeat... some fans should look at their method of 'support' too... but they won't, because our fans seem to think we're the only thing that is above criticism at our club.

In the absence of having your own opinions you appear to sit at your computer - probably with a box of mansize kleenex - trying to pick holes in others.

 

Summed up in three symbols - = 

Needless.  I'm hurt. 

I don't agree with booing the players, but that's beside the point I suppose. Booing at half time is crap, and it must get to them, but they weren't being booed in the first half...so what's their excuse then?

You would also hope that at least some of them would have the attitude "I'll show them" or that maybe some of them would realise "I'm getting booed cos i'm not doing enough" etc.

Whilst they weren't being booed as such, the moans and groans of the crowd were apparent.  Support and encourage, pretty simple really.

We had 210 minutes of football against a side who are inferior in quality and we are now out the cup. We're not out the cup because some folk chose to boo. Look at the support we had at East End Park, and they still didn't do the business there either. So who will get the blame for that?

I'm not suggesting we're out of the cup because of the crowd, it just doesn't help.  As for who's to blame, everyone played their part.  It's not one particular persons fault.

Sorry, that doesn't wash. If that's true we must have the biggest collection of "sensitive wee souls" ever.

Do you not agree it really must grind the players down when the fans don't support them and only get on their backs.  I don't care how hardened you are, if you're constantly put-down by your own support it will have an effect.  F*ck, in any line of work if you've got people on your back you won't perform.

I mean when Duff came on there was total silence from the crowd.  As a player, how must that make him feel?  Is it too much to ask that we could applaud our players onto the pitch?

There just seems to be no patience to be honest.

I'm not saying the players are blameless but the support has to take responsibility sometimes as well.  We're happy to take the plaudits when we sell-out games and get great results against so-called better teams by backing the team from the word go.  Recent games against Copenhagen, Lokomotiv Moscow, Bayern Munich, Dnipro, Rangers and Celtic spring to mind.

When the opposite happens we should realise we do play a part.

Don't agree with the booing of the players at 0-0 when we looked fairly comfortable. Only booed the team after the end of the game, because in my opinion they deserved it.

This I agree with.

At least WM isn't directly blaming the fans for the depression around Pittodrie.

 

I agree the place can be a a bit less than uplifting, but the old argument still stands " who's job is it to create the excitement? The players or the fans?

A bit of both to be honest, sections of fans seem to go to games thinking we've a divine right to win everything and offer absolutely no support to the team whatsoever.  Getting on their backs will no doubt have an effect.

The fans are as guilty of Jekyll & Hyde performances when we're the favourites as much as the players are.  As a club on the whole, we really struggle to perform when we're favourites.  Give us the underdog tag however, and we're flying...

If you were to look at our great home performances over the last 2-3 years, they've came when we didn't really expect anything, when the crowd has been right behind the team from before kick-off right through to the end of the game. 

It's a sad fact that the loudest chant on Wed night came at the start of extra-time and lasted all of 30 seconds. 

So it's the fans fault now, is it?

Partly, booing them off at half-time was pretty pointless and the berating of anything that went wrong was just ludicrous.

Only by Lenny at school, ? ? ? might have been trained by Lenny as well, not too sure.

Only towards the end of my time at school as he became headmaster about a year or two before I left, I do remember him banging on about it though. 

When I played for King Street in primary school, the triangular passing was one of the things we were taught about and it's one of my earliest memories of being coached in football.

Never understood why our fans want us to get the ball up the park instantly, part fo the reason the manager/players far too often play the long ball.

Hence why I said in another thread that the fans are partly to blame.  

There was one point on Wed night when this muppet sitting in front of me decided to stand and berate Lee Mair for "notgerrinitupthafookinparkquickenoughyeuselessarticlefucksake..."

At the point he shouted this, Mair had only just slid in to make a very good tackle on the Dunfermline number 7 on the edge of our box and was only just getting to his feet with the ball, which he eventually played to Mulgrew on the left.

Is McAllister nae playing at centre back these days, for Brizzle?

 

Still a joke of a selection though.

Better than Diamond though he is.

It's the 'Football is all about winning things' attitude that causes thousands of North East school children to follow the fortunes of the Old Firm, Man Utd or Chelsea instead of their local club.

About 35 minutes into the match on Wednesday night, this wee voice pipes up, "Dad, can we go home now?  All these players are rubbish.  They can't even pass the ball to each other."

I swear, this kid was about 7-8 years old.

His dad's response was, "Sit down and shut up, there's a long way to go yet..."

After the pens the kid said, "Told you so dad..."

it appears that there are certain players that JC just doesn't trust enough, and most of them seem to be the youngsters. Could also add in Tommy Wright to that and Touzani and JDV before they left. 

I don't think it's that he doesn't trust players, but more to do with another of Jimmy's faults, over-analysing opponents. 

He seems to often pick players for certain games as he feels that player would do better in a particular role (think Touzani in Europe last year, Aluko playing more home games than away), or to cancel what he perceives a threat from our opponents (matching up an opponents formation, usually 4-5-1).

Now I know every manager does this, pick certain players to suit specific games, but I think Jimmy does this way too much.

It pains me to say this, seeing as it's from , but I agree with every point above 

Don't fight what comes naturally... 

Sadly mcAllister is a better left back than Mulgrew and clubfoot as pish as he is still better than Foster so I do not see your point.

Cannot agree with you there.

As for my original point, if you can't see it I'm not going to try and explain it to you...

Try making sense in your postings and don't contradict yourself then.

As long as the likes of George Burley are picking players of the standard of Jamie McAllister and Kirk Broadfoot, I really don't think the Scotland squads are a marker for where our various teams are at.

It was obvious it wasn't working long before the 60 minute mark. 

I totally agree as I pointed out in another post (another thread I think), it was apparent after 10 mins or so how the game was panning out.  However, most managers usually get them in at half-time, try and sort things out and wait 10-20 mins to see if he's made a difference before making changes.  

This is what Calderwood did around the 60-70 mark (I think Mair was forced through injury apparently  ), however he took the wrong option putting Considine on when he could've moved Severin back instead, leaving himself with the option of changing things higher up the pitch which is where the problem was.  Going 4-5-1 killed us as it made the long-ball problem worse (only having Mackie to aim at).  

Meant to add:

The fault of Calderwood last night was that he didn't address the obvious problems within our performance, and the substitutions that were made (although 1 or 2 were possibly forced) weren't enough to make a difference.  

With the way the game was going, Wright should have came on earlier in the game (around 60-70 mins) and Severin should have dropped back into defence when Mair came off (allowing Duff or Young to play in midfield, probably on the right, with Aluko behind the front two of Mackie and Wright, Kerr sitting in the middle of the park and Smith on the left).

It's all hypothetical now, and hindsight's a great thing, but I really think this is what he should have done.

Lee Miller is far better on the deck than in the air.

 

I saw us play the long ball to Lovell, Mackie and Stewart plenty of times.

 

I don't see why everyone seems to think we play good football? We don't, and it hasn't bothered me before because we always seem to scrape through in the end. But this one is unforgiveable.

I didn't say that.  However since you've brought it up, we can play some bloody good football at times.

As for Lee Miller, he gives us the option of playing the ball on the deck and in the air.  I totally agree he's better on the deck, but you need the other option sometimes.  Berbatov at Man United's the same.  He's about a hundred times better with the ball at his feet but you shouldn't discount what he can offer with his height.

So that covers last night? What about most games I've seen in the last two years where the tactics always seem to involve the long ball?

Lee Miller usually plays up-front, so you play to your strengths.  Like it or not, when you've got a big player like that up-front, you're going to play the long ball.

Every football team does this from the bottom up...

Do you honestly believe that Calderwood sent that team out to play the long ball to Maguire and Mackie?  If anything, it would appear to me that he hoped the pace of Aluko/Smith/Maguire/Mackie would be enough to get round the back of Dunfermline's defence.

So as you asked me, how do you know this?

I was sitting not far from Calderwood (in the Main Stand) and at no point did he instruct his players to start lumping it up the park.

You could see in the early stages of the game they were trying to play the ball around, which Dunfermline weren't getting close to, but there was no sense of urgency or speed applied to their game and the movement from the forward players - bar Aluko - was non-existent.  This was the point when the players started searching for the strikers with long balls.

I honestly believe that Calderwood kept Wright on the bench to stop us from automatically playing the long ball as he, like most, would've expected us to beat Dunfermline by playing football.  For whatever reason, the players just didn't turn up.

Aye, ye cannae just blame the players and their choices

I've already covered this, the players as well as Jimmy are at fault...

The negative attitude of some in the crowd doesn't help either might I add.

So why even have a manager then? 

Is this a serious question?

As I said in my OP, the point is we don't have a prolific striker and we seriously need one.

 

And as you say 'Amateur' football - this professional football. You miss, then you miss. That's life - but it isn't that difficult, you kick the ball as hard as you can at one of the corners. Or you let Ricky bloody Foster take one so you don't feel so bad the next day and can reassure yourself because you didn't miss. Grow some fucking bollocks.

Holy sh*t, are you 10 years old?  Just because you're a striker doesn't mean you're automatically going to be good at set-pieces. 

Some can't deal with pressure.  Some thrive on it. 

Some can't take set-pieces.  Some are experts when it comes to deadball situations. 

Some aren't confident when it comes to outsmarting a goalkeeper.  Some relish the opportunity. 

Some can't build the confidence on certain occasions.  Some gain confidence from these opportunities. 

Some do things on instinct and hate having time to think.  Some make a decision and stick with it knowing what the end result will be.

I really fail to see what it is you can't grasp from that.  Unless of course you're just ranting because you're still wound up. 

Well he didn't seem bothered by the long ball we continually punted up the field. Hasn't seemed to bother him for the last two years either.

It was the players choice.

Obviously last night, tactics were just wrong

Can anyone honestly say they seen the team on paper before the game and thought, "we're going to lose this?"

Does anyone honestly think that Jimmy sent the team out to play the long-ball?  From where I was sitting it seemed that the team took this upon themselves when they started panicking about the score.

Does anyone really think that Jimmy can't motivate his players?  I really don't think Jimmy needed to motivate the players yesterday.  Wat more motivation do you need other than a potential semi-final with Falkirk should they have won last night?

I'm not suggesting Jimmy's blameless as anyone could see that he should have taken on Wright long before he did, but I think he's taking a lot of stick when the players need to take a lot of the blame as well.