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Title: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 04, 2019, 06:38:23 PM
Can't quite believe we're almost at the end of the Season, have to say, It has flew in, I know there is still a good few weeks left, but the Manager will be thinking about next season for sure.

The likelihood is that GMS & Shinnie will be off, they'd surely have agreed an extension by now if they weren't? McKenna may have more interest and may leave, Stewart will go, Lowe will go, Gleeson ( Still not had a fair crack of the whip in my opinion ) will more than likely go also, Forrester already off the books, Hoban sadly injured, Reynolds off to Dundee United ( All the best ) James Wilson (  ??? )  we will be rather light yet again.

We're a good amount of players down. What are the key positions that we need to address? Will we finally expand our scouting network?

This is arguably the most difficult task, in terms of recruitment, that McInnes will face.



Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 04, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
Definitely a huge rebuilding job to be done. McKenna likely to be gone but we will be furnished with  big fat cheque for £6 million.....maybe a bit more if we can get 2 or more clubs into a bidding war......although the vast majority of it will go on the new stadium. McInnes will get a million of it to spend on 2 or 3 players.

I don't think Gleeson will be offski as you predict. He's bound to be one of our top 5 paid players so on £4k plus/week. Don't see many EFL clubs wanting to take him on that kind of wage when he has featured so little for us and when his ability to play a full 90 minutes effective is seriously in question.

If Derby go up (doubtful but possible) they will access funds that will probably enable Lampard to sign a whole new first 11. On that basis Lowe might just become available for a permanent transfer, especially as they have 4 further left backs on their books who were all considered ahead of him ( 2 are out with long term injuries but should be back by the start of the new season). By all accounts he loves it up here and we should definitely at least ask the question.

We will need a first choice left sided CH. I'd go for Jason Kerr at ST J though he won't be cheap having just signed a new contract there. We know that we have certainly offered his team mate Shaughnessy a contract. You would have thought he would have snapped it up by now as it will be way higher than St J can offer....I wonder if he wants a guarantee of being first choice. Devlin would be his direct challenger for that spot. And his injury absence has been worrying to say the least....

Obviously we will need a replacement for Wilson. Stewart? No idea what McInnes is thinking regarding him. His performances don't warrant a contract offer but DM sees something in him that most everyone else doesn't. If the sevco rumour is true that is where he will be heading but I really don't think it is.

Ball I think will take up our offer. He will likely replace Shinnie on a 1 for 1 basis, but young Campbell will for sure get a lot more first team exposure next season and should relegate Ball to being a squad player by the start of season 20/21, perhaps even a wee bit sooner.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 04, 2019, 11:05:12 PM
It's an unenviable task like. We reached a high point a couple of seasons back when we were banging in goals for fun and got ourselves a record points total. Each transfer window since we've regressed. It's making it harder and harder each summer to replace those who are leaving. Shinnie will be a massive loss. One of the best midfielders in the league and will be the equivalent of losing Hayes a couple of years back. GMS has, unfortunately, been unreliable (and brilliant, at times). Max Lowe is also huge. I'm not convinced we'll be able to keep him and I think that will destroy the balance in our team.

It's going to be a further summer of getting numbers in. It's a big turnover. Not only is it a big turnover, but there's a huge question mark over those who remain. May and Gleeson are three who I'd rather have an alternative in place but I think with their contracts as they are then we'll struggle to offload. Paying off Gleeson would be money well spent as he'll get a contract somewhere else and we can just pay the difference; he won't want to hang around here and he's behind Campbell at the moment (although I think he might play on Saturday as McInnes tries out options for the semi as Campbell clearly wasn't ready). I'd like to see May offloaded too, but I think we'll have to keep him just to avoid having to sign even more players.

We have to be pragmatic, so I'd definitely keep Stewart if available because he's a decent player who we can get more out of. Most importantly, he's a known quantity. I'd also keep Ball on the same basis. That leaves us still to sign a Left back, a centre half (or two if McKenna leaves), a central midfielder (I disagree with TC, Ball wouldn't even be a tenth of a replacement of Shinnie - although I suspect that wasn't you stating your preference just what you think might happen), at least one wide player and a striker as a minimum

That's a minimum of 5 first 11 players that we need, which is huge. At roughly 50% success rate (which would be an improvement) then we're looking at 10 players in during the summer. That's a real problem.

With Wright an unused sub for Dundee last night then it doesn't look like we're getting back a ready made first teamer either, but Anderson seems to be progressing nicely and will hopefully take the place of May as first sub up front (I think Cosgrove has his limitations too, but I think we have to go with him).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 05, 2019, 06:43:07 AM
Scary stuff, we will be as threadbare as fuck!

Left Back is massive, we can't go with Considine as our 1st choice LB next season, as good a servant as the guy has been, he should be kept as a squad player only who can cover CB, or even LB in an emergency. I'd like to see us ffer Killie a fee for their LB, Greg Taylor, pretty energetic and pacy, would fit in nicely. That is only if we have zero chance in getting Lowe back.

Centre Back, well IF McKenna does go, I'd have said the lad Halkett at Livingston would have been my choice to replace him, only 23, would have been free, a unit and knows the league, but he's Hearts bound. On the other hand, if Hoban was to be released by Watford, I'd love us to sign him permanently, albeit he's a risk, but he's a class act and we could also add Shaughnessy if he agrees the pre-contract, keeping the numbers up.

Rico, regarding Shinnie, you are correct, there was a stage this season where I was really frustrated with him, he was under-performing and he looked down and unhappy, but he's back to the tenacious, driving midfielder that will absolutely be missed & will definitely be hard to replace. Could we lure Mulumbu away from Celtic? He's clearly not in their plans and at his age, you'd think he'd want 1st team football over a bigger wage, he's already had that down south, so surely the attraction of 1st team football, and still a decent enough wage, could lure him?

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 05, 2019, 08:27:59 AM
Am I right in saying that Considine is out of contract this summer? If so, surprised he hasn’t been offered an extension, McInnes seems to love him.

The Sun is saying we’re trying to get Curtis Main from Motherwell and tried to sign him in January.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on April 05, 2019, 09:20:03 AM
Massive rebuilding job ahead of McInnes this summer.

Summary of today's rumblings from the tabloids

McInnes about ready to give up on the attempt to get Shug on a pre contract
As Slim says above we're after Main on freedom of contract (no thank you from me)
Apparently we have offered Stewart a FOUR YEAR contract but he will be announced as a HUN in the next twenty four hours on a three year deal.

Make of it all as you will :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 05, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
curtis main another non scoring forward tremendous, my only concern is I would have thought we would have maybe a few on pre contract already , certainly wouldnt be offering stewart a 4 year contract
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on April 06, 2019, 09:34:16 PM
If there is any possible chance of us getting Lowe on a permanent , we have to pursue it, quality player . Same regards Hoban (although a risk) we should go for him.
  Strange how we havnt heard back from Joe S from St.J, probably wants to be guaranteed a place every week.  We need more striking options i feel & a playmaking midfielder.
Dont think we will see GMS in a dons shirt again & it looks like Shinnie (who looks back to his best) will be off. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 06, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
Problem with Hoban is that it's unlikely he will be fit for the start of next season ( there is also a fair chance he might never be fit enough to play ever again). Whilst Watford certainly wont be offering him a new contract, I'm certain they will allow him to use their medical, physio and training facilities until such point as the loon will be able to say for certain that he will or won't be able to play again. With cruciate injuries it's considered 9 months plus out so the earliest he would be in a position to play would be November.

We really couldn't risk giving him a contract in summer in the hope that he will be fit at some point. Only once he is fit to do full training would it be worth the risk. But even then he would have to accept a very low basic wage but with appearance bonuses on a contract that (at least initially) would only run till the end of next season. On the money he is used to being on at Watford, he might not find that too attractive a proposition (of course he will probably find his options very limited anyway).

The boy is obviously a talent but has suffered horrendous luck with injuries. I'd like to think we could get him onboard once he's fit but as things stand I'd say it's very doubtful we will see him wearing the red shirt ever again.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 07, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
Alan Nixon on Twitter just said that Derby are leading the race to sign Shinnie on a pre-contract, with Wigan also interested. Alan is pretty much on the money the majority of the time.

I am absolutely certain that he won't be with us next season, you always have that cautious optimism when it's one of your best players, but if the likes of Derby are interested, then you'd have to concede defeat.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 07, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
Got to be a no to Hoban, we've got to stop signing crocks. May, Wilson, Devlin, Hoban......not doing the team any good.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 08, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Alan Nixon on Twitter just said that Derby are leading the race to sign Shinnie on a pre-contract, with Wigan also interested. Alan is pretty much on the money the majority of the time.

I am absolutely certain that he won't be with us next season, you always have that cautious optimism when it's one of your best players, but if the likes of Derby are interested, then you'd have to concede defeat.

Resigned to losing Shinnie. Good luck to him if he moves down there, I was never one for presuming he was going to the Huns.

All gone quiet on the GMS front, perhaps a chance that given his injury situation that teams might back off and he'll sign up again? Wouldn't be averse to it but, as with all our wingers, we need better consistency from him.

Hoping we have more signings like Lowe, Ferguson, Devlin, Cosgrove this summer rather than Gleeson and Wilson types.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 08, 2019, 08:54:07 AM
Held off from commenting on this thread for a while. Wanted to have a proper think of what has annoyed me this season.  If we thought last summer was a big one, this one is huge. DM hasn't shown he's got the knowledge or creativity to do what is needed.  There are so many holes across the board that now need to be filled that it almost makes it impossible to maintain the level we've been used to. Of course it remains to be seen if he'll be here next season too.

We need another forward, that most certainly is not Wilson.  We need two central midfielders (creative and enforcer that shinnie has been doing) and at least one winger. I'd like to see Lowe re-sign (obviously, on loan or permanently) and get another RB.  Logan has been unreliable at best over the past couple of seasons.  Love him as a player and a character, but really don't know if his hearts in it anymore.  Not sure if we'll see McKenna go this summer, he's hardly set the heather alight since Jan. A lot of basic errors, which are probably down to inexperience.  There's talent there, but I think we'd be extremely lucky to see £5m for him.

I agree with KNS, got to be a no to Hoban.  No doubting his ability but we really can't afford to have someone who is made of glass. Costs us a fortune.

If Shinnie does go to Derby, I wish him well. We'll miss his drive and passion massively next season. I'd much rather he go there than anywhere else in Scotland.  He's better than Wigan.

Still not sure if I have confidence in DM to do what's necessary. Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 08, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
If we thought last summer was a big one, this one is huge. DM hasn't shown he's got the knowledge or creativity to do what is needed. 

Don't know if I agree with that - Ferguson, Devlin, Lowe and Cosgrove have all joined in the last year or so and are exactly what have been required - a few of them have been plucked from nowhere. You'll always get Gleeson, Forrester and Wilson type signings, but the bigger crime would be to persisting with them out of bloody mindedness and not giving the likes of Ferguson and Campbell the game time they've seen. The shite will be moved on as soon as possible, as has always been the case under DM.

DM has also been fairly clear that an improved scouting network is what he'd like to see prioritised once the funding for the training ground/stadium is in place.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 08, 2019, 03:41:18 PM
Don't know if I agree with that - Ferguson, Devlin, Lowe and Cosgrove have all joined in the last year or so and are exactly what have been required - a few of them have been plucked from nowhere.

Agree about Ferguson and Cosgrove. Lowe to an extent ( been excellent but at the end of the day he's a loan and as things stand will be returning to his parent club next month).

Devlin looked the pick of the bunch when the season started. However it has to be remembered he was injured long term when he joined us and spent 6 months getting himself fit. We got 3 very good months out of him, deservedly getting a Scotland call up only to return from it injured (not even in a match). Followed by another near 3 months out and since considered "fit" to return has mainly been a substitute and when called on to play has been nowhere near the standards set at the start of the season. I think in view of this, plus his previous injury history, the jury must remain firmly out. ( As I've said before, our ultimately unsuccessful pursuit of Shaughnessy seems very suspicious)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 08, 2019, 05:26:30 PM
Don't know if I agree with that - Ferguson, Devlin, Lowe and Cosgrove have all joined in the last year or so and are exactly what have been required - a few of them have been plucked from nowhere. You'll always get Gleeson, Forrester and Wilson type signings, but the bigger crime would be to persisting with them out of bloody mindedness and not giving the likes of Ferguson and Campbell the game time they've seen. The shite will be moved on as soon as possible, as has always been the case under DM.

DM has also been fairly clear that an improved scouting network is what he'd like to see prioritised once the funding for the training ground/stadium is in place.

I hadn't heard Deek mentioning that before, that's interesting. It is the one area he appears to have done zero work on since arriving at the club. Every other department seems to have at least one DM appointment in it. It's pretty fundamental though.

You're right that you always get Gleeson-type signings, however it is the volume of them and the glaringly obvious nature that strikes me as bordering on incompetent. Different players respond differently to the environment of course, but guys like Forrester, Maynard, Tansey etc were clearly never going to be of the standard. Yer Wilson and Gleeson are easier mistakes to make as they've got something about them and have attributes that would suit them to our game, and I accept that 2 or 3 mistakes will be made in each summer window. Really, a 50-60% return should be viable and I don't think that we've been close to that in the last 2-3 seasons (about 5 windows, which shows a repeated failure). With each passing window we've got weaker and weaker. With such a huge turnover due in the summer then that will inevitably be the case again.

However, I do believe it is systemic within AFC so I'm not convinced a new manager would suddenly start picking up gems once their initial stock (from previous employment) wears thin. We can't expect everything from our manager, the club needs the set up to back him and I think we're way short.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on April 09, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
I see Tony Watt is leaving St.Johnstone soon??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 09, 2019, 01:56:28 AM
I hadn't heard Deek mentioning that before, that's interesting. It is the one area he appears to have done zero work on since arriving at the club. Every other department seems to have at least one DM appointment in it. It's pretty fundamental though.

You're right that you always get Gleeson-type signings, however it is the volume of them and the glaringly obvious nature that strikes me as bordering on incompetent. Different players respond differently to the environment of course, but guys like Forrester, Maynard, Tansey etc were clearly never going to be of the standard. Yer Wilson and Gleeson are easier mistakes to make as they've got something about them and have attributes that would suit them to our game, and I accept that 2 or 3 mistakes will be made in each summer window. Really, a 50-60% return should be viable and I don't think that we've been close to that in the last 2-3 seasons (about 5 windows, which shows a repeated failure). With each passing window we've got weaker and weaker. With such a huge turnover due in the summer then that will inevitably be the case again.

However, I do believe it is systemic within AFC so I'm not convinced a new manager would suddenly start picking up gems once their initial stock (from previous employment) wears thin. We can't expect everything from our manager, the club needs the set up to back him and I think we're way short.

Agree with most of what you've written, pretty much how I was viewing things before I'd commented.  But the bit in bold, certainly felt like that with the striker situation and why we ended up with May instead of moult. But i'd question the spending of 400k on May in the first place. Think he (DM) probably deserves a window with a proper budget to see what he can do, but again, we'll probably fall short, and so will DM.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 09, 2019, 06:47:51 AM
I don't think I trust McInnes with a bigger tranfer budget. I think his past couple of windows have been pretty poor and hasn't really improved the squad. I know it is not an easy job trying to pick up the next big thing on our tight budget with every other club doing the same thing, but it shouldn't stop us trying, but you need good guys on the ground ensuring the players they highlight fit into our system and will add value to the first team/squad, due consideration should be paid to the youth team to see who realistically can push for first team and also who would benefit from a year playing out on loan, the one plus point this season is seeing our own players get chances, whether that is down to our main signings being poor and not fitting in to our style we can leave for another thread.

Personally I think it is time for a change of manager I think we have come as far as we can with him and he would probably benefit from the change also.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 09, 2019, 09:48:59 AM
steve clarke doesnt need a proper budget but gets more out of his players ...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 09, 2019, 11:27:27 AM
steve clarke doesnt need a proper budget but gets more out of his players ...

I don't think that there is any question that Clarke is the best manager in the league. He's also out of our budget now. Killie pay half as much as us with a similar squad size. Not sure how that is made up in terms of earners, but given that they were matching us in the offer to Stewart it wouldn't be inconceivable to think that they had 4-5 players on similar contracts to some of our first teamers. I would think that Clarke has a far greater success rate with his signings, which makes a huge difference in cutting the gap between the budgets. I imagine that our average wage without Wilson, Hoban, Gleeson and Forrester (vs any crap signings they've made) would be massively reduced. Adding in GMS - missing for half a season - and our expensively assembled first team actually looks quite cheap. It'd be really interesting to get an idea of individual's wages (even just in wage-brackets) so we could actually work out a weighted team cost based on minutes on the pitch. I think our failings in the transfer market would leave us without a huge advantage over Killie. Not only does Clarke get more out of his players, but he gets better value for money on signings than any other team in the league. It's impressive like.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 09, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
but you need good guys on the ground ensuring the players they highlight fit into our system and will add value to the first team/squad

Agree we need good scouts but what is "our system"? I've never seen one.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 09, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
Clarke has done well, no doubt about it but let's not get carried away. He has had one exceptional season by Killie standards but he has not won anything and not qualified for Europe yet either. Pre-Kilmarnock his record as a manager was very mixed, he had not pulled up many trees which is the reason he is at Rugby Park and not somewhere else. Let's see what happens next season when he is forced to rebuild and judge him properly then.

There has been a lot of hype about Clarke but we have had managers up here winning things with the likes of Caley, Ross County and St Johnstone so let's not get too excited by one really good season.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 09, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
I don't think that there is any question that Clarke is the best manager in the league. He's also out of our budget now. Killie pay half as much as us with a similar squad size. Not sure how that is made up in terms of earners, but given that they were matching us in the offer to Stewart it wouldn't be inconceivable to think that they had 4-5 players on similar contracts to some of our first teamers. I would think that Clarke has a far greater success rate with his signings, which makes a huge difference in cutting the gap between the budgets. I imagine that our average wage without Wilson, Hoban, Gleeson and Forrester (vs any crap signings they've made) would be massively reduced. Adding in GMS - missing for half a season - and our expensively assembled first team actually looks quite cheap. It'd be really interesting to get an idea of individual's wages (even just in wage-brackets) so we could actually work out a weighted team cost based on minutes on the pitch. I think our failings in the transfer market would leave us without a huge advantage over Killie. Not only does Clarke get more out of his players, but he gets better value for money on signings than any other team in the league. It's impressive like.

Don't agree about the wages. In the average wages of 2017, we were 3rd highest in SPFL at £2630/week. Killie were down in 8th at £1060/week. They got Stewart on loan on a very cheap contribution to his Birmingham weekly wage of £6k/week. (£1500/week). We were paying £2500/week in his first spell with us. They got him so cheaply as there was nobody else that wanted him!

Admittedly, Clarke got him playing well for him in a system where he was not expected to do any defensive donkey work. That got us interested again and Birmingham (whose financial problems are well publicised) saw an opportunity to get a higher portion of his wages covered again ( rumoured again to be £2.5k/week). Killie obviously saw the value he brought to them and agreed to match our offer but by then the deal was done with us....unsurprisingly with his Birmingham contract coming to an end (and possibly already with the promise of a contract from us in the summer) he chose to rejoin us with the chance to put himself in the shop window at a club with a far higher level of media exposure.

What is undeniable is that Clarke for sure is getting far better value out of his squad and his recruitment "hit or miss" level is far more impressive than Mcinnes'. As you say, he is out of our league now as his next move when he inevitably leaves Killie will be either  to the English Championship as a manager outright or the English Premiership as an assistant......either option on wages far higher than we could get close to ( there is maybe a small chance that Celtic would consider him for their hotseat, especially if Lennon doesn't win them the Scottish Cup).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 09, 2019, 01:20:18 PM
Don't agree about the wages. In the average wages of 2017, we were 3rd highest in SPFL at £2630/week. Killie were down in 8th at £1060/week. They got Stewart on loan on a very cheap contribution to his Birmingham weekly wage of £6k/week. (£1500/week). We were paying £2500/week in his first spell with us. They got him so cheaply as there was nobody else that wanted him!

According to Statista, as at Nov18 we were averaging £138.67pa (3rd), with them on £62.82 (7th). I said double as opposed to 45/100. We're in agreement on Stewart, regardless of the circumstances.

What I meant about them matching wages is that because of our shite signings, several of our first 11 will be on similar wages. Our higher earners like Wilson and Gleeson (presumably, given he was signed as a first 11 players) take the average up whilst sitting on the bench, whereas their higher earners will be on the pitch. Thus their higher earners vs our below average earners will greatly reduce the perceived budget gap. Guys like Jones, Power, Dicker, Broadfoot, Bachmann, O-Donnell will be on similar wages to the likes of Ball, Considine, Ferguson and Cosgrove.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 09, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
Question is if Killie finish above us does that tell us something ? On average we pay double per player per week although given the data it could be more, curiously Killie appear to have more listed first team players than us- might be more reserve/youth playing.

Admittedly Clarke took over in October 2017 and a lot of the signings werent his but then managed to get far more out them than Mcculloch

DM has won one trophy , Clarkes arguably has had 2 good seasons
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 09, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
Question is if Killie finish above us does that tell us something ? On average we pay double per player per week although given the data it could be more, curiously Killie appear to have more listed first team players than us- might be more reserve/youth playing.

Admittedly Clarke took over in October 2017 and a lot of the signings werent his but then managed to get far more out them than Mcculloch

DM has won one trophy , Clarkes arguably has had 2 good seasons

It tells us that Clarke is a better manager, but I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. Regardless of Clarke winning a trophy or not, he's done an excellent job, and he's sustained it beyond just the season that he took over, showing that it wasn't just "new manager bounce". He's significantly better than both Levein and Lennon (tbc Heckingbottom) too which suggests that it's not peculiar to McInnes.

The average is based on total wages/squad size so squad size not totally relevant. As I said, poor signings meant we've probably got a disproportionally expensive bench, which I don't think Killie do to the same extent.

I think the McCulloch - Clarke comparison is no different to the Brown - McInnes one. McInnes took us from 8th - 3rd with a lot of players from the Brown era who he just got to play better along with a few good signings (you could compare Robson with Mulumbu for example). It'll be interesting to see how Clarke gets on with re-building. I expect a lot of his signings to date have been from his recent past (watching, as well as working with). The less time he gets to watch other leagues will mean he has to rely on the Killie scouts a lot more (in the way McInnes has with us). If he has to rely on the judgement of others, I wonder it if will upset the cart a little. I don't know if he's added his own people to that area or not of course.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 11, 2019, 08:42:11 AM
Let's see what happens next season when he is forced to rebuild and judge him properly then.

Absolutely this.

A fairer comparison might be between the first 18 months of Clarke at Killie compared to the first 18 months of McInnes at Aberdeen. We had a trophy in the bag, had shifted right up the league and progressed in Europe. All relative in terms of budgets etc but I certainly wouldn't agree that McInnes comes off second best in that context.

Where McInnes is percieved to have struggled is when he's lost his better players and has struggled to replace them with equivalent quality. When we signed McLean in 2015, as an example, Sevco/Hearts/Hibs were all basket case Championship clubs so we had a relatively free run at getting him. If he was a young player at St Mirren now, we'd have far more competition to sign him and would be a major coup if we did - even Celtic would probably be sniffing around as they stockpile young Scottish players (e.g Morgan)

As McInnes himself has alluded to - replacing Hayes and McLean at their peak with similar level replacements at their peak is difficult. The next best thing is signing guys like Ferguson and giving McLennan/Campbell etc good game time, albeit signings like Forrester have disappointed - but the idea that there's a wealth of ready made Kenny McLeans and Jonny Hayes waiting for us to come and sign which McInnes is ignoring is ridiculous. Clarke will have the same issues which McInnes has when he loses his players en masse - albeit I suspect it'll be even harder for him given Kilmarnock have a smaller budget than we do.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 11, 2019, 08:54:26 AM
Absolutely this.

A fairer comparison might be between the first 18 months of Clarke at Killie compared to the first 18 months of McInnes at Aberdeen. We had a trophy in the bag, had shifted right up the league and progressed in Europe. All relative in terms of budgets etc but I certainly wouldn't agree that McInnes comes off second best in that context.

Where McInnes is percieved to have struggled is when he's lost his better players and has struggled to replace them with equivalent quality. When we signed McLean in 2015, as an example, Sevco/Hearts/Hibs were all basket case Championship clubs so we had a relatively free run at getting him. If he was a young player at St Mirren now, we'd have far more competition to sign him and would be a major coup if we did - even Celtic would probably be sniffing around as they stockpile young Scottish players (e.g Morgan)

As McInnes himself has alluded to - replacing Hayes and McLean at their peak with similar level replacements at their peak is difficult. The next best thing is signing guys like Ferguson and giving McLennan/Campbell etc good game time, albeit signings like Forrester have disappointed - but the idea that there's a wealth of ready made Kenny McLeans and Jonny Hayes waiting for us to come and sign which McInnes is ignoring is ridiculous. Clarke will have the same issues which McInnes has when he loses his players en masse - albeit I suspect it'll be even harder for him given Kilmarnock have a smaller budget than we do.

Excellent post  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on April 11, 2019, 01:42:17 PM
Considine offered new contract allegedly
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 11, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
And Shiinie now in Derby, holding talks with them. Been pictured at their Stadium & BBC Sport Scotland now reporting it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on April 11, 2019, 04:03:09 PM
And Shiinie now in Derby, holding talks with them. Been pictured at their Stadium & BBC Sport Scotland now reporting it.

Sorry to see him go, but by fuck thats a bigger move than I thought he'd get.
Good luck to him, will go with my best wishes
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 11, 2019, 06:13:20 PM
Honestly think if we were in the English Championship we would be pretty much neck and neck with Derby. Guffball is vastly overrated despite the cash.

Obviously if he does sign with them it will secure him financially for life. He's given us the best years of his career and should leave with everyone's best wishes.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 11, 2019, 07:41:21 PM
Agree we need good scouts but what is "our system"? I've never seen one.

A fair question, but I'm fucked if I know. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 11, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
I'll admit I'll miss Shinnie, but if he has to go I do hope it's England.

One of my favourite players for a long time in the Aberdeen jersey and loved his approach and committment.

We haven't replaced either Mclean or Hayes yet, so not holding my breath in replacing Shinnie anytime soon and have no idea who will step up to be captain, I don't think there are many leaders in our team. I would say Logan is the strongest candidate, but I feel is wouldn't help his performaces on the pitch, which haven't been that great overall this season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 11, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
I'll admit I'll miss Shinnie, but if he has to go I do hope it's England.

One of my favourite players for a long time in the Aberdeen jersey and loved his approach and committment.

We haven't replaced either Mclean or Hayes yet, so not holding my breath in replacing Shinnie anytime soon and have no idea who will step up to be captain, I don't think there are many leaders in our team. I would say Logan is the strongest candidate, but I feel is wouldn't help his performaces on the pitch, which haven't been that great overall this season.

Not even convinced Logan will be an automatic choice next season.....we tried to sign Naismith to replace him last summer. The obvious candidate would be McKenna but he might not be around much longer either so....presuming he's fit...I think we will go with Devlin.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 12, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
Apparently we tried to sign a Striker called Adam Le Fondre in the Summer last year but he opted to go to Australia, either that, or we have approached him with a view to signing him this summer, you'll need to forgive me, I saw it on Twitter so never really paid complete attention.

If it's the latter, then he is currently 32yo, plays for Sydney FC and has a pretty decent record from his time in England between 2007 & 2014, since then, the goals haven't been as free flowing. Has a slight tinge of Nicky Maynard about it in that it looks like a McInnes signing. Of course, it could be that we approached him last year so there is nothing in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_le_Fondre


Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on April 12, 2019, 12:44:32 PM

 Shinnie almost a cert for Derby,and the Stewart to the Hun rumour looks true,@£10k per week
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 12, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
Apparently we tried to sign a Striker called Adam Le Fondre in the Summer last year but he opted to go to Australia, either that, or we have approached him with a view to signing him this summer, you'll need to forgive me, I saw it on Twitter so never really paid complete attention.

If it's the latter, then he is currently 32yo, plays for Sydney FC and has a pretty decent record from his time in England between 2007 & 2014, since then, the goals haven't been as free flowing. Has a slight tinge of Nicky Maynard about it in that it looks like a McInnes signing. Of course, it could be that we approached him last year so there is nothing in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_le_Fondre


Le Fondre knows where the goal is and scores plenty of decent goals in the aleague. Hell, i'd happily see him go back to the UK and leave those blue bastards. Remember him being good at Reading too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 12, 2019, 01:17:01 PM
Shinnie almost a cert for Derby,and the Stewart to the Hun rumour looks true,@£10k per week

Just find it strange why if it were true, sevco haven't already got him on a pre-contract to stop us (who I believe are his only serious pursuers) signing him up.

And £10k/week is just ridiculous. He was on £6k/week at Birmingham who would have let him sign for anyone for free the past 2 years if they would cover his wages. No one was interested..... yet sevco are now not only going to match those wages but actually increase them by 66%?????? I can see why sevco might have been interested in Shinnie, purely to deprive us of his services even if he wouldn't have played particularly often due to their surfeit of midfielders competing for a place. Stewart I'd presume would be used as a number 10 which they do have a need for.....but only if they completely abandon their 4/3/3 system that they've used pretty much exclusively since Gerrard was appointed.

As I've said before.....I'll believe it when I see it. I really hope it is true as it will prevent McInnes handing him a 3 or 4 year contract on money close to or matching his Birmingham wages.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on April 12, 2019, 01:23:22 PM
 Good source close to the club,cant name,but understand your scepticism re wages,seems mental,lets see what happens
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 12, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
Happy if Rangers sign him. If the extent of their ambition is the likes of Stewart, Kamara and Jones, they're not going to pull away from us. Unless of course we regress.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 12, 2019, 11:14:03 PM
Happy if Rangers sign him. If the extent of their ambition is the likes of Stewart, Kamara and Jones, they're not going to pull away from us. Unless of course we continue to regress.

 ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 13, 2019, 06:10:19 AM
;)

Well someone had to say it!  ;D :gonk:
Title: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on April 15, 2019, 01:41:02 PM
, 2ish for Cosgrove,
2 pound? That's about it
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 15, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
 8 for mckenna, 2ish for Cosgrove ? seriously ? after recent displays no one will pay 8m for mckenna, guess the bevvy hasnt worn off since yesterday... 2m for cosgrove bid from a chinese club ?
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
2 mill was the chat through the week from Millwall.  He's under contract till 2022 so given age and potential I would say that's probably fair.

As for 8 Mill for McKenna well we have already turned down 6.5. 
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: SeeBass on April 15, 2019, 02:50:10 PM
I've just done a quick check on Loan Players we've had in over this McInnes tenure.

Shaleum Logan, Alan Tate, Michael Hector (2013)
Jeffrey Monakana, Donervon Daniels (2014)
Danny Ward, Ryan McLaughlin, Adam Collin, Simon Church, Josh Parker (2015)
Wes Burns, James Maddison, Ryan Christie (2016)
Freddie Woodman, Chidi Nwakali, Greg Stewart, Dominic Ball, "Kenny McLean", Ryan Christie again!! (2017)
Tommie Hoban, Max Lowe, James Wilson, Greg Stewart once more!!, Dominic Ball for another season!! (2018)

TWENTY ONE DIFFERENT PLAYERS WHICH IRONICALLY AMOUNTS TO THREE AND A HALF PLAYERS A SEASON BECAUSE SOME OF THEM PROBABLY ONLY HALF A PLAYER IN REALITY!!!

I'm not saying this is to blame for anything but when you include below disaster zone also it pretty embarrassing stuff to say the least.

Calvin Zola, Gregg Wylde (2014)
Scott Brown, Andrew Driver (2014-15)
Joe Nutall, Aaron Lennox (2015-16)
Jayden Stockley, Anthony O'Connor, Callum Morris, Miles Storey (2016-2017)
Greg Tansey, Nicky Maynard (2017-18)
Chris Forrester, Stephen Gleeson, Jordan McGregor (2018-19)
 
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 15, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
 very much doubt we turned down that amount.. spin from club  and i guess you are making figures up re cosgrove... god help us if we get that money and give it to DM
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 15, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
Hope you are right TLG if indeed these players were to leave but your figures look pretty optimistic given what players up here normally go for outwith Celtic/Rangers/Sevco.

If we lost all three in the summer I'd expect to we would get something like £4M for McKenna, half a mil for Lewis and between half and a million for Big Sam.  English clubs just don't pay big bucks for players outwith the Glasgow teams.  Good thing is that sell on clauses are becoming the norm and we can maybe start to cash in on players as they move on further down the line like Fraser might.
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: RicoS321 on April 15, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
very much doubt we turned down that amount.. spin from club  and i guess you are making figures up re cosgrove... god help us if we get that money and give it to DM

Agree with this, although I'm not sure if it was club spin or agent spin. It would have been ludicrous to turn down £6M for a dons player. That's the prize funds for 4 second places. I always said that £3.5M would be a good offer for McKenna, and I think we might get slightly more than that in the summer if we're lucky. £750-1000K for Cosgrove would be decent business too, but I see no need to move him on in the summer (we definitely need another striker though).
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
The 2 mill for Cosgrove I heard on sportsound.  Make of it what you will but all things considered it seems about right.  I would wager Cosgroves new deal would be about 3k a week give or take making his overall contract worth about 470k.  Given we don't want to sell him and he's young you can multiply that a few times for final transfer fee.

As for fees paid to Scottish clubs from English John Mcginn went for 2.75 in the final year of his deal.  SM has 4 years left and a lot of teams have been sniffing about him which puts the price up even more.  Add it all up and a deal worth 8 mill doesn't sound particularly steep if you ask me. I could, of course, be wrong but time will tell.  I think we can all agree that we will find out what the club are prepared to accept inside the next 2 months though.

Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Agree with this, although I'm not sure if it was club spin or agent spin. It would have been ludicrous to turn down £6M for a dons player. That's the prize funds for 4 second places. I always said that £3.5M would be a good offer for McKenna, and I think we might get slightly more than that in the summer if we're lucky. £750-1000K for Cosgrove would be decent business too, but I see no need to move him on in the summer (we definitely need another striker though).

Glad your not director of football at afc.  McKenna would be at the San giro if so.....   He's worth way more than 3.5 and it wasn't ludicrous to turn down that offer of 6.5.  It was deadline day the bid came in and we couldn't have replaced him. Given how our defensive injuries went in the first half of the season we would have been completely screwed without McKenna. 
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: RicoS321 on April 15, 2019, 04:21:49 PM
Glad your not director of football at afc.  McKenna would be at the San giro if so.....   He's worth way more than 3.5 and it wasn't ludicrous to turn down that offer of 6.5.  It was deadline day the bid came in and we couldn't have replaced him. Given how our defensive injuries went in the first half of the season we would have been completely screwed without McKenna.

I've not seen any evidence at all that we received an offer of £6.5M for McKenna and I don't believe it for a second. Our director of football would be an idiot if he turned that down, final day or not. McKenna wouldn't have been the difference between us finishing second and fourth given the personnel we had at the start of the season in that position (Hoban, Devlin, Considine, Ball) and we certainly wouldn't have predicted the injuries we suffered. We could have picked up a free transfer like Halford to make up the numbers until January. The risk of McKenna having a poor season or getting injured just wouldn't have been worth the money not received given the average abilities of the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Panda on April 15, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
Have the club themselves not been on record as saying the bid was no-where near £6.5m?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 15, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
Dylan McGeough has been struggling to get into Sunderland's starting 11 in League One, wouldn't be surprised to see him back up the road in the summer, especially if they get promoted. That would be a bread and butter McInnes signing.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 15, 2019, 05:32:50 PM
Would also be a pretty decent one though. I don't think he's as good as Shinnie (despite many suggesting otherwise when he was at Hibs) but he's good and he's good in this league. We can afford a few risks down South but we'll need the tried and tested to ensure that we don't end up massively worse next season. That's not specific to McInnes' ability to sign players either, just a general truism.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 15, 2019, 05:41:13 PM
Jamie Walker would probably be another one, nowhere near the first team since signing from Hearts. Similar type of player to Greg Stewart I think.
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
A month after the fact still reported as 6.5 mill. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45805859

I've never once heard the club say it was less, not saying it didn't happen but I didn't hear it if they did.  Got a source for that?
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Panda on April 15, 2019, 07:09:04 PM
A month after the fact still reported as 6.5 mill. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45805859

I've never once heard the club say it was less, not saying it didn't happen but I didn't hear it if they did.  Got a source for that?

It actually says in your link "reported as £6.5m", which is the writer of that article just stating that reports in other media have said it was £6.5m. They aren't stating it as a fact themselves.

I can't find the link, but I'm fairly sure the club said Villa's offer was not the £6.5m reported at the time, or at the very least wasn't the initial fee (likely loads of add ons and clauses that could potentially have made it that high one day). Stoke offered less than £5m in January, and you wouldn't expect a club to offer less than a bid that has already been rejected. Same with Celtic and their £3.5m bid.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on April 15, 2019, 07:30:30 PM
Dylan McGeough has been struggling to get into Sunderland's starting 11 in League One, wouldn't be surprised to see him back up the road in the summer, especially if they get promoted. That would be a bread and butter McInnes signing.

Mates who support Sunderland say he has played well when in the team but the problem is he has never been fully fit. Missed Saturday due to injury again. Would be surprised if Sunderland would be looking to sell just yet.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 15, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
We offered to make McGeouch our highest paid player last summer but he chose an even bigger wage to go play in EFL1 (granted at a team who really shouldn't be there). Can't seem to stay fit for any length of time. It's a no for me, especially as he would want his wages down there at least matched....topping what we have offered Shinnie to stay.

Walker might be worth taking a punt on but as far as I'm aware has hardly featured at all in 2 years. Was excellent for Hearts but his form seemed to desert him after the proposed sevco move fell through. Maybe take him on loan for 6 months to see if he clicks and take it from there?
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Ten Caat on April 15, 2019, 08:14:30 PM
I definitely believe the £6.5 million figure but remember that Villa wanted him on loan till January first before the fee kicked in IF they chose to make the transfer permanent. It would have left us short of a key player with only days to go till the end of the transfer window which is why IIRC we refused the deal.
 
His form all season has been up and down.....but has still collected Scotland caps despite making a few howlers for both club and country. Some folk are saying he is still young and errors can be expected whilst he is still learning. Possibly fair comment but I really do think that whilst there may be interest from clubs down south in summer, I cant see them wanting to pay more than £4-5 million. With Boyata likely offski, can see Celtic returning with a bid in that region.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 16, 2019, 04:00:11 PM
Does anyone know what our numbers will be after the loans expire and the out of contract players leave, as well as the potential McKenna departure, and including the players currently loaned out ( Wright, Ross, Anderson etc... )

We could be facing the most threadbare squad come the end of the season that we have maybe witnessed previously ( In my lifetime that I remember anyway )

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 16, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
Does anyone know what our numbers will be after the loans expire and the out of contract players leave, as well as the potential McKenna departure, and including the players currently loaned out ( Wright, Ross, Anderson etc... )

We could be facing the most threadbare squad come the end of the season that we have maybe witnessed previously ( In my lifetime that I remember anyway )

If you thought what we're going to be left with is threadbare, my local side the Wellington Phoenix have just been shafted by their manager, and squad size next season? 6.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 16, 2019, 09:45:07 PM
If you thought what we're going to be left with is threadbare, my local side the Wellington Phoenix have just been shafted by their manager, and squad size next season? 6.

6, that's about right - keep Lewis, Devlin, McKenna, Ferguson..... wait that's 4. And McInnes shafts us by staying.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 16, 2019, 11:14:06 PM
Devlin has been utter pants since his return from injury. I have grave reservations about his long term fitness but the fact remains that he is being kept out the side by Considine at present. And rightly so...

Surely keep young Campbell who will see a lot more game time next season? McLennan also. And Cosgrove. But everyone else (i'm not counting the loan signings) yep I agree can go either for free or relatively small fees. May as well do a total rebuild as what we are facing is pretty major anyway.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 17, 2019, 05:18:42 AM
Devlin has been utter pants since his return from injury. I have grave reservations about his long term fitness but the fact remains that he is being kept out the side by Considine at present. And rightly so...

Surely keep young Campbell who will see a lot more game time next season? McLennan also. And Cosgrove. But everyone else (i'm not counting the loan signings) yep I agree can go either for free or relatively small fees. May as well do a total rebuild as what we are facing is pretty major anyway.

I don’t think Devlin ever got match fit after coming back, think he’ll come good with a preseason in him. We keep the kids, Anderson McLennan Rossx2, Campbell, I’m meaning the older more senior players. Cosgrove can fuck off too, scores 20 to date and I still think he’s pish. I’d take any money we get offered, surely players like him can be found in the lower leagues. Playing him means we spend to much time lumping aimless high balls and the guy is just not my cup of tea. The bizarre thing is we punted Rooney because (I think) we wanted something more in a center forward..... and then we end up with Sam....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 17, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Cosgrove can fuck off too, scores 20 to date and I still think he’s pish. I’d take any money we get offered, surely players like him can be found in the lower leagues. Playing him means we spend to much time lumping aimless high balls and the guy is just not my cup of tea. The bizarre thing is we punted Rooney because (I think) we wanted something more in a center forward..... and then we end up with Sam....

That is extremely harsh LA.  The guy is 22 years old and this is the first time he has played a full season at any level yet he has scored more goals in a season than most of our players in the last 30 years!  He might never turn into a world beater but he is only going to get better as he gets more first team experience.  Could end up making the club an awful lot of money in the future.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 17, 2019, 09:13:03 AM
Can't see why everyone thinks we will be so short of players next season.

Of the team that played on Sunday you would expect we will likely loose McKenna, Lowe and Stewart.  We also have McGinn, Logan and Devlin that did not start in the semi final.  The squad itself is not the biggest but I don't think we will be making loads of signings.  Would expect us to be signing a left back, a Shinnie replacement and a forward and maybe a couple of others to add to the squad.

Yes, the quality of fitba has been poor for much of the season but we've been to a cup final and a semi final and are pushing again for europe.  It's not that bad - in reality there are 9 other teams in this league that would snap your hand off for a season like that. 

Not sure why so many Dons fans feel so entitled to be doing so much better.  Watched some of the Barca v Man Utd game last night and for two teams with similar financial clout it was like men against boys and that is in the quarter final of the champions league yet a lot of our support seem to think we should easily be competing with teams that have the ability to spend money on players that our club can only dream about.  All too recently we watched our team struggle at the bottom end of the table and escape relegation by the skin of our teeth but now after a few decent seasons a growing number of people seem to want to dispense with a manager who is getting us to cup finals and into europe every season.  Bizarre.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 17, 2019, 09:46:06 AM
deary me... the football has been turgid and has been for a few seasons, lack of imagination in terms of signings, failure to progress in Europe when there were opportunities there, poor record in cups... that is the other side of the coin, its just wanting to improve and strive to be better, DM is in a comfort zone... i guess Ajax fans think like you also...

The product is pish I am afraid and if it doesnt get better the attendances will decrease as they have this season.

One thing if Killie beat us on Saturday and finish above us, is that enough to say times up or do we drag out aye it was much worse under Mcghee....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 17, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
deary me... the football has been turgid and has been for a few seasons, lack of imagination in terms of signings, failure to progress in Europe when there were opportunities there, poor record in cups... that is the other side of the coin, its just wanting to improve and strive to be better, DM is in a comfort zone... i guess Ajax fans think like you also...

The product is pish I am afraid and if it doesnt get better the attendances will decrease as they have this season.

One thing if Killie beat us on Saturday and finish above us, is that enough to say times up or do we drag out aye it was much worse under Mcghee....

Let's be honest, it hasn't been turgid for a few seasons. It's been poorer for two seasons. At points last season it was still a pretty high standard (based on our league and based on this century by any team outwith the cheeks). Three seasons ago we were banging in goals in a manner we haven't done since Shearer was up front. We scored 7 goals in more than one game and six in another. To say it was turgid is to hold AFC to a ridiculously high standard. We were excellent that season by any standard any non-scum team has set in the last 25 years.

After losing Hayes and McGinn we struggled significantly but still turned out some excellent performances such as the hibs one at Pittodrie and we finished an impressive second in the league with some very good post-split performances. I think that's an acceptable state of affairs given the difficulty in replacing players lost. However, because we were so far away in our signings (May, GMS, Stewart, Maynard etc) it set us up for another poor season. May, GMS etc weren't terrible, but they were significantly poorer than what came before.

Going into this season we followed up poor signings with poor signings and it's put us further behind. We've had some great results and a handful of decent performances (Hearts at Pittodrie, the early league games where GMS was playing well, the Huns at Ibrox etc), but we're grinding most performances out and one or two injuries are having a huge impact on the overall performance (Shinnie at the weekend, Lowe on boxing day). It's been mostly poor.

I don't think we should overstate the problem, but still recognising that there is a problem. To me, getting a new manager in won't fix the fundamental issue with recruitment. One thing that the Tims did really well under Lennon in his first spell was set up a good recruitment network that put ready-made players under his nose with only the paperwork to go. We're either not doing that, or we've got the wrong people doing it. McInnes can't be expected to do everything on his own and neither can any replacement. That recruitment wing of the club needs a complete overhaul to get people who can decipher what the manager needs in a player and recognise that in players in other leagues. If I could see that Gleeson wasn't dynamic enough for our first team in 30 minutes, then our scouts should have. Scouts can watch these guys over 5-6 games, with a manger likely only to see 1 (Lampard only came up to see one dons game as an example before going for Shinnie) where a player could just have a good game or they are already sold on them by the scout. McInnes takes the blame, but the problem clearly is far more systemic (we've barely scouted and signed a good player this century). Guys like Tansey, Zola etc show he's hit or miss in his own judgement so as a club we need to do significantly better. In my opinion, McInnes showed a couple of seasons ago that he could get a team to play fitba, but a team with poorer players he resorts to game management and grinding out results. A change in manager will just be something different to that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 17, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Last season wasn't too bad if being honest, we were still playing well in most games, although not quite as consistent as in previous seasons, I think the bonus of last season was the run in the final fixtures which clinched us the runner up spot in the league which at one point looked as though it may be beyond our reach.

This season has been very poor, both performance and result wise. We have always had a resilience in the team since DM has been our manager and usually manage to grind out a result when required, maybe not the greatest of performances at times, but still grab the points, but this season has seen none of that. On the plus side we have a couple of kids in the team in Ferguson and McLennan which has been a bonus, the downside has been the failure of our key signings of Forrester and Gleeson and would have to lump Stewart in January into that bracket as it really hasn't happened for him up here again in my opinion.

I would have been happier this season if the performances were better than they have been as I can get over us having a 'bad' season, I have seen plenty in my time and much worse than this one, but just the lack of entertainment on the park which is a major worry and has made me doubt renewing my season ticket for next season, I will, but not doing so with any enthusiasm and not looking forward to see who we bring in over the summer.

A change of manager would be best, but don't believe it is going to happen.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 17, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
After my absolutely theoretical explanation of how we might be able to bag Jamie Walker for next season...…….lo and behold a post appears on the Hat within the last hour saying we have made an enquiry for him  :laughing:

Later on tonight I will be posting some more revelations on how we can get Harry Kane in on a 4 year contract by doing a swap for May and luring Mourinho in as manager by offering the incentive of a crate of Lidl tinned sardines per point gained.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 17, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
walker was decent at hearts?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 17, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
That is extremely harsh LA.  The guy is 22 years old and this is the first time he has played a full season at any level yet he has scored more goals in a season than most of our players in the last 30 years!  He might never turn into a world beater but he is only going to get better as he gets more first team experience.  Could end up making the club an awful lot of money in the future.

I see it two ways. Your points are valid and while he has scored 20 goals, facts are facts. Plus he's been pants for a fair part of the season, what if he were on form all season??? However, I don't like the impact he has on our team. When we play Cosgrove (or Stockley) we revert to lumping long balls and we are god awful to watch, and not very good. Cosgrove impacts our style of play and based on results the quality of performance and success of the team has gone down. Not solely Cosgrove's fault, mainly with the manager and his player signings, selections, and tactics, but this style of play isn't for me and the style of forward isn't for me. I feel we can do better. I wanted Rooney rerplaced by someone better who gave more to our team, that's not Cosgrove.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 17, 2019, 05:11:06 PM
walker was decent at hearts?

Yes he was. But since his preferred move to sevco fell through and he joined Wigan...…...I've honestly no idea what he is like now as he has made 8 appearances for them (17 on loan at Peterborough). But probably worth a punt on loan as I said.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: dons8321 on April 17, 2019, 06:05:06 PM
Can't see why everyone thinks we will be so short of players next season.

Of the team that played on Sunday you would expect we will likely loose McKenna, Lowe and Stewart. 

  Wouldn't be at all surprised if Joe Lewis was away too...think his contract is up next summer and he looked really pissed off on Sunday at the end when he was handing his gloves to a young kid.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 17, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
That utter bellend Mark Guidi (this was the prick who, when sevco were in their first year of existence down in the third division, stated they were "the second best team in Scotland") just said that Stewart to sevco was "a dead cert to happen".

We're fucked then. He will be with us on a 4 year contract before you can say "useless, slow, one footed wage thief"...……...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on April 18, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
  Wouldn't be at all surprised if Joe Lewis was away too...think his contract is up next summer and he looked really pissed off on Sunday at the end when he was handing his gloves to a young kid.

How have you come to the conclusion that means he wants to leave?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 18, 2019, 06:47:41 AM
How have you come to the conclusion that means he wants to leave?

He doesn't, but there is an issue between him and the club at the moment over him staying/signing a new deal.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 18, 2019, 08:51:20 AM
I see it two ways. Your points are valid and while he has scored 20 goals, facts are facts. Plus he's been pants for a fair part of the season, what if he were on form all season??? However, I don't like the impact he has on our team. When we play Cosgrove (or Stockley) we revert to lumping long balls and we are god awful to watch, and not very good.

Aye, that's fair comment LA.  For me, that's also got a lot to do with the inconsistency of selection and performance of our wide players since Hayes left.  Hayes and McGinn played every week and for the most part, played very well.  Since GMS came in he has had spells out through injury (and swimming) and only recently has McGinn started to play to a decent standard again since he returned to the club.  Add in McLennan, who is always going to be hit and miss at his age and it has been hard going to get decent performances in the wide areas and that has had big impact on the style of play.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 18, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
He doesn't, but there is an issue between him and the club at the moment over him staying/signing a new deal.

You know this for certain?

As far as I'm aware, he (and probably more importantly, his family) absolutely love the lifestyle in the city. What we should be doing is immediately taking the Shinnie deal off the table and offering it to Lewis. I'm certain if we wait he will get better paid offers from the English Championship so we need to ask the question now. If he rejects it then fair enough, we move on and start the process of sourcing his eventual successor but if he signs it then we get him tied up pretty much for the best years of his career.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: dons8321 on April 18, 2019, 10:05:05 AM
How have you come to the conclusion that means he wants to leave?

I didn't say he wants to leave, I said I wouldn't be surprised if he left in the summer.  His contract is up in a year, he a very good keeper which will have been noted at other Clubs and I shouldn't imagine that the Club would want him to leave for free next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 18, 2019, 10:27:41 AM
A quick look at available players this summer, after their contract expires at their current clubs, and there are a few players that I believe could do a job for us no problem. 

LB - Jake Bidwell ( Over 250 Appearances in the English Championship, 6ft, currently plays for QPR & is free in the Summer )

CDM - Josh McEachran ( Played a few senior games at Chelsea before being loaned out numerous times, also capped and scored at England Under 21 level. Currently playing for Brentford but again, contract expires at the end of the season, could be a replacement for Kenny McLean? )

Winger - Kazenga LuaLua - ( Senior appearances for both Newcastle United & Brighton, has good pace but perhaps lacks the finish to match, but clearly had or still has, something about him, currently at Luton Town and out of contract in the Summer )

Striker - Conor Washington ( Northern Irish Striker, 129 Goals in 337 Games throughout his career so far, NI International, currently plays for Sheffield United and out of contract in the Summer, only 26 years old, possibly mates with Niall McGinn through the National team set up which could work in our favour )

These are just players that are free to speak to other clubs, we haven't been linked with them or anything like that & obviously I have no idea about what McInnes has already done or is currently doing behind the scenes, but in my opinion, these are players that we could attract and could afford within our wage budget that could maybe improve us.

We can't afford to go into next season with the likes of Considine as our main LB and Ball as a main CDM or just Cosgrove & May as our Strikers. The manager isn't stupid enough to do so, so I would hope we are making moves behind the scenes.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 18, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
You know this for certain?

Yup, he doesn't want to leave, but the club are being a bit dickish with him at the moment so a bit of a stand off.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on April 18, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
I didn't say he wants to leave, I said I wouldn't be surprised if he left in the summer.  His contract is up in a year, he a very good keeper which will have been noted at other Clubs and I shouldn't imagine that the Club would want him to leave for free next season.

Yeh, but you equated it to him looking "pissed off when handing his gloves to a fan" on Sunday, suggesting that was some tell-tale sign.

I tend to think he was pissed off at losing a semi-final more than anything.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on April 21, 2019, 10:18:58 AM
Maybe giving Joe the captaincy next season would make him more likely to sign. I cant think that anyone else deserves it more.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 21, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
Never liked having a 'keeper as captain but I do hope he gets the money that was earmarked for Shinnie to get him to extend his contract. Captaincy should go to

1) McKenna if he says he will stay at least the full season
or
2) Devlin if McKenna is offski/there really are no long term fitness doubts (hmmmmmm??)
or
3) Logan as a default if options 1 and 2 are unviable for the reasons stated (and assuming we don't sign a Logan upgrade in the close season)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on April 21, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
I would give the captaincy to Considine.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 21, 2019, 07:21:22 PM
I would give the captaincy to Considine.



Noooooooooooo! I’m hoping he’s not renewed. Die hard don but if we have any ambition he’s off in the summer too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on April 21, 2019, 08:04:17 PM


Noooooooooooo! I’m hoping he’s not renewed. Die hard don but if we have any ambition he’s off in the summer too.

Eh?

Who for the money we have are we signing to replace him?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on April 21, 2019, 08:14:51 PM
I would give the captaincy to Considine.


So would i, every day of the week, great servant.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on April 21, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
 Personally no,I think he prefers to be out of the limelight.Think his left back days are over though,or should be,but a very able defensive stand in for presumably modest money.Keep
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 21, 2019, 10:37:46 PM
Eh?

Who for the money we have are we signing to replace him?

Considine is 32 and getting slower by the day. At fault for a fair number of goals at left back and central defense and spends most games these days sticking touch tight and fouling the opponents center forward because any space given Andy can’t keep up. I don’t get the fans love affair, die hard don and love the club but he’s not good enough.  Thanks for all you’ve done but more of a liability than asset these days. Promote and invest in youth. McKenna was very average at Ayr United and look what happened to him, let’s try the next young loon.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on April 22, 2019, 09:38:22 AM
Eh?

Who for the money we have are we signing to replace him?

Nae this pish again. Since when do you need to be a professional scout with 20 years experience to be able to state your opinion about a player (or a manager) not being good enough? It's nae up to us to source replacements and have them ready.

For the record I like Considine. Although he should not be a 1st 11 player at our club anymore. Id be happy to have him on the bench next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on April 22, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
I would keep Considine around the place, but when everyone is fit I see him as more of a back-up. If we can get Hoban & Shaugnessy signed, and a new left back, then wouldn't see him starting much. Would be depressing if he reverts to left-back again.

Wouldn't make McKenna captain - has generally struggled when given the armband. Is still a young player himself in need of guidance.

The real worry is without Shinnie there's a lack of leaders in that team. Lewis wouldn't be the worst shout as captain.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 22, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
Considine has, year after year, gradually improved his game and adapted to be more athletic to suit the LB role. He has been trusted by numerous managers now and fought hard to stay in the team. His attitude and willingness to get better can never be questioned, and this season he's had some stellar performances at CB, but he's also had some shocking ones too. He has also got away with some odd fouls, echoing what LA Don mentioned. 

Said it on several threads now, we can't afford to go into the new season with Considine as our main LB, but I'd be more than happy if he was kept as a back up, experienced Centre Back. I would definitely dismiss the Captaincy talk, he's not a loud guy, he's always been quite reserved on the pitch and I don't believe he has any leadership qualities.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on April 26, 2019, 05:55:44 PM
New 2 year deal announced for Considine.

https://www.facebook.com/263523567481/posts/10157090799617482?sfns=mo
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on April 26, 2019, 06:33:54 PM
New 2 year deal announced for Considine.

https://www.facebook.com/263523567481/posts/10157090799617482?sfns=mo

Good news. Solid player who can do a job more often than not. Unlikely to be anyone’s first choice, even at centre half, but can’t be faulted for effort and commitment to the club so a more than decent squad player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 26, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
Good news. Solid player who can do a job more often than not. Unlikely to be anyone’s first choice, even at centre half, but can’t be faulted for effort and commitment to the club so a more than decent squad player.

Sorry, disagree. The love affair with Considine is clouding judgement. 32 and getting slower and gets a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option? Geez. At fault regularly for goals, what will a 33-35 year old Andy look like, running in quick sand? I have to believe there is someone better out there for similar money with an upside/potential,and if he's a so called squad player get someone younger to do the back up job.

This is a lazy signing. What next, Bruce Anderson and Scott Wright being 'new signings.' We're in this mess, the biggest rebuild yet, because DM has failed in the market to adequately replace the better players when they left.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 26, 2019, 10:33:11 PM
Yet he's keeping Devlin out the side right now (on merit) and as we all know Devlin got a Scotland call up earlier in the season.

2 years is fine. Next season he will revert to being a squad player....he won't play left back again unless in dire emergency. He was never quick anyway but his experience means he can read situations and will be absolutely solid enough when required against your St Johnstone's etc.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 27, 2019, 12:15:11 AM
Happy enough for him to be a squad player and whilst I get where you're coming from LA, we have so much work to do this summer that having a known entity (as back up) is a good option to have.  Certainly no love affair from me, but he's deserving of a new deal.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 27, 2019, 12:22:05 PM
I have no issue with Considine staying and what appears to be seeing out his career with us. He is dependable for the most part and hardly ever lets you down, yes he makes errors, but is dependable enough for us in the majority of our games, but please don't play him at left back.

You let him go and who do we replace him with? He is a far better player than either Ash Taylor or Anthony O'Connor were for us, so I'd rather have one of our own in the squad than another English lower league donkey.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on April 28, 2019, 09:38:15 AM
I agree that considine can do a job at center back if needed. Preferably as a back up but like others have said with the difficulty in recruiting players of the quality we would like i think its always good to have a known quantity.

On another note has anyone heard any updates on the training facilities? Are they going to be ready for the new season? Ive not heard anything recently and ive never known a construction project that was in on time.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tzetanov on April 28, 2019, 11:12:10 AM
Probably the most important transfer window in DMs time here.  I would like to think targets have been identified and offers have been made to a few players.  Maybe DM is holding off a bit to see if there is any additional budget from potential sale if Fraser and McKenna.  Quite possible that we get a few quid from McLean getting promoted yesterday.
A few hearts fans saying we have spoke to Djoum.. I believe we have also offered Cadden at Motherwell but he is hoping to move south.   As for the training ground , it won’t be ready for preseason.  Late September at best it will be completed. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 28, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Greg Stewart has apparently agreed to join Rangers on a 3-year contract, don't think anyone will be surprised to hear that. Disappointed it never worked out for him here, everyone can draw their own conclusions as to why that is, be it that he's not actually that good or McInnes didn't get the best from him.

Joe Shaughnessy was left left out of St Johnstone's squad yesterday as Tommy Wright has confirmed he's rejected a new contract, I wonder if he's coming back here? Might have other offers on the table so we'll see how that one pans out.

And another name now being mentioned is Arnoud Djoum, Hearts fans on Social Media seem to know something we don't and are convinced he's coming here. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 28, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
Shaughnessy I don't think is happening....reckons he can get better money down south. Probably correct notwithstanding that it will be at an EFL1 club at best.

Delighted that Stewart is joining sevco, for 10k/week if reports are true. They'll find out just how shite he is fairly sharpish and I'll predict that he will hardly ever get selected after his first 6 months there. Eventually sevco will punt him on loan (probably to Killie, sevco covering around 80% of his wages) as, just like his time with Birmingham, they won't be able to give him away on a free transfer as he will be on such a ridiculously high wage for a an utter dud.

Djoum…..yeah Jambo's seem certain he's on his way here. Guessing he's the Shinnie replacement. Decent enough player but assuming Ball also signs on that's going to leave us with 4 defensive midfielders ( Campbell and Gleeson being the other 2) vying for 2 starting places at best. Don't want to see Campbell's game time severely restricted.....I don't think he's quite ready to be a first choice for at least the first half of next season but absolutely should be by next summer and possibly a wee bit earlier.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 28, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
Probably the most important transfer window in DMs time here.  I would like to think targets have been identified and offers have been made to a few players.  Maybe DM is holding off a bit to see if there is any additional budget from potential sale if Fraser and McKenna.  Quite possible that we get a few quid from McLean getting promoted yesterday.
A few hearts fans saying we have spoke to Djoum.. I believe we have also offered Cadden at Motherwell but he is hoping to move south.   As for the training ground , it won’t be ready for preseason.  Late September at best it will be completed.

Welcome aboard  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 29, 2019, 07:15:11 AM
I think the onus has to be on bringing in quality this summer and forget about quantity. We are lacking quality in almost every area of the park, but finding the said quality required is going to be bloody difficult.

I actually think we will have to rely more on our own kids from now on than trying to bring in established names who can improve us, which will be nigh on impossible given our budget constraints.

I think one of the best things we could do this summer is get Lewis signed up on a new deal as I hate to think how bad we would have been this season if it wasn't for him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 29, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
I think the onus has to be on bringing in quality this summer and forget about quantity. We are lacking quality in almost every area of the park, but finding the said quality required is going to be bloody difficult.

I actually think we will have to rely more on our own kids from now on than trying to bring in established names who can improve us, which will be nigh on impossible given our budget constraints.

I think one of the best things we could do this summer is get Lewis signed up on a new deal as I hate to think how bad we would have been this season if it wasn't for him.

The problem is, is that is what we tried to do last summer. We got a few key signings in as first teamers. We then spent the end of the window adding Lowe, Hobban, Wilson, Ball to make up for the fact that our initial signings were pap. We've ended up with a lightweight squad which wouldn't have been the case. We'd have been completely fine if Forrester, Gleeson and Wilson hadn't been shite. We've ended up with a squad with a host of extras who all need game time at some stage to keep them happy, but if Gleeson and Forrester had been up to it then Ball wouldn't have been signed. If we'd got Lowe in earlier, then Hobban wouldn't have been signed. If May and Cosgrove hadn't been average then Wilson wouldn't have been signed.

The problem that we have is that we're looking for so many first teamers we'll inevitably get a good few dross purchases at the same time - it's the nature of the business unfortunately. Given the turnover again, I think we'll struggle to retain a light squad without being completely ruthless.

For example, I'd happily have Cosgrove, Anderson and another striker up front but we'd have to ditch May. In the front 3 McLennan, Wright, McGinn and GMS replacement might again be enough. I'd happily have Ferguson, Shinnie replacement (Djoum), Campbell, New Signing in midfield but that would mean getting rid of both Gleeson and Ball. In defence we've only really got Harrington as cover for right back coming through, so Lowe (or Lowe replacement), plus Considine, McKenna, Devlin and Logan would seem exceptionally light so I'd get a Hobban type signing too.

That is a minimum of 6 signings right there. Are you realistic about our ability to make 6 accurate signings in the summer window? I would think that we'd have to make ten signings in order to get 6 good ones (by good, I mean two midfielders that are better than Ball for example). That's going to leave us with an additional 4 players who we'll have on the bench fighting for time with the youngsters. Even that would/should be deemed a succesful window with a 60% success rate on signings.

It certainly highlights the stupidity of those suggesting we get rid of Considine.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 29, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
tbf consi has been pretty solid at cb with devlins drop in form he has been required, is sam roscoe any use ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 29, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
tbf consi has been pretty solid at cb with devlins drop in form he has been required, is sam roscoe any use ?

I haven't heard how is Alloa stint is going. He missed a chunk of their games in the last month or two. Hopefully it was injury, rather than ability, related. Played every game up until March. Happy to have him as back up like if he's good enough.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 29, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
There's no doubt that this is his biggest test, signing wise, so far, and whilst the likes of Hearts & Motherwell are preparing for next season having added a few pre-contracts, there's nothing to suggest that we haven't tried to either. We lost out on Jordan Jones this time last year I believe, McInnes has openly admitted that now, we lost out on some Barcelona " B " Striker a year or two ago as well, McInnes having also admitted that, Jason Scotland another one and I am pretty sure there will be more.

The likes of Djoum & Shaughnessy are steady SPFL players, nothing more, nothing less, they at least know the league, know the " expectation " and they are within our wage budget. But even if they did sign, we're still a fair chunk of players missing to piece together that jigsaw.

We absolutely must sign a permanent Left Back, in the mould of Lowe, as well as a creative midfielder ( a Maddison or a McLean ) within our means of course, because that position has affected us a lot this season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on April 29, 2019, 05:37:52 PM
I haven't heard how is Alloa stint is going. He missed a chunk of their games in the last month or two. Hopefully it was injury, rather than ability, related. Played every game up until March. Happy to have him as back up like if he's good enough.

Sure I saw something about him having a hamstring injury recently.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 29, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
There's no doubt that this is his biggest test, signing wise, so far, and whilst the likes of Hearts & Motherwell are preparing for next season having added a few pre-contracts, there's nothing to suggest that we haven't tried to either. We lost out on Jordan Jones this time last year I believe, McInnes has openly admitted that now, we lost out on some Barcelona " B " Striker a year or two ago as well, McInnes having also admitted that, Jason Scotland another one and I am pretty sure there will be more.

The likes of Djoum & Shaughnessy are steady SPFL players, nothing more, nothing less, they at least know the league, know the " expectation " and they are within our wage budget. But even if they did sign, we're still a fair chunk of players missing to piece together that jigsaw.

We absolutely must sign a permanent Left Back, in the mould of Lowe, as well as a creative midfielder ( a Maddison or a McLean ) within our means of course, because that position has affected us a lot this season.

Your last point just underlines how difficult it is to get quality in at virtually no cost KP.  Maddison went for £20m just a few months back and McLean would likely be worth a couple of million in todays market. DM is almost a victim of his own success with these players in that the fans will expect replacements of the same quality when we are shopping in the free/loan market. A hard job by anyone's standards. We do certainly need some creativity and goals from the middle of the park next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on April 29, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
Badly in need of midfielders  2 or mabye even 3, dont think Campbell is quite ready yet for a start ( but he will) Hoping & praying we somehow manage to get Lowe on loan again , & also hoping Hoban returns to fitness & to us.
    Width badly needed in team , especially if G.M.S goes, which looks likely, McLennan is very hot & cold just now, nobody should be a stick on starter every week, regardless of form.
New striker required.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 30, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
The problem is, is that is what we tried to do last summer. We got a few key signings in as first teamers. We then spent the end of the window adding Lowe, Hobban, Wilson, Ball to make up for the fact that our initial signings were pap. We've ended up with a lightweight squad which wouldn't have been the case. We'd have been completely fine if Forrester, Gleeson and Wilson hadn't been shite. We've ended up with a squad with a host of extras who all need game time at some stage to keep them happy, but if Gleeson and Forrester had been up to it then Ball wouldn't have been signed. If we'd got Lowe in earlier, then Hobban wouldn't have been signed. If May and Cosgrove hadn't been average then Wilson wouldn't have been signed.

The problem that we have is that we're looking for so many first teamers we'll inevitably get a good few dross purchases at the same time - it's the nature of the business unfortunately. Given the turnover again, I think we'll struggle to retain a light squad without being completely ruthless.

For example, I'd happily have Cosgrove, Anderson and another striker up front but we'd have to ditch May. In the front 3 McLennan, Wright, McGinn and GMS replacement might again be enough. I'd happily have Ferguson, Shinnie replacement (Djoum), Campbell, New Signing in midfield but that would mean getting rid of both Gleeson and Ball. In defence we've only really got Harrington as cover for right back coming through, so Lowe (or Lowe replacement), plus Considine, McKenna, Devlin and Logan would seem exceptionally light so I'd get a Hobban type signing too.

That is a minimum of 6 signings right there. Are you realistic about our ability to make 6 accurate signings in the summer window? I would think that we'd have to make ten signings in order to get 6 good ones (by good, I mean two midfielders that are better than Ball for example). That's going to leave us with an additional 4 players who we'll have on the bench fighting for time with the youngsters. Even that would/should be deemed a succesful window with a 60% success rate on signings.

It certainly highlights the stupidity of those suggesting we get rid of Considine.

Like my post says I am looking to see us bring in quality, so we should try and bring in a couple of players who will improve us and make a difference to the team and ensuring we have done proper checks on the players and their characters. If we could make 2-3 quality signings then we worry about the other shyte we sign to make up the numbers which will happen, but we do need to bring in some sort of quality to the team, a midfielder is a must, but easier said than done, especially with our last few windows not being the best and our budget constraints.

I'm happy we are keeping Considine, as he is reliable for the most part and I think most other clubs would be happy to have him in their squad. Also hoping to see the continuing progress of our own youngsters coming through as that is the future for us.

It should be an interesting summer though.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 30, 2019, 07:52:42 AM
I don't think 2-3 high quality signings will be enough. We need 2-3 midfielders alone.  Whilst youth is great, we've seen how hot and cold they can be, especially this season.  Obviously the only way to develop them is play them, but we need good experience to guide them and pick up the times when they're not performing.

Jambo's certainly seem to be mixed about his presumed departure. Some saying he's not been the player he was, others annoyed he's potentially going to us.  Guessing it's somewhere in between, but he looks decent enough.

Milne needs to back DM, but I really don't know if I trust him.  We really need to get players that can find a style of play again, fuck knows what it is now. It's been woeful football for a good year or two now.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 30, 2019, 12:06:53 PM
I don't think 2-3 high quality signings will be enough. We need 2-3 midfielders alone.  Whilst youth is great, we've seen how hot and cold they can be, especially this season.  Obviously the only way to develop them is play them, but we need good experience to guide them and pick up the times when they're not performing.

Jambo's certainly seem to be mixed about his presumed departure. Some saying he's not been the player he was, others annoyed he's potentially going to us.  Guessing it's somewhere in between, but he looks decent enough.

Milne needs to back DM, but I really don't know if I trust him.  We really need to get players that can find a style of play again, fuck knows what it is now. It's been woeful football for a good year or two now.

We do need more than 2 or 3 quality signings, but realistically we are not going to get the numbers in that we require quality wise, so be prepared for more dross to sign to make up the numbers. The kids may blow hot and cold but I'd rather see a young lad get a chance than another journeyman from England in making up the numbers.  At the moment we are playing catch up with our squad due to poor signings in the previous windows. It doesn't matter who the manager is, any manager would struggle to find the quality we require with the budget we have.

For me we are a little stale and we need something to keep the momentum of the previous few seasons going, whether that will be a new manager or not I have no idea, but another season like this one is not an exiting prospect.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 30, 2019, 02:24:12 PM
We do need more than 2 or 3 quality signings, but realistically we are not going to get the numbers in that we require quality wise, so be prepared for more dross to sign to make up the numbers. The kids may blow hot and cold but I'd rather see a young lad get a chance than another journeyman from England in making up the numbers.  At the moment we are playing catch up with our squad due to poor signings in the previous windows. It doesn't matter who the manager is, any manager would struggle to find the quality we require with the budget we have.

For me we are a little stale and we need something to keep the momentum of the previous few seasons going, whether that will be a new manager or not I have no idea, but another season like this one is not an exiting prospect.

The problem is that the dross is not the "making up the numbers" element of our squad. The dross are the guys that were bought in to be the first team (the high quality signings). Ball, Considine and Cosgrove should have been our dross this season, but they are first team regulars, each with over 30 games this season.

We simply cannot say "we need 2-3 high quality signings" because the return on player signings in this league is/should be about 50%. In reality, we need 5-6 high quality signings in the hope that 2-3 make it.

We could significantly reduce our risk by signing Max Lowe for example. Signing Djoum is low risk (although I think he's worse than Shinnie, but still pretty decent) but you'd still want another midfielder beyond him. Cadden would be an excellent signing. Stealing McNulty from Hibs would be an excellent piece of business too. The point being that your high quality signings are players that we will already know about. That then comes with a wage bill by paying Djoum more than Hertz, or an even bigger wage bill by getting Cadden or McNulty before a wealthier English club comes in. Are there any other players you can think of in that bracket? If it's not this type of low risk tried and tested player then we're back to a 50% strike rate and the dross building up. As you say, we're way behind after 2 poor summer windows in a row, so we're roughly where we were when McInnes started, which I don't suppose is unusual in fitba. I'd be inclined just to ditch May, Gleeson and Ball in the summer and really just go full scale re-build.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 02, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
The problem is that the dross is not the "making up the numbers" element of our squad. The dross are the guys that were bought in to be the first team (the high quality signings). Ball, Considine and Cosgrove should have been our dross this season, but they are first team regulars, each with over 30 games this season.

We simply cannot say "we need 2-3 high quality signings" because the return on player signings in this league is/should be about 50%. In reality, we need 5-6 high quality signings in the hope that 2-3 make it.

We could significantly reduce our risk by signing Max Lowe for example. Signing Djoum is low risk (although I think he's worse than Shinnie, but still pretty decent) but you'd still want another midfielder beyond him. Cadden would be an excellent signing. Stealing McNulty from Hibs would be an excellent piece of business too. The point being that your high quality signings are players that we will already know about. That then comes with a wage bill by paying Djoum more than Hertz, or an even bigger wage bill by getting Cadden or McNulty before a wealthier English club comes in. Are there any other players you can think of in that bracket? If it's not this type of low risk tried and tested player then we're back to a 50% strike rate and the dross building up. As you say, we're way behind after 2 poor summer windows in a row, so we're roughly where we were when McInnes started, which I don't suppose is unusual in fitba. I'd be inclined just to ditch May, Gleeson and Ball in the summer and really just go full scale re-build.

Good shout. Heckingbottom plays 2 Strikers, or at least he has done since taking over at Hibs, Kamberi & McNulty, and I have watched them on BT Sport at least 3 times, they play Football, they don't punt it long and they don't panic in possession, they get the ball in to their Strikers from the ground and it looks good on the eye and they have had success from it. No idea if that's a sustainable style but for the moment, they're doing well.

Cosgrove is probably more comfortable when the ball is played to him on the ground, he is constantly fighting a losing battle with the style of Football we're playing at the moment. But McNulty would be a perfect partner for him, based on what I have seen, and I very much agree that it would be an excellent piece of business.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 02, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
McNulty only on loan at Hibs (From Coventry??). Agree if we could get him on board it would be a great bit of business. Doubt they'd be too difficult to deal with and surely we could offer him a better package than Hibs.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 02, 2019, 02:08:20 PM
McNulty only on loan at Hibs (From Coventry??). Agree if we could get him on board it would be a great bit of business. Doubt they'd be too difficult to deal with and surely we could offer him a better package than Hibs.

Is it not Reading? Anyway, I think we're very close to Hibs in average wages all things considered. We could certainly offer a better package, but not a significantly better package. That type of offering can then easily be watered down by preferred location, knowing the club and players and so on. In other words, I don't think we could offer enough of a financial incentive if he's enjoying life in Edinburgh or loves working for Cuntingbottom or whatever.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 02, 2019, 02:42:05 PM
Is it not Reading? Anyway, I think we're very close to Hibs in average wages all things considered. We could certainly offer a better package, but not a significantly better package. That type of offering can then easily be watered down by preferred location, knowing the club and players and so on. In other words, I don't think we could offer enough of a financial incentive if he's enjoying life in Edinburgh or loves working for Cuntingbottom or whatever.

He is an Edinburgh lad so back home which is important to him allegedly. Suspect we would have to seriously beat Hibs wage offer to have any chance of getting him in. Would expect clubs in league 1 in England would still be interested in his services as well.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 02, 2019, 03:43:18 PM
He is an Edinburgh lad so back home which is important to him allegedly. Suspect we would have to seriously beat Hibs wage offer to have any chance of getting him in. Would expect clubs in league 1 in England would still be interested in his services as well.

Interesting. I suspect that there is a lot of that type of thinking in the game. We probably underestimate the additional cost required to persuade a player to come all this way up North. Whilst we have a 10% bigger average salary than the Hibees, I suspect that can be quickly eaten up by the extra bribery required to make the move. It's not like the cost of living is particularly cheap up here either.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 05, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Alan Nixon on Twitter, if you know him on Social Media, you'll know he's normally bang on the money, he's a Journalist, albeit for The Sun, but he's still normally spot on.

ABERDEEN. Looking into a return for Josh Magennis. Could be snatched from BOLTON.

By all accounts, Magennis was a bit raw when he left us, but I think he's been relatively okay in the Championship & League 1 in England since. But again, for me, slams of a sheer lack of imagination, given there is a potential return for Shaughnessy as well. Not for one second suggesting they're not good enough, but they were let go because McInnes didn't fancy them initially, if I remember correctly?

Fits the bill for a McInnes player though, not lazy, can play in a few positions and must be within our budget.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 05, 2019, 05:11:08 PM
Was discussed on the Hat around lunchtime......general consensus is that Nixon isn't as "ITK" as he would have you believe and he's taking a flyer on this one, using known facts to build a basis for his story.

Yes Magennis has just been relegated at Bolton and they are very very likely to try and offload him for free in the summer. And of course his wife is a local quine. And yes big pals with McGinn.

However the move would only make sense IF we were offloading Cosgrove. We certainly don't need 2 battering ram centre forwards. However.....I certainly wouldn't be averse to it happening if indeed Cosgrove were to be sold. I don't think we'd let him go for any less than £750k given his goals and length of contract. So even though Magennis would command a higher wage, we would still make a handsome profit on the deal and bag ourselves a current NI internationalist with over 40 caps to his name. At 29, we'd get a good 3 years out him barring a bad injury.....Cosgrove still is only raw talent. He might flourish but equally if he got a move to the Championship he could well be out his depth and end up in EFL2 or lower within 18 months.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 05, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
magennis ? dm will probably play him full back
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 08, 2019, 04:55:43 AM
I see Lewis Macleod has been released by Brentford, seems right up McInnes’ street I would think, especially with his level of injury proneness.

The Sun are linking us with Pavel Safranko from Dundee Utd.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 08, 2019, 09:41:34 AM
Safranko's parent club apparently want £100k to release him. Have only seen a few brief glimpses of the loon in action. Looked ok but never got me thinking that he would in any way become a target for us.

Macleod is an interesting one. Was considered the "next big thing" whilst at sevco and I was amazed to then see him sign for a club in the lower reaches of the championship. Pretty much instantly copped a serious knee injury...…...so ticking all the DM boxes there.....and out for over a year IIRC and has struggled to get much game time ever since. We certainly need a creative midfielder and he would seem to fit the bill but he's really not developed over the past 4 years. Doubtful he will have many options, so wouldn't be averse to offering him a 12 month contract to see how he does on a low basic wage, with built in bonus for each game he plays.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 08, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
agree re mcleod have no view on safranko .. shankland has a better scoring record .. not saying we should sign gim... rimmer has left coventry could be rb , may as well get old team back magennis , shaugnessy, rimmer...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on May 08, 2019, 11:08:34 AM
I see Lewis Macleod has been released by Brentford, seems right up McInnes’ street I would think, especially with his level of injury proneness.

The Sun are linking us with Pavel Safranko from Dundee Utd.

There was some chat back in January that we should be/were looking at Safranco.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 08, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
paul coutts been released, could be gleeson mk 2 mind you
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 10, 2019, 08:41:02 AM
P & J claiming we have opened talks with Curtis Main. One that has been mentioned previously, can understand why McInnes is keen but personally see him as another Stevie May type, plenty of effort and endeavour but 6 goals this season and 48 career goals in 284 career games.

If he comes, maybe he'll play just off Cosgrove and not necessarily directly up front? He does look a handful, and he's pretty strong and can fairly shift, also might see the end of May, or at least punting him out on loan as someone suggested on another thread.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 10, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
a lazy underwhelming shit house of  a signing
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 10, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
a lazy underwhelming shit house of  a signing

Can't really disagree with a word of that
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 10, 2019, 09:03:09 AM
And thirded. One half decent game against us does not a potential signing make.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 10, 2019, 09:09:21 AM
just wait till big gash signs
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 10, 2019, 09:22:39 AM
I'd presume we're shifting Cosgrove or may to even think about making this pathetic signing.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 10, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
And now a very prominent supporter who has inside info when it comes to signings, many of you will know who I am talking about, has just said we're close to announcing a Centre Back that " won't be popular "

Kirk Broadfoot, welcome aboard min  :rofl:

Seriously though, I have no idea who said person could be referring too, but if they are correct, then I am most definitely intrigued.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 10, 2019, 10:11:34 AM
Danny Wilson 8/11 with Ladbrokes  ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 10, 2019, 10:52:26 AM
Loved Mary's Prayer
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 10, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
Curtis Main 3 goals in 30 league games. No thanks.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 10, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
And now a very prominent supporter who has inside info when it comes to signings, many of you will know who I am talking about, has just said we're close to announcing a Centre Back that " won't be popular "

Kirk Broadfoot, welcome aboard min  :rofl:

Seriously though, I have no idea who said person could be referring too, but if they are correct, then I am most definitely intrigued.

Ash Taylor has been freed by Northampton....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 10, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
just wait till big gash signs

Oh dear, hoped this might be shite when told this  ::)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 10, 2019, 12:33:21 PM
Reading this thread and the names being mentioned as possible signings is hardly helping my mood prior to tonight's game. With that type of names being added to our squad I feel I may regret buying my season ticket so early for next year.

Hopefully it is all just shyte though.

Curtis Main  :-[
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on May 10, 2019, 04:05:53 PM
Loved Mary's Prayer



  'Hat's off ......






  ......loved Neil Sedaka
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CtS on May 10, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
I’m holding off renewing my season ticket until Ash Taylor and Curtis Main are confirmed.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 10, 2019, 04:23:22 PM
It's a very clever move from McInnes. It's going to be difficult and expensive to replace Shinnie in the heart of midfield, so let's just bypass midfield altogether. Big lumps at the back hoofing it to big lumps up front. Get in that big lump Djoum from Hearts in case the ball hits a seagull and drops in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 10, 2019, 05:36:51 PM
So it could be Ash Taylor then...... :eek:

That is mental, not forgetting his reasoning for wanting to leave, something along the lines of " Fed up finishing runner up " if I mind correctly.

You have to admit, even the most ardent Stevie May fanatics and McInnes worshippers, today has been a poor day all round concerning alleged transfer targets, because we need to remember McInnes usually likes a spanner in the works before announcing someone completely different that hadn't been mentioned, I am taking it as speculation until I see confirmation otherwise. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 10, 2019, 06:10:05 PM
You'd think that if we were cashing in on McKenna in the summer (before his price drops any lower) then McInnes would be targeting a left sided central defender (surely to God he isn't intending making Consi his first choice???)

Yet so far we are linked with Shaughnessy/Ryan Edwards/Big Gash.....all right sided ones. Now I do realise our greatest ever team featured two "righties" in the heart of it's defence, however times have moved on and most teams go for a right footer/left footer combination whenever possible. I keep coming back to this point....Devlin? Is he goosed?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on May 12, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
Surely we should be looking at Yaya Toure to replace Graeme Shinnie!!!!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 12, 2019, 08:18:50 PM
A Winger has been allegedly added to the " Already signed a pre-contract, but will be announced after the Hibs Game " list. This is in addition to a CB that has already signed a pre-contract, that will also be announced after the Hibs game.

First of all, I have no idea why we need to wait until after the Hibs game, is it maybe because they are from teams in our league? The general consensus is that the CB is Shaughnessy & the winger could possibly be Chris Cadden. Although I have also seen that it could be Brandon Barker or Sam Nicholson.

In any case, this source is excellent, many of you will probably know who it is, very prominent supporter who has been right every time they have mentioned a name, but in the interest of privacy, they don't want to be outed on here, so it's only fair that I don't mention them. We will have to wait and see, but if they are right, it'll be mentioned shortly after Hibs, so it's not too long a wait to be fair.

P.S, they also confirmed that " As far as they're aware, we have indeed spoken to Ash Taylor, but nothing has been signed etc... "
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 12, 2019, 09:23:24 PM
Nicholson was the winger I heard. But I won't go all in with that one just yet till I hear it from a far more reliable source.

Centre half I have no info on.

Could it possibly be they intend showing off the new signings wearing next season's strip as a launch?

By the same token, why the hell haven't sevco announced Stewart on this pre-contract that the west coast meedja assured us was happening? oh hang on, maybe they thought if they did so we would automatically stop selecting him till he left? And improved our performances/results by doing so......
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 13, 2019, 09:35:55 AM
Might be in the minority here but I would be quite happy to see big Ash back.  We could do (and have done many times) much worse than him.  Yes, he had the odd ricket but you could say the same about any centre half and he was also very useful in the opposing penalty box.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 13, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
Jamie Ness released by Plymouth

Fits McInnes transfer strategy
Previously linked with us and suffered at least one major injury in career  ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 13, 2019, 12:17:01 PM
I believe Northampton are looking for a 6 figure fee for Ash and I don't think we should be paying anything like that for his return.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 13, 2019, 03:11:39 PM
I assume the 6 figures are £1000.00? That's still too much.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 13, 2019, 06:11:08 PM
Cerny signs on for another year.

Decent back up if/when called upon

Time to move on Rogers  :wave: :wave: :wave:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on May 13, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
Cadden & Nicholson would both do a job for us i think, presuming GMS is offski.  Would be huge if we could get Lowe back on loan, or even better... nah! wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on May 13, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
If it was scottish cup final taylor i could live with him coming back but it wont be so its a no from me.  Jamie ness is a pretty solid centre mid as I recall though don't know what he has done recently. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 17, 2019, 08:21:40 PM
Contract discussions held with both Curtis Main & James Wilson apparently.

Fun time of the season this, isn't it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 19, 2019, 10:22:41 AM
main and wilson that dynamic goal scoring duo.....mind you mcpep will probably play them as wingers
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 21, 2019, 08:01:01 AM
I see Liverpool are now being linked with Ryan Fraser. It looks like we could get a good wedge if a bidding war starts. Hopefully we reinvest a decent chunk of it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 08:19:25 AM
I see Liverpool are now being linked with Ryan Fraser. It looks like we could get a good wedge if a bidding war starts. Hopefully we reinvest a decent chunk of it.

At the prices rumoured, we stand to gain something between £4-6million. At best DM will get a million of it with the rest going straight into the Kingsford pot. And rightly so.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 21, 2019, 11:07:07 AM
see hibs have let a few players gael birmithingmy any good?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 21, 2019, 11:26:05 AM
see hibs have let a few players gael birmithingmy any good?

I used to think he looked quite solid (if a little bit of a headless chicken), but Motherwell weren't affected by his departure and 60 minutes for Hibs since January suggests he might be pish.

Was Gauld injured or just pap? Also, Omeonga would be a good loanee and McNulty would be an (unlikely) excellent steal.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 21, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
Gauld was injured most of the time. Going by some hibs fans comments they were saying he needed to get back up to the pace and physicality of the game here. They did say he looked to have great vision and was technically very good.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 03:25:56 PM
Gauld was injured  towards the end but was totally root in the games he played when first joining up. The boy Omyeonga(sp) looked a million times better in the games he played. Don't think we should be going there.


Agree McNulty would be a fantastic acquisition and probably fairly cheap but I guess Hibs would be favourites.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on May 21, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
Surely Australia's captain Mark Milligan who also left Hibernian might be worth looking into??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on May 21, 2019, 04:03:21 PM
McNulty scored 7 goals in his first 10 Hibs game and 1 in his next 8. He could be a useful addition but I wouldn't be bending over backwards to get him based on those numbers.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 21, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
Chris Harvey tweeting that Big Ash is currently at Pittodrie
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 21, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
game over if so
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 21, 2019, 05:44:08 PM
Chris Harvey tweeting that Big Ash is currently at Pittodrie

I assume there's a vacancy in the club shop.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 06:50:58 PM
I'm starting to assume Devlin is fucked.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 21, 2019, 07:19:46 PM
I'm starting to assume Devlin is fucked.....

I sincerely hope not.
I was delighted when we signed him and had such high hopes for him.
I really wanted Devlin to be a success
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: hebrew on May 21, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
I sincerely hope not.
I was delighted when we signed him and had such high hopes for him.
I really wanted Devlin to be a success
I

Me too Al - fucked if I'm going to watch dons with Ash Taylor in defence!!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 21, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
When Devlin came on against Hearts, he looked mobile enough and wasn't holding back from getting stuck in. It would be hard to see how he could be sufficiently fucked to warrant signing Ash Taylor, even if it is just based on those 20 minutes.