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Arizona was called Blue several hours ago by Fox News of all places.

Its such a horrific but strangely curious process to watch.

Trump still bookies favourite (just) but Biden has gone ahead in Wisconsin and if he takes that state I think needs 2 from Nevada, Michigan, Georgia & Pennsylvania?  They seem to be waiting on counts from big cities like Atlanta and Detroit which are seemingly Democratic.

It will likely go to court though.  But what a deeply divided country.

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Beginning to look like it could be close in the election. The democrats need to take a hard look at themselves if Trump is re-elected - Biden is a dinosaur, I’m sure they could’ve done a lot better. 

LA I live in the US No! He has not (unless locking them up is "more")? He isn't Again, no! Good God man, you're an idiot! BTW I'm not a looney leftie even in the UK, I

You think Biden is a better option?? I am not one to call names, but if you do, I think you’re pointing the idiot finger in the wrong direction. You don’t think we’ve adopted the victim mentality

Wisconsin democrat. Biden's a shoe in now. Would think Michigan and Nevada will be democrat too. If he can get Pennsylvania and one other too then Trump will make less of a fuss I reckon. I think the Republicans will begin to start ditching him if any three further states go in the next while. They're like the Tories when it comes to moving from pander to ruthless disloyalty, it's impressive.

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2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Wisconsin democrat. Biden's a shoe in now. Would think Michigan and Nevada will be democrat too. If he can get Pennsylvania and one other too then Trump will make less of a fuss I reckon. I think the Republicans will begin to start ditching him if any three further states go in the next while. They're like the Tories when it comes to moving from pander to ruthless disloyalty, it's impressive.

Yeah, it's over, I fully expect Biden to take Nevada, Michigan, and Wisconsin. I also wouldn't be surprised if he ended up winning one or more of Georgia, North Carolina, or Pennsylvania too. The bigger the winning margin the better for a smoother transition, the closer it is the more drama and legal shit to follow.

What this election has shown is the complete farce that is American media, as I've said here before. With the exception of Fox they pretty much all called a significant Biden win and have been for months. Same happened 4 years ago too if I recall. I'm sure the Trump side will argue that the one sided media and publicity also cost them the election.

It also tells you how divided the country is that a complete lunatic nearly wins. Again. The left scares so many. If this country was a child's toy we'd have thrown it away long ago. Don't see how things get close to being fixed. The republicans have 4 years to find a 'normal' candidate, although an 81 year old Biden surely will not run again in 4 years so they are maybe in the same boat. Maybe that's the fresh start needed?

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1 hour ago, LA-Don said:

Yeah, it's over, I fully expect Biden to take Nevada, Michigan, and Wisconsin. I also wouldn't be surprised if he ended up winning one or more of Georgia, North Carolina, or Pennsylvania too. The bigger the winning margin the better for a smoother transition, the closer it is the more drama and legal shit to follow.

What this election has shown is the complete farce that is American media, as I've said here before. With the exception of Fox they pretty much all called a significant Biden win and have been for months. Same happened 4 years ago too if I recall. I'm sure the Trump side will argue that the one sided media and publicity also cost them the election.

It also tells you how divided the country is that a complete lunatic nearly wins. Again. The left scares so many. If this country was a child's toy we'd have thrown it away long ago. Don't see how things get close to being fixed. The republicans have 4 years to find a 'normal' candidate, although an 81 year old Biden surely will not run again in 4 years so they are maybe in the same boat. Maybe that's the fresh start needed?

There's nothing left about Biden. He's a centre right politician with centre right policies.

Fox news isn't a news channel. It's a conduit for the beliefs of Rupert. It contains zero fact. Full of bought and paid shysters and charlatans. I would hope that every single source of news had opposing views to fox, unless by coincidence.

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6 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

There's nothing left about Biden. He's a centre right politician with centre right policies.

Fox news isn't a news channel. It's a conduit for the beliefs of Rupert. It contains zero fact. Full of bought and paid shysters and charlatans. I would hope that every single source of news had opposing views to fox, unless by coincidence.

Do you watch American news channels? The country is pretty much split 50/50, do you see the media giving a fair assessment and representing both sides? Not that I’m defending fox but they were the only channel that said trump had a chance. CNN used to be my channel but I gave up as they became as much if not more one sided than fox.

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I’ll take it a step further, I don’t agree with your fox assessment. I bounce around the channels to try to get balance and perspective, and have done so for the last couple of days in particular to get election perspective. Fox gives some shit and some honesty, just like the majority of the networks, just with a republican perspective. It’s not zero fact like you say. Fox has their idiots like all the other channels, I’d compare Tucker Carlson to the pathetic Don Lemon in a heartbeat for example, both extreme to their side.

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On 05/11/2020 at 03:37, LA-Don said:

I’ll take it a step further, I don’t agree with your fox assessment. I bounce around the channels to try to get balance and perspective, and have done so for the last couple of days in particular to get election perspective. Fox gives some shit and some honesty, just like the majority of the networks, just with a republican perspective. It’s not zero fact like you say. Fox has their idiots like all the other channels, I’d compare Tucker Carlson to the pathetic Don Lemon in a heartbeat for example, both extreme to their side.

Their election coverage has always been fairly decent, this time no different. It's their general news coverage in the four years that aren't election time that is the issue. Climate change denying paid for con artists. Murdoch's given the message now though, Trump no longer has his support, watch on as all his titles stab him in the back and pretend they never supported him in the first place. Biden isn't a threat to them anyway, a centre right conservative in the mould of Osbourne or May in this country.

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Wouldn't expect anything less from the baby president.  What does make me laugh though, is Biden saying that the US political system is the envy of the world. What world is this? It's fucking awful.

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16 minutes ago, manc_don said:

Wouldn't expect anything less from the baby president.  What does make me laugh though, is Biden saying that the US political system is the envy of the world. What world is this? It's fucking awful.

Are you sure he’s not boasting corruption at its finest?

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I have to say I think the whole debacle of this election was worth it for the big press conference by Rudy Guiliani at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping company, instead of the Four Seasons Hotel, in between a porn book store & a crematorium. The creators of Veep couldn’t have made something funnier. Whoever took the booking is a legend. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/the-other-four-seasons-trump-team-holds-press-conference-at-suburban-garden-centre

 

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3 hours ago, Kowalski said:

I have to say I think the whole debacle of this election was worth it for the big press conference by Rudy Guiliani at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping company, instead of the Four Seasons Hotel, in between a porn book store & a crematorium. The creators of Veep couldn’t have made something funnier. Whoever took the booking is a legend. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/the-other-four-seasons-trump-team-holds-press-conference-at-suburban-garden-centre

 

Very apt ending for that regime, in the gutter where they all came from. The baby president is absolutely losing it.

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3 hours ago, Elgindon said:

Anyone else see this   

 

It's impressive gaslighting from the charlatan like. The republican party concerned about election fraud? Fantastic. I'm only 20 minutes in, but none of what he has described so far is electoral fraud. He has great showmanship, the sort that would convince a public jury, but that's not how these things work with electoral fraud. He knows it to, so he must have some other angle. Perhaps it's just sowing doubt in the public to try and get some leverage before January comes and goes and Trump is in the courts. Who knows. The man's an utter sleaze like.

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55 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

It's impressive gaslighting from the charlatan like. The republican party concerned about election fraud? Fantastic. I'm only 20 minutes in, but none of what he has described so far is electoral fraud. He has great showmanship, the sort that would convince a public jury, but that's not how these things work with electoral fraud. He knows it to, so he must have some other angle. Perhaps it's just sowing doubt in the public to try and get some leverage before January comes and goes and Trump is in the courts. Who knows. The man's an utter sleaze like.

Never trust a man who's leaking. I mean, he has many other reasons not to be trusted, but that was disgusting. 

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