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Title: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 10, 2019, 08:44:17 AM
Couldn't find a thread for it. Even one for discussing how shite it is.

Anyway, pleasantly surprised by the action so far in the wifie's world cup. Some decent fitba. Good technique generally speaking. Keepers improving. Slow-paced at times and I reckon they could shorten the pitch to make it better (especially these world cup pitches which are hampden sized). Otherwise, quite enjoyed it. VAR aside, which is clearly as pish in women's fitba as it is in men's.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: BigAl on June 10, 2019, 10:17:54 AM
Good man starting a thread on this as had meant to but just never got around to it Rico.
Like you been reasonably impressed with what's been on show so far.
Agree that pitch could be smaller to add excitement to the game.

Very impressed with how far Scotland have progressed.
Fitness level looked really good as well yesterday and stuck to their task against the supposed third best team in women's football.

Play with the same attitude in the next two games and they might just achieve something the mens team have never done and get through the first phase.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 10, 2019, 12:47:36 PM
Couldn't find a thread for it. Even one for discussing how shite it is.

Anyway, pleasantly surprised by the action so far in the wifie's world cup. Some decent fitba. Good technique generally speaking. Keepers improving. Slow-paced at times and I reckon they could shorten the pitch to make it better (especially these world cup pitches which are hampden sized). Otherwise, quite enjoyed it. VAR aside, which is clearly as pish in women's fitba as it is in men's.

First thing I thought when I caught a bit of the Scotland game yesterday was that it would be better with a smaller pitch.

The problem the women's game has is that the "product" (to coin a phrase) is so diluted because of the amount of fitba on telly that most folk will only watch the highest quality that is available to them.  The season is finished and we are in the second week of June yet you could probably have watched a live game every day for the last week if you really wanted to which is ridiculous.

For me the quality of the women's game is just ok but after watching the players on show in the champions league and europa league finals it is a bit like switching on to the MLS on Sky or Australian league on BT Sport, it just does not tempt me enough to sit and watch it for an hour and a half.

The BBC and Sky are getting so obsessed with being politically correct we are being bombarded with women's sport from all directions.  The last week or so I have seen adverts for netball, women's cricket, women's fitba and women's golf.  Not against equal opportunities or whatever you want to call it but is there really an appetite for all of this?  I did not sign up to pay sky £50 a month to watch fuckin netball.  :hammer:

Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Tyrant on June 10, 2019, 01:08:33 PM
I watched England v Scotland yesterday which was a first for me because I'd never watched a women's game before. I also felt the pitch could be smaller and also the goals. Although I can't think of any other sport where the dimensions of the playing area change when the women play and no doubt they'd be offended anyway. "WE'RE AS FIT AS THE MEN!" etc. Da ken about that. Certainly not as fast but that's ok. It can still be entertaining I suppose. But as Kiriakov said next to the CL it looks worse than it maybe is. Mens England v Switzerland and then Holland v Portugal were both shite also so maybe I'm being harsh.

I heard a quite scathing comment from an American player (whose name escapes me) about how football was still chauvinist because of the gulf in pay between men and women. This is a different debate entirely. My take on it is this. I'm all for fair pay but fair pay isn't necessarily parity. Female tennis players (at Grand Slams at least) get the same as the men despite drawing a fraction of the money into the game. That's not even taking into account that they have to play less tennis (for obvious reasons admittedly). Next we'll be demanding that male porn stars earn the same as their female counterparts despite not drawing the money!
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 10, 2019, 02:33:11 PM
The BBC and Sky are getting so obsessed with being politically correct we are being bombarded with women's sport from all directions.  The last week or so I have seen adverts for netball, women's cricket, women's fitba and women's golf.  Not against equal opportunities or whatever you want to call it but is there really an appetite for all of this?  I did not sign up to pay sky £50 a month to watch fuckin netball.  :hammer:

That's not political correctness. The BBC is supposed to be impartial, so giving more coverage to women these days is a nod to that impartiality. Sky will do whatever makes them money as a private company. If they can sell shit to birds at a greater rate than that lost through blokes not wanting their channels contaminated then they'll absolutely do it. Furthermore, the investment in the women's game has gone through the roof in England, and sponsors will demand - and get - their air time.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 10, 2019, 04:50:00 PM
Just cannot get interested. Would rather watch an U15 loons game tbh

Reason....same as I wouldnt watch Eastenders or Corrie. Utter tripe.


As for being politically correct....yeah I think that is partally what's going on. Don't think we will see men's netball getting an airing anytime soon

Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on June 13, 2019, 09:04:07 AM
Furthermore, the investment in the women's game has gone through the roof in England, and sponsors will demand - and get - their air time.
Nonsense. That's cart before horse, if there's airtime, and then appropriate footfall, sponsors will follow, and amount sponsored will increase. They won't sponsor something nobody will watch.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 13, 2019, 09:09:42 AM
I watched women's football last night for the first time ever (was working on Sunday so missed the auld enemy game). I only lasted to HT of the France Norway game. It was probably the last time I'll watch the beautiful game being played by females.

It will be good if the market is there and opportunities are available to girls all over the world. I certainly won't be in the audience for a very simple reason; the standard is shite.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 13, 2019, 09:42:06 AM
Nonsense. That's cart before horse, if there's airtime, and then appropriate footfall, sponsors will follow, and amount sponsored will increase. They won't sponsor something nobody will watch.

It's already happened. Barclays gave England women's fitba £10M for example. EPL teams are giving money to their female counterparts and so on. They are all looking for "first-mover" advantage as nearly always happens in sponsorship deals. Someone takes a punt and that punt is - often - turned into real following as the investment is used to improve marketing, quality etc etc.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: hebrew on June 13, 2019, 07:24:06 PM
I'm in Rennes now with 2 of my daughters for the Japan v Scotland match tomorrow.

World Cup match in a beautiful country with sunshine, champagne and cheese, what's not to love  ;)


Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: BigAl on June 13, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
I'm in Rennes now with 2 of my daughters for the Japan v Scotland match tomorrow.

World Cup match in a beautiful country with sunshine, champagne and cheese, what's not to love  ;)

Have a great trip missus  :thumbsup:

Are you there for the Argentina game as well ?
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: hebrew on June 13, 2019, 07:58:05 PM
Thanks Al

No just here till Monday evening
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Jute on June 13, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
Thanks Al

No just here till Monday evening


Mind no swimming in the fountains.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 13, 2019, 08:24:43 PM
As much as I find the product soporific, the manager Shelley Kerr has really impressed me and I hope that she gets a well deserved try out at a league club. Obviously the top teams wouldn't take that risk but something around mid Championship level should definitely take the risk. And if she did well at that level.....then your Motherwell's etc start to take notice.


Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Kowalski on June 13, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
It’s the first time I’ve seen any women’s football since Richard Foster played for us.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: tlg1903 on June 14, 2019, 08:11:22 AM
Have a great time Hebrew.

Re standard comments, football is football.  If I cared about standard I wouldn't watch, let alone love, Scottish football.....
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Jute on June 14, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
As much as I find the product soporific, the manager Shelley Kerr has really impressed me and I hope that she gets a well deserved try out at a league club. Obviously the top teams wouldn't take that risk but something around mid Championship level should definitely take the risk. And if she did well at that level.....then your Motherwell's etc start to take notice.

Shelly Kerr was manager at Stirling Uni in the Lowland League prior to getting the Scotland gig.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: BigAl on June 14, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
Bad first half for Scotland and currently two down at start of second half :'(
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 14, 2019, 03:30:21 PM
Eye bleeding stuff. "nd game in a row they've had a really soft penalty given against them but you can just see that their brains are thinking the right thing but their feet just cannot act on the idea


Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 14, 2019, 03:45:41 PM
Pull one back...stunning strike actually but only 2 minutes to go...too little too late methinks
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 15, 2019, 03:20:46 PM
Now I've finally found a women's game that I'm actually loving....Holland v Cameroon. The quality is really just as bad as the rest but theyre having a right old go at each other and in some cases actively trying to put the opposition in hospital  :laughing:
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Tyrant on June 17, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
Now I've finally found a women's game that I'm actually loving....Holland v Cameroon. The quality is really just as bad as the rest but theyre having a right old go at each other and in some cases actively trying to put the opposition in hospital  :laughing:


Watched the whole game. Quite enjoyed it. How that was only a yellow card I have no idea! Reminded me of one that Ryan Jack was on the end of which was obviously never a red!  ;) :cardyellow:

Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: tom_widdows on June 19, 2019, 09:44:27 PM
Interesting to see some of theScotland women's team are as thick/ petulant as their male counterparts.

3-0 up and cruising, Concede 2 and then rather than go for the throat and get the 2 goal lead that they need back they resort to timewasting and not even being clever about it.

looks like the Argies will get a penalty now
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 19, 2019, 11:08:44 PM
Interesting to see some of theScotland women's team are as thick/ petulant as their male counterparts.

3-0 up and cruising, Concede 2 and then rather than go for the throat and get the 2 goal lead that they need back they resort to timewasting and not even being clever about it.

looks like the Argies will get a penalty now

That was the most horrendous ending to a game of fitba ever. Scotland obviously fucked it like, but 6 minutes to VAR an obvious fucking penalty, then to bring it back when the keeper makes a save because they were half a yard over the line and finally play 4 minutes of stoppage time, ignoring the entire time taken for VAR. It was stupidly bad. I'd have chinned the ref had I been on that pitch. I'd be asking for a replay it was that bad. A terrible advert for the bird's game, caused by fucking about with the rules. Shove VAR up yer hoop, it's fucking awful (offsides excepted of course, as they can be calculated by a computer). I've never seen a keeper save a penalty when on their line, nor attempt to. If someone can find a clip of a keeper anywhere in the world, ever, saving a pen without going beyond their line I'll give them a virtual pint. It's fucking ludicrous. Thank fuck they're dicking about with this in the birds game.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 19, 2019, 11:26:10 PM
Feel for the quines but only Scotland could find a way to lose a 3 goal lead with 18 to play. Horrendous defending for all 3 Argie goals and comedy goalkeeping for the second.

Ref should be fired though. Totally lost control at the end and how the 6 minutes to VAR wasn't added on just baffles me.

It's still shite though
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: hebrew on June 19, 2019, 11:42:22 PM
That was the most horrendous ending to a game of fitba ever. Scotland obviously fucked it like, but 6 minutes to VAR an obvious fucking penalty, then to bring it back when the keeper makes a save because they were half a yard over the line and finally play 4 minutes of stoppage time, ignoring the entire time taken for VAR. It was stupidly bad. I'd have chinned the ref had I been on that pitch. I'd be asking for a replay it was that bad. A terrible advert for the bird's game, caused by fucking about with the rules. Shove VAR up yer hoop, it's fucking awful (offsides excepted of course, as they can be calculated by a computer). I've never seen a keeper save a penalty when on their line, nor attempt to. If someone can find a clip of a keeper anywhere in the world, ever, saving a pen without going beyond their line I'll give them a virtual pint. It's fucking ludicrous. Thank fuck they're dicking about with this in the birds game.

Most of this  ;D
Gutted for the girls but fucks sake get some subs on to play out the game!!
I actually hate Var!!
And I hate to say this but the standard of the female referees has been appalling!!

Rennes was fabulous and a lovely afternoon in Paris tho  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Jute on June 20, 2019, 12:31:55 AM
That was the most horrendous ending to a game of fitba ever. Scotland obviously fucked it like, but 6 minutes to VAR an obvious fucking penalty, then to bring it back when the keeper makes a save because they were half a yard over the line and finally play 4 minutes of stoppage time, ignoring the entire time taken for VAR. It was stupidly bad. I'd have chinned the ref had I been on that pitch. I'd be asking for a replay it was that bad. A terrible advert for the bird's game, caused by fucking about with the rules. Shove VAR up yer hoop, it's fucking awful (offsides excepted of course, as they can be calculated by a computer). I've never seen a keeper save a penalty when on their line, nor attempt to. If someone can find a clip of a keeper anywhere in the world, ever, saving a pen without going beyond their line I'll give them a virtual pint. It's fucking ludicrous. Thank fuck they're dicking about with this in the birds game.

Pretty sure the rule changes on handball and penalties will be in from the start of this season in the men’s game as well.

Scotland made an arse of tonight by not making substitutions as soon as they went 3-0 up to seen the game out. Bad game management is the reason the women’s team got knocked tonight.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Stewart on June 20, 2019, 09:58:08 AM
Pretty sure the rule changes on handball and penalties will be in from the start of this season in the men’s game as well.

Scotland made an arse of tonight by not making substitutions as soon as they went 3-0 up to seen the game out. Bad game management is the reason the women’s team got knocked tonight.

McInnes in!

Suppose the keeper thing will be harder to judge without VAR so shouldn't happen too often in Scotland just yet.

EPL might be a good laugh next season though.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Tyrant on June 20, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
That was the most horrendous ending to a game of fitba ever. Scotland obviously fucked it like, but 6 minutes to VAR an obvious fucking penalty, then to bring it back when the keeper makes a save because they were half a yard over the line and finally play 4 minutes of stoppage time, ignoring the entire time taken for VAR. It was stupidly bad. I'd have chinned the ref had I been on that pitch. I'd be asking for a replay it was that bad. A terrible advert for the bird's game, caused by fucking about with the rules. Shove VAR up yer hoop, it's fucking awful (offsides excepted of course, as they can be calculated by a computer). I've never seen a keeper save a penalty when on their line, nor attempt to. If someone can find a clip of a keeper anywhere in the world, ever, saving a pen without going beyond their line I'll give them a virtual pint. It's fucking ludicrous. Thank fuck they're dicking about with this in the birds game.


Said exactly the same to my mrs. As much as Scotland were our own worst enemy at times yesterday it's not unfair to say that we've been the victims of some fucking brutal spasticated officiating. Although I feel that VAR isn't the problem. It's the spastics in charge of it that are the issue.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 20, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Although I feel that VAR isn't the problem. It's the spastics in charge of it that are the issue.

But that is VAR's problem. If Willie Collum is Scotland's best ref then there are 5 other cunts that are significantly worse than him sitting in the VAR room when that fucker is on the pitch. It's systemically bad. It just doesn't work. The notion that you can only use VAR for clear and obvious errors is completely flawed too. As soon as VAR is called for when the Tims don't get a pen and then not called for when the Huns don't get a pen then the whole thing becomes a conspiracy because "who defines that a decision is a clear and obvious error? It then resolves none of the problems that it is supposedly designed to get around by replacing one controversy with another. You change it to a "X no of challenges" model then that number just keeps on increasing, the types of incident that can be reviewed get added to (a throw-in given the wrong way that leads to a goal) and an increase in the number of "false calls" used to waste time or just simply put pressure on a ref to overturn a decision that doesn't really need overturned. It'll be gamed as much as anything else. It's sky sports wankery.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: manc_don on June 20, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
VAR can be great but can be incredibly frustrating.  The call for the pen was correct, another angle shows how far off her line she was (unless the image being shared is incorrect).

The issue is that VAR often doesn't take context into account, so challenges can look rash if they don't have the right angles or check before or after the challenge.  A case in point was last season, a nix player slipped after being pushed and didn't actually make much contact, but because the right angles weren't used and the incident only showed him sliding into another player, he got a red.  It was a yellow, at worst because he was out of control, but it was a situation that wasn't of his making.  You'll get used to this level of frustration.

Aussie refs are bad, but Scottish refs are way worse. Next season is going to be chaos.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 21, 2019, 09:42:21 AM
Almost every time I have seen a game with a VAR decision it has been a shambles.  It was meant to be brought in for clear cut issues that the referee might have got wrong but for whatever reason it seems to always be extremely borderline decisions that are being viewed which are massively open to interpretation. 

The other night I was convinced the Scotland one was a penalty from the outset and Scott Booth in commentary felt the same.  Yet after watching it about half a dozen times I was half thinking that the defender might have made contact with the ball.  It just seems to play tricks on the mind the more you slow the video down and replay if time and time again.

I don't like VAR at all in its current form.  It appears to be causing even more controversy when it was meant to be eliminating it.

It is almost at the stage where you might as well just get rid of the referee on the pitch.  In the game the other night the referee did not notice either the original foul for the penalty or the infringement by the keeper and the game was continuing to be played on.  It's just plain stupid.  We're going to end up looking at every single incident in a game and play about 20 minutes of added time (or 5 minutes if we get the same ref from the other night  ;D)
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Madbadteacher on June 21, 2019, 06:29:11 PM
Noticed that the EEEpil were quick to announce that, on the back of this, VAR winna be used for goalies/penalties in their league  :rofl:
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 25, 2019, 09:29:41 PM
Well well, I tuned into this Holland v Japan QF 20 minutes ago and it's wonderful. These players are well organised and have excellent technical skills. They make the beautiful game look beautiful.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 26, 2019, 01:35:12 PM
Well well, I tuned into this Holland v Japan QF 20 minutes ago and it's wonderful. These players are well organised and have excellent technical skills. They make the beautiful game look beautiful.

The dinked ball for the jap equaliser was sublime. Difficult not to overhit that type of pass.

The winning pen was a farce and another example of how dicking about with the rules is ruining things. In this case the handball rule.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 26, 2019, 09:18:29 PM
The dinked ball for the jap equaliser was sublime. Difficult not to overhit that type of pass.

The winning pen was a farce and another example of how dicking about with the rules is ruining things. In this case the handball rule.

I didn't see that as I missed the first half. The second half was class football. So few mistakes and so scarce in unforced errors that it flowed beautifully. So hard on Japan but the Dutch showed enough quality football that it was always going to boil down to one incident, especially as the clock wore on.

Great analysis too from the girls. Japan did lack a ruthless killer in front of goal. Possibly karma for all the inhumane killing and torture they did in the POW camps in the 1940's. Am I allowed to say that?
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: manc_don on June 27, 2019, 01:31:00 AM
I didn't see that as I missed the first half. The second half was class football. So few mistakes and so scarce in unforced errors that it flowed beautifully. So hard on Japan but the Dutch showed enough quality football that it was always going to boil down to one incident, especially as the clock wore on.

Great analysis too from the girls. Japan did lack a ruthless killer in front of goal. Possibly karma for all the inhumane killing and torture they did in the POW camps in the 1940's. Am I allowed to say that?

By that logic, the Germans should always lose. As should the Russians.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: RicoS321 on June 27, 2019, 09:04:47 AM
I didn't see that as I missed the first half. The second half was class football. So few mistakes and so scarce in unforced errors that it flowed beautifully. So hard on Japan but the Dutch showed enough quality football that it was always going to boil down to one incident, especially as the clock wore on.

Great analysis too from the girls. Japan did lack a ruthless killer in front of goal. Possibly karma for all the inhumane killing and torture they did in the POW camps in the 1940's. Am I allowed to say that?

 :thumbsup:

Don't worry, the plucky little English will put everyone in their place. From the Americas, to India, to Africa and the Middle East they're known for their sympathetic treatment of the little guy. If there was ever a team that deserved succes, it's England.
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: donsdaft on June 27, 2019, 06:13:44 PM
Well I haven’t watched any of it and I probably won’t.
But I did see the press worrying about how their girls were going to cope with the heat in their next game.
The Norwegians will of course be far more acclimatised to warm weather.

Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: Ten Caat on June 28, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
Nothing else on TV so watching France v USA. 5 mins stoppage time just started, USA 2-1 up. Been a decent watch tbf and England get the winners. Fairly certain either of these teams will take care of them
Title: Re: Women's fitba
Post by: BigAl on June 29, 2019, 06:04:21 AM
Nothing else on TV so watching France v USA. 5 mins stoppage time just started, USA 2-1 up. Been a decent watch tbf and England get the winners. Fairly certain either of these teams will take care of them

Was thinking exactly the same as your last sentence whilst watching it as well.
ITV morning news programme (cannae mind fit its called) was bad enough on Friday morning, but God help us if The Female Guffies get through to the final ::)