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Title: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 20, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
Milne paid McInnes over THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION last season.

Is he worth it?

Look at our annual turnover. Do the maths. Consider WHY the chairman values him?

Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Jute on October 20, 2018, 10:58:25 PM
Milne paid McInnes over THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION last season.

Is he worth it?

Look at our annual turnover. Do the maths. Consider WHY the chairman values him?

Is that in the accounts Rocket?

Stunned that we would be paying a manager that sort of money.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: manc_don on October 21, 2018, 02:08:44 AM
I thought that was all heresay.  If we stumped up that amount of cash for a manager that has in fact delivered very little in terms of results, i'd be amazed.  It would be sheer lunacy and I can't see Milne paying that sort of money.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 21, 2018, 08:11:21 AM
I thought that was all heresay.

I don't do hearsay and rumour. The truth will out.

If we stumped up that amount of cash for a manager that has in fact delivered very little in terms of results, i'd be amazed.

It is indeed amazing.

It would be sheer lunacy...

Agreed.

and I can't see Milne paying that sort of money.

You underestimate the value put upon him by Milne (and Cormack) and you need to consider WHY the board delivered grossly inflated incentives for him to stay, including the timing of it (10.5 months ago).
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Ten Caat on October 21, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
I thought that was all heresay.  If we stumped up that amount of cash for a manager that has in fact delivered very little in terms of results, i'd be amazed.  It would be sheer lunacy and I can't see Milne paying that sort of money.

RS tells the truth.

There's a very good reason McInnes turned down both the sevco and Sunderland jobs and though they were both basket cases at the times he spoke to them, fact is they couldn't (at that point) get close to matching what we are paying him. (Sevco have now had a large cash injection from their mystery donor no doubt partly sparked by their abject horror in having the manager of a "diddy" club turn them down over the package they could offer)

Is DM worth it? One trophy and a raft of second places that have guaranteed European football every season probably says yes in a purely financial sense. But his achievements are tempered by the fact that at one point, Hibs, Hearts and sevco were all in a different division and he has only had sevco in our league for 2 full seasons and Hibs for one. Both of whom, whilst being no world beaters, look to have got their shit in order as do Hearts who have been dreadful in the 3 full seasons he has had to face them. We, meanwhile seem to be on a downward trend....a fairly steep one at that. And whilst usually playing turgid football that would cure the severest of insomniacs.

I've always said that Milne will allow McInnes one dodgy season where his job will be safe unless we found ourselves in relegation difficulties mid season. St Boo, Dundee and Hamilton are sufficiently garbage to ensure that scenario won't happen and though already a top 4 place looks extremely dubious we should comfortably make 5th or 6th at worst. The fans are already grumbling loudly about change being needed. A horsing at Hampden next week and they will become roars. McInnes knows he won't get fired but would he walk??
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on October 21, 2018, 01:56:51 PM
RS tells the truth.

There's a very good reason McInnes turned down both the sevco and Sunderland jobs and though they were both basket cases at the times he spoke to them, fact is they couldn't (at that point) get close to matching what we are paying him. (Sevco have now had a large cash injection from their mystery donor no doubt partly sparked by their abject horror in having the manager of a "diddy" club turn them down over the package they could offer)

Is DM worth it? One trophy and a raft of second places that have guaranteed European football every season probably says yes in a purely financial sense. But his achievements are tempered by the fact that at one point, Hibs, Hearts and sevco were all in a different division and he has only had sevco in our league for 2 full seasons and Hibs for one. Both of whom, whilst being no world beaters, look to have got their shit in order as do Hearts who have been dreadful in the 3 full seasons he has had to face them. We, meanwhile seem to be on a downward trend....a fairly steep one at that. And whilst usually playing turgid football that would cure the severest of insomniacs.

I've always said that Milne will allow McInnes one dodgy season where his job will be safe unless we found ourselves in relegation difficulties mid season. St Boo, Dundee and Hamilton are sufficiently garbage to ensure that scenario won't happen and though already a top 4 place looks extremely dubious we should comfortably make 5th or 6th at worst. The fans are already grumbling loudly about change being needed. A horsing at Hampden next week and they will become roars. McInnes knows he won't get fired but would he walk??

I have been trying to make this point for several months now, also include Dundee United in this, they were also similar to us before any of the above mentioned teams got relegated/liquidated etc...

We have had a head start if that makes sense, to build a squad capable of withholding Hibs, Hearts and to an extent, Rangers, overtaking us when they inevitably came back in the Premier League, but this season, their squads probably look better on paper and evidently better on the pitch, McInnes knows this, this is the important thing here, just look at how we set up away to Hibs, away to Hearts yesterday and even the first home game of the season against Rangers, for an accomplished 2nd best team in the league, we should be going there confidently, without fear and negativity, ad playing to our strengths, and at home, regardless of opposition, we should be trying to control the game.

How many points have we taken off Rangers & Celtic in comparison to say Kilmarnock, Hibs, hearts as well, not one of those teams go to Ibrox or Parkhead and camp inside their own half, they give as good as they get, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I am fairly certain they all have taken more points off them. Now when they face them at home, again, they will have taken more points off them than we have.

Players will see a manager work on the training pitch all week leading up to a game, they will immediately know how we're going to set up, that in itself must get inside their heads.

 
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 23, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Failing to relocate his family to the North East was an indication that he had no intention of being here long term. This should have been discussed at the interview before the job offer.

Instead, our chairman threw money at him to stay, many years after he had still not committed his future to the club. The last thing Milne needs right now are the fans on his back. He was happy to buy more time and never gave a fuck about the fitba, "the product" as he called it in the mid 90's.

McInnes has taken us for a ride and is set up for life thanks to our charlatan chairman. He will be found out. The truth ALWAYS outs.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on October 24, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
I thought that was all heresay.  If we stumped up that amount of cash for a manager that has in fact delivered very little in terms of results, i'd be amazed.  It would be sheer lunacy and I can't see Milne paying that sort of money.

This thread needs a huge pinch of salt.

No facts. Only an agenda.

I personally couldn’t give a fuck where McInnes lives.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2018, 02:44:05 PM
Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothing comes out when they move their lips
Just a bunch of gibberish and motherfuckers forget that they got in their own way


I'm using an Eminem line in a presentation coming up - not that one - but he's got some genius insights.

The joyless are a sad species. Rather than confront the truth that their own repeated failures in life, in love, in relationships, in business, in employment, career choices etc. were actually as a direct consequence of their own inadequacies and fuck-ups, they adopt the unfortunate victimstance position as something to blame, thereby entrenching denial.

Symptoms to be found in the joyless include a lack of enthusiasm, an inability to see anything positive and a bitter resentment towards others who are not as afflicted as they. The consistency in delivery and behaviour defines the terminal nature of their tragedy.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Orion on October 24, 2018, 03:45:43 PM
McInnes worth it? No! Not even at a fraction of what the clown Milne is paying him.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on October 24, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
Pre McInnes, the 2012 and 2013 accounts showed turnover of £8.3M and £7.9M with operating losses of £1.1M and £1.7M.

The 2016 and 2017 accounts show turnover of £13.4M and £15.3M with operating profits of £448K and £533K.

On money alone, assuming that what his team has done on the pitch has helped towards the financial upturn then, yes, I think he is worth the money.

There are obviously other arguments for and against DM but on pure finances I don't see how you can say he has taken the club for a ride, that is nonsense.   

Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Dunty on October 24, 2018, 05:45:43 PM
I wouldn't believe RS on anything related to McInnes - he has an obvious agenda and I've yet to see any clear facts to back up his claims.

However, even if McInnes is on 750k a year, the prize money from finishing second last year, the cup semi-final last season - not to mention this season's, and money made from the Europa League in summer likely all add up to more than 750k, meaning he has brought in the money to pay for his salary.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
I wouldn't believe RS on anything related to McInnes - he has an obvious agenda and I've yet to see any clear facts to back up his claims.

However, even if McInnes is on 750k a year, the prize money from finishing second last year, the cup semi-final last season - not to mention this season's, and money made from the Europa League in summer likely all add up to more than 750k, meaning he has brought in the money to pay for his salary.

I never said he was on a salary of £750k p.a. I'm telling you that that is how much he got paid in total last year.

How much AFC plc paid him in salary, bonuses and additional payments is a matter of fact, not opinion.

And since when does an opinion, even if vociferously held become an "agenda"?

People who try to discredit dissent have an agenda. That's a matter of fact also.

Please enlighten us to our manager's strengths? And please don't compare him to previous incumbents when doing so.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Dunty on October 24, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
I never said he was on a salary of £750k p.a. I'm telling you that that is how much he got paid in total last year.

How much AFC plc paid him in salary, bonuses and additional payments is a matter of fact, not opinion.

And since when does an opinion, even if vociferously held become an "agenda"?

People who try to discredit dissent have an agenda. That's a matter of fact also.

Please enlighten us to our manager's strengths? And please don't compare him to previous incumbents when doing so.

Where can we find these facts? Where is the proof? Why should we believe you - have you been right about anything else on here?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
Where can we find these facts? Where is the proof? Why should we believe you - have you been right about anything else on here?

It IS a matter of fact, what he got paid last year.

What information do you have to state publicly that I am a liar and pushing an "agenda"?

Have I been right? About what? I thought this was a forum for exchanging views and ideas, opinions and discussions?

Did I dispute something you posted once? Is this the source of your resentment and of YOUR agenda?

I suggest we stick to the process and exchange posts on the basis of specific debates. You're not making sense?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on October 24, 2018, 07:45:59 PM
It IS a matter of fact, what he got paid last year.

Link?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2018, 08:05:29 PM
Link?

Are you disputing that how much he got paid is a matter of fact or are you demanding that I reveal the sources?

You obviously have some serious evidence that he was not paid that much.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: CtS on October 24, 2018, 08:10:47 PM
The inflated amount paid last year was, as rocket suggested, simply to fend off other suitors. Milne maybe thought the potential cost of losing McInnes and effectively ending 5 years of (some sort of) progress, was too big a gamble. Milne might also argue that he’s a self made millionaire and he’s earned the right to pay whoever he wants whatever he sees fit. I won’t pretend to know the truth about this because I don’t.

750k?  I think he’s worth every penny. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2018, 08:21:16 PM
The inflated amount paid last year was, as rocket suggested, simply to fend off other suitors. Milne maybe thought the potential cost of losing McInnes and effectively ending 5 years of (some sort of) progress, was too big a gamble. Milne might also argue that he’s a self made millionaire and he’s earned the right to pay whoever he wants whatever he sees fit. I won’t pretend to know the truth about this because I don’t.

750k?  I think he’s worth every penny. Just my opinion.

An articulate response. Whilst you and I disagree on our current manager's worth, I respect your opinion.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Ten Caat on October 24, 2018, 09:54:35 PM
The figure I was told was £15k/week. Which equates to around £780k per year. Source? A close family member who does reports for the press and has a number of friends on the playing staff.

And as RS says, Milne stumped up to make absolutely certain DM stayed out of the sevconian clutches. ( the figure they were supposedly offering was £12k/week but source says he cannot confirm that one)
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Tyrant on October 25, 2018, 01:47:54 PM
Are you disputing that how much he got paid is a matter of fact or are you demanding that I reveal the sources?

You obviously have some serious evidence that he was not paid that much.

By definition you're making a claim by stating something as fact without providing evidence. I'm not making a counter-claim. I don't disbelieve your claim but I do wonder what the reason is for your reluctance to post your proof?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 25, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
By definition you're making a claim by stating something as fact without providing evidence. I'm not making a counter-claim. I don't disbelieve your claim but I do wonder what the reason is for your reluctance to post your proof?

I said he was paid 3/4 a million and two posters as good as said I was lying.

Now you butt in with a different angle. I never said I was reluctant to reveal my sources but in this debate, two posters have disputed that he was paid that. Manc said he couldn't imagine it but unlike the two, he didn't know. I think it's fair that we deal with the hostility first. At least others have discussed whether or not he's worth it. Two have flatly denied he was paid it. I want to know why they are so sure and why they tried to derail the debate?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on October 25, 2018, 02:30:01 PM
I haven’t flatly denied anything.
All I have done is ask for the source of the fact but as usual you’ve been caught with your pants down.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Tyrant on October 25, 2018, 02:55:34 PM
I said he was paid 3/4 a million and two posters as good as said I was lying.

Now you butt in with a different angle. I never said I was reluctant to reveal my sources but in this debate, two posters have disputed that he was paid that. Manc said he couldn't imagine it but unlike the two, he didn't know. I think it's fair that we deal with the hostility first. At least others have discussed whether or not he's worth it. Two have flatly denied he was paid it. I want to know why they are so sure and why they tried to derail the debate?

I'd hardly call it "butting in". We're on a public forum; the whole point of which is to discuss and debate. As for the differing angle.. I'm not sure what the issue is with that. It almost sounds like you'd have preferred it if I too had as good as said you were lying. All you've got to do to "win" here is show that your claim is true and anyone who questioned your integrity will be own you an apology IMO.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 25, 2018, 04:14:07 PM
I haven’t flatly denied anything.

What is McInnes paid then?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 25, 2018, 04:20:16 PM
I'd hardly call it "butting in". We're on a public forum; the whole point of which is to discuss and debate. As for the differing angle.. I'm not sure what the issue is with that. It almost sounds like you'd have preferred it if I too had as good as said you were lying. All you've got to do to "win" here is show that your claim is true and anyone who questioned your integrity will be own you an apology IMO.

I gave information that many within AFC already know. If you don't know, that's not my concern.

As for the rude cunt who can't engage like a normal functioning human being - possibly because he's not - why should I satisfy him? Because he's got "global moderator" as his title? Would you engage with cunts like that?

You're not interested in the debate (of whether he's worth it or not). Your ONLY angle is to ask for "proof". What if I was unable or unwilling to? Does this mean I made it up, knowing full well that the actual proof is due out imminently and that it WILL become public knowledge shortly?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 25, 2018, 04:53:50 PM
All I have done is ask for the source of the fact but as usual you’ve been caught with your pants down.

Before you wrote "link" - no "please", just being the rude cunt that you are - you disputed what he got paid, which is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Now you say that I've been "caught with my pants down". This assumes that I am wrong... or are you assuming that I'm wrong because I didn't reveal my sources?

"As usual" implies that I make up shit all the time. Give me one example ever of a fabrication from me?

Then we might discuss why the ONLY exchange I ever get from both you and your arselicker is never to discuss debates but ONLY to seek confrontation? You're not really that sad are you?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on October 25, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
What is McInnes paid then?

I’ve no idea but we get it, you can’t substantiate your “fact”.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on October 25, 2018, 05:52:36 PM
Before you wrote "link" - no "please", just being the rude cunt that you are - you disputed what he got paid, which is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Now you say that I've been "caught with my pants down". This assumes that I am wrong... or are you assuming that I'm wrong because I didn't reveal my sources?

"As usual" implies that I make up shit all the time. Give me one example ever of a fabrication from me?

Then we might discuss why the ONLY exchange I ever get from both you and your arselicker is never to discuss debates but ONLY to seek confrontation? You're not really that sad are you?

A fact is something that has been (not will be) proven to be true. I am not disputing it, I was merely looking for the evidence to prove that it is true, as it’s obviously not in the accounts as they don’t have that level of transparency.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 25, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
A fact is something that has been (not will be) proven to be true. I am not disputing it, I was merely looking for the evidence to prove that it is true, as it’s obviously not in the accounts as they don’t have that level of transparency.

Listen up you insulting cunt. It IS a a matter of fact what he got paid, irrespective as to the timing as to when YOU find out.

You have already disputed it... on this thread. And you can fucking whistle for my two sources, ten months apart. I didn't post it when I first heard but having had this corroborated by an equally qualified source, I was just asking the question as to whether he was worth it but you and your arselicker have totally derailed the thread.

Now will you answer the questions as to what else I have fabricated and why you continuousy seek confrontation with ad hominem attacks? I can't help my thinking you're a boring knob. You never post anything worth reading, it's nothing personal. Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on October 25, 2018, 08:05:15 PM
Listen up you insulting cunt. It IS a a matter of fact what he got paid, irrespective as to the timing as to when YOU find out.

You have already disputed it... on this thread. And you can fucking whistle for my two sources, ten months apart. I didn't post it when I first heard but having had this corroborated by an equally qualified source, I was just asking the question as to whether he was worth it but you and your arselicker have totally derailed the thread.

Now will you answer the questions as to what else I have fabricated and why you continuousy seek confrontation with ad hominem attacks? I can't help my thinking you're a boring knob. You never post anything worth reading, it's nothing personal. Go fuck yourself.

All points noted  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Dunty on October 26, 2018, 04:42:23 AM
I said he was paid 3/4 a million and two posters as good as said I was lying.

Now you butt in with a different angle. I never said I was reluctant to reveal my sources but in this debate, two posters have disputed that he was paid that. Manc said he couldn't imagine it but unlike the two, he didn't know. I think it's fair that we deal with the hostility first. At least others have discussed whether or not he's worth it. Two have flatly denied he was paid it. I want to know why they are so sure and why they tried to derail the debate?

You are barking mad, which is a good reason not to believe you. But, I never said you were lying or even suggested you were lying, so by saying I called you a liar, you have essentially just lied. Maybe your sources are wrong, for example.

Secondly, I did offer an opinion on whether McInnes was worth 750k. You said I didn't. So you were wrong again.

It's hard to believe you when you're wrong so often. Poor.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Tyrant on October 26, 2018, 08:06:39 AM
Listen up you insulting cunt.


 ::) I don't even know where to start with this.

I'm no Kow sympathiser by any means but Rocket, few (if any) are ruder, more negative or more insulting (and often downright aggressive) than you. Now that is a fact that no one is in any doubt about. But just in case.. here's the evidence for all to see: www.donstalk.co.uk

You obviously recognise the difference between an online forum and face to face social interactions. If you didn't and you spoke to folk like this you'd get smacked in the mouth on a very regular basis but yet you seem to let Donstalk wind you up a lot. Why? What are you getting out of it?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 26, 2018, 05:59:49 PM
You are barking mad, which is a good reason not to believe you.

 :laughing: :thumbsup:

Thank you for lightening the situation. I don't disagree with you in broad terms but it needs precise definition of course. It's mad to vote Tory (like the North East did), it's mad to believe the media (like the vast majority do) and it's mad to not see how useless McInnes is  ;D

But, I never said you were lying or even suggested you were lying, so by saying I called you a liar, you have essentially just lied. Maybe your sources are wrong, for example.

You need to read wot u wroted to know that's not true.

Secondly, I did offer an opinion on whether McInnes was worth 750k. You said I didn't. So you were wrong again.

It's hard to believe you when you're wrong so often. Poor.

I didn't say that you hadn't offered opinion. You're reading into it the wrong way and taking stuff out of context, unsurprisingly when the little tit jumped in and you guys are all responding to posts addressed to others. Stand free ye fucking cunt.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: manc_don on October 26, 2018, 08:52:18 PM
I've held off replying to this topic again, as it got me thinking and certainly didn't want recent results to blur my thought process.

Overall, yes, he's been worth it. The transformation around the club is there for all to see. From top to bottom, things run a lot smoother and it feels like a professionally run club. Yes there are things I've disagreed with, but they're never going to get everything right.

However, if he is / was paid that much?  He's certainly not shown he's worth that and the huns will certainly be feeling the better out of the parties. We haven't had the trophy return to justify that sum, despite our hatred of them. Hopefully he rectifies that this season
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on October 26, 2018, 08:56:43 PM
he has stabilised and reached his ceiling if we cannot lay a glove on them tmw without morelos and lafferty then hes done
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Ten Caat on October 26, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
he has stabilised and reached his ceiling if we cannot lay a glove on them tmw without morelos and lafferty then hes done

With the fans for sure....

With Milne... well he might pay attention with a few home crowds of 8k or less but I still believe the only way DM wont be in post at season's end is if he walks
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on October 26, 2018, 09:54:00 PM
With the fans for sure....

With Milne... well he might pay attention with a few home crowds of 8k or less but I still believe the only way DM wont be in post at season's end is if he walks

Ipswich Town job up for grabs just now, possibly the sort of job he'd be looking for.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Dunty on October 27, 2018, 12:13:28 AM
Ipswich Town job up for grabs just now, possibly the sort of job he'd be looking for.

Paul Lambert being appointed Ipswich boss tomorrow.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on October 27, 2018, 12:21:41 AM
Paul Lambert being appointed Ipswich boss tomorrow.

Will be up again in two weeks then.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: RicoS321 on October 29, 2018, 09:14:54 AM
That's McInnes clawed back some of the £750K. I'm reckoning Milne will be thinking it was worth it this morning.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on October 29, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
hope he can spend it on a striker
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Madbadteacher on November 02, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
If nothing else, the compensation payment if he leaves whilst still under contract will be pretty substantial now, no?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Ten Caat on November 02, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
He's been on the £750k for almost a year now with around 18 months or so left on his contract. There may or may not be a release clause specifying what a club would have to cough up to secure his services but if not the balance of his salary remaining would be the usual starting point in negotiations, though in practice i think we would be doing well to get £500k.

However just cannot see right now who is going to be wanting his services in the near future. EPL clubs I would say are beyond him, just not a big enough name for them to be interested. The Ipswich job that Lambert got a few days back is probably the level that might be interested in him....the WBA job will always be one he gets linked with if/when it becomes available but they are going well right now with promotion a target and if they get back up to the Premier League it again becomes out of his reach.

All in all I think we are "stuck" with him till his contract runs out. This season hasn't been great (though starting to improve) but he has enough goodwill with Milne and the board that even if we were to finish 8th as we are at present his job would be perfectly safe. He gets his hands on the new training ground in the summer (W.A.N.K.S/unexpected delays permitting). A decent summer recruitment and better start in the league next season will be expected....if he does then a new contract offer will be forthcoming around this time next year. Whether or not he would sign it I have no idea. A similar start as this season and I think he would need to win one of the Cups to get an extension offer.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: LA-Don on November 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I highly doubt we'd force a manager change during construction of a new stadium. McInnes has been heavily involved in the promo, would be surprised to see him canned before he gets to use it. Leaving for another club is different but I suspect he missed the boat on a 'bigger' club and mid table championship is probably his best bet.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on November 08, 2018, 12:36:48 PM
Milne paid McInnes over THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION last season.

Any word on when you will back this up with some evidence?
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 08, 2018, 01:01:00 PM
Any word on when you will back this up with some evidence?

I don't need to back it up. It's a fact. As everyone who is close to Aberdeen knows.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on November 08, 2018, 02:39:31 PM
I don't need to back it up. It's a fact. As everyone who is close to Aberdeen knows.

I'll remind you again soon.  Hopefully you can find some evidence one day.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 08, 2018, 03:11:39 PM
I'll remind you again soon.  Hopefully you can find some evidence one day.

Why hopefully? You enjoy having your cynicism, your ignorance and your stupidity exposed? Weirdo.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Kowalski on November 08, 2018, 05:36:53 PM
Why hopefully? You enjoy having your cynicism, your ignorance and your stupidity exposed? Weirdo.

To help you save face. Plus I’m genuinely asking for evidence.

You are Sean Spicer and I claim my five pounds.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: BigAl on January 11, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Another day, another Championship club looking for a manager.
How long before McInnes is quoted for the Notts Forest job  :dunno:
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Ten Caat on January 11, 2019, 09:58:10 AM
Honestly don't think any of the Championship clubs that consider themselves "Premier League promotion contenders" even give McInnes a second thought. He is not a name that would excite their fans, he's already had a shot at Bristol City where he was at best underwhelming and isn't known for getting his teams playing an exciting brand of attacking football.

His best chance would be at Championship club trying to avoid relegation.....Rotherham, Brentford or the like. Ipswich was one where I thought he might have a chance but they went for a "usual suspect" in Lambert, who has by all accounts been disastrous and looks like he will get them relegated before February is out. In which case the job could be available again fairly soon.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: BigAl on January 11, 2019, 10:16:30 AM
To be honest TC I wasn't rerally suggesting that I believe McInnes was a serious contender for the role BUT it's winter break, the red tops in Scotland are keen to create stories and I'd be very surprised if they didn't start trying to link McInnes to any vacant Championship job.
I honestly beleive that Steve Clarke might be a more serious contender and more acceptable to their support. Possibility that Clarke might be starting to think that he has built his stock up considerably and starting to see his team break up (Jones to THEM, Stewart back to Brum and Brophy getting linked with Leeds Utd).
Does the lure of staying back in his native Ayrshire outweigh any desire he might have to move back south of the border again ?

Don't know, just thinking out aloud  :dunno:
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: Ten Caat on January 11, 2019, 10:45:17 AM
Wholeheartedly agree that Clarke is a far more viable option. Is a far bigger name than DM down south and far better reputation. If an offer came, even from an EFL 1 club, I think he would jump at the chance.....purely by reason he moved south to Chelsea in 87 and all his career was down south till the Killie job came up. Up here I think only ourselves, Hivs, Hearts and Celtic would be jobs that would attract him (no to sevco for obvious reasons)

If he does indeed lose those 3 players this month then I think Killie's season is probably fucked but he would still have them finishing 5th or 6th.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 11, 2019, 12:11:00 PM
Another day, another Championship club looking for a manager.
How long before McInnes is quoted for the Notts Forest job  :dunno:

That one has surely got Nigel Clough's name all over it
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: BigAl on January 11, 2019, 12:35:19 PM
And so it starts  ;)

Slavisa Jokanovic 5/4

Martin O'Neill 6/1

Nigel Clough 8/1

David Moyes 9/1

Roy Keane 10/1

Sam Allardyce 12/1

Derek McInnes 14/1

Mark Hughes 14/1

Alan Pardew 16/1

Carlos Carvalhal 16/1

Chris Wilder 16/1

Danny Cowley 16/1

Lee Johnson 16/1

Garry Monk 20/1
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: tom_widdows on January 12, 2019, 07:28:29 PM
That one has surely got Nigel Clough's name all over it

They said that about Derby County but he knocked it back. Haven't been paying too much attention but last time I looked Forest's finances and off field set up looked in a similar league to Sevco's.
Title: Re: McInnes. Worth it?
Post by: wee toon red on January 15, 2019, 10:58:20 AM
Martin O'Neill confirmed as Forest manager.