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Title: County vs Dons
Post by: manc_don on November 06, 2019, 07:03:48 PM
County have had a fair few 2-2 draws of late, so wouldn't surprise me if this was a score draw, however I do think we'll leave with 3 points.  We seem to have a bit of swagger back, so it'll be interesting to see if this continues.

Wouldn't change much from the starting line up tbh, may as well see how it goes and whether Main and Cosgrove can actually develop a partnership.

Out
Bed
Bed
Moving
2-1 Dons, Hedges and Cosgrove
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Elgindon on November 06, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
 Should be up in Elgin this weekend,so will try and coax my armchair brother along to this.Dingwalls a couthy wee place,always one of the better away days.

   Hopefully stick with 2 up front,score a few goals and get the belief up a bit more .COYR
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Jute on November 07, 2019, 11:25:21 AM
Bryson is supposed to be back for this one so would expect him to come back in. County are the worst team I have seen us play in the league this season so should be looking to win this comfortably however as I am travelling 4 hours on the train to get to the game you can guarantee we will make a tit of it. Supposedly a big Dons support heading up.

In
Ridiculously early train then beers in Inverness and Dingwall
Away end
Beers then train back to Capital.
3-0 Cosgrove (pen) Hedges and McGinn.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on November 08, 2019, 01:21:04 AM
I'd be very surprised if he went for 2 Strikers again, but against a team like County, it could work well.

They seem to start slowly but grow more into the game, they've came back from goals down to draw & win, but also took a couple of heavy defeats.

I think we'll take 3 points as well, and would like to see a similar 11 on the pitch.

Ross County 1 vs 3 Aberdeen ( Cosgrove x 2, McLennan )
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: TheDeeDon on November 08, 2019, 06:50:09 AM
I would like to see us start with the same line up from last Saturday and have a go at them.

Possibly some some sort of game management pish on the go though as we are away from home.

2-2 - Cosgrove & Main
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Elgindon on November 08, 2019, 06:21:09 PM
 Now out for this one as am working am.Shame,usually a good day out.Looks like we've pretty much sold out our end though.Good effort
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: scotfree on November 09, 2019, 08:38:36 AM
Game preview.

https://www.afc.co.uk/preview/match-preview-ross-county-v-aberdeen/#match-preview
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Ten Caat on November 09, 2019, 10:25:45 AM
Probably jinxing the result now but I've lumped on us today in my accumulator (alongside Spurs, Ipswich and Sunderland)

The way McInnes is speaking it doesn't sound like the Cosgrove/Main partnership will start today, although he might just be trying to throw County off the scent. Surely to god Logan has to be dropped, Vyner dropping back to replace him and Bryson coming in to the midfield.

1-3 (Hedges, Ferguson, Cosgrove)
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on November 09, 2019, 05:11:59 PM
Another correct scoreline, should start putting money on it!

Anyway, relatively comfortable game, referee was abysmal though, for both teams it has to be said.

Considine my MOTM, 2-3 excellent defensive blocks and a very good finish for his goal. Hedges & Leigh were also very good. No poor players today really.

3 wins in a row, 7 scored and one conceded, the one conceded was a very debatable Penalty today.

Fingers crossed this is us for the rest of the season, we have bodies back, Wilson, Gleeson, Vyner not even in the squad, so we can only get stronger, numbers wise.

Only downside is that's it's 2 weeks tomorrow until our next fixture.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: RicoS321 on November 09, 2019, 05:16:02 PM
Probably jinxing the result now but I've lumped on us today in my accumulator (alongside Spurs, Ipswich and Sunderland)

I was about to question the nonsense idea that you could possibly jinx a match, but you spectacularly managed to jinx 3 out of 4 results there. Top jinxing.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Elgindon on November 09, 2019, 06:21:46 PM
 A fine win.Never saw a stream but McGinn was in top form apparently,Considine also good.Downside was Bryson went off after 50 mins......turning out to be a new Paul Bernard  :frown:

  Makes all the feeble results at the start of the season more frustrating

 6500 crowd today (of which 2000 Dandies).Always amazes how many folks watch County,when the population of Dingwall is only 8000 or so

   
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Panda on November 09, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
A fine win.Never saw a stream but McGinn was in top form apparently,Considine also good.Downside was Bryson went off after 50 mins......turning out to be a new Paul Bernard  :frown:

  Makes all the feeble results at the start of the season more frustrating

 6500 crowd today (of which 2000 Dandies).Always amazes how many folks watch County,when the population of Dingwall is only 8000 or so

 

Don't think Bryson was injured though (could be wrong mind you). Seemed a tactical move and McInnes said afterwards Main coming on made a difference.

Ross County were playing four in midfield and we had five, so we could afford to take off a midfielder and put someone else up front.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: tom_widdows on November 09, 2019, 07:56:49 PM
6500 crowd today (of which 2000 Dandies).Always amazes how many folks watch County,when the population of Dingwall is only 8000 or so

 

Population is about 5500

The key being the name of the club Ross County

Ross and Cromarty population is about 50,000.

Had Inverness Thistle gotten into the league back in 1974 or they just picked either them or Caley instead of amalgamating them back in 1994 then I reckon there would be much healthier crowds on the other side of the Kessock.

County do so much (or at least used to when I was growing up) for schools and kids football around the highlands which probably helps so much with them attracting new fans.


Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Panda on November 09, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
Four wins out of five now. Have scored three goals against Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Ross County who are all fellow top six sides.

Just a shame we let ourselves down so badly against the Old Firm.

Hopefully McInnes gets a bit of slack after this. I'm not a fan of the "where are the McInnes haters/backers now then?" after every game, but some of the nonsense spouted recently, especially by social media warriors, has been embarrassing. Been quite vitriolic towards him just because he's had some disappointing performances.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Elgindon on November 09, 2019, 08:11:02 PM
Population is about 5500

The key being the name of the club Ross County

Ross and Cromarty population is about 50,000.

Had Inverness Thistle gotten into the league back in 1974 or they just picked either them or Caley instead of amalgamating them back in 1994 then I reckon there would be much healthier crowds on the other side of the Kessock.

County do so much (or at least used to when I was growing up) for schools and kids football around the highlands which probably helps so much with them attracting new fans.

 I know,but with Aberdeen city at 230k,and if you include surrounding areas to give you around 450k population,then Countys proportion of crowds to population is still pretty impressive
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: tom_widdows on November 09, 2019, 08:16:50 PM
I know,but with Aberdeen city at 230k,and if you include surrounding areas to give you around 450k population,then Countys proportion of crowds to population is still pretty impressive

Maybe its just a different mindset. Lot of people I went to school with grew up supporting other teams but have since changed to Ross County. Many did it after moving to Glasgow/ Edinburgh etc and experiencing much more of the baggage their former teams carried.

I'll admit now I find myself drifting more towards Ross County and actually think Ive been to more County games than Dons matches in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: tlg1903 on November 09, 2019, 10:12:45 PM
It's not just ross and Cromarty, county have season ticket holders based all over the highlands. I met a guy who travelled most weeks from skye not so long ago.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: tom_widdows on November 09, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
It's not just ross and Cromarty, county have season ticket holders based all over the highlands. I met a guy who travelled most weeks from skye not so long ago.

Skye is now actually part of Ross & Cromarty.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: A llad insane on November 09, 2019, 10:55:36 PM
Brrrrr ! Not long back, another decent performance from Dons.
 Actually just got in when County scored their pen. so dont know if it was a pen or not, we recovered well though & tbh we should have won by more, woodwork saving them from bigger defeat.
    Great 1st goal from niall, Hedges 2nd goal, not sure if anyone got a touch. 3rd goal from big Andy was a good strike, actually he was probably my motm.
    Good Dons support up creating a good atmosphere, must have been 2,000+ :thumbsup:
Well deserved 3 points , jings it was baltic though :eek:
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: manc_don on November 10, 2019, 02:08:24 AM
I think it was inside the box. Hard to be completely sure because of the angle, but it looked like his arms were inside the box.

Looked to be a decent performance. Perhaps a bit fortunate, but good on the team for pulling through. You could see the ref was having a bit of a shocker. Great goals by McGinn and Consi, who is my player of the season so far. Was it Hedges who went to dive on the pile and completely missed it?  :rofl:

Hope we can continue this form post wast of time international week.

Edit: goals:

Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: TheDeeDon on November 11, 2019, 06:46:01 AM
I caught the highlights last night and another decent victory and three good goals scored by us and a few other chances missed as well.

Just a pity the international break will kill our current momentum.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Tyrant on November 11, 2019, 01:24:27 PM
Improved terms for McInnes.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: Ten Caat on November 11, 2019, 03:14:18 PM
So it seems that with (nearly) a full squad to pick from we are indeed "best of the rest". The Edinburgh clubs will have new managers by the time the international break is over and I'd expect both of them to start climbing the table prior to the New Year break. As long as we don't suffer another injury crisis, I'd expect us to at least maintain the current gap, allowing for their game in hand. Motherwell and Killie just don't have the squads to maintain their relative positions to us and I'd expect them both to be on similar points totals to Hibs and Hearts come mid-season.

The problem we face is that the arse cheeks are now so strong that both can field second choice elevens and beat the majority of teams in the league, They might even be able to do it against us although I don't think they'd risk that given that as it stands all that separates them is one goal after a third of the season. We've got sevco coming up early December and it could well be that the league is settled by who loses the least amount of points to us over the season. Hopefully we can do a bit of damage to the sevconian challenge.

Leigh is becoming an important fixture in midfield, supplying the "drive" that we have missed since Shinnie left. We're supposedly looking to exercise our right-to-buy option on him early. Not sure if that means we have to wait till January or if the loan terms (and SFA rules) allow us to do it right now but let's hope we can get it done and dusted asap as his form of late will no doubt be starting to make other clubs pay attention.

Consi's next match for us will be his 500th club appearance. Over the years he's had his detractors.....but his service can not be questioned and seems to have improved with age. I'm not sure we will ever see another player reach this milestone.

As has been said.....the break has come at the wrong time for us just as we are starting to get some momentum. Hivs destroyed St J at the weekend but I certainly don't expect us to stick 4 past them on the league resumption. Noted that May got another goal....that's 2 in 9 whch I suppose isn't bad in a side sitting second bottom. Certainly beats his goal ratio with us by quite a distance. Wouldn't bet against him getting one against us.


Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: scotfree on November 11, 2019, 10:36:36 PM
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: scotfree on November 11, 2019, 10:50:59 PM
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: DantheDon on November 12, 2019, 01:39:16 AM
Consi's next match for us will be his 500th club appearance. Over the years he's had his detractors.....but his service can not be questioned and seems to have improved with age. I'm not sure we will ever see another player reach this milestone.

I don't think its impossible for a player to do it again, it just depends on the circumstances. Considine has managed it partly because of his loyalty, but also because he never stood out and therefore probably hasn't had that many options to go elsewhere. I think the less hes played at left back the better as he doesn't have the pace to play there and that's one of the main reasons hes doing much better these days. He has always been a relatively consistent performer but even now hes not one of our better players.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: LA-Don on November 12, 2019, 04:27:58 AM
I don't think its impossible for a player to do it again, it just depends on the circumstances. Considine has managed it partly because of his loyalty, but also because he never stood out and therefore probably hasn't had that many options to go elsewhere. I think the less hes played at left back the better as he doesn't have the pace to play there and that's one of the main reasons hes doing much better these days. He has always been a relatively consistent performer but even now hes not one of our better players.

Had this debate the other day, Considine isn’t good enough for our starting 11, or shouldn’t be. And this has been the case for years. He was gash at left back 2-3 seasons ago and we were all crying out for a proper left back. Shinnie had been moved to center mid so we signed Lowe. Now we have Leigh. If it had gone to plan Devlin and McKenna would be our two in the middle, but injuries and loss of form have affected that. I can’t fault Andy’s commitment and loyalty but he almost plays by default, injuries, loss of form to the recognized starters, or poor transfers and us not having a left back. He’s so slow and gets killed at left back and in central defense has to be so tight or he gets burned for pace, and when the forward gets the ball and is able to go at him he usually dives in and it’s a foul.

Pre Lowe, Shinnie was moved to center mid mainly because we were shite in there and we hadn’t effectively replaced Jack Flood Robson etc. Had it gone to plan Shinnie would have been left back and Reynolds (injury fucked him) and Taylor/OConnor is the middle. As mentioned, Andy’s not that great so we never really got offers for him but he’s not been intended to be a regular starter for years. 500 games now, funny old game.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: TheDeeDon on November 12, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
At centre half I don't think Considine is that bad a player and don't see him as any worse at centre half than Devlin or McKenna. I would say for the vast majority of his near 500 games he has hardly let us down in the grand scheme of things.

Playing at LB is not his fault, that is where the managers played him a lot of the time and against lesser teams he does fine, put a bit of pace against him and we are screwed, but that is a management failing, fair enough as a stop gap and injuries dictate, but otherwise poor management.

We have had a lot of shyte playing for us over the years, but for me Considine, at centre half, is not near that list.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: RicoS321 on November 12, 2019, 09:04:51 AM
Considine is ace. A proper Dandy. He's also good at fitba. I mean, he can actually control and pass a ball and not panic and hoof it out unlike the majority of other defenders we've had in his time here (I'm including Devlin in that, and definitely Reynolds). He'd get into any of the teams below us in the league and he's shown that he's good enough for our first team over a sustained period. Every year he's been here, there have always been far more pressing issues than replacing Considine, and he's been in the top 5 or 6 performers every season since Brown turned up. He started getting better as soon as he learned he needed to be aggressive and play to his strengths and that in turn helped his confidence in the tackle and on the ball after an early career of getting knocked about by much smaller players. He had a couple of great seasons at left back, which allowed Shinnie to fill a massive hole in our midfield. It was becoming obvious by the season before Lowe arrived that we could improve the team by getting Considine back to central defence, but I'd argue that was really only for games against the Huns and Tims, as Considine was more than good enough against the rest. The problems against the scum usually occurred because of a change in tactic (justified or otherwise), where Considine would be added to the left of a back three rather than a fullback, thus increasing the distance between him and the wide player or leaving a huge gap behind. Anyone that's ever played football knows that doing that to a player who's weakness is pace will end in disaster. Games that we challenged the scum or beat them were when Considine played as part of a normal back four unsurprisingly.

The problem that we have now is that McKenna is a better player and Leigh is a better left back. Considine is okay as cover for left back, but we're not nearly the team we were a few seasons back where we can comfortably support that from the rest of the pitch so Leigh needs to be there every week barring injury. I think Considine has been better than Devlin this season (and I'd say our most consistent performer this season), but I don't think Considine on his wrong foot is better than Devlin so I don't think he should start there barring injury either. I think we have him on the bench when everyone is fit knowing that we're covered for every position across the back apart from right back.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: LA-Don on November 12, 2019, 04:57:01 PM
Considine is ace. A proper Dandy. He's also good at fitba. I mean, he can actually control and pass a ball and not panic and hoof it out unlike the majority of other defenders we've had in his time here (I'm including Devlin in that, and definitely Reynolds). He'd get into any of the teams below us in the league and he's shown that he's good enough for our first team over a sustained period. Every year he's been here, there have always been far more pressing issues than replacing Considine, and he's been in the top 5 or 6 performers every season since Brown turned up. He started getting better as soon as he learned he needed to be aggressive and play to his strengths and that in turn helped his confidence in the tackle and on the ball after an early career of getting knocked about by much smaller players. He had a couple of great seasons at left back, which allowed Shinnie to fill a massive hole in our midfield. It was becoming obvious by the season before Lowe arrived that we could improve the team by getting Considine back to central defence, but I'd argue that was really only for games against the Huns and Tims, as Considine was more than good enough against the rest. The problems against the scum usually occurred because of a change in tactic (justified or otherwise), where Considine would be added to the left of a back three rather than a fullback, thus increasing the distance between him and the wide player or leaving a huge gap behind. Anyone that's ever played football knows that doing that to a player who's weakness is pace will end in disaster. Games that we challenged the scum or beat them were when Considine played as part of a normal back four unsurprisingly.

The problem that we have now is that McKenna is a better player and Leigh is a better left back. Considine is okay as cover for left back, but we're not nearly the team we were a few seasons back where we can comfortably support that from the rest of the pitch so Leigh needs to be there every week barring injury. I think Considine has been better than Devlin this season (and I'd say our most consistent performer this season), but I don't think Considine on his wrong foot is better than Devlin so I don't think he should start there barring injury either. I think we have him on the bench when everyone is fit knowing that we're covered for every position across the back apart from right back.

The joys of football and opinion, I don't really see Andy this way. Yes he's a diehard don and fully committed, but in my opinion he's a very limited footballer. To say he's good/ace at football is vague, not quite sure what he excels at other than effort. He's slow and gets exposed, and fouls his marker almost every time. He has to be aggressive because if he gives his man space he gets torched, so ends up being stupid and overly aggressive giving away so many needless fouls. When we give away penalties and I don't watch the game I tend to assume it's an Andy fuck up.

He'd probably get into the teams below us but mainly because we are in a shit league and the standard of player is possibly at an all time low (see the national team and it's lack of central defenders, it's a really weak position too.) I'd expect him to get exposed even more with weaker players around him. He's playing because of McKenna/Devlin being injured or off form, prior to that played left back because Shinnie got moved to help our shit midfield (he had great seasons at left back, I never saw that, quite the opposite but Hayes and McGinn helped his weaknesses IMHO). Lowe was signed to bench Andy and Devlin signed to partner McKenna. Prior to filling in for Shinnie he took over from an injured Reynolds. He's a back up that has stepped in when needed. He tries really hard but he's limited and your last line is spot on - he should be a bench player who fills in only when needed.

Modern day Brian Irvine?? Loads of heart and effort, fans favorite, a few goals, but plenty of mistakes and very limited.
Title: Re: County vs Dons
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 12, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
Some opinions on Considine haven't changed since the start... because they were spot on to begin with. This was from almost 12 years ago: -

When he plays well I think it's fair to say that he's a better player/prospect than Anderson was at that stage of his career. Of course that doesn't mean he'll turn into a similar player Russell became, but I think the potential is there. However, how long can we go with the guy making some horrendous errors?  I think he should be played as a centre half and a centre half only. He's getting shifted about the defence and it's not fair on the guy.

He is what he is. You don't win leagues with guys like him in the team.