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Title: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 01, 2019, 07:36:12 PM
Hate to say it, but the huns are in good form at the moment. Scoring plenty of goals and with our managers track record of trying stupid formation changes a game prior to playing them, it doesn't bode well.  Only thing going for us is that it is at home.

The team has the ability to play well, but i'm not sure DM will allow them to do it.

Out
House
Travelling to work
work
4-1 huns. Ferguson
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Ten Caat on December 01, 2019, 10:26:10 PM
Only good thing about this game is that they have the Cup final next Sunday and are likely to rest a good few of their players. Morelos certainly won't start as they won't want to risk him getting red-carded and I think will only come on if they are struggling for a result (can anyone see them struggling??)

As has been said elsewhere......defend like we did yesterday and we will need a calculator to work out the final score. Their big weakness is in defence but McInnes will no doubt shit the bed and refuse to have a go at them.

Defend properly and might manage to get a draw out of this but I've mentally written it off as a defeat so disappointment won't be a factor for me at full time.

0-2
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 01, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
We won't win, call me a negative cunt all you want.

They are currently streets ahead of us, especially mentally, they have their tails up whereas we're struggling to draw and beat the bottom two clubs. Still don't know our best back 4 and rely far too much on Cosgrove, imagine where we'd be without him  :redface:

We will camp inside our own half, concede 2 before half time and the heads will go down, it'll finish 4, maybe 5 - 0, if big Sammy gets a half chance, we may score one ourselves.

There will be more vocifourous booing and the Manager will say that we're miles behind them and need to be realistic etc.. etc.. We'll scrape some more wins against mid-table teams and all will be forgotten again until we face either arse cheek again.

Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: CtS on December 02, 2019, 12:31:17 AM
So much negativity. ‘Streets ahead’ ffs - can we skip the big hun love-in until after Wednesday please? It’s not like we’ve never come good against the odds before.

In
South
2-1 us
Cosgrove double, first being a 12th minute penalty
Several nightcaps to celebrate

I absolutely detest the bastards, and hope we inflict the first blow of a very damaging week for Gerrard.

Let’s do this!  :AFC2:
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 02, 2019, 05:20:35 AM

I absolutely detest the bastards, and hope we inflict the first blow of a very damaging week for Gerrard.

Very much share that sentiment. I really hope you're right!  :haterangers:
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 02, 2019, 06:44:51 AM
Easiest 3/5 away win of the season coming up. Odds reduced to 1/2 this morning.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: TheDeeDon on December 02, 2019, 07:00:52 AM
If the same line up & formation like we did on Saturday and they will tear us a new one, but struggling to see any real changes we can make that will make that big a difference.

My biggest worry is how many defenders he will start off with, I think he may put Considine in at LB, Logan and RB, Devlin and McKenna in the centre with Leigh and Veyner in midfield alongside Ferguson, unless Bryson is fit which might change the line up.

Despite winning on Saturday St Mirren played quite well and passed the ball about neatly, if Rangers play the same way it could get bad.

Be horrible to take a doing off them, just please let us make an attempt to win it.

My heart says 2-1 us, with Sam and Hedges scoring and I cannot even write the words what my head is thinking.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 02, 2019, 09:27:41 AM
greg stewart ran amok last time and he isnt a regular doesnt really matter who they play
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 02, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
So much negativity. ‘Streets ahead’ ffs - can we skip the big hun love-in until after Wednesday please? It’s not like we’ve never come good against the odds before.

In
South
2-1 us
Cosgrove double, first being a 12th minute penalty
Several nightcaps to celebrate

I absolutely detest the bastards, and hope we inflict the first blow of a very damaging week for Gerrard.

Let’s do this!  :AFC2:

Are they not streets ahead of us? There is a difference between being realistic and having a love in. I detest the cunts as well, but I know for a fact our Manager won't play to our own strengths and will show them far too much respect.

" and now we face one of the strongest teams in the country, Rangers have better players than us but we can win the game and it’s important that my players believe that when they go out there. "

That's our Manager bumming them up publicly, he's certainly giving them love, don't know why he couldn't just say that we have a tough game on Wednesday night etc...etc... but we can win if the players believe it. It's not just down to payers believing it though, is it? We fluked wins against them last season and I'd very much bite your hand of for another one of those on Wednesday night, but I won't hold my breath. I will stick to my prediction of 4-1 to the Hun bastards.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Jute on December 02, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
From what I saw of Saturday from the highlights I can only see us losing by a large number of goals on Wednesday. Another home game I will be giving a miss. Might watch on tv but can see me turning over to Italian of French games on other channels before half time.

Oot
Work
Flat
Flat
4-0 no dons scorer.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 02, 2019, 02:38:19 PM
That's our Manager bumming them up publicly, he's certainly giving them love, don't know why he couldn't just say that we have a tough game on Wednesday night etc...etc... but we can win if the players believe it.

We do know why (he couldn't say the right thing). It's because he's not made of the right stuff. He's not of a winner mentality. McInnes is the main reason I fear a doing. If he doesn't believe and expect to win, how are the players going to? Plus the inevitable impending negative sit in and hope tactics.

What a good mindset would've said is "yeah it's a tough game but we beat them three times last season, all in Glasgow so we are well overdue to beat them at home and that's exactly what we are preparing for".
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 02, 2019, 03:44:25 PM
We do know why (he couldn't say the right thing). It's because he's not made of the right stuff. He's not of a winner mentality. McInnes is the main reason I fear a doing. If he doesn't believe and expect to win, how are the players going to? Plus the inevitable impending negative sit in and hope tactics.

What a good mindset would've said is "yeah it's a tough game but we beat them three times last season, all in Glasgow so we are well overdue to beat them at home and that's exactly what we are preparing for".

That doesn't happen anywhere in fitba these days though, does it? Nobody talks like that. They deliberately talk up their opposition as some sort of weird/pathetic tactical ploy so that the proverbial atricle pinned to the dressing room wall doesn't happen. If you look back to McInnes' quotes before the games last season in which we won, they were near identical. It had no bearing on the outcome. I'm surprised that anybody listens to pre-match interviews these days, it's like they've all been written by the same person.

The biggest difference this season is that I think we've got worse and they have got better. I don't see a midfield that will contest theirs, and I don't see a consistency on the wings and behind Cosgrove that will produce anything against a superior team than we've faced recently. Our best midfield at the moment seems to include Leigh, which means Considine is left back. As bad as that sounds, it's probably better than a midfield where we're forced to play Vyner and Campbell, both of whom cover significantly less ground than will be required against the hun. The lesser of two evils perhaps, but not a great choice. The Bryson signing, especially, is looking like a bad bit of business but perhaps a tad unlucky with Ojo.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 03, 2019, 10:03:23 AM
What he says isn't as important as why he says it.

You can draw comparisons with his previous comments all you like. The far bigger issue is whether the man is fit for purpose. Given how you all sang for McInnes twice at Hampden in the last year, I'm guessing the majority of you do think he's worth pursuing with, just like the outgoing chairman does.

It would be boring if we all thought the same. Time will tell if you were all right.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Panda on December 03, 2019, 12:13:02 PM
His comments weren't great, but for all his supposed defeatist attitude he managed three victories over them last season. One might be a fluke, two possibly a bit lucky, but not three. He must have had them believing in the dressing room before those games.

Reading between the lines, I think what his message actually was is that his players looked at the old firm before a ball was kicked this season and were beaten before kick-off because they didn't believe they could match them. He's basically saying "aye, on paper they might be better, but get wired in and you might be able to pull off a result like last season."

That's my take anyway. I'm making the trip up for it - can see it being 2-2.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 03, 2019, 12:17:58 PM
mcginn is struggling so am fearful of a 3-6-1
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 03, 2019, 01:35:06 PM
mcginn is struggling so am fearful of a 3-6-1

I'm guessing there's a rake of defenders in the 6 too, given our lack of functioning midfielders.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 03, 2019, 01:39:44 PM
and the cry was more defenders, vyner , leigh in midfield
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 03, 2019, 02:48:31 PM
and the cry was more defenders, vyner , leigh in midfield

Aye. Although I'd probably end up playing Leigh in there too I have to admit. Mainly cause all of our midfielders are either dead or pap.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 10:47:35 AM
more motivation

Jacko is the sort of player that would make any team better and I have always felt that.

“I remember speaking to Ryan when Stevie went in to Ibrox and I thought he was their best midfielder. I said that to Stevie as well.
Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 04, 2019, 11:33:55 AM
You're going to have to give a link for that quote.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 04, 2019, 11:56:13 AM
It's cool. It's in the Record. I won't provide a link.

The stuff being written is in quotes, but it doesn't say when he said it and to whom. Or provide video linkage of him saying it. I'm not saying that the Record is a disgusting shite-rag that can't be trusted, but I would like to see it being said from our manager's mouth before I write to AFC in disgust. It's very JC that one like. Very JC indeed.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 12:24:50 PM
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5024787/aberdeen-derek-mcinnes-rangers-ryan-jack-ibrox/


shades of wee barry...
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 04, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
Aye, exactly the same as the Record story. Did he give the same interview to two journalists? Or was it in his press conference but not aired? McInnes, for all his shite tactics, is generally quite astute with dealings in the media. It wouldn't surprise me if this was a re-gurgitated interview from a year ago or something. It disnae sit right. Unforgivably stupid thing to say in the lead up to a match against the scum if true.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 06:38:53 PM
cant even bring myself no post the line up
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 04, 2019, 07:09:15 PM
Lewis-Logan-Considine-McKenna-Taylor-Leigh-Vyner-Wilson-Cosgrove-Gallagher-Ferguson (NOT McGinn)

Someone justify that line up?????
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 04, 2019, 07:09:47 PM
cant even bring myself no post the line up

Taylor hattrick
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
mcginn isnt playing gallagher wilson wide and 27 defenders behind them
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 04, 2019, 07:52:12 PM
5 mins in, Cosgrove fouling everything in sight. I'd have booked him already, and could even have seen red within 2 mins. FFS.

16 mins in, Logan booked for a clown tackle. Another foul by Cosgrove, no clue why he hasn't been booked yet. Wonder if Craig Levein is coaching us tonight???
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:04:17 PM
think gallagher is one of worst players i have seen
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 04, 2019, 08:04:49 PM
Awful. 6 'defenders' and we cannot mark 8 yards from goal. Basic simple cross, easy finish.

Absolutely shite to watch. No passing. Long ball, Gallagher and Wilson running around like headless chickens. DM magic strikes again.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
big ash is back
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 04, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
big ash is back

In all fairness it's a runner from midfield that scores, Leigh and Vyner to blame, neither tracked him or even marked.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
taylor was standing still , gallagher main culprit
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Kowalski on December 04, 2019, 08:10:57 PM
Has someone thrown a banana at Tavernier?
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:12:57 PM
eh
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 04, 2019, 08:13:04 PM
taylor was standing still , gallagher main culprit

Gallagher gets beat 30 yards out. How can a player wander in our box unmarked, get picked out from a simple cross, and have all the time in the world to score. It's most likely Leigh's man at that point. A defender not used to playing in midfield and not used to tracking midfield runners.....and that's really being nice to him, it's basic marking. We should be able to recover from the Gallagher error.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:16:57 PM
its the gashman
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 04, 2019, 08:17:30 PM
And that's me, I'm out. Shite error from Vyner then Lewis FFS. Men against boys and another glorious failure from the clown DM. Embarrassing to watch, we've barely had a touch and rarely out of our own half. We won't finish with 11 either. Utter joke, GTF.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 04, 2019, 08:18:49 PM
Game over. What a pathetic start so far. McInnes you spineless cunt.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:26:31 PM
gallagher is still pish
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 04, 2019, 08:43:41 PM
gallagher is still pish

Agreed. Didn't see the goal coming at all. If we can fluke a result tonight, happy days. Need to show more fight in the second.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Kowalski on December 04, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
Game over. What a pathetic start so far. McInnes you spineless cunt.

Disagree.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
get fkn tore into them
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on December 04, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Easiest 3/5 away win of the season coming up. Odds reduced to 1/2 this morning.
;D
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 09:39:06 PM
lucky to get draw but take it formation tactics were appalling for 35 mins vyner wont do in cm
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 09:50:27 PM
ferguson was tremendous have to
say
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 04, 2019, 10:10:56 PM
I really didn't expect that. Consi was superb and gla dot was him that scored the equaliser. Genuinely thought we'd fucked it after the first 30 mins but kudos. Just wish they'd started like that. Still see the point in Wilson though???

Fuck you ya hun bastards 😂
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 04, 2019, 10:26:43 PM
Given how they're currently playing, and how well they started the game ( We certainly aided them by being fucking abysmal ) it's a welcome point.

Standouts were Ash Taylor, Greg Leigh, Shay Logan & Lewis Ferguson, he was excellent, I wish that's how he played every week, grabbed that midfield by the scruff of the neck.

Always pleased to be proved wrong, and how sweet things would have been had Cosgrove nodded that chance home  :o

Have to say, that Kent looked rather strange tonight, he had plenty of tricks but everything he did was in his own half and whenever he got into our half, we dealt with him comfortably. How much did he cost?
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 04, 2019, 10:34:35 PM
kent is hugely over rated just like morelos, ferg improved as he was playing in his correct position
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: baggy89 on December 04, 2019, 10:40:03 PM
Switched it off as the 🐀went to tap his goal in.
Have since seen our goals.
Tavenier should have had a yellow for his attempt to stop Gallaghers goal with his arm.
I have no other comment other than, we were at least as good as a pub team in various states of hangover/drunkenness, for the bit I saw.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: CtS on December 04, 2019, 11:12:44 PM
Just read the last two pages. Don’t know why some of you fuckers bother with it at all.

Well deserved, hard fought point against (as Derek McInnes rightly said) a VERY good hun team. Fans who bothered to go along responded brilliantly once the lads got back into the game and showed their character. Bonus point.

Roll on Saturday lunchtime so the negative rhetoric and DMC bashing can start all over again once he names his team.  ::)
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 04, 2019, 11:25:13 PM
I'm very glad I didn't leave when their second went in. Great turn around. Credit to McInnes, he made the changes in midfield that got us back in to that. Shite line-up in the first place, but it's difficult to say if the change in itself was enough to throw them as they offered very little beyond Morelos diving all over the shop after that point. Gallagher was excellent after he moved central. It does make you wonder what game McInnes was watching at the weekend. He's not good at fitba, but by fuck he puts in a shift in the advanced area and his movement makes so much space for others, as well as putting their defenders under pressure and preventing the easy pass from the keeper. Keep him the fuck away from the wings.

The back four had an excellent 60 minutes once we sorted out the midfield. McKenna much more aggressive, as was Taylor and Logan upped his concentration and put in some fantastic challenges. Considine outstanding for the entire time he was on the pitch. As was Ferguson, but especially when we changed shape.

Pleasing to see us get right in their faces for a good proportion of the match, pressuring their back line and not letting them have their way. Obviously your not going to do that for 90 minutes, so it was good we kept it tight when we weren't pressing high, to the extent that we had by far the best chance of the game to win it, which Cosgrove made an airse of (he was poorer than normal, but did a lot of running).

Edit: forgot to add, for the avoidance of doubt, Wilson was horse-shite again.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Panda on December 04, 2019, 11:53:30 PM

That's my take anyway. I'm making the trip up for it - can see it being 2-2.


 8)

Had a bet on it but shat it and cashed out with 20 to go as couldn't see us holding on.

Draw a decent point all things considered, but a few alarming performances tonight - McKenna in particular.




Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: CtS on December 05, 2019, 12:08:38 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 05, 2019, 12:13:04 AM
Haha KFP, CtS is a classic DT'er so I wouldn't worry  ;D

I'll admit, i'd written the match off (hardly surprising after that first 35min), but kept listening / watching as the goal by Gallagher changed everything.  Pittodrie sounded great during periods of that second half.

Huns are absolutely seething, it's great.

I really hope that this proves to be a turning point in our season and proves to the team they have nothing to fear.  We were unlucky not to win that.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Ten Caat on December 05, 2019, 12:27:13 AM
Took the dog out for a walk when they scored their second....got back in at half time expecting to be watching the Apprentice for the rest of my evening's entertainment to be (almost) pleasantly surprised to find we had pulled a goal back. So watched the second half more in hope than expectation. I certainly didn't think that line up we sent out had one goal in them never mind two but whaddya know? We actually started to get in their faces and in the words of Corporal Jones...." they do not like it up 'em"

Still can't fathom how Cosgrove contrived to put that header wide, and although sevco were denied a stonewall penalty, we were well worth a share of the points at full time. Gallagher got m.o.m. Whilst there was no doubt his second half display was night and day compared to his first 40 minutes, it was Ferguson who provided the impetus for our revival and to me was streets ahead of everyone else.

I got my wish for Taylor to return! And he has done his prospects no harm of keeping his place for the time being, at least till Ojo returns and Leigh gets put back to left back. Or will we sign Leigh permanently and find him the second LB that MvInnes permanently turns into a midfielder? Vyner however must never play in midfield again. He's a decent defender but just looks lost further forward.

As ever after dropped points....sevco media is a hoot to tune into. GIRFUY ya mutant pondlife! And the Edinburgh clubs continue to provide comedy on a weekly basis ana. See you at the weekend Hobos!
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: CtS on December 05, 2019, 12:28:21 AM
I don’t frequent DT as much as I used to, or as much as I’d like to - I honestly find the constant negativity towards the manager, and the club in general, draining and boring. Maybe it’s because I’m old. Donstalk used to be THE place for well informed, balanced afc debate. And it’s nice to see some of my old favourites are still here, Kow, Big Al, Manc, to name a few.....but the build up to this match and even the posts during the first half are like torture for an upbeat, optimistic, (and handsome) dandy like me. Posters on here are criticising the manager for talking up the opposition, but I find the berating of our own players and staff in this thread far more damaging and insulting.

I’m definitely not gloating.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 05, 2019, 02:25:34 AM
Comment removed.

CtS, if I caused offence, which judging by your reply, I didn't  :rofl: , then I apologise.



Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 05, 2019, 06:19:00 AM
I don’t frequent DT as much as I used to, or as much as I’d like to - I honestly find the constant negativity towards the manager, and the club in general, draining and boring. Maybe it’s because I’m old. Donstalk used to be THE place for well informed, balanced afc debate. And it’s nice to see some of my old favourites are still here, Kow, Big Al, Manc, to name a few.....but the build up to this match and even the posts during the first half are like torture for an upbeat, optimistic, (and handsome) dandy like me. Posters on here are criticising the manager for talking up the opposition, but I find the berating of our own players and staff in this thread far more damaging and insulting.

I’m definitely not gloating.

Our tactics against the Glasgow teams in recent years have been awful, and with minimum return. Last year the exception against the hun obviously. But I don’t see how you can have a go at the fans after that first half, and two terrible goals. Delighted we got something from the game, but patches over the obvious cracks yet again in my opinion. I don’t see myself as a negative cunt, just realistic having watch us in decline over the last 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: TheDeeDon on December 05, 2019, 06:57:53 AM
Well we snatched a draw from the jaws of defeat, but we were awul for the first 30 minutes.

It's amazing how the team plays better when we have a go at teams.

Rangers are a decent enough team who are well organised and have players who play in their correct positions, which usually makes a difference, but we showed last night they are far from unbeatable. Menatality plays a huge part in getting anything of the Glasgow two, but we didn't show the right menatality until we were two down.

I hope we can sign a decent midielder in the window as our midfield is a huge problem for us with neither Ojo or Bryson fit and Gleeson clearly out of the picture and Campbell just doesn't seem ready at the moment and would benefit from a loan spell in the Championship.

Ever since he was out due to suspension I think Ferguson has looked very good for us and was one of our better performers again last night.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Slim on December 05, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
When’s the last time a referee apologised to us?
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: CtS on December 05, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
Comment removed.

CtS, if I caused offence, which judging by your reply, I didn't  :rofl: , then I apologise.

You shouldn’t have deleted your post, it was an honest reaction and it was relevant.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 05, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
DM isnt in the lodge probably, thats why no apology.

Re the comments about negativity no fkn wonder. Was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that the formation wasnt working why this wasnt apparent to DM prior to kick off is beyond me.

The first 35 minutes were horrendous and criticism rightly given as it has been for a lot of this season due to bewildering tactics and formations.

He still shoe horns players into positions they are not comfortable with Leigh was far better when he was shunted to looked like LWB (will be even better at LB) and nullified Tavernier/Kent and Vyner was horrible in CM , assume he really doesnt rate Campbell.  Wilson was anonyomous. So thats 2 players down.

On the subject of Gallagher he is/was excellent at being a nuisance thats about it very limited technically and not sure he can get any better nor does he appear to have an actual optimal position, I wondered if he could play RB but after getting destroyed in the first half down his side I have my doubts.

The real positive for me is they at times looked very ordinary, Morelos is a poacher thats it he has nothing else in his locker and Taylor was very good against him as he couldnt roll him due to his physique, he didnt have a sniff.

Kent was picking the ball up in his own half and with his back to goal and going nowhere ..  if this performance is a platform for us not to shit it v them and Celtic then great , lets see how we do v Hibs and if he plays people in their best positions

Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: BigAl on December 05, 2019, 09:25:37 AM
Been a big critic of Taylor, but thought he was superb (in the main) lasst night.
Unfortunately still appears t be prone to the odd bomb scare and not sure thats something we'll ever knock out of him to be honest.

Would have taken the result pre kick off.
After 35 minutes or so would have bet big money on a 4 or 5 nil for them so very pleasantly surprised.
Lets hope the lesson is learnt from the first third of the game
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: BigAl on December 05, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
I don’t frequent DT as much as I used to, or as much as I’d like to - I honestly find the constant negativity towards the manager, and the club in general, draining and boring. Maybe it’s because I’m old. Donstalk used to be THE place for well informed, balanced afc debate. And it’s nice to see some of my old favourites are still here, Kow, Big Al, Manc, to name a few.....but the build up to this match and even the posts during the first half are like torture for an upbeat, optimistic, (and handsome) dandy like me. Posters on here are criticising the manager for talking up the opposition, but I find the berating of our own players and staff in this thread far more damaging and insulting.

I’m definitely not gloating.

Fit like CtS ?
Good to see you on the board.
You and your razor sharp wit are a loss when you're not posting.
A' the best mate
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
Aye, the ref should be apologising for giving a free-kick, because it was a fucking dive after minimal contact. Beaton is a hun (former season ticket holder?) and has a blatant chummy bias toward them to an unhealthy level. It's not so much his decision making for individual free-kicks, but his knowledge of their team and players resembles a fan dealing with his heroes. Witness Taylor getting a word in his ear after Morelos tried to get him sent off. That shouldn't be happening. It was clear he was of the: "you know what wee Freddo is like, just don't wind him up too much". The similarities between Beaton's approach and McInnes' "Jacko and Stevie" are clear.

Re the comments about negativity no fkn wonder. Was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that the formation wasnt working why this wasnt apparent to DM prior to kick off is beyond me.

I agree, although I do wonder if the change in approach during the game also took them by surprise and they had no answer to it. By luck for us, more than design of course.

He still shoe horns players into positions they are not comfortable with Leigh was far better when he was shunted to looked like LWB (will be even better at LB) and nullified Tavernier/Kent and Vyner was horrible in CM , assume he really doesnt rate Campbell.  Wilson was anonyomous. So thats 2 players down.[/quote]

The problem was that we were always going to have to shoe-horn at least one player into midfield that wasn't going to be comfortable there. Leigh proved last night to me that he isn't a central midfielder. I thought he was very weak positionally and didn't know when to stay or go. Vyner was clearly tasked with a particular role, which - in hindsight - he probably did okay. It would have been difficult to see on the telly, but when we moved to a 4-1-4-1, Vyner was clearly asked to permanently sit in the gap between their midfield and Morelos, meaning that he was a lot less of the ball as the pass wasn't on. Given Vyner's lack of mobility, it wasn't the worst idea and with Ferguson and Gallagher more than holding their own in the second half. Overall, when Ojo or Bryson return, then you simply don't have to have Vyner in there. He's basically this season's Dom Ball so I think we should cut him a little slack as he'll be asked to play a lot of different roles.

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On the subject of Gallagher he is/was excellent at being a nuisance thats about it very limited technically and not sure he can get any better nor does he appear to have an actual optimal position, I wondered if he could play RB but after getting destroyed in the first half down his side I have my doubts.

His optimal position is clearly the most forward central midfielder in a three. It was obvious in the St Mirren game and obvious in every other game he's played. Why the fuck McInnes thought he could play out wide is beyond me. It's not just the fact that he is a nuisance, he also makes very good runs that make space for the rest of the midfield or provide an outball for a defence under pressure. A number of times he out-paced their centre half to take the ball out wide, and generally did something with it too. He won us a lot of throw-ins and corners high up the park taking a significant amount of pressure of us. The imporant thing is to not expect him to be the creative genius or the tricky winger. Play him to his strengths, make sure he knows those strengths and thus amplifies them or don't have him on the pitch at all. The good thing about Gallagher is that we can see what he does and what he can't do. Compare that to Wilson who seems to have zero redeeming features at all that would work in an AFC team and hence he should never have been signed.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 05, 2019, 10:57:06 AM
Broadly agree am not sure what Wilson is offering wonder if we had ditched him played maclennan and gallagher in the middle nay have caused them more problems
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 05, 2019, 11:09:43 AM
You shouldn’t have deleted your post, it was an honest reaction and it was relevant.  :thumbsup:

I disagree, I made it personal, which on reflection was unnecessary.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Well that was the strangest of games, a thoroughly bizarre draw.

For the first half hour, it was jaw-droppingly good football from them. They were slick and fast, precision-passing and great ball control. I knew their results had been good all season including in Europe but I didn't realise how good they actually were. Their only non performer was the son of a mattress. He was cumbersome when put through twice and never looked like scoring a couple of golden chances.

Then we got a goal, out of nothing really. And it all changed. I didn't see the tactical switch from the telly that some of you at the game are telling us. Neither did the commentators. In fact, Andy Walker was taking great delight, perversely, in lamenting Aberdeen's gutless uselessness but I didn't even see it like that. I saw a gulf in class that was so wide between the two sets of players that 2-0 after half an hour was a fair reflection and there was nothing we could do about it. That was the best half hour of football I'd seen from any SPFL team this decade.

In the second half, Rangers were strangely pedestrian. Their energy wasn't half as intense and it was like they were trying to manage out a win without working for it, like what they showed earlier in the game was going to convert another 3 points at some point. We need to thank Gerrard for persisting with Freddo because Dafoe should've been let loose to expose our limitations. His experience would've got him into the right positions but even then the service might not have come to him. As good as they were in the first half, they were utterly ineffective in the second and it was a self inflicted two points lost.

Other than Lewis Ferguson, I see no assets in that AFC last night. If Stoke want to offer £2m for Cosgrove, take the money. McKenna's not worth that much, he's just a big unit with limited football intelligence and a liability at times with stupid mistakes, both positionally and of heavy touch. I can see why we struggled against shit teams recently. I can see why we shipped five at Ibrox. I can't see how we would have managed to get a point against them last night other than we deserved it because they stopped playing. The gulf between the rest of us and the Glasgow bigots will grow wider as the season unfolds.

Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 05, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
Well we snatched a draw from the jaws of defeat, but we were awul for the first 30 minutes.

It's amazing how the team plays better when we have a go at teams.

Rangers are a decent enough team who are well organised and have players who play in their correct positions, which usually makes a difference, but we showed last night they are far from unbeatable. Menatality plays a huge part in getting anything of the Glasgow two, but we didn't show the right menatality until we were two down.

I hope we can sign a decent midielder in the window as our midfield is a huge problem for us with neither Ojo or Bryson fit and Gleeson clearly out of the picture and Campbell just doesn't seem ready at the moment and would benefit from a loan spell in the Championship.

Ever since he was out due to suspension I think Ferguson has looked very good for us and was one of our better performers again last night.

I recall a Month or two ago, when we were kind of struggling for results, McInnes kept saying in the Press that we were missing key players, and he mentioned Gleeson several times. the guys been back for weeks now and hasn't even made the bench. I still maintain that when he's played he's done nothing to merit being so far out of the picture, he has influenced a couple of games ( Last Season ) and I really had high hopes for him, but he will be released at the end of his contract, zero doubt about that.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 11:37:29 AM
Well that was the strangest of games, a thoroughly bizarre draw.

For the first half hour, it was jaw-droppingly good football from them. They were slick and fast, precision-passing and great ball control. I knew their results had been good all season including in Europe but I didn't realise how good they actually were. Their only non performer was the son of a mattress. He was cumbersome when put through twice and never looked like scoring a couple of golden chances.

They played some nice stuff indeed. However a lot of that was due to the midfield duo of Leigh and Vyner not understanding where they were supposed to be or what to do. Similarly Gallagher. We made so much room for their midfield it was unreal. It was a nightmare for Ferguson who was trying his best to influence the game from high up the pitch. The only surprise for me was how dominant they were without creating far more clear cut chances. They were happy to play the intricate passing in front and around us but seemed to forget to move that into the box, which seems to be the big difference between them and the Tims who would have slaughtered us in the opening period. The Tims under Rogers blew a much better dons team off the park up here and were significantly better than this hun team.

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Then we got a goal, out of nothing really. And it all changed. I didn't see the tactical switch from the telly that some of you at the game are telling us. Neither did the commentators. In fact, Andy Walker was taking great delight, perversely, in lamenting Aberdeen's gutless uselessness but I didn't even see it like that. I saw a gulf in class that was so wide between the two sets of players that 2-0 after half an hour was a fair reflection and there was nothing we could do about it. That was the best half hour of football I'd seen from any SPFL team this decade.

That's typical of commentary in yer Sky and BTs. They're not there to discuss the dons tactics. If they didn't spot, or mention, the tactical changes then they're clearly not good enough at their jobs (from memory, Walker is a clueless fuck there for the "controversy"). It was clear as day. Gallagher started out wide with Leigh sitting deep alongside Vyner with Ferguson getting up to support Cosgrove and Considine playing very narrow. That changed immediately after the second goal with Gallagher supporting Cosgrove, Ferguson dropping deeper and Leigh moving wide in front of Considine, who then started to overlap on occasion and got into the box for our second. It was like two entirely different teams.

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In the second half, Rangers were strangely pedestrian. Their energy wasn't half as intense and it was like they were trying to manage out a win without working for it, like what they showed earlier in the game was going to convert another 3 points at some point. We need to thank Gerrard for persisting with Freddo because Dafoe should've been let loose to expose our limitations. His experience would've got him into the right positions but even then the service might not have come to him. As good as they were in the first half, they were utterly ineffective in the second and it was a self inflicted two points lost.

Rangers were pedestrian because we got in their faces (like we should have done from the start). The main difference being Gallagher pressing their defenders and McGregor having to kick long for almost the entire second half. Ferguson was able to put his foot on the ball and take some possession back from their midfield rather than us standing and watching.

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Other than Lewis Ferguson, I see no assets in that AFC last night. If Stoke want to offer £2m for Cosgrove, take the money. McKenna's not worth that much, he's just a big unit with limited football intelligence and a liability at times with stupid mistakes, both positionally and of heavy touch. I can see why we struggled against shit teams recently. I can see why we shipped five at Ibrox. I can't see how we would have managed to get a point against them last night other than we deserved it because they stopped playing. The gulf between the rest of us and the Glasgow bigots will grow wider as the season unfolds.

McKenna had a decent second half, his first was one of his worst performances in a dons shirt. He was very aggressive in the second and he needs to maintain that level if he's going to get a move. There are guys like Hanley playing at a higher level who are much worse than McKenna. I don't think he's amazing, but he's definitely a sellable asset. Cosgrove looked knackered last night. He's been excellent this season but seemed to get frustrated very early in the game and let it get to him. Still relatively young and he has some attributes that'll take him to a decent level down South. Significantly better than Stockley for example. He's on course to score 20 goals before christmas, which is phenomenal in this dons side.

Agree that the gulf continues to widen (as does the spending on wages, coincidentally). Although last night showed that there are ways to play against them that it make it difficult for them to beat us and also for us to get goals. Hopefully McInnes understands what went right and takes it forward to the next few games against them. I'm not sure he gets it.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 05, 2019, 11:40:08 AM
are you gleesons agent kenny ?
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 11:53:53 AM
Rico, I think you're forgetting that Morelos was put through twice for golden chances that every top class striker would've converted, twice. There are no top class strikers in Scotland of course but they had done enough to be at least 3 up in the first third of the game, Joe Lewis shipping one of course.

Your opinion is that Rangers were pedestrian because of what AFC did. Mine is that they were pedestrian because they were managing out the game, having had such a fruitful start and been shocked by a goal out of nothing. Had they gone at us with the same hunger and intensity, that was a comfortable away win and we would've been powerless to prevent it, such is the gulf in class. It's depressing to know that there are going to be two teams in May who will post bigger points gaps over us that at any time in recent years. Celtic haven't even got better under Lennon. The rest of us are shit football teams who won't win fuck all against their duopoly.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Ten Caat on December 05, 2019, 12:24:17 PM
Gleeson is nowhere as bad a footballer as a lot of our support make out. In fact he may well possess the best footballing brain of anyone at the club.

However right now he also possesses the largest gut of anyone at the club. He had  a similar problem when he first joined and though he lost a good bit of it by last Christmas, his most recent injury lay-off has allowed it to return with interest.

I don't think he is a total write off for this season as he should be fitter by the time we return from the January break and will no doubt play a role as further injuries/suspensions start to hit in the second half of the season. But overall he has been a wasted wage and will definitely be released in the summer.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 12:27:33 PM
Rico, I think you're forgetting that Morelos was put through twice for golden chances that every top class striker would've converted, twice. There are no top class strikers in Scotland of course but they had done enough to be at least 3 up in the first third of the game, Joe Lewis shipping one of course.

I remember one (the second being the goal), but I haven't watched back. You'd have seen the replays, so you'll be right. I guess I'm saying I'd have expected 5-6 good chances with the amount of space we'd given them and at least three goals. That's where I think the Tims would have been more clinical and ruthlessly direct.

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Your opinion is that Rangers were pedestrian because of what AFC did. Mine is that they were pedestrian because they were managing out the game, having had such a fruitful start and been shocked by a goal out of nothing. Had they gone at us with the same hunger and intensity, that was a comfortable away win and we would've been powerless to prevent it, such is the gulf in class.

Well only one team made tactical changes and that was AFC. If you'd been at the game, I think you'd have been able to appreciate the massive difference it made and how blatantly obvious it was (and should have been before the game). They were taken by surprise by our goal and by our start to the second half. There's no way they came back out after half time to manage that game, we just played with a lot of intensity until we scored. That's not to say the huns weren't fairly formidable in the opening 30 minutes, they were, but that was hugely aided by our setup and the significant level of space they were given and that hun team can't maintain that level of performance for long spells of the game either. 

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It's depressing to know that there are going to be two teams in May who will post bigger points gaps over us that at any time in recent years. Celtic haven't even got better under Lennon. The rest of us are shit football teams who won't win fuck all against their duopoly.

It's depressing that AFC have allowed it. The huns are now spending 4 times our wages, with the Tims 6 times. We'll be back to the same points difference (between them and the rest) as had the last time the wage differential was at that level. There's a very obvious correlation. Not to say it's not impossible to overcome, just very very difficult. The question is, should the points gap between us and those behind us be bigger given our budget gap? I don't think it's enough of a gap to have the same impact at our level, but we should always be finishing third.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 12:30:32 PM
Gleeson is nowhere as bad a footballer as a lot of our support make out. In fact he may well possess the best footballing brain of anyone at the club.

There is absolutely zero evidence to back up that claim. There is significant evidence to show that this isn't the case.

Even if there was, a footballing brain is entirely useless if that brain can't instruct the rest of its body to perform the required actions.

I've got a better footballing brain than Gleeson, but I'm just shite at fitba.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: OxfordDon on December 05, 2019, 12:37:06 PM
an upbeat, optimistic, (and handsome) dandy

The passing of the years has eroded any slight claim I may have had to these - the first two do fleetingly reappear on occasion, but the 3rd is long gone without some major advances in medical science.

Sad to say I switched the game off at 2-0, glad to see now that we did manage to get something out of it, but that first half hour was shocking.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 05, 2019, 01:03:55 PM
are you gleesons agent kenny ?

I pimp him out enough I suppose.

I just think that there is an experienced player there who definitely has ability and as Ten Caat alluded too, has a decent brain. He kept it simple and ticked along nicely. He's struggled with fitness clearly, but he hadn't played a lot before joining us and the pace of the game is a lot different up here, he would have adapted had he been given the game time. Maybe he has a poor attitude, or maybe he's suffering mentally again, as he almost quit the game several years ago, can't quite remember the exact reason but apparantly he was struggling mentally.

Gary Rowett said he "[didn't] think there [was] a better passing defensive midfielder in the division."


Karl Robinson - Gleeson was in tears afterwards, and Robinson said that the criticism he had received during the season for an apparent attitude problem was misplaced. According to the manager, his "[looking] like he's moody, doesn't care and only does it for himself" is a misperception; "he gets wrapped up the fact that he cares so much – sometimes he shows it in the wrong way."

Mick McCarthy - said Gleeson was "a mile above anyone else in terms of getting it and passing it."

All well and good these previous Managers clearly rating him, I stand by the point I made about being given an opportunity, there is clearly a Player there, I think he would have been a key player if he had been given a fair shot, but for various reasons, he has not, be his attitude, his fitness or perhaps something mentally.


Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: LA-Don on December 05, 2019, 02:27:14 PM
Apparently Robbie Keane was there watching Sam Cosgrove yesterday. As I commented during the game, thought he was awful first half, fouling everything that moved and lucky to stay on the park. Very surprised he lasted 90 mins and showed little or nothing. Good way to prevent him being sold!
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 03:08:11 PM
I remember one (the second being the goal), but I haven't watched back. You'd have seen the replays, so you'll be right. I guess I'm saying I'd have expected 5-6 good chances with the amount of space we'd given them and at least three goals.

Twice, nothing to do with either goal, Morelos was put through where he should've made it a clear one-on-one. The first he was sluggish to get going but did get a shot off towards Lewis's left post but the second, he didn't even get it anywhere near under control, it eventually bouncing off his shins. They certainly did have enough chances to make three goals but their top scorer had an off-night, a real mare actually.


Well only one team made tactical changes and that was AFC. If you'd been at the game, I think you'd have been able to appreciate the massive difference it made and how blatantly obvious it was (and should have been before the game).

You say that McInnes made a tactical change which made a "massive difference" and which was "blatantly obvious". I'm saying that it can't have been as blatantly obvious as you say if I, and the commentators, totally missed it. Make the distinction; I'm not saying that you're wrong but I am disputing that it was as obvious as you say. For clarification, what exactly was this change you speak of and when did he make it?


They were taken by surprise by our goal and by our start to the second half. There's no way they came back out after half time to manage that game, we just played with a lot of intensity until we scored. That's not to say the huns weren't fairly formidable in the opening 30 minutes, they were, but that was hugely aided by our setup and the significant level of space they were given and that hun team can't maintain that level of performance for long spells of the game either. 

They weren't the only ones who were surprised by the goals. You were surprised by the first, as was I, as was anyone who watched the game, whether in person or on TV. It came out of nothing, as I said, because until that point, we hadn't done a damn thing and their keeper had zero to do.

Now we need to talk in a different realm and to explore an angle that is normally invisible to "men of the earth", to the granite-headed ancestors of ours (assuming you're of NE stock), fishermen and farmers being concerned only in the tangible and lacking the imagination and the intellect to explore subjects such as art or the mind, anything that they consider intangible and therefore "not real".

Performance in sport, including football, is heavily dependent on mindset, confidence and attitude. Some of us believe that it is the most important aspect.

In golf for example, some of us have concluded that putting is mostly mental. A look at the first table of stats I pulled up shows that for the 2019 season, the best two putters between 15 & 20 feet included Adam Scott and they holed 30% of putts made from this distance (29.93% and 29.73% to be exact). Double major winner Zach Jonson - himself with a great reputation for putting - holed less than half as many, 14.85% between these distances. Other major winners Bubba Watson (13.68%) and Phil Mickelson (13.48%, himself a very strong putter generally) were well off the pace and worst of all, at the bottom of the table was Sergio Garcia, another major winner at a paltry 8.00% which is holing almost a QUARTER of the times that the best did. We can look at any distance table fir any year we care to look at going back decades and we will see the same massive gulf between the best, the average and the worst.

The intelligent question to be asking is why? It isn't purely technical or mechanical i.e. what they do, how they hold the putter and how they hit it. Similarly in football, when examining momentum shifts, last night being the most stark example I've seen in ages, it isn't so simple that "we stood off them and let them play, then we got in their faces and that's why we won the last hour 2-0". They played with fear and consequence after the fluke 1st AFC goal. It became apparent to them at HT that it wasn't actually 3 points won yet. They lost their sharpness, they weren't as intense and they deserved to drop points as a result. Unless we can even see, let alone acknowledge the role of the mind in what happened last night, we will continue to talk a different language. The one I'm talking about doesn't ask you to take a Rupert Sheldrake-like leap of faith into morphic resonances etc. but it does include the power of the "collective mind" that occurs in team sports, itself an invisible aspect to most in the NE.


It's depressing that AFC have allowed it. The huns are now spending 4 times our wages, with the Tims 6 times. We'll be back to the same points difference (between them and the rest) as had the last time the wage differential was at that level. There's a very obvious correlation. Not to say it's not impossible to overcome, just very very difficult. The question is, should the points gap between us and those behind us be bigger given our budget gap? I don't think it's enough of a gap to have the same impact at our level, but we should always be finishing third.

You remind me of Dom Sullivan and them doing cartwheels for getting a draw in Glasgow. That was 40 years ago. It disgusted SAF then and it disgusts me now... because the power of the mind is something you fail to appreciate.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Ten Caat on December 05, 2019, 04:33:44 PM

Even if there was, a footballing brain is entirely useless if that brain can't instruct the rest of its body to perform the required actions.


Which was exactly the point I was making. Well sort of. In his case the body isn't fit enough to act on the brain's instructions.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 05:05:11 PM
You say that McInnes made a tactical change which made a "massive difference" and which was "blatantly obvious". I'm saying that it can't have been as blatantly obvious as you say if I, and the commentators, totally missed it. Make the distinction; I'm not saying that you're wrong but I am disputing that it was as obvious as you say. For clarification, what exactly was this change you speak of and when did he make it?

I detailed it further up the thread (Gallagher forward central from the wing, Ferguson deep, Leigh wide from centre, Considine less narrow). I can't comment about the TV experience, but it was incredibly obvious to anyone at the game. The reason why the commentators probably didn't see it (apart from their absolute incompetence) is because they're not there to watch AFC. I find it difficult to spot opposition tactical changes when watching AFC as I'm concentrating on what AFC are doing rather than the opponent. I have to make a mental note of who is playing where and often I don't recognise who players are which doesn't help. Or the commentator was just playing to his hun audience. Either way, it's not acceptable for a pundit for missing the changes.

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.....The intelligent question to be asking is why? It isn't purely technical or mechanical i.e. what they do, how they hold the putter and how they hit it. Similarly in football, when examining momentum shifts, last night being the most stark example I've seen in ages, it isn't so simple that "we stood off them and let them play, then we got in their faces and that's why we won the last hour 2-0". They played with fear and consequence after the fluke 1st AFC goal. It became apparent to them at HT that it wasn't actually 3 points won yet. They lost their sharpness, they weren't as intense and they deserved to drop points as a result. Unless we can even see, let alone acknowledge the role of the mind in what happened last night, we will continue to talk a different language. The one I'm talking about doesn't ask you to take a Rupert Sheldrake-like leap of faith into morphic resonances etc. but it does include the power of the "collective mind" that occurs in team sports, itself an invisible aspect to most in the NE.

I accept that. But surely Aberdeen's "collective mind" in last night's game when they came out after half time was significantly improved by the fact that they were playing in a system that played to each player's strengths rather than the initial setup that played to their weaknesses? Mindset is obviously a significant factor, but that can be hugely affected by what you're asked to do. Using your golf analogy, McInnes basically gave Gallagher a new putting stance before he went on the pitch and it affected his mindset.

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You remind me of Dom Sullivan and them doing cartwheels for getting a draw in Glasgow. That was 40 years ago. It disgusted SAF then and it disgusts me now... because the power of the mind is something you fail to appreciate.

You misunderstand completely. I'm not the AFC manager. It has no bearing on AFC what I think. I'm talking about AFC in their existing form with their existing manager.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 05:29:38 PM
I detailed it further up the thread (Gallagher forward central from the wing, Ferguson deep, Leigh wide from centre, Considine less narrow). I can't comment about the TV experience, but it was incredibly obvious to anyone at the game.

I only asked two questions. You failed to answer half of them.

WHEN did this tactical masterstroke get deployed?
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 06:37:45 PM
I only asked two questions. You failed to answer half of them.

WHEN did this tactical masterstroke get deployed?

Apologies, thought I'd stated earlier. Just after they scored the second. Should never have taken that long
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: A llad insane on December 05, 2019, 07:13:46 PM

 8)

Had a bet on it but shat it and cashed out with 20 to go as couldn't see us holding on.

Draw a decent point all things considered, but a few alarming performances tonight - McKenna in particular.


McKenna was superb 2nd half.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: A llad insane on December 05, 2019, 07:31:09 PM
Talk about a game of two halfs, 1st we were terrible & never got going, tbh we could have been 3 or 4 down before Gallagher scored. 2nd half we were much improved & could & should have scored 3 ourselves, Sam in paticular should have scored.
    Does it really need a rollicking at half time to fire them up ?
Thought Gallagher, Ferguson, Taylor,McKenna & Leigh all very good after ht.  Only one who really disappointed me last night with apparent lack of effort was James Wilson :frown:

They play a pretty decent, fast pace game, but once we started attacking them, they didnt look too clever. Defo rattled them.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Apologies, thought I'd stated earlier. Just after they scored the second. Should never have taken that long

So 15 SPFL games in and 0-2 down at home, McInnes finally works out that 3 or 4 players are better deployed in a totally different role than the one he started the game in?

I don't buy that. It's all too convenient to attribute great tactical nous to our manager. The evidence of seven seasons doesn't support this view. Rangers shat the bed. Simple.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 08:23:17 PM
So 15 SPFL games in and 0-2 down at home, McInnes finally works out that 3 or 4 players are better deployed in a totally different role than the one he started the game in?


Not really, they've all played in those positions before, it's just that against poorer teams McInnes tends to dick each player about shifting them into different positions. Gallagher being the most obvious of course, I even mentioned it after the at mirren game. He should only ever be played centrally and high up the pitch.

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I don't buy that. It's all too convenient to attribute great tactical nous to our manager. The evidence of seven seasons doesn't support this view. Rangers shat the bed. Simple.

I'm not attributing great tactical nous to our manager, I'm saying that it should have been bloody obvious from the st mirren game (and before) that Gallagher was a liability out wide and it would have an impact on considine too and that Leigh and vyner couldn't make up the core of our midfield. It wasn't tactical genius I was suggesting, it was relief. The hun might have shat the bed, but they only did so because we made the specific changes we did. If we'd remained the same, or brought on McLennan and main for Wilson and Gallagher we'd have lost that game. There are plenty of changes that wouldn't have worked and, for me, only a couple that would have allowed us to get back in the game. McInnes got it/guessed right. I was surprised and relieved. Hopefully he'll take that and build on it.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
I'm not attributing great tactical nous to our manager.

McInnes got it/guessed right.

I think we can be guilty of reading more into things that are actually there. If Cosgrove's attempt had deflected anywhere other than on a plate for Considine, if Lewis had got it wrong and the free kick came off the inside of his glove and into the net, if Tavernier had done better at his free kicks, if the ref had given a penalty when the contact on madre mattress was clearly on the line, we would've lost that game. Then nobody would be arguing that McInnes got it right or got lucky and guessed it right.

Tactics and formations are important, of course they are but it's not a deep black art. It's actually very simple, just play people in the positions where they are best at and where they are most comfortable which by Considine's own admission in his interview, is NOT left back. What you're telling me is that McInnes is still unsure as to what his best XI is and is still experimenting, almost on a weekly basis, the same as what that brain dead cunt Calderwood used to do. Wilson would have been best not playing yesterday and somehow, McInnes thought THIS was the game to play him in!

The danger of bumming up the manager, possibly for doing the obvious and rectifying his own fuck ups, is that he gets a pass. Under this charlatan midget, it will never improve so get the cunt te fuck.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 09:25:34 PM
I think we can be guilty of reading more into things that are actually there. If Cosgrove's attempt had deflected anywhere other than on a plate for Considine, if Lewis had got it wrong and the free kick came off the inside of his glove and into the net, if Tavernier had done better at his free kicks, if the ref had given a penalty when the contact on madre mattress was clearly on the line, we would've lost that game. Then nobody would be arguing that McInnes got it right or got lucky and guessed it right.

That's a very biased set of circumstances. If Cosgrove hadn't missed a sitter, if Lewis had held or palmed Morelos shot etc. The reality is that we battled very hard to get back in the game and deserved any breaks we got.


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Tactics and formations are important, of course they are but it's not a deep black art. It's actually very simple, just play people in the positions where they are best at and where they are most comfortable which by Considine's own admission in his interview, is NOT left back. What you're telling me is that McInnes is still unsure as to what his best XI is and is still experimenting, almost on a weekly basis, the same as what that brain dead cunt Calderwood used to do.

But that's ridiculous. We had to play at least one player out of position given the injuries in midfield. Considine at left back was absolutely the right choice and that was backed up by his excellent performance. If everyone was fit then obviously Leigh is first choice, but that wasn't the case. You've chosen the one difficult decision he actually got right last night. I agree that he doesn't yet know his best team, but we've had significant injuries in both midfield and defence already this season. I suspect nobody is certain whether Ojo or Bryson are first eleven players yet but I would think that is the intention. The majority of the team is probably settled enough otherwise. The wide players are the exception, but that's not unusual.

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Wilson would have been best not playing yesterday and somehow, McInnes thought THIS was the game to play him in!

Agreed. I think he's hoping that Wilson will pull something out of nowhere and will rise to the occasion. He's a charlatan in my opinion and shouldn't have been signed.

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The danger of bumming up the manager, possibly for doing the obvious and rectifying his own fuck ups, is that he gets a pass. Under this charlatan midget, it will never improve so get the cunt te fuck.

I'll give him credit when he's due credit. Look back through what I've written, it's all heavily caveated. You seem to be suggesting that I'm labelling McInnes as the next fergie which I'm clearly not.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
I will always give credit when it's due, even to those I can't stand. I just think you're over-egging the "tactical masterstroke" and it's impact on the outcome whilst ignoring the shambles that he set out in the first half.

There probably wasn't any other option than Considine at LB last night. I mentioned him simply in the context of playing people where they are most comfortable most of the time and to make the point that tactics and formations are usually more simple than complex.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on our respective interpretations of that game. I just find it tragic that our once-loved football club had large sections of empty spaces for a game against them and it is my opinion that the manager's incompetence is the main reason for this.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 05, 2019, 09:57:22 PM
They are fairly highlighting this decision against Ferguson, the Morelos tackle that should have been a Penalty I mean. I actually thought the wanker dived, certainly if there was contact, it was minimal. It's a part of Ferguson's game that he needs to nip in the bud though, he gives away far too many lazy, tired fouls. Having said that though, he really impressed me 2nd Half last night, he got far more involved whereas in the 1st Half he was genuinely dreadful, like everyone else to be fair.

Back to the original point though, by fuck they're foaming at the mouth that it wasn't given eh, BBC Sport Scotland have their own little segment on the website if you go look, Boyd last night was almost in tears that it wasn't given, the Highlights reel from last night showed the incident 3 or 4 times yet didn't show Cosgrove's header. Fuck them.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 10:23:45 PM
I will always give credit when it's due, even to those I can't stand. I just think you're over-egging the "tactical masterstroke" and it's impact on the outcome whilst ignoring the shambles that he set out in the first half.

I'm clearly not ignoring that though. I've mentioned it in every post. You're not reading what I've written (which is fair enough!).


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I'm happy to agree to disagree on our respective interpretations of that game. I just find it tragic that our once-loved football club had large sections of empty spaces for a game against them and it is my opinion that the manager's incompetence is the main reason for this.

We've had some of the best attendances in years during McInnes' time, but I do agree that his tactics of grinding out wins and managing games over a number of years whilst recruiting poorly is having - and will continue to have - a negative effect on crowds.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 05, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
I'm clearly not ignoring that though. I've mentioned it in every post. You're not reading what I've written (which is fair enough!).

I can assure you that I did read every word. It would be disingenuous not to. I said that I was happy to agree to disagree. It appears you still want to argue. Ok then.

Your very first post - before you started taking my post apart, every... single... point... - alerted us to a "change in approach" which they had no answer to: -

I agree, although I do wonder if the change in approach during the game also took them by surprise and they had no answer to it. By luck for us, more than design of course.

And you then explained it: -

It would have been difficult to see on the telly, but when we moved to a 4-1-4-1, Vyner was clearly asked to permanently sit in the gap between their midfield and Morelos, meaning that he was a lot less of the ball as the pass wasn't on.

You were very strong in your argument that McInnes had made a tactical change and again you repeated that it took them by surprise: -

Well only one team made tactical changes and that was AFC. If you'd been at the game, I think you'd have been able to appreciate the massive difference it made and how blatantly obvious it was (and should have been before the game)

When I pointed out that it wasn't blatantly obvious, you forgot about your earlier position re Vyner: -

I detailed it further up the thread (Gallagher forward central from the wing, Ferguson deep, Leigh wide from centre, Considine less narrow).

So the tactical masterstroke that you claim McInnes pulled off which took them by surprise and won us the last hour 2-0, I'm not sure that you're clear on what it actually was.

Whatever it was that you claim "took them by surprise", I say you're over-egging as a determinant of the overall outcome. That's all.



Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 05, 2019, 11:59:23 PM
Whatever it was that you claim "took them by surprise", I say you're over-egging as a determinant of the overall outcome. That's all.

The evidence of us being utter shite and suddenly not being utter shite immediately after that changes backs me up. The evidence of you not knowing that changes were made suggests you weren't really watching it or the view from the TV angle wasn't in your favour. I think I would have taken the word of someone who was at the game. The changes were clear as day if you ask anyone that was there. The BBC report probably sums it up:

"Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes changed shape and his team played with far greater intensity, forcing Rangers to move the ball quicker and quicker, which hastened mistakes and disrupted their rhythm."
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 06, 2019, 12:23:47 AM
It's strange that your account of what this amazing piece of management and tactical change actually was, wasn't consistent in your posting. It's also strange that nobody on any other AFC football forum saw either of your two accounts of what the tactical masterstroke was. Am I allowed to have an opinion? You seemed determined to pull mine apart when I expressed my opinion that it was a strange game and had the audacity to question how influential the masterstroke actually was. If it was that easy, we would be competing for the title, if one tactical change can get us beating Rangers 2-0. Calm down min.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Panda on December 06, 2019, 02:39:33 AM

McKenna was superb 2nd half.

He was absolutely shocking in the first though.

Logan, Gallagher, even Wilson, you half expect them to be poor. McKenna is a who you hope to rely on and yet he chucks it all too easily. He's also a guy who - lets be honest here - we're relying on to net us a big transfer fee either in January or summer.

Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: RicoS321 on December 06, 2019, 08:59:42 AM
It's strange that your account of what this amazing piece of management and tactical change actually was, wasn't consistent in your posting. It's also strange that nobody on any other AFC football forum saw either of your two accounts of what the tactical masterstroke was. Am I allowed to have an opinion? You seemed determined to pull mine apart when I expressed my opinion that it was a strange game and had the audacity to question how influential the masterstroke actually was. If it was that easy, we would be competing for the title, if one tactical change can get us beating Rangers 2-0. Calm down min.

I was perfectly consistent in my posting. You're completely entitled to your opinion, but if you ignore my reading and the BBC's reading of it, then it's difficult to gain much from your responses. If your argument was solely that you'd seen the changes that were made but didn't think that they had an impact then I'd be happy to agree to disagree, but you seem to be suggesting that the changes didn't even take place, which I find strange. In that case it doesn't really become about opinion, you're just incorrect.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 06, 2019, 09:11:13 AM
I was perfectly consistent in my posting. You're completely entitled to your opinion, but if you ignore my reading and the BBC's reading of it, then it's difficult to gain much from your responses. If your argument was solely that you'd seen the changes that were made but didn't think that they had an impact then I'd be happy to agree to disagree, but you seem to be suggesting that the changes didn't even take place, which I find strange. In that case it doesn't really become about opinion, you're just incorrect.

Now it's you who hasn't been reading properly. This isn't the transference that occurs where a weak argument resorts to accusing the accuser of the same weakness that the accused himself got accused of, its fact: -

You say that McInnes made a tactical change which made a "massive difference" and which was "blatantly obvious". I'm saying that it can't have been as blatantly obvious as you say if I, and the commentators, totally missed it. Make the distinction; I'm not saying that you're wrong but I am disputing that it was as obvious as you say. For clarification, what exactly was this change you speak of and when did he make it?

I was very clear when I cautioned you to "make the distinction". This is based on previous. Most people don't like to be challenged, you possibly more than most. We got there in the end. Agreed to disagree... or more accurately, tangential language and thinking differences (and pride, remember what Marcellus said about pride) leading to total misunderstanding. Love and Peace. And McInnes oot.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: manc_don on December 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Mckenna is no where near as good as he was pre injury. I hope he improves, but he's been considerably lacklustre for the past year or so. Odd game he's done what I'd expect, second half he did but first he was embarrassingly bad. No one I know who isn't a dons fan rates him in the slightest. Definitely need to be getting as much as we can for him imo.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 06, 2019, 10:34:02 AM
Mckenna is no where near as good as he was pre injury. I hope he improves, but he's been considerably lacklustre for the past year or so. Odd game he's done what I'd expect, second half he did but first he was embarrassingly bad. No one I know who isn't a dons fan rates him in the slightest. Definitely need to be getting as much as we can for him imo.

For me, this is probably down to him not wanting to be here nowadays. He made it pretty clear in his recent interviews that he had his heart set on a move down south, after speaking to the McLeans, Shinnie's etc...

Regarding the people outwith the club not rating him, it's the same for me, no-one thinks he's even remotely decent, but they say that about Cosgrove as well, and even a few mutterings that Joe Lewis is mince, but their opinion is irrelevant, because they are unable to be objective. Like idiots being interviewed by the Media, on their way to a FoodBank, stating they'll still vote Tory because they like how Johnson speaks. Place is full of absolute fucking morons these days and I class those who don't rate McKenna, Cosgrove & Lewis in that bracket.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Ten Caat on December 06, 2019, 02:57:37 PM
Out of the 3 players we are likely to sell for big money, I'd say McKenna will be the easiest to replace. Sure he has made himself a Scotland first choice pick, but that is more down to the other options being worse than him rather than him being true international class. Don't forget before McInnes was forced into picking him, 6 months beforehand on loan at Ayr he struggled to make the team on a regular basis.

Even so, although I'm resigned to him leaving in January, I hope we don't just let him walk for relative peanuts. In the Championship, I think he will prove to be a run of the mill defender, but even run of the mill defenders go for upwards of £4million down there so that is what we should be pocketing for him ana.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 06, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
Out of the 3 players we are likely to sell for big money...

This is another bugbear of mine although I fully understand the situation. I have no problem with Ryan Jack going for treble+ his wages and I don't think we should stand in the way of any of our players moving for bigger and better money. It's a short career after all and let's face it, if they have any ambition whatsoever, it's pretty obvious that AFC are going to win fuck all.

I just wish the club had enough ambition to want to keep our best assets so that the contracts they're on are such that if an offer does come in, it needs to be a big one to a) tempt the player and b) compensate us properly.

The bottom line is that I would have preferred a chairman who wanted to win stuff AND at least try and compete for the SPFL. The whole culture under him has never been about "the product", despite his lies in 1996.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: A llad insane on December 06, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
He was absolutely shocking in the first though.

Logan, Gallagher, even Wilson, you half expect them to be poor. McKenna is a who you hope to rely on and yet he chucks it all too easily. He's also a guy who - lets be honest here - we're relying on to net us a big transfer fee either in January or summer.

He may well land us a big fee, but would it be any bigger than a fee for Ferguson or Cosgrove ?  I agree he has been off the boil for a while including 1st half on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: A llad insane on December 06, 2019, 07:24:33 PM
Mckenna is no where near as good as he was pre injury. I hope he improves, but he's been considerably lacklustre for the past year or so. Odd game he's done what I'd expect, second half he did but first he was embarrassingly bad. No one I know who isn't a dons fan rates him in the slightest. Definitely need to be getting as much as we can for him imo.


May well struggle to get £2m now imho! :dunno:
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Ten Caat on December 06, 2019, 08:31:35 PM

May well struggle to get £2m now imho! :dunno:

We don't have to sell. It's a seller's market, he's on a decent length of contract and we are not needing the cash (yet anyway). If a club wants him, they'll have to meet our valuation. He won't go for £2 million
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Tyrant on December 09, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
Just read the last two pages. Don’t know why some of you fuckers bother with it at all.

Well deserved, hard fought point against (as Derek McInnes rightly said) a VERY good hun team. Fans who bothered to go along responded brilliantly once the lads got back into the game and showed their character. Bonus point.

Roll on Saturday lunchtime so the negative rhetoric and DMC bashing can start all over again once he names his team.  ::)


Very good Hun team my fucking arse min. They have a couple of decent players aye but nothing to be shitting ourselves at in the manner in which we have in the first half of this game and every half of the last several games we've played against them (and other, arguably better teams too). Did you enjoy the 5-0 at Ibrox? Or the 4-0 training session we gave Celtic? I don't know why I fucking bothered.  ::) A draw the other night was a good result in hindsight but the arse licking session that you MIGers gave him in the aftermath was unwarranted as was painfully evident at Easter Road this weekend past.

Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: SeeBass on December 10, 2019, 12:05:07 AM
Could somebody give me the stats to our HOME RECORD against Rangers in LEAGUE with regard to MIDWEEK MATCHES ONLY since 1993???  Thanks!!
Title: Re: Dons - huns - Wed
Post by: Elgindon on December 10, 2019, 03:33:37 PM
 Try this. http://www.afcheritage.org/Matches/Fixtures/fixtures.cfm?season=2001-02&Squad=Senior