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Title: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 04, 2019, 06:38:23 PM
Can't quite believe we're almost at the end of the Season, have to say, It has flew in, I know there is still a good few weeks left, but the Manager will be thinking about next season for sure.

The likelihood is that GMS & Shinnie will be off, they'd surely have agreed an extension by now if they weren't? McKenna may have more interest and may leave, Stewart will go, Lowe will go, Gleeson ( Still not had a fair crack of the whip in my opinion ) will more than likely go also, Forrester already off the books, Hoban sadly injured, Reynolds off to Dundee United ( All the best ) James Wilson (  ??? )  we will be rather light yet again.

We're a good amount of players down. What are the key positions that we need to address? Will we finally expand our scouting network?

This is arguably the most difficult task, in terms of recruitment, that McInnes will face.



Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 04, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
Definitely a huge rebuilding job to be done. McKenna likely to be gone but we will be furnished with  big fat cheque for £6 million.....maybe a bit more if we can get 2 or more clubs into a bidding war......although the vast majority of it will go on the new stadium. McInnes will get a million of it to spend on 2 or 3 players.

I don't think Gleeson will be offski as you predict. He's bound to be one of our top 5 paid players so on £4k plus/week. Don't see many EFL clubs wanting to take him on that kind of wage when he has featured so little for us and when his ability to play a full 90 minutes effective is seriously in question.

If Derby go up (doubtful but possible) they will access funds that will probably enable Lampard to sign a whole new first 11. On that basis Lowe might just become available for a permanent transfer, especially as they have 4 further left backs on their books who were all considered ahead of him ( 2 are out with long term injuries but should be back by the start of the new season). By all accounts he loves it up here and we should definitely at least ask the question.

We will need a first choice left sided CH. I'd go for Jason Kerr at ST J though he won't be cheap having just signed a new contract there. We know that we have certainly offered his team mate Shaughnessy a contract. You would have thought he would have snapped it up by now as it will be way higher than St J can offer....I wonder if he wants a guarantee of being first choice. Devlin would be his direct challenger for that spot. And his injury absence has been worrying to say the least....

Obviously we will need a replacement for Wilson. Stewart? No idea what McInnes is thinking regarding him. His performances don't warrant a contract offer but DM sees something in him that most everyone else doesn't. If the sevco rumour is true that is where he will be heading but I really don't think it is.

Ball I think will take up our offer. He will likely replace Shinnie on a 1 for 1 basis, but young Campbell will for sure get a lot more first team exposure next season and should relegate Ball to being a squad player by the start of season 20/21, perhaps even a wee bit sooner.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 04, 2019, 11:05:12 PM
It's an unenviable task like. We reached a high point a couple of seasons back when we were banging in goals for fun and got ourselves a record points total. Each transfer window since we've regressed. It's making it harder and harder each summer to replace those who are leaving. Shinnie will be a massive loss. One of the best midfielders in the league and will be the equivalent of losing Hayes a couple of years back. GMS has, unfortunately, been unreliable (and brilliant, at times). Max Lowe is also huge. I'm not convinced we'll be able to keep him and I think that will destroy the balance in our team.

It's going to be a further summer of getting numbers in. It's a big turnover. Not only is it a big turnover, but there's a huge question mark over those who remain. May and Gleeson are three who I'd rather have an alternative in place but I think with their contracts as they are then we'll struggle to offload. Paying off Gleeson would be money well spent as he'll get a contract somewhere else and we can just pay the difference; he won't want to hang around here and he's behind Campbell at the moment (although I think he might play on Saturday as McInnes tries out options for the semi as Campbell clearly wasn't ready). I'd like to see May offloaded too, but I think we'll have to keep him just to avoid having to sign even more players.

We have to be pragmatic, so I'd definitely keep Stewart if available because he's a decent player who we can get more out of. Most importantly, he's a known quantity. I'd also keep Ball on the same basis. That leaves us still to sign a Left back, a centre half (or two if McKenna leaves), a central midfielder (I disagree with TC, Ball wouldn't even be a tenth of a replacement of Shinnie - although I suspect that wasn't you stating your preference just what you think might happen), at least one wide player and a striker as a minimum

That's a minimum of 5 first 11 players that we need, which is huge. At roughly 50% success rate (which would be an improvement) then we're looking at 10 players in during the summer. That's a real problem.

With Wright an unused sub for Dundee last night then it doesn't look like we're getting back a ready made first teamer either, but Anderson seems to be progressing nicely and will hopefully take the place of May as first sub up front (I think Cosgrove has his limitations too, but I think we have to go with him).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 05, 2019, 06:43:07 AM
Scary stuff, we will be as threadbare as fuck!

Left Back is massive, we can't go with Considine as our 1st choice LB next season, as good a servant as the guy has been, he should be kept as a squad player only who can cover CB, or even LB in an emergency. I'd like to see us ffer Killie a fee for their LB, Greg Taylor, pretty energetic and pacy, would fit in nicely. That is only if we have zero chance in getting Lowe back.

Centre Back, well IF McKenna does go, I'd have said the lad Halkett at Livingston would have been my choice to replace him, only 23, would have been free, a unit and knows the league, but he's Hearts bound. On the other hand, if Hoban was to be released by Watford, I'd love us to sign him permanently, albeit he's a risk, but he's a class act and we could also add Shaughnessy if he agrees the pre-contract, keeping the numbers up.

Rico, regarding Shinnie, you are correct, there was a stage this season where I was really frustrated with him, he was under-performing and he looked down and unhappy, but he's back to the tenacious, driving midfielder that will absolutely be missed & will definitely be hard to replace. Could we lure Mulumbu away from Celtic? He's clearly not in their plans and at his age, you'd think he'd want 1st team football over a bigger wage, he's already had that down south, so surely the attraction of 1st team football, and still a decent enough wage, could lure him?

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 05, 2019, 08:27:59 AM
Am I right in saying that Considine is out of contract this summer? If so, surprised he hasn’t been offered an extension, McInnes seems to love him.

The Sun is saying we’re trying to get Curtis Main from Motherwell and tried to sign him in January.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on April 05, 2019, 09:20:03 AM
Massive rebuilding job ahead of McInnes this summer.

Summary of today's rumblings from the tabloids

McInnes about ready to give up on the attempt to get Shug on a pre contract
As Slim says above we're after Main on freedom of contract (no thank you from me)
Apparently we have offered Stewart a FOUR YEAR contract but he will be announced as a HUN in the next twenty four hours on a three year deal.

Make of it all as you will :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 05, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
curtis main another non scoring forward tremendous, my only concern is I would have thought we would have maybe a few on pre contract already , certainly wouldnt be offering stewart a 4 year contract
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on April 06, 2019, 09:34:16 PM
If there is any possible chance of us getting Lowe on a permanent , we have to pursue it, quality player . Same regards Hoban (although a risk) we should go for him.
  Strange how we havnt heard back from Joe S from St.J, probably wants to be guaranteed a place every week.  We need more striking options i feel & a playmaking midfielder.
Dont think we will see GMS in a dons shirt again & it looks like Shinnie (who looks back to his best) will be off. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 06, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
Problem with Hoban is that it's unlikely he will be fit for the start of next season ( there is also a fair chance he might never be fit enough to play ever again). Whilst Watford certainly wont be offering him a new contract, I'm certain they will allow him to use their medical, physio and training facilities until such point as the loon will be able to say for certain that he will or won't be able to play again. With cruciate injuries it's considered 9 months plus out so the earliest he would be in a position to play would be November.

We really couldn't risk giving him a contract in summer in the hope that he will be fit at some point. Only once he is fit to do full training would it be worth the risk. But even then he would have to accept a very low basic wage but with appearance bonuses on a contract that (at least initially) would only run till the end of next season. On the money he is used to being on at Watford, he might not find that too attractive a proposition (of course he will probably find his options very limited anyway).

The boy is obviously a talent but has suffered horrendous luck with injuries. I'd like to think we could get him onboard once he's fit but as things stand I'd say it's very doubtful we will see him wearing the red shirt ever again.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 07, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
Alan Nixon on Twitter just said that Derby are leading the race to sign Shinnie on a pre-contract, with Wigan also interested. Alan is pretty much on the money the majority of the time.

I am absolutely certain that he won't be with us next season, you always have that cautious optimism when it's one of your best players, but if the likes of Derby are interested, then you'd have to concede defeat.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 07, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
Got to be a no to Hoban, we've got to stop signing crocks. May, Wilson, Devlin, Hoban......not doing the team any good.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 08, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Alan Nixon on Twitter just said that Derby are leading the race to sign Shinnie on a pre-contract, with Wigan also interested. Alan is pretty much on the money the majority of the time.

I am absolutely certain that he won't be with us next season, you always have that cautious optimism when it's one of your best players, but if the likes of Derby are interested, then you'd have to concede defeat.

Resigned to losing Shinnie. Good luck to him if he moves down there, I was never one for presuming he was going to the Huns.

All gone quiet on the GMS front, perhaps a chance that given his injury situation that teams might back off and he'll sign up again? Wouldn't be averse to it but, as with all our wingers, we need better consistency from him.

Hoping we have more signings like Lowe, Ferguson, Devlin, Cosgrove this summer rather than Gleeson and Wilson types.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 08, 2019, 08:54:07 AM
Held off from commenting on this thread for a while. Wanted to have a proper think of what has annoyed me this season.  If we thought last summer was a big one, this one is huge. DM hasn't shown he's got the knowledge or creativity to do what is needed.  There are so many holes across the board that now need to be filled that it almost makes it impossible to maintain the level we've been used to. Of course it remains to be seen if he'll be here next season too.

We need another forward, that most certainly is not Wilson.  We need two central midfielders (creative and enforcer that shinnie has been doing) and at least one winger. I'd like to see Lowe re-sign (obviously, on loan or permanently) and get another RB.  Logan has been unreliable at best over the past couple of seasons.  Love him as a player and a character, but really don't know if his hearts in it anymore.  Not sure if we'll see McKenna go this summer, he's hardly set the heather alight since Jan. A lot of basic errors, which are probably down to inexperience.  There's talent there, but I think we'd be extremely lucky to see £5m for him.

I agree with KNS, got to be a no to Hoban.  No doubting his ability but we really can't afford to have someone who is made of glass. Costs us a fortune.

If Shinnie does go to Derby, I wish him well. We'll miss his drive and passion massively next season. I'd much rather he go there than anywhere else in Scotland.  He's better than Wigan.

Still not sure if I have confidence in DM to do what's necessary. Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 08, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
If we thought last summer was a big one, this one is huge. DM hasn't shown he's got the knowledge or creativity to do what is needed. 

Don't know if I agree with that - Ferguson, Devlin, Lowe and Cosgrove have all joined in the last year or so and are exactly what have been required - a few of them have been plucked from nowhere. You'll always get Gleeson, Forrester and Wilson type signings, but the bigger crime would be to persisting with them out of bloody mindedness and not giving the likes of Ferguson and Campbell the game time they've seen. The shite will be moved on as soon as possible, as has always been the case under DM.

DM has also been fairly clear that an improved scouting network is what he'd like to see prioritised once the funding for the training ground/stadium is in place.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 08, 2019, 03:41:18 PM
Don't know if I agree with that - Ferguson, Devlin, Lowe and Cosgrove have all joined in the last year or so and are exactly what have been required - a few of them have been plucked from nowhere.

Agree about Ferguson and Cosgrove. Lowe to an extent ( been excellent but at the end of the day he's a loan and as things stand will be returning to his parent club next month).

Devlin looked the pick of the bunch when the season started. However it has to be remembered he was injured long term when he joined us and spent 6 months getting himself fit. We got 3 very good months out of him, deservedly getting a Scotland call up only to return from it injured (not even in a match). Followed by another near 3 months out and since considered "fit" to return has mainly been a substitute and when called on to play has been nowhere near the standards set at the start of the season. I think in view of this, plus his previous injury history, the jury must remain firmly out. ( As I've said before, our ultimately unsuccessful pursuit of Shaughnessy seems very suspicious)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 08, 2019, 05:26:30 PM
Don't know if I agree with that - Ferguson, Devlin, Lowe and Cosgrove have all joined in the last year or so and are exactly what have been required - a few of them have been plucked from nowhere. You'll always get Gleeson, Forrester and Wilson type signings, but the bigger crime would be to persisting with them out of bloody mindedness and not giving the likes of Ferguson and Campbell the game time they've seen. The shite will be moved on as soon as possible, as has always been the case under DM.

DM has also been fairly clear that an improved scouting network is what he'd like to see prioritised once the funding for the training ground/stadium is in place.

I hadn't heard Deek mentioning that before, that's interesting. It is the one area he appears to have done zero work on since arriving at the club. Every other department seems to have at least one DM appointment in it. It's pretty fundamental though.

You're right that you always get Gleeson-type signings, however it is the volume of them and the glaringly obvious nature that strikes me as bordering on incompetent. Different players respond differently to the environment of course, but guys like Forrester, Maynard, Tansey etc were clearly never going to be of the standard. Yer Wilson and Gleeson are easier mistakes to make as they've got something about them and have attributes that would suit them to our game, and I accept that 2 or 3 mistakes will be made in each summer window. Really, a 50-60% return should be viable and I don't think that we've been close to that in the last 2-3 seasons (about 5 windows, which shows a repeated failure). With each passing window we've got weaker and weaker. With such a huge turnover due in the summer then that will inevitably be the case again.

However, I do believe it is systemic within AFC so I'm not convinced a new manager would suddenly start picking up gems once their initial stock (from previous employment) wears thin. We can't expect everything from our manager, the club needs the set up to back him and I think we're way short.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on April 09, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
I see Tony Watt is leaving St.Johnstone soon??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 09, 2019, 01:56:28 AM
I hadn't heard Deek mentioning that before, that's interesting. It is the one area he appears to have done zero work on since arriving at the club. Every other department seems to have at least one DM appointment in it. It's pretty fundamental though.

You're right that you always get Gleeson-type signings, however it is the volume of them and the glaringly obvious nature that strikes me as bordering on incompetent. Different players respond differently to the environment of course, but guys like Forrester, Maynard, Tansey etc were clearly never going to be of the standard. Yer Wilson and Gleeson are easier mistakes to make as they've got something about them and have attributes that would suit them to our game, and I accept that 2 or 3 mistakes will be made in each summer window. Really, a 50-60% return should be viable and I don't think that we've been close to that in the last 2-3 seasons (about 5 windows, which shows a repeated failure). With each passing window we've got weaker and weaker. With such a huge turnover due in the summer then that will inevitably be the case again.

However, I do believe it is systemic within AFC so I'm not convinced a new manager would suddenly start picking up gems once their initial stock (from previous employment) wears thin. We can't expect everything from our manager, the club needs the set up to back him and I think we're way short.

Agree with most of what you've written, pretty much how I was viewing things before I'd commented.  But the bit in bold, certainly felt like that with the striker situation and why we ended up with May instead of moult. But i'd question the spending of 400k on May in the first place. Think he (DM) probably deserves a window with a proper budget to see what he can do, but again, we'll probably fall short, and so will DM.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 09, 2019, 06:47:51 AM
I don't think I trust McInnes with a bigger tranfer budget. I think his past couple of windows have been pretty poor and hasn't really improved the squad. I know it is not an easy job trying to pick up the next big thing on our tight budget with every other club doing the same thing, but it shouldn't stop us trying, but you need good guys on the ground ensuring the players they highlight fit into our system and will add value to the first team/squad, due consideration should be paid to the youth team to see who realistically can push for first team and also who would benefit from a year playing out on loan, the one plus point this season is seeing our own players get chances, whether that is down to our main signings being poor and not fitting in to our style we can leave for another thread.

Personally I think it is time for a change of manager I think we have come as far as we can with him and he would probably benefit from the change also.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 09, 2019, 09:48:59 AM
steve clarke doesnt need a proper budget but gets more out of his players ...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 09, 2019, 11:27:27 AM
steve clarke doesnt need a proper budget but gets more out of his players ...

I don't think that there is any question that Clarke is the best manager in the league. He's also out of our budget now. Killie pay half as much as us with a similar squad size. Not sure how that is made up in terms of earners, but given that they were matching us in the offer to Stewart it wouldn't be inconceivable to think that they had 4-5 players on similar contracts to some of our first teamers. I would think that Clarke has a far greater success rate with his signings, which makes a huge difference in cutting the gap between the budgets. I imagine that our average wage without Wilson, Hoban, Gleeson and Forrester (vs any crap signings they've made) would be massively reduced. Adding in GMS - missing for half a season - and our expensively assembled first team actually looks quite cheap. It'd be really interesting to get an idea of individual's wages (even just in wage-brackets) so we could actually work out a weighted team cost based on minutes on the pitch. I think our failings in the transfer market would leave us without a huge advantage over Killie. Not only does Clarke get more out of his players, but he gets better value for money on signings than any other team in the league. It's impressive like.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 09, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
but you need good guys on the ground ensuring the players they highlight fit into our system and will add value to the first team/squad

Agree we need good scouts but what is "our system"? I've never seen one.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 09, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
Clarke has done well, no doubt about it but let's not get carried away. He has had one exceptional season by Killie standards but he has not won anything and not qualified for Europe yet either. Pre-Kilmarnock his record as a manager was very mixed, he had not pulled up many trees which is the reason he is at Rugby Park and not somewhere else. Let's see what happens next season when he is forced to rebuild and judge him properly then.

There has been a lot of hype about Clarke but we have had managers up here winning things with the likes of Caley, Ross County and St Johnstone so let's not get too excited by one really good season.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 09, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
I don't think that there is any question that Clarke is the best manager in the league. He's also out of our budget now. Killie pay half as much as us with a similar squad size. Not sure how that is made up in terms of earners, but given that they were matching us in the offer to Stewart it wouldn't be inconceivable to think that they had 4-5 players on similar contracts to some of our first teamers. I would think that Clarke has a far greater success rate with his signings, which makes a huge difference in cutting the gap between the budgets. I imagine that our average wage without Wilson, Hoban, Gleeson and Forrester (vs any crap signings they've made) would be massively reduced. Adding in GMS - missing for half a season - and our expensively assembled first team actually looks quite cheap. It'd be really interesting to get an idea of individual's wages (even just in wage-brackets) so we could actually work out a weighted team cost based on minutes on the pitch. I think our failings in the transfer market would leave us without a huge advantage over Killie. Not only does Clarke get more out of his players, but he gets better value for money on signings than any other team in the league. It's impressive like.

Don't agree about the wages. In the average wages of 2017, we were 3rd highest in SPFL at £2630/week. Killie were down in 8th at £1060/week. They got Stewart on loan on a very cheap contribution to his Birmingham weekly wage of £6k/week. (£1500/week). We were paying £2500/week in his first spell with us. They got him so cheaply as there was nobody else that wanted him!

Admittedly, Clarke got him playing well for him in a system where he was not expected to do any defensive donkey work. That got us interested again and Birmingham (whose financial problems are well publicised) saw an opportunity to get a higher portion of his wages covered again ( rumoured again to be £2.5k/week). Killie obviously saw the value he brought to them and agreed to match our offer but by then the deal was done with us....unsurprisingly with his Birmingham contract coming to an end (and possibly already with the promise of a contract from us in the summer) he chose to rejoin us with the chance to put himself in the shop window at a club with a far higher level of media exposure.

What is undeniable is that Clarke for sure is getting far better value out of his squad and his recruitment "hit or miss" level is far more impressive than Mcinnes'. As you say, he is out of our league now as his next move when he inevitably leaves Killie will be either  to the English Championship as a manager outright or the English Premiership as an assistant......either option on wages far higher than we could get close to ( there is maybe a small chance that Celtic would consider him for their hotseat, especially if Lennon doesn't win them the Scottish Cup).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 09, 2019, 01:20:18 PM
Don't agree about the wages. In the average wages of 2017, we were 3rd highest in SPFL at £2630/week. Killie were down in 8th at £1060/week. They got Stewart on loan on a very cheap contribution to his Birmingham weekly wage of £6k/week. (£1500/week). We were paying £2500/week in his first spell with us. They got him so cheaply as there was nobody else that wanted him!

According to Statista, as at Nov18 we were averaging £138.67pa (3rd), with them on £62.82 (7th). I said double as opposed to 45/100. We're in agreement on Stewart, regardless of the circumstances.

What I meant about them matching wages is that because of our shite signings, several of our first 11 will be on similar wages. Our higher earners like Wilson and Gleeson (presumably, given he was signed as a first 11 players) take the average up whilst sitting on the bench, whereas their higher earners will be on the pitch. Thus their higher earners vs our below average earners will greatly reduce the perceived budget gap. Guys like Jones, Power, Dicker, Broadfoot, Bachmann, O-Donnell will be on similar wages to the likes of Ball, Considine, Ferguson and Cosgrove.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 09, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
Question is if Killie finish above us does that tell us something ? On average we pay double per player per week although given the data it could be more, curiously Killie appear to have more listed first team players than us- might be more reserve/youth playing.

Admittedly Clarke took over in October 2017 and a lot of the signings werent his but then managed to get far more out them than Mcculloch

DM has won one trophy , Clarkes arguably has had 2 good seasons
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 09, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
Question is if Killie finish above us does that tell us something ? On average we pay double per player per week although given the data it could be more, curiously Killie appear to have more listed first team players than us- might be more reserve/youth playing.

Admittedly Clarke took over in October 2017 and a lot of the signings werent his but then managed to get far more out them than Mcculloch

DM has won one trophy , Clarkes arguably has had 2 good seasons

It tells us that Clarke is a better manager, but I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. Regardless of Clarke winning a trophy or not, he's done an excellent job, and he's sustained it beyond just the season that he took over, showing that it wasn't just "new manager bounce". He's significantly better than both Levein and Lennon (tbc Heckingbottom) too which suggests that it's not peculiar to McInnes.

The average is based on total wages/squad size so squad size not totally relevant. As I said, poor signings meant we've probably got a disproportionally expensive bench, which I don't think Killie do to the same extent.

I think the McCulloch - Clarke comparison is no different to the Brown - McInnes one. McInnes took us from 8th - 3rd with a lot of players from the Brown era who he just got to play better along with a few good signings (you could compare Robson with Mulumbu for example). It'll be interesting to see how Clarke gets on with re-building. I expect a lot of his signings to date have been from his recent past (watching, as well as working with). The less time he gets to watch other leagues will mean he has to rely on the Killie scouts a lot more (in the way McInnes has with us). If he has to rely on the judgement of others, I wonder it if will upset the cart a little. I don't know if he's added his own people to that area or not of course.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 11, 2019, 08:42:11 AM
Let's see what happens next season when he is forced to rebuild and judge him properly then.

Absolutely this.

A fairer comparison might be between the first 18 months of Clarke at Killie compared to the first 18 months of McInnes at Aberdeen. We had a trophy in the bag, had shifted right up the league and progressed in Europe. All relative in terms of budgets etc but I certainly wouldn't agree that McInnes comes off second best in that context.

Where McInnes is percieved to have struggled is when he's lost his better players and has struggled to replace them with equivalent quality. When we signed McLean in 2015, as an example, Sevco/Hearts/Hibs were all basket case Championship clubs so we had a relatively free run at getting him. If he was a young player at St Mirren now, we'd have far more competition to sign him and would be a major coup if we did - even Celtic would probably be sniffing around as they stockpile young Scottish players (e.g Morgan)

As McInnes himself has alluded to - replacing Hayes and McLean at their peak with similar level replacements at their peak is difficult. The next best thing is signing guys like Ferguson and giving McLennan/Campbell etc good game time, albeit signings like Forrester have disappointed - but the idea that there's a wealth of ready made Kenny McLeans and Jonny Hayes waiting for us to come and sign which McInnes is ignoring is ridiculous. Clarke will have the same issues which McInnes has when he loses his players en masse - albeit I suspect it'll be even harder for him given Kilmarnock have a smaller budget than we do.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 11, 2019, 08:54:26 AM
Absolutely this.

A fairer comparison might be between the first 18 months of Clarke at Killie compared to the first 18 months of McInnes at Aberdeen. We had a trophy in the bag, had shifted right up the league and progressed in Europe. All relative in terms of budgets etc but I certainly wouldn't agree that McInnes comes off second best in that context.

Where McInnes is percieved to have struggled is when he's lost his better players and has struggled to replace them with equivalent quality. When we signed McLean in 2015, as an example, Sevco/Hearts/Hibs were all basket case Championship clubs so we had a relatively free run at getting him. If he was a young player at St Mirren now, we'd have far more competition to sign him and would be a major coup if we did - even Celtic would probably be sniffing around as they stockpile young Scottish players (e.g Morgan)

As McInnes himself has alluded to - replacing Hayes and McLean at their peak with similar level replacements at their peak is difficult. The next best thing is signing guys like Ferguson and giving McLennan/Campbell etc good game time, albeit signings like Forrester have disappointed - but the idea that there's a wealth of ready made Kenny McLeans and Jonny Hayes waiting for us to come and sign which McInnes is ignoring is ridiculous. Clarke will have the same issues which McInnes has when he loses his players en masse - albeit I suspect it'll be even harder for him given Kilmarnock have a smaller budget than we do.

Excellent post  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on April 11, 2019, 01:42:17 PM
Considine offered new contract allegedly
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 11, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
And Shiinie now in Derby, holding talks with them. Been pictured at their Stadium & BBC Sport Scotland now reporting it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on April 11, 2019, 04:03:09 PM
And Shiinie now in Derby, holding talks with them. Been pictured at their Stadium & BBC Sport Scotland now reporting it.

Sorry to see him go, but by fuck thats a bigger move than I thought he'd get.
Good luck to him, will go with my best wishes
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 11, 2019, 06:13:20 PM
Honestly think if we were in the English Championship we would be pretty much neck and neck with Derby. Guffball is vastly overrated despite the cash.

Obviously if he does sign with them it will secure him financially for life. He's given us the best years of his career and should leave with everyone's best wishes.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 11, 2019, 07:41:21 PM
Agree we need good scouts but what is "our system"? I've never seen one.

A fair question, but I'm fucked if I know. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 11, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
I'll admit I'll miss Shinnie, but if he has to go I do hope it's England.

One of my favourite players for a long time in the Aberdeen jersey and loved his approach and committment.

We haven't replaced either Mclean or Hayes yet, so not holding my breath in replacing Shinnie anytime soon and have no idea who will step up to be captain, I don't think there are many leaders in our team. I would say Logan is the strongest candidate, but I feel is wouldn't help his performaces on the pitch, which haven't been that great overall this season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 11, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
I'll admit I'll miss Shinnie, but if he has to go I do hope it's England.

One of my favourite players for a long time in the Aberdeen jersey and loved his approach and committment.

We haven't replaced either Mclean or Hayes yet, so not holding my breath in replacing Shinnie anytime soon and have no idea who will step up to be captain, I don't think there are many leaders in our team. I would say Logan is the strongest candidate, but I feel is wouldn't help his performaces on the pitch, which haven't been that great overall this season.

Not even convinced Logan will be an automatic choice next season.....we tried to sign Naismith to replace him last summer. The obvious candidate would be McKenna but he might not be around much longer either so....presuming he's fit...I think we will go with Devlin.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 12, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
Apparently we tried to sign a Striker called Adam Le Fondre in the Summer last year but he opted to go to Australia, either that, or we have approached him with a view to signing him this summer, you'll need to forgive me, I saw it on Twitter so never really paid complete attention.

If it's the latter, then he is currently 32yo, plays for Sydney FC and has a pretty decent record from his time in England between 2007 & 2014, since then, the goals haven't been as free flowing. Has a slight tinge of Nicky Maynard about it in that it looks like a McInnes signing. Of course, it could be that we approached him last year so there is nothing in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_le_Fondre


Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on April 12, 2019, 12:44:32 PM

 Shinnie almost a cert for Derby,and the Stewart to the Hun rumour looks true,@£10k per week
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 12, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
Apparently we tried to sign a Striker called Adam Le Fondre in the Summer last year but he opted to go to Australia, either that, or we have approached him with a view to signing him this summer, you'll need to forgive me, I saw it on Twitter so never really paid complete attention.

If it's the latter, then he is currently 32yo, plays for Sydney FC and has a pretty decent record from his time in England between 2007 & 2014, since then, the goals haven't been as free flowing. Has a slight tinge of Nicky Maynard about it in that it looks like a McInnes signing. Of course, it could be that we approached him last year so there is nothing in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_le_Fondre


Le Fondre knows where the goal is and scores plenty of decent goals in the aleague. Hell, i'd happily see him go back to the UK and leave those blue bastards. Remember him being good at Reading too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 12, 2019, 01:17:01 PM
Shinnie almost a cert for Derby,and the Stewart to the Hun rumour looks true,@£10k per week

Just find it strange why if it were true, sevco haven't already got him on a pre-contract to stop us (who I believe are his only serious pursuers) signing him up.

And £10k/week is just ridiculous. He was on £6k/week at Birmingham who would have let him sign for anyone for free the past 2 years if they would cover his wages. No one was interested..... yet sevco are now not only going to match those wages but actually increase them by 66%?????? I can see why sevco might have been interested in Shinnie, purely to deprive us of his services even if he wouldn't have played particularly often due to their surfeit of midfielders competing for a place. Stewart I'd presume would be used as a number 10 which they do have a need for.....but only if they completely abandon their 4/3/3 system that they've used pretty much exclusively since Gerrard was appointed.

As I've said before.....I'll believe it when I see it. I really hope it is true as it will prevent McInnes handing him a 3 or 4 year contract on money close to or matching his Birmingham wages.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on April 12, 2019, 01:23:22 PM
 Good source close to the club,cant name,but understand your scepticism re wages,seems mental,lets see what happens
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 12, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
Happy if Rangers sign him. If the extent of their ambition is the likes of Stewart, Kamara and Jones, they're not going to pull away from us. Unless of course we regress.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 12, 2019, 11:14:03 PM
Happy if Rangers sign him. If the extent of their ambition is the likes of Stewart, Kamara and Jones, they're not going to pull away from us. Unless of course we continue to regress.

 ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 13, 2019, 06:10:19 AM
;)

Well someone had to say it!  ;D :gonk:
Title: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on April 15, 2019, 01:41:02 PM
, 2ish for Cosgrove,
2 pound? That's about it
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 15, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
 8 for mckenna, 2ish for Cosgrove ? seriously ? after recent displays no one will pay 8m for mckenna, guess the bevvy hasnt worn off since yesterday... 2m for cosgrove bid from a chinese club ?
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
2 mill was the chat through the week from Millwall.  He's under contract till 2022 so given age and potential I would say that's probably fair.

As for 8 Mill for McKenna well we have already turned down 6.5. 
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: SeeBass on April 15, 2019, 02:50:10 PM
I've just done a quick check on Loan Players we've had in over this McInnes tenure.

Shaleum Logan, Alan Tate, Michael Hector (2013)
Jeffrey Monakana, Donervon Daniels (2014)
Danny Ward, Ryan McLaughlin, Adam Collin, Simon Church, Josh Parker (2015)
Wes Burns, James Maddison, Ryan Christie (2016)
Freddie Woodman, Chidi Nwakali, Greg Stewart, Dominic Ball, "Kenny McLean", Ryan Christie again!! (2017)
Tommie Hoban, Max Lowe, James Wilson, Greg Stewart once more!!, Dominic Ball for another season!! (2018)

TWENTY ONE DIFFERENT PLAYERS WHICH IRONICALLY AMOUNTS TO THREE AND A HALF PLAYERS A SEASON BECAUSE SOME OF THEM PROBABLY ONLY HALF A PLAYER IN REALITY!!!

I'm not saying this is to blame for anything but when you include below disaster zone also it pretty embarrassing stuff to say the least.

Calvin Zola, Gregg Wylde (2014)
Scott Brown, Andrew Driver (2014-15)
Joe Nutall, Aaron Lennox (2015-16)
Jayden Stockley, Anthony O'Connor, Callum Morris, Miles Storey (2016-2017)
Greg Tansey, Nicky Maynard (2017-18)
Chris Forrester, Stephen Gleeson, Jordan McGregor (2018-19)
 
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 15, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
 very much doubt we turned down that amount.. spin from club  and i guess you are making figures up re cosgrove... god help us if we get that money and give it to DM
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 15, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
Hope you are right TLG if indeed these players were to leave but your figures look pretty optimistic given what players up here normally go for outwith Celtic/Rangers/Sevco.

If we lost all three in the summer I'd expect to we would get something like £4M for McKenna, half a mil for Lewis and between half and a million for Big Sam.  English clubs just don't pay big bucks for players outwith the Glasgow teams.  Good thing is that sell on clauses are becoming the norm and we can maybe start to cash in on players as they move on further down the line like Fraser might.
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: RicoS321 on April 15, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
very much doubt we turned down that amount.. spin from club  and i guess you are making figures up re cosgrove... god help us if we get that money and give it to DM

Agree with this, although I'm not sure if it was club spin or agent spin. It would have been ludicrous to turn down £6M for a dons player. That's the prize funds for 4 second places. I always said that £3.5M would be a good offer for McKenna, and I think we might get slightly more than that in the summer if we're lucky. £750-1000K for Cosgrove would be decent business too, but I see no need to move him on in the summer (we definitely need another striker though).
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
The 2 mill for Cosgrove I heard on sportsound.  Make of it what you will but all things considered it seems about right.  I would wager Cosgroves new deal would be about 3k a week give or take making his overall contract worth about 470k.  Given we don't want to sell him and he's young you can multiply that a few times for final transfer fee.

As for fees paid to Scottish clubs from English John Mcginn went for 2.75 in the final year of his deal.  SM has 4 years left and a lot of teams have been sniffing about him which puts the price up even more.  Add it all up and a deal worth 8 mill doesn't sound particularly steep if you ask me. I could, of course, be wrong but time will tell.  I think we can all agree that we will find out what the club are prepared to accept inside the next 2 months though.

Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Agree with this, although I'm not sure if it was club spin or agent spin. It would have been ludicrous to turn down £6M for a dons player. That's the prize funds for 4 second places. I always said that £3.5M would be a good offer for McKenna, and I think we might get slightly more than that in the summer if we're lucky. £750-1000K for Cosgrove would be decent business too, but I see no need to move him on in the summer (we definitely need another striker though).

Glad your not director of football at afc.  McKenna would be at the San giro if so.....   He's worth way more than 3.5 and it wasn't ludicrous to turn down that offer of 6.5.  It was deadline day the bid came in and we couldn't have replaced him. Given how our defensive injuries went in the first half of the season we would have been completely screwed without McKenna. 
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: RicoS321 on April 15, 2019, 04:21:49 PM
Glad your not director of football at afc.  McKenna would be at the San giro if so.....   He's worth way more than 3.5 and it wasn't ludicrous to turn down that offer of 6.5.  It was deadline day the bid came in and we couldn't have replaced him. Given how our defensive injuries went in the first half of the season we would have been completely screwed without McKenna.

I've not seen any evidence at all that we received an offer of £6.5M for McKenna and I don't believe it for a second. Our director of football would be an idiot if he turned that down, final day or not. McKenna wouldn't have been the difference between us finishing second and fourth given the personnel we had at the start of the season in that position (Hoban, Devlin, Considine, Ball) and we certainly wouldn't have predicted the injuries we suffered. We could have picked up a free transfer like Halford to make up the numbers until January. The risk of McKenna having a poor season or getting injured just wouldn't have been worth the money not received given the average abilities of the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Panda on April 15, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
Have the club themselves not been on record as saying the bid was no-where near £6.5m?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 15, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
Dylan McGeough has been struggling to get into Sunderland's starting 11 in League One, wouldn't be surprised to see him back up the road in the summer, especially if they get promoted. That would be a bread and butter McInnes signing.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 15, 2019, 05:32:50 PM
Would also be a pretty decent one though. I don't think he's as good as Shinnie (despite many suggesting otherwise when he was at Hibs) but he's good and he's good in this league. We can afford a few risks down South but we'll need the tried and tested to ensure that we don't end up massively worse next season. That's not specific to McInnes' ability to sign players either, just a general truism.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on April 15, 2019, 05:41:13 PM
Jamie Walker would probably be another one, nowhere near the first team since signing from Hearts. Similar type of player to Greg Stewart I think.
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: tlg1903 on April 15, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
A month after the fact still reported as 6.5 mill. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45805859

I've never once heard the club say it was less, not saying it didn't happen but I didn't hear it if they did.  Got a source for that?
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Panda on April 15, 2019, 07:09:04 PM
A month after the fact still reported as 6.5 mill. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45805859

I've never once heard the club say it was less, not saying it didn't happen but I didn't hear it if they did.  Got a source for that?

It actually says in your link "reported as £6.5m", which is the writer of that article just stating that reports in other media have said it was £6.5m. They aren't stating it as a fact themselves.

I can't find the link, but I'm fairly sure the club said Villa's offer was not the £6.5m reported at the time, or at the very least wasn't the initial fee (likely loads of add ons and clauses that could potentially have made it that high one day). Stoke offered less than £5m in January, and you wouldn't expect a club to offer less than a bid that has already been rejected. Same with Celtic and their £3.5m bid.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on April 15, 2019, 07:30:30 PM
Dylan McGeough has been struggling to get into Sunderland's starting 11 in League One, wouldn't be surprised to see him back up the road in the summer, especially if they get promoted. That would be a bread and butter McInnes signing.

Mates who support Sunderland say he has played well when in the team but the problem is he has never been fully fit. Missed Saturday due to injury again. Would be surprised if Sunderland would be looking to sell just yet.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 15, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
We offered to make McGeouch our highest paid player last summer but he chose an even bigger wage to go play in EFL1 (granted at a team who really shouldn't be there). Can't seem to stay fit for any length of time. It's a no for me, especially as he would want his wages down there at least matched....topping what we have offered Shinnie to stay.

Walker might be worth taking a punt on but as far as I'm aware has hardly featured at all in 2 years. Was excellent for Hearts but his form seemed to desert him after the proposed sevco move fell through. Maybe take him on loan for 6 months to see if he clicks and take it from there?
Title: Re: Re: Dons - victims - SC semi - Sunday
Post by: Ten Caat on April 15, 2019, 08:14:30 PM
I definitely believe the £6.5 million figure but remember that Villa wanted him on loan till January first before the fee kicked in IF they chose to make the transfer permanent. It would have left us short of a key player with only days to go till the end of the transfer window which is why IIRC we refused the deal.
 
His form all season has been up and down.....but has still collected Scotland caps despite making a few howlers for both club and country. Some folk are saying he is still young and errors can be expected whilst he is still learning. Possibly fair comment but I really do think that whilst there may be interest from clubs down south in summer, I cant see them wanting to pay more than £4-5 million. With Boyata likely offski, can see Celtic returning with a bid in that region.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 16, 2019, 04:00:11 PM
Does anyone know what our numbers will be after the loans expire and the out of contract players leave, as well as the potential McKenna departure, and including the players currently loaned out ( Wright, Ross, Anderson etc... )

We could be facing the most threadbare squad come the end of the season that we have maybe witnessed previously ( In my lifetime that I remember anyway )

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 16, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
Does anyone know what our numbers will be after the loans expire and the out of contract players leave, as well as the potential McKenna departure, and including the players currently loaned out ( Wright, Ross, Anderson etc... )

We could be facing the most threadbare squad come the end of the season that we have maybe witnessed previously ( In my lifetime that I remember anyway )

If you thought what we're going to be left with is threadbare, my local side the Wellington Phoenix have just been shafted by their manager, and squad size next season? 6.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 16, 2019, 09:45:07 PM
If you thought what we're going to be left with is threadbare, my local side the Wellington Phoenix have just been shafted by their manager, and squad size next season? 6.

6, that's about right - keep Lewis, Devlin, McKenna, Ferguson..... wait that's 4. And McInnes shafts us by staying.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 16, 2019, 11:14:06 PM
Devlin has been utter pants since his return from injury. I have grave reservations about his long term fitness but the fact remains that he is being kept out the side by Considine at present. And rightly so...

Surely keep young Campbell who will see a lot more game time next season? McLennan also. And Cosgrove. But everyone else (i'm not counting the loan signings) yep I agree can go either for free or relatively small fees. May as well do a total rebuild as what we are facing is pretty major anyway.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 17, 2019, 05:18:42 AM
Devlin has been utter pants since his return from injury. I have grave reservations about his long term fitness but the fact remains that he is being kept out the side by Considine at present. And rightly so...

Surely keep young Campbell who will see a lot more game time next season? McLennan also. And Cosgrove. But everyone else (i'm not counting the loan signings) yep I agree can go either for free or relatively small fees. May as well do a total rebuild as what we are facing is pretty major anyway.

I don’t think Devlin ever got match fit after coming back, think he’ll come good with a preseason in him. We keep the kids, Anderson McLennan Rossx2, Campbell, I’m meaning the older more senior players. Cosgrove can fuck off too, scores 20 to date and I still think he’s pish. I’d take any money we get offered, surely players like him can be found in the lower leagues. Playing him means we spend to much time lumping aimless high balls and the guy is just not my cup of tea. The bizarre thing is we punted Rooney because (I think) we wanted something more in a center forward..... and then we end up with Sam....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 17, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Cosgrove can fuck off too, scores 20 to date and I still think he’s pish. I’d take any money we get offered, surely players like him can be found in the lower leagues. Playing him means we spend to much time lumping aimless high balls and the guy is just not my cup of tea. The bizarre thing is we punted Rooney because (I think) we wanted something more in a center forward..... and then we end up with Sam....

That is extremely harsh LA.  The guy is 22 years old and this is the first time he has played a full season at any level yet he has scored more goals in a season than most of our players in the last 30 years!  He might never turn into a world beater but he is only going to get better as he gets more first team experience.  Could end up making the club an awful lot of money in the future.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 17, 2019, 09:13:03 AM
Can't see why everyone thinks we will be so short of players next season.

Of the team that played on Sunday you would expect we will likely loose McKenna, Lowe and Stewart.  We also have McGinn, Logan and Devlin that did not start in the semi final.  The squad itself is not the biggest but I don't think we will be making loads of signings.  Would expect us to be signing a left back, a Shinnie replacement and a forward and maybe a couple of others to add to the squad.

Yes, the quality of fitba has been poor for much of the season but we've been to a cup final and a semi final and are pushing again for europe.  It's not that bad - in reality there are 9 other teams in this league that would snap your hand off for a season like that. 

Not sure why so many Dons fans feel so entitled to be doing so much better.  Watched some of the Barca v Man Utd game last night and for two teams with similar financial clout it was like men against boys and that is in the quarter final of the champions league yet a lot of our support seem to think we should easily be competing with teams that have the ability to spend money on players that our club can only dream about.  All too recently we watched our team struggle at the bottom end of the table and escape relegation by the skin of our teeth but now after a few decent seasons a growing number of people seem to want to dispense with a manager who is getting us to cup finals and into europe every season.  Bizarre.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 17, 2019, 09:46:06 AM
deary me... the football has been turgid and has been for a few seasons, lack of imagination in terms of signings, failure to progress in Europe when there were opportunities there, poor record in cups... that is the other side of the coin, its just wanting to improve and strive to be better, DM is in a comfort zone... i guess Ajax fans think like you also...

The product is pish I am afraid and if it doesnt get better the attendances will decrease as they have this season.

One thing if Killie beat us on Saturday and finish above us, is that enough to say times up or do we drag out aye it was much worse under Mcghee....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 17, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
deary me... the football has been turgid and has been for a few seasons, lack of imagination in terms of signings, failure to progress in Europe when there were opportunities there, poor record in cups... that is the other side of the coin, its just wanting to improve and strive to be better, DM is in a comfort zone... i guess Ajax fans think like you also...

The product is pish I am afraid and if it doesnt get better the attendances will decrease as they have this season.

One thing if Killie beat us on Saturday and finish above us, is that enough to say times up or do we drag out aye it was much worse under Mcghee....

Let's be honest, it hasn't been turgid for a few seasons. It's been poorer for two seasons. At points last season it was still a pretty high standard (based on our league and based on this century by any team outwith the cheeks). Three seasons ago we were banging in goals in a manner we haven't done since Shearer was up front. We scored 7 goals in more than one game and six in another. To say it was turgid is to hold AFC to a ridiculously high standard. We were excellent that season by any standard any non-scum team has set in the last 25 years.

After losing Hayes and McGinn we struggled significantly but still turned out some excellent performances such as the hibs one at Pittodrie and we finished an impressive second in the league with some very good post-split performances. I think that's an acceptable state of affairs given the difficulty in replacing players lost. However, because we were so far away in our signings (May, GMS, Stewart, Maynard etc) it set us up for another poor season. May, GMS etc weren't terrible, but they were significantly poorer than what came before.

Going into this season we followed up poor signings with poor signings and it's put us further behind. We've had some great results and a handful of decent performances (Hearts at Pittodrie, the early league games where GMS was playing well, the Huns at Ibrox etc), but we're grinding most performances out and one or two injuries are having a huge impact on the overall performance (Shinnie at the weekend, Lowe on boxing day). It's been mostly poor.

I don't think we should overstate the problem, but still recognising that there is a problem. To me, getting a new manager in won't fix the fundamental issue with recruitment. One thing that the Tims did really well under Lennon in his first spell was set up a good recruitment network that put ready-made players under his nose with only the paperwork to go. We're either not doing that, or we've got the wrong people doing it. McInnes can't be expected to do everything on his own and neither can any replacement. That recruitment wing of the club needs a complete overhaul to get people who can decipher what the manager needs in a player and recognise that in players in other leagues. If I could see that Gleeson wasn't dynamic enough for our first team in 30 minutes, then our scouts should have. Scouts can watch these guys over 5-6 games, with a manger likely only to see 1 (Lampard only came up to see one dons game as an example before going for Shinnie) where a player could just have a good game or they are already sold on them by the scout. McInnes takes the blame, but the problem clearly is far more systemic (we've barely scouted and signed a good player this century). Guys like Tansey, Zola etc show he's hit or miss in his own judgement so as a club we need to do significantly better. In my opinion, McInnes showed a couple of seasons ago that he could get a team to play fitba, but a team with poorer players he resorts to game management and grinding out results. A change in manager will just be something different to that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 17, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Last season wasn't too bad if being honest, we were still playing well in most games, although not quite as consistent as in previous seasons, I think the bonus of last season was the run in the final fixtures which clinched us the runner up spot in the league which at one point looked as though it may be beyond our reach.

This season has been very poor, both performance and result wise. We have always had a resilience in the team since DM has been our manager and usually manage to grind out a result when required, maybe not the greatest of performances at times, but still grab the points, but this season has seen none of that. On the plus side we have a couple of kids in the team in Ferguson and McLennan which has been a bonus, the downside has been the failure of our key signings of Forrester and Gleeson and would have to lump Stewart in January into that bracket as it really hasn't happened for him up here again in my opinion.

I would have been happier this season if the performances were better than they have been as I can get over us having a 'bad' season, I have seen plenty in my time and much worse than this one, but just the lack of entertainment on the park which is a major worry and has made me doubt renewing my season ticket for next season, I will, but not doing so with any enthusiasm and not looking forward to see who we bring in over the summer.

A change of manager would be best, but don't believe it is going to happen.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 17, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
After my absolutely theoretical explanation of how we might be able to bag Jamie Walker for next season...…….lo and behold a post appears on the Hat within the last hour saying we have made an enquiry for him  :laughing:

Later on tonight I will be posting some more revelations on how we can get Harry Kane in on a 4 year contract by doing a swap for May and luring Mourinho in as manager by offering the incentive of a crate of Lidl tinned sardines per point gained.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 17, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
walker was decent at hearts?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 17, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
That is extremely harsh LA.  The guy is 22 years old and this is the first time he has played a full season at any level yet he has scored more goals in a season than most of our players in the last 30 years!  He might never turn into a world beater but he is only going to get better as he gets more first team experience.  Could end up making the club an awful lot of money in the future.

I see it two ways. Your points are valid and while he has scored 20 goals, facts are facts. Plus he's been pants for a fair part of the season, what if he were on form all season??? However, I don't like the impact he has on our team. When we play Cosgrove (or Stockley) we revert to lumping long balls and we are god awful to watch, and not very good. Cosgrove impacts our style of play and based on results the quality of performance and success of the team has gone down. Not solely Cosgrove's fault, mainly with the manager and his player signings, selections, and tactics, but this style of play isn't for me and the style of forward isn't for me. I feel we can do better. I wanted Rooney rerplaced by someone better who gave more to our team, that's not Cosgrove.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 17, 2019, 05:11:06 PM
walker was decent at hearts?

Yes he was. But since his preferred move to sevco fell through and he joined Wigan...…...I've honestly no idea what he is like now as he has made 8 appearances for them (17 on loan at Peterborough). But probably worth a punt on loan as I said.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: dons8321 on April 17, 2019, 06:05:06 PM
Can't see why everyone thinks we will be so short of players next season.

Of the team that played on Sunday you would expect we will likely loose McKenna, Lowe and Stewart. 

  Wouldn't be at all surprised if Joe Lewis was away too...think his contract is up next summer and he looked really pissed off on Sunday at the end when he was handing his gloves to a young kid.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 17, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
That utter bellend Mark Guidi (this was the prick who, when sevco were in their first year of existence down in the third division, stated they were "the second best team in Scotland") just said that Stewart to sevco was "a dead cert to happen".

We're fucked then. He will be with us on a 4 year contract before you can say "useless, slow, one footed wage thief"...……...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on April 18, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
  Wouldn't be at all surprised if Joe Lewis was away too...think his contract is up next summer and he looked really pissed off on Sunday at the end when he was handing his gloves to a young kid.

How have you come to the conclusion that means he wants to leave?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 18, 2019, 06:47:41 AM
How have you come to the conclusion that means he wants to leave?

He doesn't, but there is an issue between him and the club at the moment over him staying/signing a new deal.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 18, 2019, 08:51:20 AM
I see it two ways. Your points are valid and while he has scored 20 goals, facts are facts. Plus he's been pants for a fair part of the season, what if he were on form all season??? However, I don't like the impact he has on our team. When we play Cosgrove (or Stockley) we revert to lumping long balls and we are god awful to watch, and not very good.

Aye, that's fair comment LA.  For me, that's also got a lot to do with the inconsistency of selection and performance of our wide players since Hayes left.  Hayes and McGinn played every week and for the most part, played very well.  Since GMS came in he has had spells out through injury (and swimming) and only recently has McGinn started to play to a decent standard again since he returned to the club.  Add in McLennan, who is always going to be hit and miss at his age and it has been hard going to get decent performances in the wide areas and that has had big impact on the style of play.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 18, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
He doesn't, but there is an issue between him and the club at the moment over him staying/signing a new deal.

You know this for certain?

As far as I'm aware, he (and probably more importantly, his family) absolutely love the lifestyle in the city. What we should be doing is immediately taking the Shinnie deal off the table and offering it to Lewis. I'm certain if we wait he will get better paid offers from the English Championship so we need to ask the question now. If he rejects it then fair enough, we move on and start the process of sourcing his eventual successor but if he signs it then we get him tied up pretty much for the best years of his career.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: dons8321 on April 18, 2019, 10:05:05 AM
How have you come to the conclusion that means he wants to leave?

I didn't say he wants to leave, I said I wouldn't be surprised if he left in the summer.  His contract is up in a year, he a very good keeper which will have been noted at other Clubs and I shouldn't imagine that the Club would want him to leave for free next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 18, 2019, 10:27:41 AM
A quick look at available players this summer, after their contract expires at their current clubs, and there are a few players that I believe could do a job for us no problem. 

LB - Jake Bidwell ( Over 250 Appearances in the English Championship, 6ft, currently plays for QPR & is free in the Summer )

CDM - Josh McEachran ( Played a few senior games at Chelsea before being loaned out numerous times, also capped and scored at England Under 21 level. Currently playing for Brentford but again, contract expires at the end of the season, could be a replacement for Kenny McLean? )

Winger - Kazenga LuaLua - ( Senior appearances for both Newcastle United & Brighton, has good pace but perhaps lacks the finish to match, but clearly had or still has, something about him, currently at Luton Town and out of contract in the Summer )

Striker - Conor Washington ( Northern Irish Striker, 129 Goals in 337 Games throughout his career so far, NI International, currently plays for Sheffield United and out of contract in the Summer, only 26 years old, possibly mates with Niall McGinn through the National team set up which could work in our favour )

These are just players that are free to speak to other clubs, we haven't been linked with them or anything like that & obviously I have no idea about what McInnes has already done or is currently doing behind the scenes, but in my opinion, these are players that we could attract and could afford within our wage budget that could maybe improve us.

We can't afford to go into next season with the likes of Considine as our main LB and Ball as a main CDM or just Cosgrove & May as our Strikers. The manager isn't stupid enough to do so, so I would hope we are making moves behind the scenes.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 18, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
You know this for certain?

Yup, he doesn't want to leave, but the club are being a bit dickish with him at the moment so a bit of a stand off.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on April 18, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
I didn't say he wants to leave, I said I wouldn't be surprised if he left in the summer.  His contract is up in a year, he a very good keeper which will have been noted at other Clubs and I shouldn't imagine that the Club would want him to leave for free next season.

Yeh, but you equated it to him looking "pissed off when handing his gloves to a fan" on Sunday, suggesting that was some tell-tale sign.

I tend to think he was pissed off at losing a semi-final more than anything.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on April 21, 2019, 10:18:58 AM
Maybe giving Joe the captaincy next season would make him more likely to sign. I cant think that anyone else deserves it more.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 21, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
Never liked having a 'keeper as captain but I do hope he gets the money that was earmarked for Shinnie to get him to extend his contract. Captaincy should go to

1) McKenna if he says he will stay at least the full season
or
2) Devlin if McKenna is offski/there really are no long term fitness doubts (hmmmmmm??)
or
3) Logan as a default if options 1 and 2 are unviable for the reasons stated (and assuming we don't sign a Logan upgrade in the close season)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on April 21, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
I would give the captaincy to Considine.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 21, 2019, 07:21:22 PM
I would give the captaincy to Considine.



Noooooooooooo! I’m hoping he’s not renewed. Die hard don but if we have any ambition he’s off in the summer too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on April 21, 2019, 08:04:17 PM


Noooooooooooo! I’m hoping he’s not renewed. Die hard don but if we have any ambition he’s off in the summer too.

Eh?

Who for the money we have are we signing to replace him?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on April 21, 2019, 08:14:51 PM
I would give the captaincy to Considine.


So would i, every day of the week, great servant.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on April 21, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
 Personally no,I think he prefers to be out of the limelight.Think his left back days are over though,or should be,but a very able defensive stand in for presumably modest money.Keep
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 21, 2019, 10:37:46 PM
Eh?

Who for the money we have are we signing to replace him?

Considine is 32 and getting slower by the day. At fault for a fair number of goals at left back and central defense and spends most games these days sticking touch tight and fouling the opponents center forward because any space given Andy can’t keep up. I don’t get the fans love affair, die hard don and love the club but he’s not good enough.  Thanks for all you’ve done but more of a liability than asset these days. Promote and invest in youth. McKenna was very average at Ayr United and look what happened to him, let’s try the next young loon.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on April 22, 2019, 09:38:22 AM
Eh?

Who for the money we have are we signing to replace him?

Nae this pish again. Since when do you need to be a professional scout with 20 years experience to be able to state your opinion about a player (or a manager) not being good enough? It's nae up to us to source replacements and have them ready.

For the record I like Considine. Although he should not be a 1st 11 player at our club anymore. Id be happy to have him on the bench next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on April 22, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
I would keep Considine around the place, but when everyone is fit I see him as more of a back-up. If we can get Hoban & Shaugnessy signed, and a new left back, then wouldn't see him starting much. Would be depressing if he reverts to left-back again.

Wouldn't make McKenna captain - has generally struggled when given the armband. Is still a young player himself in need of guidance.

The real worry is without Shinnie there's a lack of leaders in that team. Lewis wouldn't be the worst shout as captain.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 22, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
Considine has, year after year, gradually improved his game and adapted to be more athletic to suit the LB role. He has been trusted by numerous managers now and fought hard to stay in the team. His attitude and willingness to get better can never be questioned, and this season he's had some stellar performances at CB, but he's also had some shocking ones too. He has also got away with some odd fouls, echoing what LA Don mentioned. 

Said it on several threads now, we can't afford to go into the new season with Considine as our main LB, but I'd be more than happy if he was kept as a back up, experienced Centre Back. I would definitely dismiss the Captaincy talk, he's not a loud guy, he's always been quite reserved on the pitch and I don't believe he has any leadership qualities.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on April 26, 2019, 05:55:44 PM
New 2 year deal announced for Considine.

https://www.facebook.com/263523567481/posts/10157090799617482?sfns=mo
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on April 26, 2019, 06:33:54 PM
New 2 year deal announced for Considine.

https://www.facebook.com/263523567481/posts/10157090799617482?sfns=mo

Good news. Solid player who can do a job more often than not. Unlikely to be anyone’s first choice, even at centre half, but can’t be faulted for effort and commitment to the club so a more than decent squad player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on April 26, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
Good news. Solid player who can do a job more often than not. Unlikely to be anyone’s first choice, even at centre half, but can’t be faulted for effort and commitment to the club so a more than decent squad player.

Sorry, disagree. The love affair with Considine is clouding judgement. 32 and getting slower and gets a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option? Geez. At fault regularly for goals, what will a 33-35 year old Andy look like, running in quick sand? I have to believe there is someone better out there for similar money with an upside/potential,and if he's a so called squad player get someone younger to do the back up job.

This is a lazy signing. What next, Bruce Anderson and Scott Wright being 'new signings.' We're in this mess, the biggest rebuild yet, because DM has failed in the market to adequately replace the better players when they left.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 26, 2019, 10:33:11 PM
Yet he's keeping Devlin out the side right now (on merit) and as we all know Devlin got a Scotland call up earlier in the season.

2 years is fine. Next season he will revert to being a squad player....he won't play left back again unless in dire emergency. He was never quick anyway but his experience means he can read situations and will be absolutely solid enough when required against your St Johnstone's etc.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 27, 2019, 12:15:11 AM
Happy enough for him to be a squad player and whilst I get where you're coming from LA, we have so much work to do this summer that having a known entity (as back up) is a good option to have.  Certainly no love affair from me, but he's deserving of a new deal.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 27, 2019, 12:22:05 PM
I have no issue with Considine staying and what appears to be seeing out his career with us. He is dependable for the most part and hardly ever lets you down, yes he makes errors, but is dependable enough for us in the majority of our games, but please don't play him at left back.

You let him go and who do we replace him with? He is a far better player than either Ash Taylor or Anthony O'Connor were for us, so I'd rather have one of our own in the squad than another English lower league donkey.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on April 28, 2019, 09:38:15 AM
I agree that considine can do a job at center back if needed. Preferably as a back up but like others have said with the difficulty in recruiting players of the quality we would like i think its always good to have a known quantity.

On another note has anyone heard any updates on the training facilities? Are they going to be ready for the new season? Ive not heard anything recently and ive never known a construction project that was in on time.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tzetanov on April 28, 2019, 11:12:10 AM
Probably the most important transfer window in DMs time here.  I would like to think targets have been identified and offers have been made to a few players.  Maybe DM is holding off a bit to see if there is any additional budget from potential sale if Fraser and McKenna.  Quite possible that we get a few quid from McLean getting promoted yesterday.
A few hearts fans saying we have spoke to Djoum.. I believe we have also offered Cadden at Motherwell but he is hoping to move south.   As for the training ground , it won’t be ready for preseason.  Late September at best it will be completed. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 28, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Greg Stewart has apparently agreed to join Rangers on a 3-year contract, don't think anyone will be surprised to hear that. Disappointed it never worked out for him here, everyone can draw their own conclusions as to why that is, be it that he's not actually that good or McInnes didn't get the best from him.

Joe Shaughnessy was left left out of St Johnstone's squad yesterday as Tommy Wright has confirmed he's rejected a new contract, I wonder if he's coming back here? Might have other offers on the table so we'll see how that one pans out.

And another name now being mentioned is Arnoud Djoum, Hearts fans on Social Media seem to know something we don't and are convinced he's coming here. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on April 28, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
Shaughnessy I don't think is happening....reckons he can get better money down south. Probably correct notwithstanding that it will be at an EFL1 club at best.

Delighted that Stewart is joining sevco, for 10k/week if reports are true. They'll find out just how shite he is fairly sharpish and I'll predict that he will hardly ever get selected after his first 6 months there. Eventually sevco will punt him on loan (probably to Killie, sevco covering around 80% of his wages) as, just like his time with Birmingham, they won't be able to give him away on a free transfer as he will be on such a ridiculously high wage for a an utter dud.

Djoum…..yeah Jambo's seem certain he's on his way here. Guessing he's the Shinnie replacement. Decent enough player but assuming Ball also signs on that's going to leave us with 4 defensive midfielders ( Campbell and Gleeson being the other 2) vying for 2 starting places at best. Don't want to see Campbell's game time severely restricted.....I don't think he's quite ready to be a first choice for at least the first half of next season but absolutely should be by next summer and possibly a wee bit earlier.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 28, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
Probably the most important transfer window in DMs time here.  I would like to think targets have been identified and offers have been made to a few players.  Maybe DM is holding off a bit to see if there is any additional budget from potential sale if Fraser and McKenna.  Quite possible that we get a few quid from McLean getting promoted yesterday.
A few hearts fans saying we have spoke to Djoum.. I believe we have also offered Cadden at Motherwell but he is hoping to move south.   As for the training ground , it won’t be ready for preseason.  Late September at best it will be completed.

Welcome aboard  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 29, 2019, 07:15:11 AM
I think the onus has to be on bringing in quality this summer and forget about quantity. We are lacking quality in almost every area of the park, but finding the said quality required is going to be bloody difficult.

I actually think we will have to rely more on our own kids from now on than trying to bring in established names who can improve us, which will be nigh on impossible given our budget constraints.

I think one of the best things we could do this summer is get Lewis signed up on a new deal as I hate to think how bad we would have been this season if it wasn't for him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 29, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
I think the onus has to be on bringing in quality this summer and forget about quantity. We are lacking quality in almost every area of the park, but finding the said quality required is going to be bloody difficult.

I actually think we will have to rely more on our own kids from now on than trying to bring in established names who can improve us, which will be nigh on impossible given our budget constraints.

I think one of the best things we could do this summer is get Lewis signed up on a new deal as I hate to think how bad we would have been this season if it wasn't for him.

The problem is, is that is what we tried to do last summer. We got a few key signings in as first teamers. We then spent the end of the window adding Lowe, Hobban, Wilson, Ball to make up for the fact that our initial signings were pap. We've ended up with a lightweight squad which wouldn't have been the case. We'd have been completely fine if Forrester, Gleeson and Wilson hadn't been shite. We've ended up with a squad with a host of extras who all need game time at some stage to keep them happy, but if Gleeson and Forrester had been up to it then Ball wouldn't have been signed. If we'd got Lowe in earlier, then Hobban wouldn't have been signed. If May and Cosgrove hadn't been average then Wilson wouldn't have been signed.

The problem that we have is that we're looking for so many first teamers we'll inevitably get a good few dross purchases at the same time - it's the nature of the business unfortunately. Given the turnover again, I think we'll struggle to retain a light squad without being completely ruthless.

For example, I'd happily have Cosgrove, Anderson and another striker up front but we'd have to ditch May. In the front 3 McLennan, Wright, McGinn and GMS replacement might again be enough. I'd happily have Ferguson, Shinnie replacement (Djoum), Campbell, New Signing in midfield but that would mean getting rid of both Gleeson and Ball. In defence we've only really got Harrington as cover for right back coming through, so Lowe (or Lowe replacement), plus Considine, McKenna, Devlin and Logan would seem exceptionally light so I'd get a Hobban type signing too.

That is a minimum of 6 signings right there. Are you realistic about our ability to make 6 accurate signings in the summer window? I would think that we'd have to make ten signings in order to get 6 good ones (by good, I mean two midfielders that are better than Ball for example). That's going to leave us with an additional 4 players who we'll have on the bench fighting for time with the youngsters. Even that would/should be deemed a succesful window with a 60% success rate on signings.

It certainly highlights the stupidity of those suggesting we get rid of Considine.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on April 29, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
tbf consi has been pretty solid at cb with devlins drop in form he has been required, is sam roscoe any use ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 29, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
tbf consi has been pretty solid at cb with devlins drop in form he has been required, is sam roscoe any use ?

I haven't heard how is Alloa stint is going. He missed a chunk of their games in the last month or two. Hopefully it was injury, rather than ability, related. Played every game up until March. Happy to have him as back up like if he's good enough.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on April 29, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
There's no doubt that this is his biggest test, signing wise, so far, and whilst the likes of Hearts & Motherwell are preparing for next season having added a few pre-contracts, there's nothing to suggest that we haven't tried to either. We lost out on Jordan Jones this time last year I believe, McInnes has openly admitted that now, we lost out on some Barcelona " B " Striker a year or two ago as well, McInnes having also admitted that, Jason Scotland another one and I am pretty sure there will be more.

The likes of Djoum & Shaughnessy are steady SPFL players, nothing more, nothing less, they at least know the league, know the " expectation " and they are within our wage budget. But even if they did sign, we're still a fair chunk of players missing to piece together that jigsaw.

We absolutely must sign a permanent Left Back, in the mould of Lowe, as well as a creative midfielder ( a Maddison or a McLean ) within our means of course, because that position has affected us a lot this season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on April 29, 2019, 05:37:52 PM
I haven't heard how is Alloa stint is going. He missed a chunk of their games in the last month or two. Hopefully it was injury, rather than ability, related. Played every game up until March. Happy to have him as back up like if he's good enough.

Sure I saw something about him having a hamstring injury recently.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 29, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
There's no doubt that this is his biggest test, signing wise, so far, and whilst the likes of Hearts & Motherwell are preparing for next season having added a few pre-contracts, there's nothing to suggest that we haven't tried to either. We lost out on Jordan Jones this time last year I believe, McInnes has openly admitted that now, we lost out on some Barcelona " B " Striker a year or two ago as well, McInnes having also admitted that, Jason Scotland another one and I am pretty sure there will be more.

The likes of Djoum & Shaughnessy are steady SPFL players, nothing more, nothing less, they at least know the league, know the " expectation " and they are within our wage budget. But even if they did sign, we're still a fair chunk of players missing to piece together that jigsaw.

We absolutely must sign a permanent Left Back, in the mould of Lowe, as well as a creative midfielder ( a Maddison or a McLean ) within our means of course, because that position has affected us a lot this season.

Your last point just underlines how difficult it is to get quality in at virtually no cost KP.  Maddison went for £20m just a few months back and McLean would likely be worth a couple of million in todays market. DM is almost a victim of his own success with these players in that the fans will expect replacements of the same quality when we are shopping in the free/loan market. A hard job by anyone's standards. We do certainly need some creativity and goals from the middle of the park next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on April 29, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
Badly in need of midfielders  2 or mabye even 3, dont think Campbell is quite ready yet for a start ( but he will) Hoping & praying we somehow manage to get Lowe on loan again , & also hoping Hoban returns to fitness & to us.
    Width badly needed in team , especially if G.M.S goes, which looks likely, McLennan is very hot & cold just now, nobody should be a stick on starter every week, regardless of form.
New striker required.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 30, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
The problem is, is that is what we tried to do last summer. We got a few key signings in as first teamers. We then spent the end of the window adding Lowe, Hobban, Wilson, Ball to make up for the fact that our initial signings were pap. We've ended up with a lightweight squad which wouldn't have been the case. We'd have been completely fine if Forrester, Gleeson and Wilson hadn't been shite. We've ended up with a squad with a host of extras who all need game time at some stage to keep them happy, but if Gleeson and Forrester had been up to it then Ball wouldn't have been signed. If we'd got Lowe in earlier, then Hobban wouldn't have been signed. If May and Cosgrove hadn't been average then Wilson wouldn't have been signed.

The problem that we have is that we're looking for so many first teamers we'll inevitably get a good few dross purchases at the same time - it's the nature of the business unfortunately. Given the turnover again, I think we'll struggle to retain a light squad without being completely ruthless.

For example, I'd happily have Cosgrove, Anderson and another striker up front but we'd have to ditch May. In the front 3 McLennan, Wright, McGinn and GMS replacement might again be enough. I'd happily have Ferguson, Shinnie replacement (Djoum), Campbell, New Signing in midfield but that would mean getting rid of both Gleeson and Ball. In defence we've only really got Harrington as cover for right back coming through, so Lowe (or Lowe replacement), plus Considine, McKenna, Devlin and Logan would seem exceptionally light so I'd get a Hobban type signing too.

That is a minimum of 6 signings right there. Are you realistic about our ability to make 6 accurate signings in the summer window? I would think that we'd have to make ten signings in order to get 6 good ones (by good, I mean two midfielders that are better than Ball for example). That's going to leave us with an additional 4 players who we'll have on the bench fighting for time with the youngsters. Even that would/should be deemed a succesful window with a 60% success rate on signings.

It certainly highlights the stupidity of those suggesting we get rid of Considine.

Like my post says I am looking to see us bring in quality, so we should try and bring in a couple of players who will improve us and make a difference to the team and ensuring we have done proper checks on the players and their characters. If we could make 2-3 quality signings then we worry about the other shyte we sign to make up the numbers which will happen, but we do need to bring in some sort of quality to the team, a midfielder is a must, but easier said than done, especially with our last few windows not being the best and our budget constraints.

I'm happy we are keeping Considine, as he is reliable for the most part and I think most other clubs would be happy to have him in their squad. Also hoping to see the continuing progress of our own youngsters coming through as that is the future for us.

It should be an interesting summer though.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on April 30, 2019, 07:52:42 AM
I don't think 2-3 high quality signings will be enough. We need 2-3 midfielders alone.  Whilst youth is great, we've seen how hot and cold they can be, especially this season.  Obviously the only way to develop them is play them, but we need good experience to guide them and pick up the times when they're not performing.

Jambo's certainly seem to be mixed about his presumed departure. Some saying he's not been the player he was, others annoyed he's potentially going to us.  Guessing it's somewhere in between, but he looks decent enough.

Milne needs to back DM, but I really don't know if I trust him.  We really need to get players that can find a style of play again, fuck knows what it is now. It's been woeful football for a good year or two now.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 30, 2019, 12:06:53 PM
I don't think 2-3 high quality signings will be enough. We need 2-3 midfielders alone.  Whilst youth is great, we've seen how hot and cold they can be, especially this season.  Obviously the only way to develop them is play them, but we need good experience to guide them and pick up the times when they're not performing.

Jambo's certainly seem to be mixed about his presumed departure. Some saying he's not been the player he was, others annoyed he's potentially going to us.  Guessing it's somewhere in between, but he looks decent enough.

Milne needs to back DM, but I really don't know if I trust him.  We really need to get players that can find a style of play again, fuck knows what it is now. It's been woeful football for a good year or two now.

We do need more than 2 or 3 quality signings, but realistically we are not going to get the numbers in that we require quality wise, so be prepared for more dross to sign to make up the numbers. The kids may blow hot and cold but I'd rather see a young lad get a chance than another journeyman from England in making up the numbers.  At the moment we are playing catch up with our squad due to poor signings in the previous windows. It doesn't matter who the manager is, any manager would struggle to find the quality we require with the budget we have.

For me we are a little stale and we need something to keep the momentum of the previous few seasons going, whether that will be a new manager or not I have no idea, but another season like this one is not an exiting prospect.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on April 30, 2019, 02:24:12 PM
We do need more than 2 or 3 quality signings, but realistically we are not going to get the numbers in that we require quality wise, so be prepared for more dross to sign to make up the numbers. The kids may blow hot and cold but I'd rather see a young lad get a chance than another journeyman from England in making up the numbers.  At the moment we are playing catch up with our squad due to poor signings in the previous windows. It doesn't matter who the manager is, any manager would struggle to find the quality we require with the budget we have.

For me we are a little stale and we need something to keep the momentum of the previous few seasons going, whether that will be a new manager or not I have no idea, but another season like this one is not an exiting prospect.

The problem is that the dross is not the "making up the numbers" element of our squad. The dross are the guys that were bought in to be the first team (the high quality signings). Ball, Considine and Cosgrove should have been our dross this season, but they are first team regulars, each with over 30 games this season.

We simply cannot say "we need 2-3 high quality signings" because the return on player signings in this league is/should be about 50%. In reality, we need 5-6 high quality signings in the hope that 2-3 make it.

We could significantly reduce our risk by signing Max Lowe for example. Signing Djoum is low risk (although I think he's worse than Shinnie, but still pretty decent) but you'd still want another midfielder beyond him. Cadden would be an excellent signing. Stealing McNulty from Hibs would be an excellent piece of business too. The point being that your high quality signings are players that we will already know about. That then comes with a wage bill by paying Djoum more than Hertz, or an even bigger wage bill by getting Cadden or McNulty before a wealthier English club comes in. Are there any other players you can think of in that bracket? If it's not this type of low risk tried and tested player then we're back to a 50% strike rate and the dross building up. As you say, we're way behind after 2 poor summer windows in a row, so we're roughly where we were when McInnes started, which I don't suppose is unusual in fitba. I'd be inclined just to ditch May, Gleeson and Ball in the summer and really just go full scale re-build.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 02, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
The problem is that the dross is not the "making up the numbers" element of our squad. The dross are the guys that were bought in to be the first team (the high quality signings). Ball, Considine and Cosgrove should have been our dross this season, but they are first team regulars, each with over 30 games this season.

We simply cannot say "we need 2-3 high quality signings" because the return on player signings in this league is/should be about 50%. In reality, we need 5-6 high quality signings in the hope that 2-3 make it.

We could significantly reduce our risk by signing Max Lowe for example. Signing Djoum is low risk (although I think he's worse than Shinnie, but still pretty decent) but you'd still want another midfielder beyond him. Cadden would be an excellent signing. Stealing McNulty from Hibs would be an excellent piece of business too. The point being that your high quality signings are players that we will already know about. That then comes with a wage bill by paying Djoum more than Hertz, or an even bigger wage bill by getting Cadden or McNulty before a wealthier English club comes in. Are there any other players you can think of in that bracket? If it's not this type of low risk tried and tested player then we're back to a 50% strike rate and the dross building up. As you say, we're way behind after 2 poor summer windows in a row, so we're roughly where we were when McInnes started, which I don't suppose is unusual in fitba. I'd be inclined just to ditch May, Gleeson and Ball in the summer and really just go full scale re-build.

Good shout. Heckingbottom plays 2 Strikers, or at least he has done since taking over at Hibs, Kamberi & McNulty, and I have watched them on BT Sport at least 3 times, they play Football, they don't punt it long and they don't panic in possession, they get the ball in to their Strikers from the ground and it looks good on the eye and they have had success from it. No idea if that's a sustainable style but for the moment, they're doing well.

Cosgrove is probably more comfortable when the ball is played to him on the ground, he is constantly fighting a losing battle with the style of Football we're playing at the moment. But McNulty would be a perfect partner for him, based on what I have seen, and I very much agree that it would be an excellent piece of business.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 02, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
McNulty only on loan at Hibs (From Coventry??). Agree if we could get him on board it would be a great bit of business. Doubt they'd be too difficult to deal with and surely we could offer him a better package than Hibs.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 02, 2019, 02:08:20 PM
McNulty only on loan at Hibs (From Coventry??). Agree if we could get him on board it would be a great bit of business. Doubt they'd be too difficult to deal with and surely we could offer him a better package than Hibs.

Is it not Reading? Anyway, I think we're very close to Hibs in average wages all things considered. We could certainly offer a better package, but not a significantly better package. That type of offering can then easily be watered down by preferred location, knowing the club and players and so on. In other words, I don't think we could offer enough of a financial incentive if he's enjoying life in Edinburgh or loves working for Cuntingbottom or whatever.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 02, 2019, 02:42:05 PM
Is it not Reading? Anyway, I think we're very close to Hibs in average wages all things considered. We could certainly offer a better package, but not a significantly better package. That type of offering can then easily be watered down by preferred location, knowing the club and players and so on. In other words, I don't think we could offer enough of a financial incentive if he's enjoying life in Edinburgh or loves working for Cuntingbottom or whatever.

He is an Edinburgh lad so back home which is important to him allegedly. Suspect we would have to seriously beat Hibs wage offer to have any chance of getting him in. Would expect clubs in league 1 in England would still be interested in his services as well.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 02, 2019, 03:43:18 PM
He is an Edinburgh lad so back home which is important to him allegedly. Suspect we would have to seriously beat Hibs wage offer to have any chance of getting him in. Would expect clubs in league 1 in England would still be interested in his services as well.

Interesting. I suspect that there is a lot of that type of thinking in the game. We probably underestimate the additional cost required to persuade a player to come all this way up North. Whilst we have a 10% bigger average salary than the Hibees, I suspect that can be quickly eaten up by the extra bribery required to make the move. It's not like the cost of living is particularly cheap up here either.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 05, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Alan Nixon on Twitter, if you know him on Social Media, you'll know he's normally bang on the money, he's a Journalist, albeit for The Sun, but he's still normally spot on.

ABERDEEN. Looking into a return for Josh Magennis. Could be snatched from BOLTON.

By all accounts, Magennis was a bit raw when he left us, but I think he's been relatively okay in the Championship & League 1 in England since. But again, for me, slams of a sheer lack of imagination, given there is a potential return for Shaughnessy as well. Not for one second suggesting they're not good enough, but they were let go because McInnes didn't fancy them initially, if I remember correctly?

Fits the bill for a McInnes player though, not lazy, can play in a few positions and must be within our budget.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 05, 2019, 05:11:08 PM
Was discussed on the Hat around lunchtime......general consensus is that Nixon isn't as "ITK" as he would have you believe and he's taking a flyer on this one, using known facts to build a basis for his story.

Yes Magennis has just been relegated at Bolton and they are very very likely to try and offload him for free in the summer. And of course his wife is a local quine. And yes big pals with McGinn.

However the move would only make sense IF we were offloading Cosgrove. We certainly don't need 2 battering ram centre forwards. However.....I certainly wouldn't be averse to it happening if indeed Cosgrove were to be sold. I don't think we'd let him go for any less than £750k given his goals and length of contract. So even though Magennis would command a higher wage, we would still make a handsome profit on the deal and bag ourselves a current NI internationalist with over 40 caps to his name. At 29, we'd get a good 3 years out him barring a bad injury.....Cosgrove still is only raw talent. He might flourish but equally if he got a move to the Championship he could well be out his depth and end up in EFL2 or lower within 18 months.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 05, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
magennis ? dm will probably play him full back
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 08, 2019, 04:55:43 AM
I see Lewis Macleod has been released by Brentford, seems right up McInnes’ street I would think, especially with his level of injury proneness.

The Sun are linking us with Pavel Safranko from Dundee Utd.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 08, 2019, 09:41:34 AM
Safranko's parent club apparently want £100k to release him. Have only seen a few brief glimpses of the loon in action. Looked ok but never got me thinking that he would in any way become a target for us.

Macleod is an interesting one. Was considered the "next big thing" whilst at sevco and I was amazed to then see him sign for a club in the lower reaches of the championship. Pretty much instantly copped a serious knee injury...…...so ticking all the DM boxes there.....and out for over a year IIRC and has struggled to get much game time ever since. We certainly need a creative midfielder and he would seem to fit the bill but he's really not developed over the past 4 years. Doubtful he will have many options, so wouldn't be averse to offering him a 12 month contract to see how he does on a low basic wage, with built in bonus for each game he plays.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 08, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
agree re mcleod have no view on safranko .. shankland has a better scoring record .. not saying we should sign gim... rimmer has left coventry could be rb , may as well get old team back magennis , shaugnessy, rimmer...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on May 08, 2019, 11:08:34 AM
I see Lewis Macleod has been released by Brentford, seems right up McInnes’ street I would think, especially with his level of injury proneness.

The Sun are linking us with Pavel Safranko from Dundee Utd.

There was some chat back in January that we should be/were looking at Safranco.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 08, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
paul coutts been released, could be gleeson mk 2 mind you
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 10, 2019, 08:41:02 AM
P & J claiming we have opened talks with Curtis Main. One that has been mentioned previously, can understand why McInnes is keen but personally see him as another Stevie May type, plenty of effort and endeavour but 6 goals this season and 48 career goals in 284 career games.

If he comes, maybe he'll play just off Cosgrove and not necessarily directly up front? He does look a handful, and he's pretty strong and can fairly shift, also might see the end of May, or at least punting him out on loan as someone suggested on another thread.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 10, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
a lazy underwhelming shit house of  a signing
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 10, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
a lazy underwhelming shit house of  a signing

Can't really disagree with a word of that
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 10, 2019, 09:03:09 AM
And thirded. One half decent game against us does not a potential signing make.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 10, 2019, 09:09:21 AM
just wait till big gash signs
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 10, 2019, 09:22:39 AM
I'd presume we're shifting Cosgrove or may to even think about making this pathetic signing.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 10, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
And now a very prominent supporter who has inside info when it comes to signings, many of you will know who I am talking about, has just said we're close to announcing a Centre Back that " won't be popular "

Kirk Broadfoot, welcome aboard min  :rofl:

Seriously though, I have no idea who said person could be referring too, but if they are correct, then I am most definitely intrigued.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 10, 2019, 10:11:34 AM
Danny Wilson 8/11 with Ladbrokes  ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 10, 2019, 10:52:26 AM
Loved Mary's Prayer
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 10, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
Curtis Main 3 goals in 30 league games. No thanks.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 10, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
And now a very prominent supporter who has inside info when it comes to signings, many of you will know who I am talking about, has just said we're close to announcing a Centre Back that " won't be popular "

Kirk Broadfoot, welcome aboard min  :rofl:

Seriously though, I have no idea who said person could be referring too, but if they are correct, then I am most definitely intrigued.

Ash Taylor has been freed by Northampton....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 10, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
just wait till big gash signs

Oh dear, hoped this might be shite when told this  ::)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 10, 2019, 12:33:21 PM
Reading this thread and the names being mentioned as possible signings is hardly helping my mood prior to tonight's game. With that type of names being added to our squad I feel I may regret buying my season ticket so early for next year.

Hopefully it is all just shyte though.

Curtis Main  :-[
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on May 10, 2019, 04:05:53 PM
Loved Mary's Prayer



  'Hat's off ......






  ......loved Neil Sedaka
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CtS on May 10, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
I’m holding off renewing my season ticket until Ash Taylor and Curtis Main are confirmed.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 10, 2019, 04:23:22 PM
It's a very clever move from McInnes. It's going to be difficult and expensive to replace Shinnie in the heart of midfield, so let's just bypass midfield altogether. Big lumps at the back hoofing it to big lumps up front. Get in that big lump Djoum from Hearts in case the ball hits a seagull and drops in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 10, 2019, 05:36:51 PM
So it could be Ash Taylor then...... :eek:

That is mental, not forgetting his reasoning for wanting to leave, something along the lines of " Fed up finishing runner up " if I mind correctly.

You have to admit, even the most ardent Stevie May fanatics and McInnes worshippers, today has been a poor day all round concerning alleged transfer targets, because we need to remember McInnes usually likes a spanner in the works before announcing someone completely different that hadn't been mentioned, I am taking it as speculation until I see confirmation otherwise. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 10, 2019, 06:10:05 PM
You'd think that if we were cashing in on McKenna in the summer (before his price drops any lower) then McInnes would be targeting a left sided central defender (surely to God he isn't intending making Consi his first choice???)

Yet so far we are linked with Shaughnessy/Ryan Edwards/Big Gash.....all right sided ones. Now I do realise our greatest ever team featured two "righties" in the heart of it's defence, however times have moved on and most teams go for a right footer/left footer combination whenever possible. I keep coming back to this point....Devlin? Is he goosed?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on May 12, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
Surely we should be looking at Yaya Toure to replace Graeme Shinnie!!!!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 12, 2019, 08:18:50 PM
A Winger has been allegedly added to the " Already signed a pre-contract, but will be announced after the Hibs Game " list. This is in addition to a CB that has already signed a pre-contract, that will also be announced after the Hibs game.

First of all, I have no idea why we need to wait until after the Hibs game, is it maybe because they are from teams in our league? The general consensus is that the CB is Shaughnessy & the winger could possibly be Chris Cadden. Although I have also seen that it could be Brandon Barker or Sam Nicholson.

In any case, this source is excellent, many of you will probably know who it is, very prominent supporter who has been right every time they have mentioned a name, but in the interest of privacy, they don't want to be outed on here, so it's only fair that I don't mention them. We will have to wait and see, but if they are right, it'll be mentioned shortly after Hibs, so it's not too long a wait to be fair.

P.S, they also confirmed that " As far as they're aware, we have indeed spoken to Ash Taylor, but nothing has been signed etc... "
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 12, 2019, 09:23:24 PM
Nicholson was the winger I heard. But I won't go all in with that one just yet till I hear it from a far more reliable source.

Centre half I have no info on.

Could it possibly be they intend showing off the new signings wearing next season's strip as a launch?

By the same token, why the hell haven't sevco announced Stewart on this pre-contract that the west coast meedja assured us was happening? oh hang on, maybe they thought if they did so we would automatically stop selecting him till he left? And improved our performances/results by doing so......
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 13, 2019, 09:35:55 AM
Might be in the minority here but I would be quite happy to see big Ash back.  We could do (and have done many times) much worse than him.  Yes, he had the odd ricket but you could say the same about any centre half and he was also very useful in the opposing penalty box.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 13, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
Jamie Ness released by Plymouth

Fits McInnes transfer strategy
Previously linked with us and suffered at least one major injury in career  ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 13, 2019, 12:17:01 PM
I believe Northampton are looking for a 6 figure fee for Ash and I don't think we should be paying anything like that for his return.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 13, 2019, 03:11:39 PM
I assume the 6 figures are £1000.00? That's still too much.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 13, 2019, 06:11:08 PM
Cerny signs on for another year.

Decent back up if/when called upon

Time to move on Rogers  :wave: :wave: :wave:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on May 13, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
Cadden & Nicholson would both do a job for us i think, presuming GMS is offski.  Would be huge if we could get Lowe back on loan, or even better... nah! wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on May 13, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
If it was scottish cup final taylor i could live with him coming back but it wont be so its a no from me.  Jamie ness is a pretty solid centre mid as I recall though don't know what he has done recently. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 17, 2019, 08:21:40 PM
Contract discussions held with both Curtis Main & James Wilson apparently.

Fun time of the season this, isn't it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 19, 2019, 10:22:41 AM
main and wilson that dynamic goal scoring duo.....mind you mcpep will probably play them as wingers
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 21, 2019, 08:01:01 AM
I see Liverpool are now being linked with Ryan Fraser. It looks like we could get a good wedge if a bidding war starts. Hopefully we reinvest a decent chunk of it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 08:19:25 AM
I see Liverpool are now being linked with Ryan Fraser. It looks like we could get a good wedge if a bidding war starts. Hopefully we reinvest a decent chunk of it.

At the prices rumoured, we stand to gain something between £4-6million. At best DM will get a million of it with the rest going straight into the Kingsford pot. And rightly so.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 21, 2019, 11:07:07 AM
see hibs have let a few players gael birmithingmy any good?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 21, 2019, 11:26:05 AM
see hibs have let a few players gael birmithingmy any good?

I used to think he looked quite solid (if a little bit of a headless chicken), but Motherwell weren't affected by his departure and 60 minutes for Hibs since January suggests he might be pish.

Was Gauld injured or just pap? Also, Omeonga would be a good loanee and McNulty would be an (unlikely) excellent steal.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 21, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
Gauld was injured most of the time. Going by some hibs fans comments they were saying he needed to get back up to the pace and physicality of the game here. They did say he looked to have great vision and was technically very good.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 03:25:56 PM
Gauld was injured  towards the end but was totally root in the games he played when first joining up. The boy Omyeonga(sp) looked a million times better in the games he played. Don't think we should be going there.


Agree McNulty would be a fantastic acquisition and probably fairly cheap but I guess Hibs would be favourites.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on May 21, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
Surely Australia's captain Mark Milligan who also left Hibernian might be worth looking into??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on May 21, 2019, 04:03:21 PM
McNulty scored 7 goals in his first 10 Hibs game and 1 in his next 8. He could be a useful addition but I wouldn't be bending over backwards to get him based on those numbers.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 21, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
Chris Harvey tweeting that Big Ash is currently at Pittodrie
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 21, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
game over if so
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 21, 2019, 05:44:08 PM
Chris Harvey tweeting that Big Ash is currently at Pittodrie

I assume there's a vacancy in the club shop.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 06:50:58 PM
I'm starting to assume Devlin is fucked.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on May 21, 2019, 07:19:46 PM
I'm starting to assume Devlin is fucked.....

I sincerely hope not.
I was delighted when we signed him and had such high hopes for him.
I really wanted Devlin to be a success
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: hebrew on May 21, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
I sincerely hope not.
I was delighted when we signed him and had such high hopes for him.
I really wanted Devlin to be a success
I

Me too Al - fucked if I'm going to watch dons with Ash Taylor in defence!!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on May 21, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
When Devlin came on against Hearts, he looked mobile enough and wasn't holding back from getting stuck in. It would be hard to see how he could be sufficiently fucked to warrant signing Ash Taylor, even if it is just based on those 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 10:47:12 PM
When Devlin came on against Hearts, he looked mobile enough and wasn't holding back from getting stuck in. It would be hard to see how he could be sufficiently fucked to warrant signing Ash Taylor, even if it is just based on those 20 minutes.

Just find it very strange that he couldn't displace Considine from the team since supposedly returning to fitness after the injury sustained whilst away with Scotland (did we ever get a satisfactory explanation of what the exact nature of the problem?)

And when he did start (other CH's injured or suspended) he generally couldn't play the full 90 minutes. There's just something not sitting right with me about this one. Gash is no world beater (to put it mildly) but at this stage of his career he isn't going to sign for anyone to be a back up option. Nor would have Shaughnessy.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 11:29:28 PM
Retard going with the Gash story. Says he does have other options.

More interestingly. they reckon we want Lowe for another years loan (no shit) but that if it doesn't come off we will target Nathan Ralph from the caravan dwellers (nope me neither...)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Stewart on May 22, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Photo doing the rounds of Ashton at what is apparently Dyce airport.

This is also in BBC gossip today.

Quote
Aberdeen have begun their summer recruitment drive by agreeing to sign out-of-contract striker Curtis Main from Motherwell and holding talks with former Dons defender Ash Taylor, who is available on a free. (Daily Express, print edition)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 22, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
Why do we need another striker that cant score?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: scotfree on May 22, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
Taylor can fuck off.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 22, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
Taylor was far from the worst defender we have ever had and at times could look very good, but him re-signing doesn't fill me with much optimism.

Curtis Main though really gives me feeling of dread and has to be a wind up.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 22, 2019, 12:09:23 PM
Taylor was far from the worst defender we have ever had and at times could look very good, but him re-signing doesn't fill me with much optimism.

Curtis Main though really gives me feeling of dread and has to be a wind up.

I actually thought Main looked quite useful against us last time they played up here, having previously thought he was a lot worse. He wasn't the donkey I'd thought he was. That's not a compliment, just an observation, being "not as shite as I first though" shouldn't be our signing benchmark. We can't retain May and Main though, that would be mental.

Taylor was strong/tall, a good tackler and his pace got him out of several of the problems he created. However, his Ifil-level of ball-kicking is a huge issue when we need our defenders to be taking the ball out of defence in the majority of our games. His positioning and general game-intelligence was seriously lacking. I don't think he offers anything we don't already have. Shug, for example, is a significantly better footballer as is Henry at the tim and the Livi boy that Hearts have signed. I'm not sure the purpose in this type of signing other than being a known quantity and so relatively low risk. Whether we like it or not, low risk is very important in this window because of the volume of transfers required (Main fits into this bracket too).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CvB on May 22, 2019, 12:11:48 PM
Having a permutation of Taylor/Devlin/Considine in the middle of our defense next season doesn't fill me full of confidence.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CtS on May 22, 2019, 12:59:58 PM
If Taylor and Main are coming in to replace the likes of McKenna and GMS, I’m already dreading the potential replacements for Shinnie. Is Nigel Pepper still on the go?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 22, 2019, 01:10:13 PM
Neither Taylor or Main are the type of player that is going to help us on progress to be become a  "Challenger club" or whatever corporate pish they released last week.

Main is not even the best player at 8th placed Motherwell and Taylor was a fucking bombscare when he was with us before. If this is the level of player we are looking at then I can see me regretting the purchase of a season ticket before the season has even started.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on May 22, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
The signing of main surprises me, I cant see how he offers anything more upfront than what we currently have.

Taylor I am more relaxed on. I think he would make an ok squad player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 22, 2019, 01:53:26 PM
The signing of main surprises me, I cant see how he offers anything more upfront than what we currently have.

Taylor I am more relaxed on. I think he would make an ok squad player.

Taylor would not be a squad player, that's the issue.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on May 22, 2019, 01:57:04 PM
Neither Taylor or Main are the type of player that is going to help us on progress to be become a  "Challenger club" or whatever corporate pish they released last week.

Main is not even the best player at 8th placed Motherwell and Taylor was a fucking bombscare when he was with us before. If this is the level of player we are looking at then I can see me regretting the purchase of a season ticket before the season has even started.

This. Although when I read it, I noticed it was The Express running the story so I figured once Prince Phillip has admitted to arranging the murder of Diana, Maddie McCann has been rescued from a foreign paedo ring and we have 10 foot snowdrifts in August, we can expect to see Taylor and Main at the Dons.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 22, 2019, 02:07:11 PM
Taylor would not be a squad player, that's the issue.

Says who? He's just been released by a team that finished 15th in League Two - he's in no position to be demanding big money or a guaranteed starting spot. Sounds more like McInnes is doing him a favour by securing him a contract for next season.

We were short in defence this season. As much as I'm not a fan of Taylor, having him around for the last two months of the season would have been handy.

I think we'll still sign another CB even if and when Taylor signs. Think the club are still interested in Hoban. No idea what the story is with Shaughnessy - has he signed a new St Johnstone deal or gone elsewhere? The talks with Aberdeen have dragged on since January.....though maybe he's actually the CB we're on the verge of announcing and not Taylor.


Anyway, back to Taylor. I'm fairly relaxed about it as long as it's not taking too much out of the budget. A fully fit Devlin is still a better player than him. Bit of competition for places can't hurt though.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 22, 2019, 02:16:03 PM
The signing of main surprises me, I cant see how he offers anything more upfront than what we currently have.

Taylor I am more relaxed on. I think he would make an ok squad player.

Main I'm pretty "meh" about, but he has caused Aberdeen problems in the past.

My main concern is that McInnes appears to be becoming more committed to his hoof ball tactics and this signing, and Taylor too if you like due to his penchant for going forward as an auxiliary striker, kinda fits in with that.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 22, 2019, 02:30:37 PM
Says who? He's just been released by a team that finished 15th in League Two - he's in no position to be demanding big money or a guaranteed starting spot. Sounds more like McInnes is doing him a favour by securing him a contract for next season.

We were short in defence this season. As much as I'm not a fan of Taylor, having him around for the last two months of the season would have been handy.

I think we'll still sign another CB even if and when Taylor signs. Think the club are still interested in Hoban. No idea what the story is with Shaughnessy - has he signed a new St Johnstone deal or gone elsewhere? The talks with Aberdeen have dragged on since January.....though maybe he's actually the CB we're on the verge of announcing and not Taylor.


Anyway, back to Taylor. I'm fairly relaxed about it as long as it's not taking too much out of the budget. A fully fit Devlin is still a better player than him. Bit of competition for places can't hurt though.

You could be right, however the bit in bold was what I based my assumptions on. That he'd be far too expensive for a squad player. Put it this way, I think that we could get far cheaper squad players (like Devlin, who I expect would be on less than Taylor).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on May 22, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
Think Taylor would be on less than Devlin. Former accies captain is young and was very highly rated pre injury. Taylor just left a lower level league two team ffs.

I see Taylor in the same light as Considine in that we’ll get good performances from him, some goals, but at any time I expect a major fuck up that will cost us a goal and a game. Really disappointed if this is the best we can do, with Main too. Serious questions asked about our scouting or lack of yet again.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on May 22, 2019, 03:33:10 PM
Taylor would not be a squad player, that's the issue.

I think he would be an ok back up, probably on par or even slightly better than Considine to be honest.

A concern would be is that we again seem to be basing a lot of our player searching based on a players decent performance from about 2-3 seasons previous. I thought we may have learned our lesson about that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 22, 2019, 04:19:16 PM
Taylor won't have left us to join Northampton on even the same pay he got from us. He will now be demanding a pay that if he joins will put him in our top 5 earners. And as Ive said before....he wont be wanting to join up as a squad player.

Devlin would have been the highest paid player at Accies as captain. But they pay peanuts....I doubt he is getting much more than somewhere around our average pay which would leave him as one of the worst paid first teamers. And rightly so having had his knee reconstructed twice. He was a gamble when we signed him
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 22, 2019, 04:50:06 PM
Taylor won't have left us to join Northampton on even the same pay he got from us. He will now be demanding a pay that if he joins will put him in our top 5 earners. And as Ive said before....he wont be wanting to join up as a squad player.

Devlin would have been the highest paid player at Accies as captain. But they pay peanuts....I doubt he is getting much more than somewhere around our average pay which would leave him as one of the worst paid first teamers. And rightly so having had his knee reconstructed twice. He was a gamble when we signed him

I have absolutely no idea like, but those were certainly my assumptions too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on May 22, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
Can't think Northampton were paying him much, so can't have been on a great deal here first time round. Their top earners would be taking home nowhere near what ours do.

Unless they were gambling on wages at that time which may be true as think they signed Billy Waters from Cheltenham by paying more than they could. Might explain why both are now being let go.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 22, 2019, 06:27:02 PM
its lazy as fuck ,web article suggestz northampton players on 2.5k per week thats too much  wonder how much halkett got ... at least there maybe potential resell there.. even michael rose ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 22, 2019, 07:14:33 PM
Taylor won't have left us to join Northampton on even the same pay he got from us. He will now be demanding a pay that if he joins will put him in our top 5 earners. And as Ive said before....he wont be wanting to join up as a squad player.

Devlin would have been the highest paid player at Accies as captain. But they pay peanuts....I doubt he is getting much more than somewhere around our average pay which would leave him as one of the worst paid first teamers. And rightly so having had his knee reconstructed twice. He was a gamble when we signed him

Would imagine when they got relegated he would have had to take a pay cut. Depends on the terms of his contract I suppose.

Either way, it's not as if Aberdeen will be in a bidding war for him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 22, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
I see that Cammy Kerr is out of contract at Dundee, not for one second advocating we go all out to sign him, but given Logan has agreed an extension and will likely remain our 1st choice RB, and Ball is a total clusterfuck at RB, could he not be brought in to keep Logan on his toes and even provide decent enough cover for Injury/Suspension? Doubt he'd cost too much wage wise and he's still relatively young.

Also, Josh McEachran & Craig Bryson are also free, Bryson would maybe command too big a wage, but he's 32 now, might be content with 1st team football at a club like ourselves, and he's a very good footballer who would bring something to our team as well as aid the likes of Lewis Ferguson & Dean Campbell. Josh McEachran is left footed and also has decent enough pedigree, although he's fairly moved around in England, maybe a break away from down there and a fresh start up here could kick him on a bit? Could finally replace Kenny McLean?

These are obviously just suggestions and what I'd like to see, particularly someone like Bryson, I think that would be an excellent addition and we could still get a few seasons out of him.   
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CtS on May 22, 2019, 09:10:02 PM
This whole thread is possibly the most depressing thing I’ve ever read....  :'(
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 22, 2019, 11:22:11 PM
This whole thread is possibly the most depressing thing I’ve ever read....  :'(


Could you imagine the lift we'd get if the club announced that we were letting Gleeson go? They could bury the signings of Ash and Main in that news.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 23, 2019, 01:28:23 AM

 Kerr isn't the worst shout by any manner of means but I'd still rather we went all out for Cadden who would give us more options.

But before that.....i want a left back!!!!

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 23, 2019, 01:38:48 AM
Kerr isn't the worst shout by any manner of means but I'd still rather we went all out for Cadden who would give us more options.

But before that.....i want a left back!!!!

We went for Cadden last year and he turned us down. His agent was all for the move.

Apparently wanted to stay in the central belt.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 23, 2019, 02:42:54 AM
Guess a problem being that we haven't actually played football in nearly 2 years.  Maybe that's putting players off?  It's widely known among other fans that we are a horrific watch.  I'm sure this doesn't get ignored by some players in Scotland.

I'm with CtS, this is one of the most depressing threads i've read in a long time. If this is the calibre of player we're after, we'll do well to finish in the top 6 next season. Moving Gash on was a step in the right direction.  Get some fucking imagination McIness. This is shite.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 23, 2019, 09:34:32 AM
We went for Cadden last year and he turned us down. His agent was all for the move.

Apparently wanted to stay in the central belt.

He hasn't signed the contract offered by Motherwell and (this is unconfirmed) supposedly turned an offer from Hearts down. Not really sure what credible options that would leave him there.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 23, 2019, 09:45:48 AM
I hope that the names that are mentioned so far are just squad fillers. I dont really see the point in Main when we have Stevie May. And Ash Taylor isnt a step up but is a half decent back-up. Mcinnes does sometimes pull something out of nowhere. Im hoping hes got a couple of decent signings lined up that we are not expecting.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 23, 2019, 11:30:11 AM
I hope that the names that are mentioned so far are just squad fillers. I dont really see the point in Main when we have Stevie May. And Ash Taylor isnt a step up but is a half decent back-up. Mcinnes does sometimes pull something out of nowhere. Im hoping hes got a couple of decent signings lined up that we are not expecting.

We can't really afford squad signings before we make our actual signings though (unless it is on a one-in-one-out basis - May for Main). Squad signings should only happen after the proper signings or as a renewal of existing players' contracts.

Take Taylor, there are only 3 options:

1. He's being signed as our first 11 right-sided defender, with existing players (Devlin) becoming a squad player
2. He's being signed as squad filler on top of existing players
3. He's being signed as squad filler to replace existing players and also supplemented by further signings in that position - thus we are building a big squad.

If it's the first, then we're probably all in agreement that he isn't really an improvement on Devlin (when fit)?

If it's the second then do we think that the Devlin/Taylor standard is good enough (given Devlin's form on return)?

If it's the third option then shouldn't we be looking at a better standard with less filler? Or, shouldn't our filler be guys like Ball who could potentially cover a few positions (i.e. not Taylor)? Or do we need that level (pay level) of filler in defence specifically rather than better players elsewhere?

To me, Taylor only fits in a scenario where we've attempted to sign a really good centre half and realised he's not that good so we just need a guy who we're certain is decentish as a safe signing because we know a lot about him already. Or, if we've got an agreement with a risky centre half signing like Hobban, who we know is good but might spend a chunk of the season injured. What am I missing?


Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on May 23, 2019, 12:04:07 PM
Taylor says to me McKenna is defo off and maine suggests to me that cossy might be off too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 23, 2019, 12:09:50 PM
We can't really afford squad signings before we make our actual signings though (unless it is on a one-in-one-out basis - May for Main). Squad signings should only happen after the proper signings or as a renewal of existing players' contracts.

Take Taylor, there are only 3 options:

1. He's being signed as our first 11 right-sided defender, with existing players (Devlin) becoming a squad player
2. He's being signed as squad filler on top of existing players
3. He's being signed as squad filler to replace existing players and also supplemented by further signings in that position - thus we are building a big squad.

If it's the first, then we're probably all in agreement that he isn't really an improvement on Devlin (when fit)?

If it's the second then do we think that the Devlin/Taylor standard is good enough (given Devlin's form on return)?

If it's the third option then shouldn't we be looking at a better standard with less filler? Or, shouldn't our filler be guys like Ball who could potentially cover a few positions (i.e. not Taylor)? Or do we need that level (pay level) of filler in defence specifically rather than better players elsewhere?

To me, Taylor only fits in a scenario where we've attempted to sign a really good centre half and realised he's not that good so we just need a guy who we're certain is decentish as a safe signing because we know a lot about him already. Or, if we've got an agreement with a risky centre half signing like Hobban, who we know is good but might spend a chunk of the season injured. What am I missing?

Would say that this is the most feasible suggestion, Considine will likely be our 1st choice CB ( Left Sided ) alongside either Taylor or Devlin, and Hoban will be offered the chance to join us and get back to match fitness, but that's ages away, so perhaps McInnes will think that a CB pairing of Devlin/Considine or Taylor/Considine will be enough to see us through until Hoban is fully fit. FWIW I think Considine will be made Captain as well and I'd go as far to say that this will be his last season for us in where he'll feature a lot, I think after this season, he'll find himself further down the pecking order and will only really feature if covering injury/suspension.

That is all assuming McKenna leaves in this window of course.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 23, 2019, 12:14:11 PM
maybe underlying issue here is scouting set up saw a write up from someone that was at the strategy q and a thingy, appears we have one scout and a scouting software and he is overwhelmed......
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 23, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
Be sad if Devlin becomes no more than a squad filler as he looked the real deal when he first started playing for us, can only assume injuries have taken their toll on him, which would be a shame.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 23, 2019, 01:51:01 PM
Taylor says to me McKenna is defo off and maine suggests to me that cossy might be off too.

But if McKenna were off it would be a left sided CH we required

At this time hes still our player. I think (and i keep coming back to this)....Devlin's inability to usurp Considine from the starting 11 since his supposed return to fitness in February, allied to his inability to play a full 90 minutes when included through injury/suspension is screaming out there is far more to Devlin's fitness issues than the club are letting on.

Gash is limited. He knows it...we know it. But he will not, at his age, be signing for anyone (at our level) to play second fiddle to anyone. Nor do I believe he will come particulary cheaply either. He does supposedly have other options and I'm really hoping he chooses one of them but I fear the worst.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 23, 2019, 04:09:12 PM
We started last season with Considine, McKenna, Devlin, Hoban and Lowe for players capable of playing the left back and centre back positions.

Hoban and Lowe have gone and we know that DM has gone with Considine primarily at left back in the past.  If Devlin is going to struggle to play a whole season and McKenna may be sold then if we sign Taylor and Shaughnessy I think both would pretty sure of playing a lot of games whether they are first choice or not.

I'd expect we will sign a left back of sorts whether it is a first choice or cover for Andy C as I would expect him to revert to left back next season as it seems to be where the manager sees him unless there are injuries to the centre backs (not saying I necessarily agree with DMs view there  :().
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 23, 2019, 05:04:33 PM
I'd expect we will sign a left back of sorts whether it is a first choice or cover for Andy C as I would expect him to revert to left back next season as it seems to be where the manager sees him unless there are injuries to the centre backs (not saying I necessarily agree with DMs view there  :().

I don't think DM sees Considine as a left back anymore. Lowe was deliberately signed to strengthen that area leaving Considine as backup at the start of the season as it was obvious it was an issue. He clearly recognised it was an issue, and when Lowe was rumoured not to be returning in January he was touted as being in the market for immediate replacements.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 23, 2019, 07:09:50 PM
McInnes has said he hopes to bring in "eight or nine players".

You would imagine that's at least one striker, presuming May is staying to see out his contract. That's possibly Main. Anderson might see more game time next season.

Replacements for GMS, Stewart, Shinnie.

There's still another five players there, plus he's already been on record as saying the likes of Campbell, Ethan Ross, McLennan will all see more game time. Scott Wright seemed to do okay at Dundee. Frank Ross is probably a candidate to go out on loan considering he missed so much of the season through injury.

So wouldn't be trying to second guess the defence just yet, as imagine a few more than Taylor will be coming in - even if that includes loan signings. Even if they sign Hoban, chances are he won't be fit for Europa League/League Cup, so we'd still need cover.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 23, 2019, 08:06:08 PM
Not sure why anyone is even mentioning Hoban right now. Cruciate is 9 months out minimum before even starting light training. Injury in Feb = not ready to start training till November at the very earliest, Will then need to build up muscle wastage....so looking at after the January break at the absolute earliest of him being able to play....and could be longer if indeed ever. No way will be signing him until he can prove that hes fit to continue....even a 1 year deal as it stands could end up being money down the toilet
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on May 23, 2019, 09:13:25 PM
I don’t think we should even be considering Hoban if Devlin is anything less than 100% ‘normal.’ While Tommie was impressive, with our limited funds we can’t sign a guy who may have little or no career left.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 23, 2019, 09:55:53 PM
I'm mentioning Hoban simply because McInnes has hinted he would like to sign him, so he's likely in some sort of long term plan.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 24, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/1755681/five-potential-transfer-targets-for-aberdeen-as-derek-mcinnes-plots-summer-rebuild-at-pittodrie/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 24, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
Taking an absolute flyer. Purely speculating with no substance whatsoever to their article


Silly fucking season indeed
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on May 24, 2019, 12:59:44 PM
They're also incorrect about Main, a deal hasn't as yet been agreed (not saying it won't. But Hearts are still in the running).
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 24, 2019, 01:01:14 PM
On the EE site that we are interested in Wilson, just made up reporting during the quiet season or a genuine story?

I'll go against the grain here and say I would gamble on him, IF we could get him on a decent wage, highly unlikely, but he may be open to using us a stepping stone to get his career back on track.

Talent wise he is possibly head and shoulders above any other player we currently have, but whether we can get the talent out on the pitch every week is another matter, but would take him over Main everyday of the week.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 24, 2019, 02:11:00 PM
Pretty sure they're just taking a flyer on it. Reported in the Retard earlier, probably stole story off of them. Back in February they had Shinnie off to sevco…….Retard have form for taking punts on any old shyte.


FWIW I think he's just too inconsistent to take a punt on. He will certainly have to take a huge drop on the £30k/week wherever he ends up but I'm absolutely certain that an EFL1 side will offer him a higher wage than we can in order to make him their marquee signing. He'd demand to be our best paid player....and if he had another season or three under contract to us like the one he's just had then it'd be a lot of cash thrown down the shitter.


On our budget we need proven quality. We wasted enough recently on Tansey, Forrester, Gleeson......and Wilson
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 24, 2019, 03:01:27 PM
^^^^^^

This, got to agree.  Cannot see what the attraction would be in signing Wilson on a permanent deal.  He played 29 games last season, starting just 12 and playing the 90 mins only 5 times, scoring a paltry 4 goals.  I can literally only remember him having 3 good games in a Dons shirt.  Surely we could do much better for far less cash.

I would much rather that we took a punt on a hungry youngster from one of Scotland's lower divisions.  Wilson is washed up and heading for the scrap heap. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on May 24, 2019, 03:42:43 PM
^^^^^^

This, got to agree.  Cannot see what the attraction would be in signing Wilson on a permanent deal.  He played 29 games last season, starting just 12 and playing the 90 mins only 5 times, scoring a paltry 4 goals.  I can literally only remember him having 3 good games in a Dons shirt.  Surely we could do much better for far less cash.

I would much rather that we took a punt on a hungry youngster from one of Scotland's lower divisions.  Wilson is washed up and heading for the scrap heap.


Your second last sentence is the key one for me. We paid for Lewis Ferguson and found a solid player there, this is the type of signing I'd really like to see every single year. Add to that, every year I'd like to see players like McKenna given a chance, Anderson, Campbell, and McLennan this season. Tired of the league 1 and 2 shit, youth plus signing the best youth in the country should be an absolute priority.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tom_widdows on May 25, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Arsenal allegedly chasing Ryan Fraser for £30million with tottenham also keen

If so that would supposedly see £6million making its way into the AFC coffers.

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l1KubUu8i86hTJ6es/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115ce907377776363041adb478&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on May 25, 2019, 12:10:08 PM
Supposedly, Liverpool one of the clubs in for Fraser, problem with that, is Bournemouth want a Liverpool player, so swap deal
would not help us financially.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 25, 2019, 09:51:52 PM
If that were to become true, would only add to my dislike of that club  :thumbsup:

Go to arsenal or spurs, fraser. We want the money.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 27, 2019, 12:01:57 PM
craig conway available ?? too old ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 27, 2019, 03:09:11 PM
craig conway available ?? too old ?

Too shite.....

Oh hang on. We signed Forrester
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 27, 2019, 05:47:50 PM
Departures confirmed, no real surprises as it is mostly loans.

OUT - Greg Stewart, James Wilson, Dom Ball, Greg Halford, Max Lowe and a few youth players, David Craddock, Morgan Brown, Ryan Harrington. Add to that Shinnie & Reynolds who have signed elsewhere.



Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on May 27, 2019, 07:43:01 PM
Departures confirmed, no real surprises as it is mostly loans.

OUT - Greg Stewart, James Wilson, Dom Ball, Greg Halford, Max Lowe and a few youth players, David Craddock, Morgan Brown, Ryan Harrington. Add to that Shinnie & Reynolds who have signed elsewhere.


Think we will see 2 of those loanees return.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 27, 2019, 07:57:08 PM
According to the good people of Twitter, listening in to the Radio, Scott MacDonald just said that we have indeed signed Curtis Main.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 27, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
Urgh. I was hoping no news was good news.

As a side, i'm looking forward to boo Mcdonald next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on May 27, 2019, 10:51:07 PM
I often thought Scott McDonald would have been such a better option for us over some of the dross we've had last two or three years probably even better than Main potentially.   
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on May 28, 2019, 09:03:07 PM
Frank Ross signs a new 1 year deal with option for a further 12 months.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/aberdeen-fc/donsnews/aberdeen-midfielder-ross-pens-new-deal/amp/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on May 28, 2019, 09:17:34 PM
Frank Ross signs a new 1 year deal with option for a further 12 months.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/aberdeen-fc/donsnews/aberdeen-midfielder-ross-pens-new-deal/amp/


Frank is still alive then ?  Looked very decent earlier on this season & then disappeared of the face of the planet. :eek:
Hopefully kick on coming season :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 28, 2019, 09:56:51 PM
Ross's crime was to come on v. Sevco and score a "worldie", as that old drunk Merson likes to say.

Then, cos he had no option, McInnes started him the next game at Dens.

And subbed him off at HT, the worst professional insult any footballer could get.

Particularly as he wasn't having a bad game. The whole team were shite that day.

He has never been seen since.

Despite our manager being so twisted against young prospects, the AFC fans chant his name.

They must be stupid, or know fuck all about fitba, probably both.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on May 28, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
He played a few games in the early season (St Mirren in the cup springs to mind) and I think may have even scored? Anyway, he got injured and hasn't returned. I suspect that's why the 1 year has been given as he missed a huge amount of the season and we'd like to give him a chance, which seems fair. I'm not convinced he'll make it, I didn't think he had the pace to play out wide and not the strength to play centrally, but hope I'm wrong.

Interesting that GMS isn't in the list of departures. Could see him back in a dons strip next season? Could do a lot worse like, fantastic player on his day.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 29, 2019, 03:16:36 AM
He played a few games in the early season (St Mirren in the cup springs to mind) and I think may have even scored? Anyway, he got injured and hasn't returned. I suspect that's why the 1 year has been given as he missed a huge amount of the season and we'd like to give him a chance, which seems fair. I'm not convinced he'll make it, I didn't think he had the pace to play out wide and not the strength to play centrally, but hope I'm wrong.

Interesting that GMS isn't in the list of departures. Could see him back in a dons strip next season? Could do a lot worse like, fantastic player on his day.

His RedTV interview before / after (can't remember which) the last game of the season seemed far from confirming his exit
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 29, 2019, 06:58:06 AM
I see Frank Ross as more a central attacking midfielder than a winger, but hard to tell if he can make it based on the game time he has had to date, possibly not helped by injury.

If GMS is staying we need to ensure he is fit to play football, he was out for a hell of a long time last season. On his day a great player to have, but on other days worse than a man short.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on May 29, 2019, 09:45:17 AM

If GMS is staying we need to ensure he is fit to play football, he was out for a hell of a long time last season. On his day a great player to have, but on other days worse than a man short.

McInnes doesn't seem to mind such scenarios. He signed (twice) and regularly selected Greg Stewart after all
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on May 30, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
Its gone awfully quiet the last few days.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on May 30, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
Was expecting some news this week, or did dm say a fortnight? Maybe the club saw the backlash on the main signing and rescinded it  :rofl:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: donsdaft on May 30, 2019, 09:01:53 PM
They'll have their eyes on the season ticket sales.

I haven't heard word of any online counter this season.

I'm not saying that there isn't one, just that I hadn't heard of one.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 30, 2019, 09:27:11 PM
Would also imagine that staff and players will all be away abroad on holiday etc...

Last I heard was that we have, as it stands right now, signed 3 players on a pre-contract, a Centre Back, Winger & a Striker.

I hope we'll have more clarity next week at some stage. The players will be back training in the not to distant future I would imagine, given we are in Europe.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tzetanov on May 30, 2019, 10:01:09 PM
Would be very surprised if Taylor , Main and GMS aren’t paraded next week. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on May 31, 2019, 07:57:50 AM
Would be very surprised if Taylor , Main and GMS aren’t paraded next week.

He'll be like a new signing.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 01, 2019, 11:14:13 AM
Supposed to be after McGeough again, not getting much a sniff at Soonderland.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 01, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
As are Hivs. And of course the Retard have linked him with sevco as they now seem to do all our targets....let's face it sevco haven't got enough midfielders...………………………..

And I hope to f@ck someone else gets him. Massively overrated. Couldn't get into a Sunderland side that was unable to get out EFL1 and on £8k/week. Can't see Sunderland paying up his contract but if they want to ship him out on loan they'd need to stump up minimum 50% of that....if it were to a Scottish club more likely 75%.

Have seen others say he'd be an upgrade on Gleeson. Maybe marginally....more mobile certainly  but as I say....I hope he goes elsewhere. If we are to sign a Hivs target then please let it be McNulty
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 01, 2019, 01:16:05 PM
Think McNulty is signing for Coventry Ten Caat.

Side note, the winger allegedly already signed a pre-contract is Ryan Hedges.

I know absolutely nothing about him. A quick look on Wikipedia though, He's been capped 3 times for Wales since 2017 and more recently played 50+ games for Barnsley, scoring twice. He's 6ft 1" though, pretty tall for a winger.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on June 01, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Nigerian international attacking midfielder spotted in the city...

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/court/money-laundering-charge-for-okocha/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 01, 2019, 03:58:08 PM
Nigerian international attacking midfielder spotted in the city...

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/court/money-laundering-charge-for-okocha/

For one horrible moment I thought we were about to re-sign Aluko
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 01, 2019, 04:39:11 PM
Peter O'Rourke now reporting that we have agreed a deal to sign Hedges. This is a snippet from the Daily Record though.

Aberdeen have agreed a deal to sign Barnsley winger Ryan Hedges - according to a report.

The 23-year-old was a vital member of a Tykes side which earned promotion to the Championship last season.

The Wales international is available on a free after deciding against extending his stay in Yorkshire and is currently undergoing a medical with the Dons, claim Football Insider.

Hedges has earned three caps for his country since Ryan Giggs took charge.

It could be a double boost for Aberdeen with New York City unlikely to make a move for Gary Mackay-Steven after .a change of formation.


Apparently undertaking a Medical, or is due to undertake a medical.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 01, 2019, 05:14:00 PM

 Know nothing about the boy,but mildly surprised he's chosen here ahead of the championship,but welcome aboard to the loon.Got to be an upgrade on Rooney/Stewart/Wilson on the wing   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 01, 2019, 05:36:49 PM
 Like Elgindon I can't claim to know too much about him, but at a good age, full international and his club wanted to keep him, so sounds like he could be ok. Apparently got MOTM on his international debut
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on June 01, 2019, 06:28:18 PM
Lad in my under 14’s is a big Barnsley fan describes him as a “decent winger, played for Wales for a while, didn’t get much game time this season”
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on June 01, 2019, 06:30:51 PM
Surprised Hibs wouldn’t be in for him if he’s a good player available on a free from Barnsley. Sounds promising enough though and still quite young too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: bearsdenred on June 01, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwA7CJ8iwdY

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 01, 2019, 11:56:53 PM
 Sad reflection on how far Scottish football has fallen that Barnsley are even mentioned in the same breath as us. 30 years ago every single Barnsley player would have crawled all the way up with 2 broken legs to sign for us.

Anyway welcome aboard loon. Not sure if this confirms GMS has had the stay/go decision taken out of his hands by the club?

Notice a few Barnsley fans saying he's often injured.....aye DM does like a loon that's well acquainted with the A+E department.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 02, 2019, 12:10:22 AM
That's nonsense. I can't think of ONE poster on here who "harps back to the 80's and is unwilling to let go of the past".
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 02, 2019, 12:34:30 AM
Mate who is a Barnsley fan described Hedges as “not a bad player, wasn’t a regular starter for us but good impact sub”. Played for Wales in recent friendly against Trinidad which I watched and cannot say that I remember him from it but he was apparently man of the match.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 02, 2019, 10:51:03 PM
At least hedges sounds promising, but hopefully he's not another crock
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 03, 2019, 06:14:35 AM
 Bit of confusion with the 'not a regular starter',along with the 'pivotal' player comments.Had a look and he played 25 times last season.Cant find the sub appearances but he averaged around 35mins a game going by stats.
17 off the bench according to p and j
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 03, 2019, 08:53:51 AM
Bit of confusion with the 'not a regular starter',along with the 'pivotal' player comments.Had a look and he played 25 times last season.Cant find the sub appearances but he averaged around 35mins a game going by stats.
17 off the bench according to p and j

Soccerbase website has him playing 59 times since joining Barnsley in January 2017. 41 of those from the bench.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 03, 2019, 09:53:52 AM
Get the impression he's shown a bit of potential and for one reason or another, not really fulfilled it, I read he's Injury Prone and I also read that he makes little to no impact when he starts games, he's usually more effective as a substitution.

Supposed to be unveiled today, we will see.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 03, 2019, 10:21:06 AM
There's a lot of potential in yer wingers fae down South like, so it's an interesting signing if it happens. It's entirely different down there if yer a McGinn style winger and those types often struggle to fit in due to the more physical approach. That said, if we're looking at Main and the like then he'll struggle to fit into that more direct approach too. The biggest concern is that, at 6ft1, he's going to be nowhere near tall enough to keep an Ash Taylor pass from going out of play.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 03, 2019, 11:02:20 AM
guess this might be someone with potential or maybe thats the filter russ richardson has on his fm database.. lets hope its not a forrester mark 2
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 03, 2019, 12:07:20 PM
guess this might be someone with potential or maybe thats the filter russ richardson has on his fm database.. lets hope its not a forrester mark 2

A Forrester mk2 should see the entire management and scouting teams binned.

Overall fan reaction to this one seems to be "meh". That he is a full Wales cap has to be to his advantage though....they'd destroy Scotland at the minute. Although if there are and Welsh versions of Donsdaft tuning in....he's English by birth

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on June 03, 2019, 04:00:59 PM
Simon Church was a Welsh international when we signed him too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: afc1903mad on June 03, 2019, 04:08:21 PM
Simon Church was a Welsh international when we signed him too.

I though Simon Church did a job for us at the time we needed cover for Rooney.
6vgoals in 13 games was nae a bad return.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 03, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
I though Simon Church did a job for us at the time we needed cover for Rooney.
6vgoals in 13 games was nae a bad return.

I agree min, thought some of the criticism directed his way was a tad OTT.
We've certainly had a lot worse than him playing up front in years gone by.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 03, 2019, 05:25:48 PM
He was pap. Very limited. A poor man's Scott Vernon.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 04, 2019, 09:20:01 AM
Weve been linked with Alex Gorrin as a replacement for shinnie. Anyone know if hes any good?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on June 04, 2019, 09:33:06 AM
This comes up if you google him. Doesn't sound like Shinnie at all.

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/analysis/rangers-performance-shows-why-motherwells-alex-rodriguez-gorrin-shouldnt-move-to-the-championship/ (https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/analysis/rangers-performance-shows-why-motherwells-alex-rodriguez-gorrin-shouldnt-move-to-the-championship/)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 04, 2019, 09:42:42 AM
Former Wellington phoenix boy, very highly thought of here. Refer to him as a-rod, which is a bit too yanky for me

As a side, we'd do worse than signing some of the nz u-20 team. Many of them have bright futures and will be cheap.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 04, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
Wonder if getting him on board would kill any move for Dom Ball stone dead. With Ball having been on Championship level wages at Rotherham, he's likely going to want at least equivalent which would instantly plonk him right in with our top earners.

Gorrin would be significantly cheaper. Better though? Not entirely convinced. Have absolutely no recollection of him playing at all, though quite obviously he did regularly in second half of the season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: afc1903mad on June 04, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
That’s Ryan Hedges signed a pre-contract

https://www.afc.co.uk/2019/06/04/ryan-hedges-signs-pre-contract/ (https://www.afc.co.uk/2019/06/04/ryan-hedges-signs-pre-contract/)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 04, 2019, 02:58:47 PM
McInnes Hedges his bets on Welsh wonderkid.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 04, 2019, 03:20:39 PM
Welcome to Aberdeen FC, Ryan.

None of us know what we're getting here, but he's done enough to earn 3 caps for Wales, and played some part in helping Barnsley win promotion to the Championship. Only 23 years old also, so not the finished article, could be a coup, or could be a Forrester, time will tell, but it's a positive bit of news on a personally dreary day.

Who's next I wonder.....

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 04, 2019, 03:47:34 PM
Manuel Benson
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: afc1903mad on June 04, 2019, 04:36:49 PM
Manuel Benson

I thought we were trying to get a loan deal for this creative midfielder. ;)

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/...r/josh-benson/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 04, 2019, 05:06:39 PM
Confirmation that Ash Taylor's re-signed, 2 year contract.

This will go down well  :rofl: We all knew it was happening, so hardly a surprise.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 04, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
For those that don't believe KFP....

https://www.afc.co.uk/2019/06/04/ashton-re-joins-the-dons/ (https://www.afc.co.uk/2019/06/04/ashton-re-joins-the-dons/)

Fuck sake dons.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 04, 2019, 05:39:27 PM
holy shitballs , aurora dna , punching above our weight... big gash returns...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 04, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
 Ooft,Hopefully working alongside one of McKenna,or a fit focussed Devlin will keep him in line.,and a lot will depend how the crowd take to him.Ach well,welcome back min  :wave:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 04, 2019, 05:45:02 PM
Ooft,Hopefully working alongside one of McKenna,or a fit focussed Devlin will keep him in line.,and a lot will depend how the crowd take to him.Ach well,welcome back min  :wave:

Think you & I went to a home game vs Hamilton, big Ash scored a cracking header and in general, bossed the game, he was playing sublime passes also, and yes, I appreciate the opposition wasn't great, but if he could recapture that he'd be a fine player. The only downside is though, he had more hairy moments than most, but I'll back him, he's our player again, it's done, we move on. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 04, 2019, 05:52:02 PM
the fact he left for northampton and has been let go tells you all you need to know
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 04, 2019, 05:55:08 PM
Think you & I went to a home game vs Hamilton, big Ash scored a cracking header and in general, bossed the game, he was playing sublime passes also, and yes, I appreciate the opposition wasn't great, but if he could recapture that he'd be a fine player. The only downside is though, he had more hairy moments than most, but I'll back him, he's our player again, it's done, we move on.

    McKenna and Devlin are an upgrade on his partner last time(Considine?),so can only hope that ups his game.Must admit,at the time,even with mistakes,he did give us a required presence at the back,and you could see a player in there if he ironed out/anticipated errors from previous mistakes,or at least if he's too thick,someone to point out what he's doing wrong.Cant be that hard..

 ps the last game i remember us being at,was it Utd? Thing I remember about it was we both agreed the crowd was around 13'000,but it was reported as 17'000.   :o 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 04, 2019, 06:13:52 PM
the fact he left for northampton and has been let go tells you all you need to know

I suspect that's more a cost cutting measure rather than a direct slight on Gash's ability. Northampton thought they'd bounce straight back up after relegation. That they didn't alters their financial plan significantly.

What concerns me is I just can't see him signing for anyone at this stage of his career to play back up to anyone. If McKenna is away then I suppose he could be paired with Devlin but the majority of clubs now prefer a left footer/right footer centre back combination as their first choice pairing these days. If McKenna isn't away...can Devlin keep Taylor out???
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 04, 2019, 06:25:12 PM
rose , halkett , guy hibs have signed , would they have been better ??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 04, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
And there we have it, our new captain for season 2019/20
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 04, 2019, 06:33:04 PM
And there we have it, our new captain for season 2019/20

Don’t even joke about that.

Step backwards that he is back.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 04, 2019, 06:41:03 PM
Says a lot of our scouting or lack of. Happy to give Hedges a chance but I'm never a fan of players returning to a club. While different, he's another Considine, good moments and goals canceled out by the fuck ups that cost us goals and games. Booo!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 04, 2019, 08:13:53 PM
Trying to think what D.M 's plan is  ??? selling McKenna,  take it we have given up on big Joe from St.J now ?? 
McKenna/Taylor
Taylor/ Devlin
No way big Ash is going to be back up, is McInnes thinking of playing 3 at the back  ???
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 04, 2019, 08:24:14 PM
rose , halkett , guy hibs have signed , would they have been better ??

I liked the look of Halkett, he's also relatively young and caused problems for opposition defenders at set pieces, whilst nodding in a few himself. He also looked mobile for a big unit, I'd have preferred us to pursue that type of signing as well, but maybe Hearts beat us to it, or maybe we were after him as well and he chose Hearts, who knows.

I can see it being a Taylor - Considine partnership this coming season, I reckon we'll see Devlin papped to the bench, only returning if Taylor flops, or to cover injury/suspension. McInnes trusts Considine, he now hopefully recognises he's NOT a Left Back now, whilst doing an admirable job there for several seasons, he's definitely beyond it now, again, barring injury/suspension cover. McKenna will go this window, to the highest bidder, so that really leaves the Left Back spot, if we can get Lowe back, then superb, if not, we'll have another player from a similar Club lined up for a loan.

The whole back 3 thing has been an utter fucking bombscare, and I don't think it has actually worked any time we've deployed it, so again, hopefully McInnes recognises this and isn't tempted.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 04, 2019, 08:33:35 PM
Says a lot of our scouting or lack of. Happy to give Hedges a chance but I'm never a fan of players returning to a club.

That's a bit of a stupidly general rule. The fact that Taylor returning isn't the issue, it's the fact that we know he's not that good.


Quote
While different, he's another Considine, good moments and goals canceled out by the fuck ups that cost us goals and games. Booo!

Considine is miles better than Ash with the ball at his feet. Devlin too, for that matter. That's the issue. With one right sided defender who is poor on the ball (Devlin), we needed a player who is far more comfortable on the ball than Taylor (Hoban-type). Devlin and Taylor are both uncomfortable on their strong foot, so to consider a partnership of the two of them with one playing on their wrong side is seriously playing to our weaknesses. I can only assume McKenna is staying and so Considine and him will cover left, and Taylor and Devlin right with little need for cross over. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 04, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
That's a bit of a stupidly general rule. The fact that Taylor returning isn't the issue, it's the fact that we know he's not that good.


Considine is miles better than Ash with the ball at his feet. Devlin too, for that matter. That's the issue. With one right sided defender who is poor on the ball (Devlin), we needed a player who is far more comfortable on the ball than Taylor (Hoban-type). Devlin and Taylor are both uncomfortable on their strong foot, so to consider a partnership of the two of them with one playing on their wrong side is seriously playing to our weaknesses. I can only assume McKenna is staying and so Considine and him will cover left, and Taylor and Devlin right with little need for cross over.


What's the stupid rule? I didn't make a rule. I just said I'm not a fan of players returning to the club. Move on and move forward in my opinion. I also stated "while different." I'm not saying he's a photocopy of Considine. I'm just saying that he's limited and prone to mistakes, much like Andy. Again, I'd like us to move forward and look for better.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 04, 2019, 09:05:41 PM
Been in the pipeline for a while but doesn't make it any more disappointing reading that it's happened. Not what we need and a big step backwards as he won't be playing backup. Dm hasn't a fucking clue. Lazy signing. Again.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 05, 2019, 12:38:03 AM
I liked the look of Halkett, he's also relatively young and caused problems for opposition defenders at set pieces, whilst nodding in a few himself. He also looked mobile for a big unit, I'd have preferred us to pursue that type of signing as well, but maybe Hearts beat us to it, or maybe we were after him as well and he chose Hearts, who knows.

We were definitely interested in him but Halkett's wife wanted to stay in the Central belt hence his decision to go to Hearts. Reason he is so mobile is that in modern day terms he is a midget in central defensive terms....6ft dead, In no way a big unit...
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 05, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Welcome back Ashton

Sure you must be feeling the love and warmth that is greeting your return.

As with all things in life, time will provide the wisdom of this move
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 05, 2019, 11:22:58 AM
We were definitely interested in him but Halkett's wife wanted to stay in the Central belt hence his decision to go to Hearts. Reason he is so mobile is that in modern day terms he is a midget in central defensive terms....6ft dead, In no way a big unit...

I mean he's a unit in terms of his stature, he's fairly well built, and 6ft is still tall enough for a CB, who has decent pace as well. He'll do well at Hearts, hopefully big Ash towers above him in both boxes when we we play them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 05, 2019, 04:53:48 PM
goal machine curtis main signed
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 05, 2019, 05:00:55 PM
Indeed, Curtis Main now confirmed as well, 2 year contract.

That's 3 in the last 2 days, hopefully this is a continuation for the next few days, I'm not entirely sure where else we need to strengthen, other than LB, CDM & CAM. So if we added 3 more players, would everyone be pleased that we're ready to head into the new season?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 05, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
lets see re hedges but my feeling is gash and main are in the shiter category
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CvB on June 05, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
goal machine curtis main signed

Just saw his picture and he's not even the Motherwell player I thought he was.  :hammer:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 05, 2019, 05:53:43 PM
Cant say im excited about this signing but i presume hes came in as an inexpensive back up. If thats the case he might not be a bad squad player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 05, 2019, 07:21:57 PM
Cant say im excited about this signing but i presume hes came in as an inexpensive back up. If thats the case he might not be a bad squad player.

Signing an awful lot of squad players then.

We are going to be brutal to watch next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 05, 2019, 07:31:38 PM
Are we bypassing midfield next season ?   Needing at least 2 midfielders i.m.o!  Ball winner/creative midfielder. :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 05, 2019, 07:52:08 PM
Cant say im excited about this signing but i presume hes came in as an inexpensive back up. If thats the case he might not be a bad squad player.

Not saying I'm excited either but i see him and Cosgrove battling it out for the starting number 9. Don't see Main as a set back up. Could also see Cosgrove sold and Main is the starter.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: hebrew on June 05, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
 I got completely laughed at in work today by fans of all teams for us resigning Taylor.
Like they are totally buzzing that he is back ffs  :hammer:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 05, 2019, 08:05:45 PM
Not saying I'm excited either but i see him and Cosgrove battling it out for the starting number 9. Don't see Main as a set back up. Could also see Cosgrove sold and Main is the starter.

Precisely. We're going to score zero goals next season. I think I'll be glad I can't watch most of the games.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 05, 2019, 08:11:09 PM
Precisely. We're going to score zero goals next season. I think I'll be glad I can't watch most of the games.

I don't see it that way. I think we struggle to create chances so the next signings are the crucial ones. Rooney scored a bunch due to the service of Hayes, McGinn, Christie, McLean etc, it's the much needed flair and creative player signings that will determine whether Main is a success in my opinion. If it's a midfield of Dom Ball, Gleeson, Dean Campbell, a past it McGinn, a hot/cold GMS, then I'd agree with you.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 05, 2019, 08:25:08 PM
I don't see it that way. I think we struggle to create chances so the next signings are the crucial ones. Rooney scored a bunch due to the service of Hayes, McGinn, Christie, McLean etc, it's the much needed flair and creative player signings that will determine whether Main is a success in my opinion. If it's a midfield of Dom Ball, Gleeson, Dean Campbell, a past it McGinn, a hot/cold GMS, then I'd agree with you.

Sorry, I meant if this was based upon the current signing calibre. I can't see McInnes having the imagination to sign whats required.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 05, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
Signing an awful lot of squad players then.

We are going to be brutal to watch next season.

I don't think Main is that bad, he's probably an upgrade on May. But we now have to actually get rid of May. Otherwise you're right, we've got a shite load of squad players. I appreciate that players come available at different times and that you have to get fall-back options, but I assumed we'd be signing our main (excuse the pun) targets first and that if they turned out to be shite we could then go for the guys we've signed.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 05, 2019, 09:18:21 PM
main is not that bad like cholera is an upgrade on dysentery, he has no goal scoring record main may , tried hard yet have worse goalscoring records than darren mackie hopeless useless detritus
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 05, 2019, 09:54:31 PM
Not saying I'm excited either but i see him and Cosgrove battling it out for the starting number 9. Don't see Main as a set back up. Could also see Cosgrove sold and Main is the starter.

Which is precisely the scenario I'm envisaging...possibly even hoping....will happen. Cosgrove's stock I really don't think will get any higher. £1million offer.....take the money and run. And do the same again, maybe not quite as cheap as £20k...maybe a young loon with potential for £200k or so and take the punt that he will make us five times that eventually.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 05, 2019, 11:04:18 PM
£1m for cosgrove thats as fucking deluded as the £10m for morelos
as
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 06, 2019, 04:41:31 AM
Can’t honestly say I’ve seen a lot of Curtis Main so watched some YouTube highlights. Most of his goals, including penalties, are very Adam Rooney-like, penalty box poacher right place right time type of thing. If he has Rooney’s success I’ll take that, but the key is the service, something I mentioned earlier, which was piss poor for much of the last year or two.

Next few signings are the key.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 06, 2019, 09:08:57 AM
£1m for cosgrove thats as fucking deluded as the £10m for morelos
as

And your valuation of him would be Einstein?

He's just outscored any player from the league champions (admittedly I don't think that will happen again). He's contracted for another 4 years. Therefore we hold all the cards. A club comes calling ( and there's rumoured interest from a Championship club) we can ask what we want...

Tell me exactly why £1millon is unreasonable?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 06, 2019, 09:17:33 AM
Agreed TC, it always boggles my mind how little football fans understand how transfers actually work. Only time a player will go for less than the value of the remainder of the contract is if the club is wanting them off the books. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 06, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
Tell me exactly why £1millon is unreasonable?

I don't think he's worth it. He's in that middle region that makes him not really suited to the English game. Not as strong as a Stockley type, not as mobile as a Magennis type and not good enough to play high end championship where his attributes (at a better level) might suit. He's not as good as likes of Steven Fletcher for example. That said, he has the potential to get there and could probably get to the level of a Steven McLean or Lee Miller in their prime. Despite the fact that he scored 20 goals this season, I don't really see him as a finisher. He doesn't ping the ball, he uses more of a swinging leg approach, which makes him that little bit slow to be a poacher. Transfermarkt has him valued at £225K, I would think that somewhere in the region of £500K with some well structured add-ons would be appropriate given length of contract. He could end up earning us close to £1M but I don't see any clubs risking that sort of straight outlay on him at the moment. He's a hard worker, and with a bit more intelligence and maturity he could easily increase his value again this season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 06, 2019, 09:22:03 AM
Agreed TC, it always boggles my mind how little football fans understand how transfers actually work. Only time a player will go for less than the value of the remainder of the contract is if the club is wanting them off the books.

The remainder of his contract (3 years?) will be worth about £200K probably.

Edit: apologies, miscalculated, probably £350K
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 06, 2019, 09:28:38 AM
Hopefully Main's addition is acceptance from the manager that Stevie May is no longer required. Send May to St Mirren or Hamilton etc... for a season long loan, in which he can be recalled if the need arises, get him regular games in his natural position and hopefully finds him his confidence back. Maybe he can still have a part to play but on the basis of that season there, he's not cut out just yet.

Cosgrove, on the other hand, whilst he was sluggish in terms of his goals at the beginning, he was still our best option up front, he was causing far more problems than May was and he at least started scoring, his goal return shouldn't be underestimated, it will be very interesting to see if he can maintain double figures moving forward, though.

I am more than happy to afford Curtis Main the opportunity. His signing seemed to go down a hell of a lot worse than Taylor's re-signing did. The negativity has been unreal, I absolutely get that his career total is rather underwhelming, but maybe we're going to go with 2 up front now, or maybe he'll suit us and McInnes's tactics better, who knows. I have a feeling he'll do okay to be honest. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 06, 2019, 09:43:26 AM
if sam scores another 20 plus goals the £1m valuation may seem less hyperbolic
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on June 06, 2019, 01:40:09 PM
Would anybody have gone with Kris Doolan over Curtis Main given length of contract the latter was given??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 06, 2019, 02:14:48 PM
Would anybody have gone with Kris Doolan over Curtis Main given length of contract the latter was given??

Nope. Doolan isn't good enough. A good finisher but slow as hell. A significantly poorer version of Rooney but in the same mould. Main is far more of a battering ram as well as capable of finishing if opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on June 06, 2019, 03:03:49 PM
Main's strength is his ability to bull defences. Defenders will hate playing against him. I've seen him bully the Huns and us something hellish. He's never had an amazing goal tally but I'm hopeful that he'll score more if we can get him some service. He might be an underwhelming signing but it's a damn sight better than Gash.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 06, 2019, 03:39:22 PM
Presumably main will play alongside cosgrove winning the ball and laying it off to him then? To be fair May doesnt offer us that option. I would have liked to see someone who could play up front on there own coming in.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on June 06, 2019, 04:23:36 PM
Presumably main will play alongside cosgrove winning the ball and laying it off to him then? To be fair May doesnt offer us that option. I would have liked to see someone who could play up front on there own coming in.

I think Cosgrova can play lone striker, he just needs the midfield behind him to do so.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 06, 2019, 06:18:27 PM
need to play ball into mains feet then hes 5,11
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 06, 2019, 07:49:30 PM
If we sell big Sam, i would expect £1/2m -£1m from the Championship, is he worth it ? course not, crazy money down there :eek:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Sandaldinho on June 06, 2019, 08:53:54 PM
I'd heard he viewed s himself as a winger?
No idea if it's true mind you
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 06, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
I'd heard he viewed s himself as a winger?
No idea if it's true mind you

With his goal scoring record it would perhaps be better if he has been bought in to play on the wing. I thought he was taller then 5'11 it must be because of his physicality.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 07, 2019, 06:46:31 AM
Happy enough with the lad Hedges signing for us, a young player who may be hungry for a chance to prove himself, the type of player we should be signing, hopefully it all works out well and happy to risk on guys like these providing they have been properly scouted.

Taylor and Main are a little bit worrying if that is the standard of player we are bringing in and I'm afraid they are more than just squad fillers. Taylor is not the worst defender we have ever had, not by a long way, but you just feel we should have moved on from him, he's not like a McGinn, who had something to offer by returning and offers that something extra on the field when required. Main I see as nothing more than a donkey and don't rate at all, yes he can bully defenders, but is a poor footballer and doesn't improves us other than being and tells me that I should prepare for another season of eye bleeding football.

Glad to be proved wrong though.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: OxfordDon on June 08, 2019, 01:23:36 PM
Definitely not whelmed or above by our signings so far.  Time will tell, but there's nothing in any of these players' provenance that excites the mind.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on June 08, 2019, 02:02:42 PM
I'm just hoping that McInnes' first choices are either proving difficult to get or are likely to take some time to come, so he's got a few back-up players in early to ensure we've a team for the early rounds of the Europa League. At the moment we'd be threadbare - McGinn, GMS (even if he stays), F.Ross all likely to be missing, Wilson away, Ball not yet signed, Shaughnessy has dragged on that long it's looking unlikely.

In that regard, Main, Taylor, Hedges and one or two more leave us in better shape than we ended last season.

But hopefully over summer the standard of signing is going to be much higher.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 08, 2019, 03:01:43 PM
At the moment the signing I am waiting for most is the autograph gms gives next. Would love it if we kept him.  Still annoyed we didn't try and get Scott Allan.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 08, 2019, 05:18:55 PM
At the moment the signing I am waiting for most is the autograph gms gives next. Would love it if we kept him.  Still annoyed we didn't try and get Scott Allan.

Agree about Allan but supposedly he had his heart set on joining Hibs...he thought Celtic were releasing him last summer but for whatever reason suddenly reneged on it and asked for a fee.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 09, 2019, 05:09:10 AM
At the moment the signing I am waiting for most is the autograph gms gives next. Would love it if we kept him.  Still annoyed we didn't try and get Scott Allan.

We may well have tried to get Allan, Halkett and a whole other bunch of players but a lot of people prefer to live in the central belt. The money we offer is only marginally more then Hibs and Hearts as they are both similar sized clubs.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 10, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
Daily Record reporting we're still interested in Scott Pittman. He signed a new contract in March remember, so would naturally involve us paying a fee, just never been impressed with him any time I have seen him, would be underwhelmed if we paid for him.

Also rumours resurfacing that we're going to back in for Christian Doidge, strange one if that's true, given we've added Main, and already have May & Cosgrove. Of course they could be moved on, sold in Cosgrove's case.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 10, 2019, 04:45:15 PM
They're taking a flyer. Not a hope in hell we will paying a fee for him, reports that he's interesting some Yank team in Cincinnatti...may be a bit more legs in that one given his father was a US international.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 11, 2019, 02:08:54 PM
Being reported in the press that Ball has rejected contract with Dons.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 11, 2019, 02:23:12 PM
great news
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 11, 2019, 02:31:07 PM
As mentioned several times, he was at the very best, a squad player. This isn't a gut punch or even remotely disappointing news.

We do though, need at least 3 midfielder's now. 1 x CAM, 2 x CDM.

Unless McInnes has aspirations of heading into next season with Gleeson & Ferguson as our sitting pair. Fuck that  :eek:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 11, 2019, 02:33:41 PM
Read this morning that we have pulled the plug on Shaghnessey deal. Not surprising with Ash Taylor coming in.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 11, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
Read this morning that we have pulled the plug on Shaghnessey deal. Not surprising with Ash Taylor coming in.

Indeed, saw something similar, if not the same thing, apparently Shaughnessy's old man was the problem, is he is agent or something? Joe was all but happy to sign the deal on the table but his old man wanted more wages ( Apparently )

So that's St Johnstone and now ourselves, pulled the plug. He'll end up at St Mirren or Motherwell.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 11, 2019, 07:04:08 PM
Ant the Sun going with Ball having pulled the plug on us....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 11, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Probably just wants to go back to living in England, wouldn't have been pissed off if he signed but hardly gutted he's not. Honest, hardworking, pro, good luck to him
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on June 12, 2019, 11:48:37 AM
I think we might end up missing Ball which is a fucking devastating comment to have to make. :(
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 13, 2019, 12:48:41 PM
sam roscoe just signed for ayr, would he have not been better all round option v gash ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 13, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
sam roscoe just signed for ayr, would he have not been better all round option v gash ?

Did not even know we had released him. Thought he always looked decent when I saw him for U20s and he was getting rave reviews for Alloa before he got injured.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 13, 2019, 05:37:25 PM
Stewart confirmed as signing for sevco. Bizarre signing for them, but at least hes not coming here.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 13, 2019, 06:17:40 PM
Stewart confirmed as signing for sevco. Bizarre signing for them, but at least hes not coming here.

There is a player in Greg Stewart, he's shown previously ( Dundee, earned a move to Engerland ) , and more recently ( Killie ), that there's a player in him, he was shite for us, and for me personally, that was due to our manager not utilising him correctly.

Having said that, he had 2 opportunities here, and given his performances whilst here, we certainly won't miss him and I am sure almost everyone will agree that they're glad he's not here ( Although allegedly McInnes pursued him up until a few days ago ) based on his time here. Will he cut at the Hun reprobates? Personally, I don't think he will.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 13, 2019, 06:19:10 PM
Stewart confirmed as signing for sevco. Bizarre signing for them, but at least hes not coming here.

Not the widely reported deal of weeks ago though
Only two year not three or four
Fuck him, no loss to us
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 13, 2019, 08:30:10 PM
And more importantly...no gain to sevco.

Just cannot see him being anything other than a bit part player. He would probably do fairly well coming off the bench with half an hour to go and sevco already 2 or 3 up but just cannot envisage him ever being a starter. And I reckon he will be punted out on loan if not in January then certainly this time next year.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 14, 2019, 08:09:53 AM
I bet the cunt still scores against us
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 14, 2019, 08:33:20 AM
From the BBC Gossip column:

Aberdeen have beaten Hibernian and Rangers to the signing of Queen's Park striker Michael Ruth, 17. (Sun)

Bournemouth's Scotland winger Ryan Fraser, 25, has hinted he will stay at the club for another year despite interest from Arsenal. (Mirror)

Hope someone pushes the boat out to get Fraser, If he was English he would have been a 50m player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 14, 2019, 08:48:22 AM
If true, hope  the boy Ruth follows the same path as Andy Robertson.

Pretty certain Fraser will leave this summer, it’s very early and all gossip for now. If a bigger fish than Bournemouth come along offering a much improved wage, plus possibly European football, he will surely move on. Once the transfer dominos start falling the offers will come in.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 14, 2019, 09:26:04 AM
If true, hope  the boy Ruth follows the same path as Andy Robertson.



Not wishing to be a doom merchant but remember what happened to the last forward we signed from them  ::)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 14, 2019, 10:00:41 AM
ffs Al beat me to it this guy is very raw hasnt played much so i wouldnt expect to see too much of him , shankland had a already scored a few at that level
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 14, 2019, 10:53:41 AM
Stewart confirmed as signing for sevco. Bizarre signing for them, but at least hes not coming here.

Stewart surely now deserves a mention on the "who's the luckiest footballer" thread.  He clearly never set the world alight in his 21 games for Birmingham and was garbage for most of his 45 games for us.  His good spell for Kilmarnock was only for 16 games yet he gets the chance to turn down the opportunity to stay at Pittodrie to earn more (I would guess) in Glasgow. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 14, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
Stewart surely now deserves a mention on the "who's the luckiest footballer" thread.  He clearly never set the world alight in his 21 games for Birmingham and was garbage for most of his 45 games for us.  His good spell for Kilmarnock was only for 16 games yet he gets the chance to turn down the opportunity to stay at Pittodrie to earn more (I would guess) in Glasgow.

Only reason I can come up with for sevco signing him is purely to deny us of his services. And for that we should be eternally grateful. He'll tan them for about £8k/week with absolutely zero return for the layout.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 17, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
gary bollans son luc signs , dna money well spent , punching
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 17, 2019, 06:08:44 PM
GMS off to Portsmouth. Dinnae let the door hit your erse on the way out

Fucking rediculous they way this has dragged out.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on June 17, 2019, 06:57:44 PM
Fucking Portsmouth, Jesus he’s better than that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 17, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
See ya GMS, good on his day, but too lightweight & his head is nae right :confused:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 17, 2019, 07:35:16 PM

 Enjoyed the occasional bits of magic,but an icing on the cake type player suited to an already confident team,ie not us.
     oh for a Johnny Hayes....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 17, 2019, 08:14:16 PM
Enjoyed the occasional bits of magic,but an icing on the cake type player suited to an already confident team,ie not us.
     oh for a Johnny Hayes....

No real surprise with GMS leaving, despite having some great skills we shouldn't be overly worried about losing him. It would appear he is moving closer to Stuart Armstrong once again with him plying his trade a short distance along the coast.

Seems a strange club to join though, I know they are a big enough club, but would say it is a backward move for him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 17, 2019, 09:17:26 PM
gary bollans son luc signs , dna money well spent , punching

 :rofl:

19yo signs on a pittance to plug a gap in the youth team and this is the response. Quality.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 18, 2019, 12:19:24 AM
Cannot see GMS being suited to play at that level. League 1 is a pretty physical league and cannot see him being able to cope with that. Portsmouth are a route one team as well. Can see him being up the road by Christmas.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 18, 2019, 08:11:47 AM
GMS can move on. No loss there, very inconsistent, I’m sure was one of our higher earners too. I’d rather we tried to develop McLennan and whichever Ross is the winger! I still think we are a winger short though, I think McGinn is past it and will spend as much time in the treatment room. Hedges on one wing, Signing on the other and the young boys pushing them. I say McGinn moves in centrally to the #10 position.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on June 18, 2019, 09:41:03 AM
Cannot see GMS being suited to play at that level. League 1 is a pretty physical league and cannot see him being able to cope with that. Portsmouth are a route one team as well. Can see him being up the road by Christmas.

This. He's going to get absolutely battered in League 1. I doubt he'll play more than a handful of games there.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 18, 2019, 10:27:54 AM
GMS can move on. No loss there, very inconsistent, I’m sure was one of our higher earners too. I’d rather we tried to develop McLennan and whichever Ross is the winger! I still think we are a winger short though, I think McGinn is past it and will spend as much time in the treatment room. Hedges on one wing, Signing on the other and the young boys pushing them. I say McGinn moves in centrally to the #10 position.

Ethan Ross looks like a player. I'm not convinced by McLennan or Frank Ross. I don't think either will make it anywhere near the level of GMS on his day. McLennan is a good squad player, but until he learns the art of not falling over the ball he'll get nowhere. I disagree about McGinn, he had a couple of games where he showed flashes of his previous self (that goal against Motherwell) and I think he still has the ability to do something that no other player in our squad can. He's young enough that fitness shouldn't be an issue and he's never really been lightening quick so his dropping of a shoulder will be enough to get him past a lot of defenders still.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 18, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
Cannot see GMS being suited to play at that level. League 1 is a pretty physical league and cannot see him being able to cope with that. Portsmouth are a route one team as well. Can see him being up the road by Christmas.

As long as it is not back up here :confused:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 19, 2019, 02:07:26 AM
I think he will rock up at Hibs once Portsmouth goes tits up
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 19, 2019, 04:29:19 PM
Welcome to Aberdeen FC, Craig Bryson  ;D

Very pleased with his addition.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Panda on June 19, 2019, 04:54:32 PM
Decent signing that. Solid first teamer. Maybe even a shock choice as captain?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 19, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Decent signing that. Solid first teamer. Maybe even a shock choice as captain?

Good shout.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 19, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
Used to be good. Assume he still is. Good work dons. Let's get Gleeson out the door now.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 19, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Reading positive comments about Bryson but don’t know much about him. Anyone care to provide some info? He’s 33 in November so I assume he’s past his prime, but Barry Robson did a job for us late on, as did Hartley pre injury, plus he’s a similar age to Mulumbu who has done a job at Killie. My initial response was so so, keen to hear a little more, plus on reading more the Derby fans speak very highly of him and many sad to see him go.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: EdmontonDandy on June 19, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Good quality signing.  Someone for Ferguson and Campbell to learn from.  Well done Dons. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 19, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
bryson thats more fucking like it
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 19, 2019, 05:33:26 PM
Seeing that he knocked back a contract from derby to join us,which sounds positive. Adds a bit of experience in midfield which i hope would help with bringing on a couple of our youngsters.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CtS on June 19, 2019, 05:45:16 PM
A signing that’s been met with positivity by almost everyone. DMCMG must go.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 19, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
 Thats more like it.Welcome aboard Craig  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 19, 2019, 06:00:38 PM
Thought Bryson would turn out to be one of those rumours that would end in disappointment.
Delighted to get him on board  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 19, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Miko Virtanen signs two year contract extension.

Don't know much about this lad.
Is he likely to feature on the bench this coming season ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 19, 2019, 06:25:07 PM
Miko Virtanen signs two year contract extension.

Don't know much about this lad.
Is he likely to feature on the bench this coming season ?

Has impressed every time I have seen him for reserves (or whatever we are calling them now) and made the bench a few times last season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 19, 2019, 08:21:26 PM
Excellent news on both fronts. Bryson is definitely more like the signing we were all hoping to see. It says pre-contract. When does he actually join us? Given our first qualifier is 3 weeks away, I'm hoping it's July?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 19, 2019, 08:41:58 PM
Excellent news on both fronts. Bryson is definitely more like the signing we were all hoping to see. It says pre-contract. When does he actually join us? Given our first qualifier is 3 weeks away, I'm hoping it's July?

I would imagine his deal ends June 30th, hence the pre contract. :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 19, 2019, 09:06:11 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 19, 2019, 11:19:28 PM
Used to be good. Assume he still is. Good work dons. Let's get Gleeson out the door now.

You're hopeful. Fwiw I cant see anyone wanting him except maybe back in Ireland but we would need to cover 75% of his wages for that to happen. He's not a bad player just slow and with stamina difficulties but when we are needing to sit on a slim lead with 30 minutes to go he's a decent bench option to shore up the midfield. For that alone I think we will keep him for the last year of his contract'


Bryson I think will stroll it up here....great signing and if there are fitness doubts about Devlin then I think he might even be made captain. Hibs and Hearts forums in a bit of a meltdown over too as an extra bonus  :laughing:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 20, 2019, 06:54:00 AM
Bryson should be a decent addition to the squad/team and may be in with a shout to be our captain, all being good he should help with the development of Ferguson also.  Regarding Gleeson I can see him staying as a back up since it looks as though Ball is not coming back. Not saying it is right to keep him, but I doubt anyone would want him and our squad is thin enough. There may even be a chance he improves with us next season, but I wouldn't put any money on it.

Hopefully see a couple more quality signings in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 20, 2019, 08:44:19 AM
You're hopeful. Fwiw I cant see anyone wanting him except maybe back in Ireland but we would need to cover 75% of his wages for that to happen. He's not a bad player just slow and with stamina difficulties but when we are needing to sit on a slim lead with 30 minutes to go he's a decent bench option to shore up the midfield. For that alone I think we will keep him for the last year of his contract'


Bryson I think will stroll it up here....great signing and if there are fitness doubts about Devlin then I think he might even be made captain. Hibs and Hearts forums in a bit of a meltdown over too as an extra bonus  :laughing:

" Bryson will be decent, but really only like for like for Shinnie. Looks like a downgrade actually if you think that Derby have taken Shinnie and sheep have Bryson in return. Clearly Derby think Shinnie is better. "

Probably my favourite comment. I always enjoy a good laugh at the expense of rival supporters, as I am sure they do to, no doubt, but that there, is grade A fuckwittery. Sad that only a handful of fans from both sites, and actually TC, have a look at Killie's as well, they are seething, are able to be objective. This is a very good signing for us, he started 20+ games last season and they offered him a new contract, each and every supporter from Hibs, Hearts & Killie would have been over the moon with Bryson's addition.  Fuck them.

Anyway, still expecting at least another one in before the Europa League games start, hoping it's a Left Back.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 20, 2019, 09:18:27 AM
Djoum joining before Ireland trip  ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on June 20, 2019, 09:32:00 AM
Djoum joining before Ireland trip  ;)

Pleased with Bryson. If the above is true also, probably only leaves us a goal-scorer and a left back short going into the euro qualifiers.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 20, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
Pleased with Bryson. If the above is true also, probably only leaves us a goal-scorer and a left back short going into the euro qualifiers.

Can't disagree with that, but I guess it is a big IF.

Certainly hearing that the next one is a midfielder also
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 20, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
Pleased with Bryson. If the above is true also, probably only leaves us a goal-scorer and a left back short going into the euro qualifiers.

We definitely need another midfielder. I'd be happy for us to have Considine at left back for the first two rounds of qualifying if there's a chance of getting Lowe back. I think it's a very important position for us and we should take the time to get it right. Considine is fine there as cover for now, but the last thing we need is a player no better than Considine filling that role because we get the first available player. Lowe would be fantastic if we could get him for another year or even as a permanent signing (which I doubt). We saw in the games against the Tims at christmas time and other games when Lowe was missing what a very good left back can bring over and above an average one. There's no point in getting in an average one basically.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 20, 2019, 12:49:50 PM
Can forget about Safranko (if indeed we were ever interested in him)
His Danish club are asking for £800k for him

David Dungana has signed a new one year contract
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on June 20, 2019, 12:51:59 PM
Any Clark Robertson rumours on the go? Just saw him coming out of Marischal College with a very pregnant woman who I assume is his spouse. He's a local loon isn't he? So he could just be visiting. Hun.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 20, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
Any Clark Robertson rumours on the go?

There is now, thanks to you  :laughing:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Stewart on June 20, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
Any Clark Robertson rumours on the go? Just saw him coming out of Marischal College with a very pregnant woman who I assume is his spouse. He's a local loon isn't he? So he could just be visiting. Hun.

Hopefully just going the Oor Wullie Bucket Trail.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 20, 2019, 01:42:47 PM
Any Clark Robertson rumours on the go? Just saw him coming out of Marischal College with a very pregnant woman who I assume is his spouse. He's a local loon isn't he? So he could just be visiting. Hun.

According to soccerbase he is still contracted to Rotherham for another 2 years. Did not realise he is still only 25.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CvB on June 20, 2019, 02:49:59 PM
According to soccerbase he is still contracted to Rotherham for another 2 years. Did not realise he is still only 25.

25? Fuck me, according to Wiki it was back in 2009 that he made his debut for us.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on June 20, 2019, 03:11:33 PM
Hopefully just going the Oor Wullie Bucket Trail.


I feared he was in updating his contact details so the cooncil knew where to send his cooncil tax bills following his triumphant return to his hometown club.  :hammer:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 20, 2019, 03:56:33 PM
Still hopeful of adding 2 more before the Europe Registration Deadline. GMS may still sign but he's definitely speaking to a few other clubs, although the New York offer is dead. Only mentions that Left Back is the main position trying to fill now, but wants to add more throughout the squad. I missed the bastard, getting the buzz now for the season starting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd01gY50NkE
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on June 20, 2019, 04:52:39 PM
GMS may still sign but he's definitely speaking to a few other clubs, although the New York offer is dead.

Was it on here or on twitter over the weekend that he'd offered to sign a one year extension and had been told to jog on. So would imagine the offer he's had from the other club is not more than we have offered and is holding on in case another comes in for him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 20, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
I know some on here are ambivalent on gms but I really hope he stays.  I don't blame the guy for assessing his options 2bh, at 28 this is his last chance at a decent move. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 20, 2019, 05:14:41 PM
I know some on here are ambivalent on gms but I really hope he stays.  I don't blame the guy for assessing his options 2bh, at 28 this is his last chance at a decent move.

Exactly. It might be quite good for the dons PR to have the first player to come out whilst playing in the SPL too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: donsdaft on June 20, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
Come out of what?
The river?

Little pansy can fuck right off
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 21, 2019, 10:30:22 AM
Come out of what?
The river?

Little pansy can fuck right off

Is correct DD.
Allegedly the move to NYC is back on.

Bye  :wave:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 21, 2019, 01:17:55 PM
Still hopeful of adding 2 more before the Europe Registration Deadline. GMS may still sign but he's definitely speaking to a few other clubs, although the New York offer is dead. Only mentions that Left Back is the main position trying to fill now, but wants to add more throughout the squad. I missed the bastard, getting the buzz now for the season starting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd01gY50NkE

GMS having a New York medical today according to sky.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CtS on June 21, 2019, 04:37:17 PM
GMS having a New York medical today according to sky.

Start spreading the news, he’s leaving today.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Madbadteacher on June 21, 2019, 06:22:25 PM
He want's to be a part of it?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 21, 2019, 07:34:19 PM
He want's to be a part of it?

New York, New York
These vagabond boots shoes are longing to stay
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 21, 2019, 08:14:17 PM
Come out of what?
The river?

Little pansy can fuck right off


Yep, quite pissed off with the whole episode now, lucky we welcomed him back after the river carry on. Tell him to gtf :mad:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 21, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
Its just frustrating how long its dragged on. I understand keeping your options open, but he must have seen whats on the table for a while now. It seems like he has been looking for a way out as if he really intended to stay he would have signed by now.

He is a talented player but he has been hot and cold during his time with us. I have a feeling we are better with him but I doubt he will move on to anything better as I think we have been good for him. I could see him fading into obscurity on a bench in England. If he goes to the states he will probably do ok and I cant begrudge him wanting to try something different.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 21, 2019, 10:11:08 PM
I would still be delighted if he stayed.  Don't get me wrong I can understand the concerns mentioned but I just think he's a really good player and we would be a better side with him in it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 22, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
In talks with James Wilson allegedly.

Not seeing any directly attributable quotes so could very possibly be lazy journalism.

Bit "meh" about this one to be honest.
Looked good in post split fixtures but why did it take him so long to show that.

Maybe if the penny has dropped that he is going to have to work hard to relaunch his career then it might just work for both parties porvided we aren't going to break the wage structure on him
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 22, 2019, 11:51:12 AM
With the caveat of my not knowing what other strikers might be available, I’d be reasonably happy to have Wilson back. He’s a very different player to Main, Cosgrove and May, much more pacy and probably more likely to pull a rabbit out the hat than any of them.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Bruce Anderson this year if/when we do sign another striker.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 22, 2019, 12:01:19 PM
5 strikers only one of which actually scores goals.. have to assume may is away
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 22, 2019, 12:09:02 PM
5 strikers only one of which actually scores goals.. have to assume may is away

Chat about him going back to saints.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 22, 2019, 05:52:39 PM
I’d certainly rather have Wilson over May, but then again, most people over May. I’d like Bruce Anderson to get May’s playing time this season, time to develop him. I’d have Main and Wilson as a front two, although I think DM sees Wilson more as a wide right player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 22, 2019, 07:57:49 PM
We'd have to instantly make Wilson our highest paid player to get him onboard and I just don't think he's worth the outlay. It was patently obvious for the past 2 years that he was finished at Man U yet not one lower EPL club thought he was worth taking a punt on and when he has went on loan to the Championship, like up here he was totally underwhelming.

I still believe there will be a (very) low end Championship club or top end EFL1 club willing to make him their marquee summer signing and paying him £10-12k/week which would certainly take us out the equation. However I think he is a classic "too much too soon" case and now being a multi millionaire hasn't really got the drive to really push himself to get to the top level in football.


Outside bet? Salford City make him an offer he can't refuse as their mega marquee signing.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 22, 2019, 08:27:06 PM
Should not be signing Wilson on the back of a couple of decent games at the end of the season. Did not do anywhere near enough to earn a permanent deal for me. Far to many games where he was totally anonymous.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 22, 2019, 08:51:32 PM
Some dude called John Gallagher has signed on loan from Atlanta utd
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 22, 2019, 09:00:37 PM
I would still be delighted if he stayed.  Don't get me wrong I can understand the concerns mentioned but I just think he's a really good player and we would be a better side with him in it.

He is, but no man is bigger than the club, would you want him here if we are his last resort ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 22, 2019, 09:02:34 PM
russ richardson with thr d/m/f/l filter on fm , a quintessential mcinnes utility signing, hopefully not pish everywhere
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 22, 2019, 09:11:01 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is the rest of the MLS season ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 22, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
march to october ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 22, 2019, 09:46:03 PM
Interesting to note that Jon Gallagher is listed on one site as a forward, and a right back on another. Right back would be my thought.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 22, 2019, 09:58:47 PM
march to october ?

Hardly worth it if it is only until October
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 22, 2019, 10:19:48 PM
Hardly worth it if it is only until October

Starts again in March so maybe the loan will be until January window.

From clips on line this lad looks more right winger than right back.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 23, 2019, 12:54:17 AM
Weve knocked back a 5m offer for mckenna from the dhimmery.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 23, 2019, 08:20:20 AM
Weve knocked back a 5m offer for mckenna from the dhimmery.

We should only be selling McKenna to Victim FC if they are making an offer that pays for Kingsford. For the player himself he should be looking for move to England or Europe as the next stage of his development and not another Scottish club.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 23, 2019, 09:03:19 AM
Rhecord saying the rumoured McKenna bid isn't true.

As for Gallacher……..seems he is indeed a right back though has played further forward earlier in his career, England U18 caps too. Still a strange one. You'd think Virtanen would be adequate back up to Logan at this point and signing this guy will only hinder Virtanen' s progress although I guess we might send him out on loan in turn. Still no fackin left back though!!!!!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 23, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
Rhecord saying the rumoured McKenna bid isn't true.

As for Gallacher……..seems he is indeed a right back though has played further forward earlier in his career, England U18 caps too. Still a strange one. You'd think Virtanen would be adequate back up to Logan at this point and signing this guy will only hinder Virtanen' s progress although I guess we might send him out on loan in turn. Still no fackin left back though!!!!!

According to Atlanta’s website he is a forward who has played games in midfield and at right back.

https://www.atlutd.com/players/72/jon-gallagher
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 23, 2019, 08:03:28 PM
i fear this guy will be a fucking shiter 23 , must be a late developer ..
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 24, 2019, 08:49:12 AM
I’d certainly rather have Wilson over May, but then again, most people over May. I’d like Bruce Anderson to get May’s playing time this season, time to develop him. I’d have Main and Wilson as a front two, although I think DM sees Wilson more as a wide right player.

You're surely taking the piss LA?  Are you missing being involved in those end of season relegation battles?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 24, 2019, 09:36:49 AM
Celtic apparently lining up a deal for Max Lowe to replace Tierney. Would be gutted, but its another reason these loan deals just dont work out for us. Anyone who does well ends up getting a better deal elsewhere.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 24, 2019, 09:44:49 AM
Celtic apparently lining up a deal for Max Lowe to replace Tierney. Would be gutted, but its another reason these loan deals just dont work out for us. Anyone who does well ends up getting a better deal elsewhere.

Paper talk Dan, wouldn't lose too much sleep over this.
Reckon the only way he would end up there is as a permanent signing.
In my opinion Derby won't be bothered about the fact that they would probably pay a higher percentage of his wage. I reckon for them the priority is to get Lowe guaranteed first team football and I don't reckon thats something that Victim FC will guarantee him as reckon they will sign a.n.other as first choice and Lowe would be back up.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 24, 2019, 10:00:23 AM
Logan will have telt Lowe that the Tims are a bunch of scummy racist fucks and he'll take a huge paycut to join his beloved dandies.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 24, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
Paper talk Dan, wouldn't lose too much sleep over this.
Reckon the only way he would end up there is as a permanent signing.
In my opinion Derby won't be bothered about the fact that they would probably pay a higher percentage of his wage. I reckon for them the priority is to get Lowe guaranteed first team football and I don't reckon thats something that Victim FC will guarantee him as reckon they will sign a.n.other as first choice and Lowe would be back up.

I think the sevco rumour about Lowe was just paper talk but if Tierney does leave Celtic will be in need of a replacement. I'm not sure what Derby would value Lowe at now but if Celtic offered £3million with a future sell on fee I doubt they'd turn it down.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 24, 2019, 12:40:02 PM
According to BBC Scotland rumour page, The Victims are currently looking at three left backs as a replacement for Teirney. I'm not convinced (only my opinion) that Lowe is necessarily their number one target.
The others are Boli Mbombo & Milad Mohammadi
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 24, 2019, 12:42:49 PM
You're surely taking the piss LA?  Are you missing being involved in those end of season relegation battles?

I’d take Wilson over May if the money is right, you wouldn’t? Plus based on what I’ve seen of Main I think he’s better than Cosgrove. However, in my ideal I’d take none of them!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 24, 2019, 02:08:00 PM
I’d take Wilson over May if the money is right, you wouldn’t? Plus based on what I’ve seen of Main I think he’s better than Cosgrove. However, in my ideal I’d take none of them!

They might as well just cut their losses with May and give him a free if anyone is willing to take him.  Signing Wilson based on last season is pure madness, cannot imagine why you would put him ahead of Cosgrove in the queue given Cosgrove's goals last season.  Must admit I have not seen much of Main at all, fingers crossed on that one.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 24, 2019, 04:40:06 PM
I understand that St Johnstone want May back, according to their fans anyway, but we paid close to 500k for him, did we not? Yes, he's absolutely mince and been a complete failure, but I'd be pretty pissed off if we released him for nothing, at least try and claw some sort of fee back, maybe between 150k-250k.

Or, let him go out on loan, hopefully he gets played as an out and out Striker, and gets some sort of confidence back.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Stewart on June 24, 2019, 04:45:16 PM
GMS finally signed for NYC.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 24, 2019, 04:58:03 PM
They might as well just cut their losses with May and give him a free if anyone is willing to take him.  Signing Wilson based on last season is pure madness, cannot imagine why you would put him ahead of Cosgrove in the queue given Cosgrove's goals last season.  Must admit I have not seen much of Main at all, fingers crossed on that one.
Why would May agree to that? He's got a contract worth £4k/week for another 2 years and nobody in the bottom half of the league could get anywhere near to matching it. We would have to either give him a pay-off lump sum, probably at least 75% of what the remainder of his contract was worth or cover whatever fraction of his wages that any new team taking him on were unable to pay to top him up that £4k/week.

I think the best solution is a 6 month loan. If he does well he can come back for a fresh start or the loaning club may extend the agreement if we really don't want him. If he does just as badly as here.... well we have saved a few quid (not a lot tbh) and he returns probably to see out his contract which we will have budgeted for anyway
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 24, 2019, 05:07:12 PM
GMS finally signed for NYC.

Cheerio Gary  :wave:

Can't wait to log on to Twitter and see the #OnceADonAlwaysADon cringe worthy as fuck tweets.  :D
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on June 24, 2019, 06:40:16 PM
Would anybody take Kenny Miller after his release from Dundee??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 24, 2019, 07:01:09 PM
no one will pay any money for may a signing that has probably cost close to 750k all in so far , fucking horrendous as bad as tommy wright
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 24, 2019, 07:33:42 PM
Would anybody take Kenny Miller after his release from Dundee??

C'mon SeeBass, stop trying to wind us up

This is a joke isn't it  ???
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 24, 2019, 07:37:24 PM
no one will pay any money for may a signing that has probably cost close to 750k all in so far , fucking horrendous as bad as tommy wright

In cold monetary terms this has the potential to completely eclipse Tommy Wright fiasco.
I have two abiding memories of him, one conceding a penalty against The Arabs, the other one of the best headed goals I've ever seen against St Mirren
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 24, 2019, 07:46:54 PM
There were rumours of us being interested in Miller last summer. For someone of 40 he is undoubtedly in fantastic shape and looked half decent in a totally crappy Dundee side last season but sorry Seabass...…….it's just a no thank you. I'd imagine Miller is more interested in another crack at management following his 6 week stint at Livi.

St Mirren job looks like it's probably available.....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 24, 2019, 07:51:22 PM
There were rumours of us being interested in Miller last summer. For someone of 40 he is undoubtedly in fantastic shape and looked half decent in a totally crappy Dundee side last season but sorry Seabass...…….it's just a no thank you. I'd imagine Miller is more interested in another crack at management following his 6 week stint at Livi.

St Mirren job looks like it's probably available.....

Just logged back on to post about The Helen job.
Reckon it's a close run thing between Goodwin and Miller
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 24, 2019, 08:19:04 PM
Just logged back on to post about The Helen job.
Reckon it's a close run thing between Goodwin and Miller

Everything points to Goodwin being lined up to replace Kearney but according to St Mirren fans Goodwin and Fitzpatrick do not get on which might open the door for Miller.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on June 25, 2019, 12:19:32 AM
Not seen any real links but Paul Coutts is a local boy who has said he'd want to return to Aberdeen one day. Worth a look? I think he's a central midfielder? Add him and it doesn't mean running Ferguson into the ground for a second season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 06:34:56 AM
Not seen any real links but Paul Coutts is a local boy who has said he'd want to return to Aberdeen one day. Worth a look? I think he's a central midfielder? Add him and it doesn't mean running Ferguson into the ground for a second season.

Widely quoted as preferring to remain in English football just now.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 25, 2019, 08:41:17 AM
Why would May agree to that? He's got a contract worth £4k/week for another 2 years and nobody in the bottom half of the league could get anywhere near to matching it. We would have to either give him a pay-off lump sum, probably at least 75% of what the remainder of his contract was worth or cover whatever fraction of his wages that any new team taking him on were unable to pay to top him up that £4k/week.

I think the best solution is a 6 month loan. If he does well he can come back for a fresh start or the loaning club may extend the agreement if we really don't want him. If he does just as badly as here.... well we have saved a few quid (not a lot tbh) and he returns probably to see out his contract which we will have budgeted for anyway

Yes, exactly what I meant Ten Caat, we just need to get rid.  He has had two seasons to show what he can do and played a LOT of games not just bit parts.  Don't see what good a loan would be, pay him what he is due and get shot of him.  Far better to give young Anderson a proper chance than to piss about with May, put him out on loan and take him back and try again.  He has had more than enough time invested in him already.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 25, 2019, 10:24:03 AM
Yes, exactly what I meant Ten Caat, we just need to get rid.  He has had two seasons to show what he can do and played a LOT of games not just bit parts.  Don't see what good a loan would be, pay him what he is due and get shot of him.  Far better to give young Anderson a proper chance than to piss about with May, put him out on loan and take him back and try again.  He has had more than enough time invested in him already.

Agreed. If you loan him to Saints, then they'll only be paying him a portion of his salary anyway. If we pay him off, we'd (roughly) have to pay the difference between what Saints will pay him and what we would be paying him for the next two years. Either way, the cost to get rid is still the same in January when it comes to the next decision point unless he performs well enough to get someone to pay a fee for him to cover the remainder of his contract. 

Get rid now
Remaining salary____£100K (arbitrary figure for illustration)
less Saints salary____ £50K
Total cost of pay off___£50K

Wait until Jan
Remaining salary____________£75K
less Saints salary____________£37.5K
add salary subsidy until Jan____£12.5K
Total cost of pay off__________£50K

If we're convinced that all he needs is a loan move to get his confidence up and he'll return as a goalscoring legend then go for it. Otherwise, take the hit now and look forward with a new striker. The alternative is to retain him in the squad and have another year of him coming off the bench or starting with zero impact on games.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 25, 2019, 12:42:37 PM
hoban offered rehab with us
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 25, 2019, 01:22:40 PM
hoban offered rehab with us

Shrewd move like. He's a very good player. The rehab costs nothing, but it certainly gains a lot if we get a player like Hoban at the end of it. As an aside, I'd like to think we'd do that for any player that was injured whilst playing for us but whose contract has expired. It's just the decent thing to do. Although, his parent should be first to offer.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 25, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
Young keeper Archie Mair has left us to sign for norwich.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 25, 2019, 02:52:36 PM
Young keeper Archie Mair has left us to sign for norwich.

Fucking little shite decided he's too good for the dons already has he? Think's he's fuckin Airchie.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 25, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
I presume we will have received some sort of compensation at least for him? Id never even heard of him so I dont know if I should be upset or not.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 03:50:11 PM
Mair's replacement signed

Samuel  (Sam) Jackson from Dundee
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on June 25, 2019, 04:59:56 PM
Mair's replacement signed

Samuel  (Sam) Jackson from Dundee

hold on to ya butts  ;)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on June 25, 2019, 05:40:24 PM
Mair's replacement signed

Samuel  (Sam) Jackson from Dundee

Mother fucker, that was quick.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 25, 2019, 06:07:49 PM
I see Hibs have signed Cristian Doidge who we were apparently interested in last summer. Hopefully he turns out to be rubbish.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 06:16:40 PM
Player incoming
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 06:17:49 PM
Greg Leigh on loan with possible permanent at end of season.

Left Back
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on June 25, 2019, 06:19:07 PM
Are you talking about Greig Leigh,left back(EDIT - yes you are). On loan til the end of the season,and possible permanent move.Got a reasonable background  https://www.afc.co.uk/news/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 06:24:48 PM
Are you talking about Greig Leigh,left back(EDIT - yes you are). On loan til the end of the season,and possible permanent move.Got a reasonable background  https://www.afc.co.uk/news/

Nope Greg Leigh, but yes from NAC Breda
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
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Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 25, 2019, 06:37:49 PM
Was a key position that needed filled, he looks absolutely delighted to be here as well. Erevidisie ( sp ) isn't an easy league, he managed 13 appearances there last season and the NAC Breda fans on their Twitter feed are not happy that he's been allowed to leave.

Welcome aboard Greg, squad starting to take shape, apparently Gleeson isn't with the squad either, so looks like he'll be released, unless there are mitigating circumstances.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 25, 2019, 07:03:43 PM
Would imagine the signing of Leigh means Max wont be back  :frown: Oh well, lets hope this lad does well.
  Also i see Hoban been offered our medical expertise, would love to see a fully fit Hoban play for us, we sell a young keeper & immediately bring one in. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 25, 2019, 07:41:51 PM
a left field signing interesting  one seems passionate , positive
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 25, 2019, 08:10:31 PM
Gutted it's likely Lowe will end up at one of the in firm then, but wow, a signing from abroad  :o

Welcome aboard Greg, hope it works out for both parties  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on June 25, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
Yeah,unfortunately i think Lowe might end up at huns  :( 
Good to see us making signings fine & early though.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on June 25, 2019, 08:17:34 PM
a left field signing interesting  one seems passionate , positive

We might just have pulled a rabbit out of the hat here.
Brada fans seem none too happy about him leaving which is always a good sign.

Apparently we were very close to getting him in back in January
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 25, 2019, 08:37:50 PM
Never keen on signing defenders from teams that get relegated and this lad has played for two teams that have been relegated in last two seasons.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 25, 2019, 09:06:56 PM
Never keen on signing defenders from teams that get relegated and this lad has played for two teams that have been relegated in last two seasons.

Nonsense. Callum Morris was signed from a relegated team, and he was a revelation.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on June 25, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
Nonsense. Callum Morris was signed from a relegated team, and he was a revelation.

Stuff of legend, that signing
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 26, 2019, 12:12:53 AM
Yeah,unfortunately i think Lowe might end up at huns  :( 
Good to see us making signings fine & early though.

I don't...…….they have a top heavy squad already and now need to ship players out. If he comes north of the border, it'll be to the dhims
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 26, 2019, 08:37:36 AM
Was a key position that needed filled, he looks absolutely delighted to be here as well. Erevidisie ( sp ) isn't an easy league, he managed 13 appearances there last season and the NAC Breda fans on their Twitter feed are not happy that he's been allowed to leave.

Welcome aboard Greg, squad starting to take shape, apparently Gleeson isn't with the squad either, so looks like he'll be released, unless there are mitigating circumstances.

Turns out there is indeed mitigating circumstances, Gleeson has a knee injury, so is doing light training, he is with the squad in Ireland after all.

Coming back to Greg Leigh, he looks like a bit of a machine, very athletic and very quick. I actually think he might turn out to be a very shrewd addition, who will quickly become a fans favourite.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 26, 2019, 09:28:50 AM
Turns out there is indeed mitigating circumstances, Gleeson has a knee injury, so is doing light training, he is with the squad in Ireland after all.

I think that you really need to be looking into these things in a lot more detail before getting people's hopes up.

Quote
Coming back to Greg Leigh, he looks like a bit of a machine, very athletic and very quick. I actually think he might turn out to be a very shrewd addition, who will quickly become a fans favourite.

He looks like the type of player that we might - like Lowe - regret not getting in permanently. Although I suppose that is the market we are in.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 26, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
I think that you really need to be looking into these things in a lot more detail before getting people's hopes up.

He looks like the type of player that we might - like Lowe - regret not getting in permanently. Although I suppose that is the market we are in.

Don't we have an option to take Leigh permanently? That was never a realistic scenario, never mind defined option, with Lowe.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on June 26, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
Don't we have an option to take Leigh permanently? That was never a realistic scenario, never mind defined option, with Lowe.

How does that work in reality though? Does it not just mean that we have a pre-defined price with his parent club? If he turns out to be ace and the huns offer his parent club the same as us but offer him double the wages he's still obliged to join us? Or is it that both player and parent club have agreed a transfer fee and salary that they will accept if we trigger an option clause? In other words, he's effectively contracted to the dons beyond the end of the season unless we think he's pap?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 26, 2019, 12:05:47 PM
How does that work in reality though? Does it not just mean that we have a pre-defined price with his parent club? If he turns out to be ace and the huns offer his parent club the same as us but offer him double the wages he's still obliged to join us? Or is it that both player and parent club have agreed a transfer fee and salary that they will accept if we trigger an option clause? In other words, he's effectively contracted to the dons beyond the end of the season unless we think he's pap?

I would imagine it's an agreed fee between the clubs, which at least indicates he's going to be affordable. That was never going to be the case with Lowe. IMO that means there's a much better prospect of turning a good loan into something permanent in this case.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 26, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
I think that you really need to be looking into these things in a lot more detail before getting people's hopes up.

He looks like the type of player that we might - like Lowe - regret not getting in permanently. Although I suppose that is the market we are in.

 :rofl: I apologise wholeheartedly. I'm still holding out for him becoming a key member of our 11!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 26, 2019, 02:13:59 PM
I would imagine it's an agreed fee between the clubs, which at least indicates he's going to be affordable. That was never going to be the case with Lowe. IMO that means there's a much better prospect of turning a good loan into something permanent in this case.

That's how I took it. Gives us the option to bin next summer if he turns out to be pants. Conversely, we risk losing him to another side willing to pay more to Breda and/or the player if he shines. On balance probably the correct decision though
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CvB on June 26, 2019, 03:17:47 PM
Mark O'Hara rumor.
Going on the assumption that the ugly sisters would have far more money to spunk on players than O'Hara, then that only leaves us or Killie, or at least so this article goes on to surmise.

"Peterborough United owner Darragh MacAnthony has confirmed that a ‘top 4’ SPFL side are interested in United midfielder Mark O’Hara.

The Scotsman moved to the Posh last year after a fruitful spell with Dundee. It hasn’t quite worked for him though, with the Weston Homes Stadium side farming him out to Lincoln City on loan for a spell.


O’Hara is wanted by a top four SPFL club according to the Posh chairman.

Now owner MacAnthony has confirmed Scottish interest in him. Responding to a fan on Twitter, he said: “Lincoln want him but need to raise funds to do deal & SPFL club also now in for him… top 4 club”"
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on June 27, 2019, 09:08:24 AM
Mark O'Hara rumor.
Going on the assumption that the ugly sisters would have far more money to spunk on players than O'Hara, then that only leaves us or Killie, or at least so this article goes on to surmise.

"Peterborough United owner Darragh MacAnthony has confirmed that a ‘top 4’ SPFL side are interested in United midfielder Mark O’Hara.

The Scotsman moved to the Posh last year after a fruitful spell with Dundee. It hasn’t quite worked for him though, with the Weston Homes Stadium side farming him out to Lincoln City on loan for a spell.


O’Hara is wanted by a top four SPFL club according to the Posh chairman.

Now owner MacAnthony has confirmed Scottish interest in him. Responding to a fan on Twitter, he said: “Lincoln want him but need to raise funds to do deal & SPFL club also now in for him… top 4 club”"


The Daily Express says it's Killie who are in for O'Hara. Pity, I think he could be useful.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 27, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
Says they want 1 million for him. So it doesnt really matter if its Killie or us. He wont be going anywhere for that money.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 27, 2019, 09:37:01 AM
Says they want 1 million for him. So it doesnt really matter if its Killie or us. He wont be going anywhere for that money.

Is it not 100k? Or is this a woosh moment.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on June 27, 2019, 10:48:47 AM
Well i checked the BBC gossip column and im sure it said 1 million before. It does say 100k now so either ive misread it or there was a typo in there earlier.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 27, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
He's unhappy at Peterborough and they'll be desperate to punt. I'd be amazed if Killie pay more than £25-50k in the end
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 28, 2019, 07:40:07 AM
mcgeoch on the radar
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 28, 2019, 07:48:09 AM
mcgeoch on the radar

Did he not just extend his deal at Sunderland?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 28, 2019, 08:15:12 AM
seemingly need to cut wage bill
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 28, 2019, 09:05:28 AM
They also need promoted this coming season or else disaster awaits. There's no way we, or any other Scottish club that might be interested, would be paying the £8k/week he's currently getting
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on June 28, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
possibly how much is bryson on ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 28, 2019, 10:48:09 AM
I saw an article when McGeouch signed the new deal at Sunderland, saying that the likelihood is that he will still leave, despite the new contract.

He has openly said that he's frustrated, thinks he could have made an impact and is assessing his options.

Heading into next season with Bryson, McGeouch, Ferguson, Campbell & Gleeson (  :eek: ) as our central midfielders isn't a worrying thought to be fair, hope it happens.

McGeouch, 26, said: “I have a big decision to make. It’s disappointing I haven’t played as much as I’d have liked.

“I’m fit and feel good and I felt I could bring something to the team on Sunday.

“I expressed that to the manager, but he can only pick 18 players.

“I’ll see where my future is at and take it from there. It’s been a stop-start campaign, but I’ve been available for the majority of games. I’ve only played a handful.

“I’ve had wee niggles, but I’ve just not had a lot of game time.

“I’m going to go away over the summer and reassess things and see where we are.”

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on June 28, 2019, 06:55:17 PM
I saw an article when McGeouch signed the new deal at Sunderland, saying that the likelihood is that he will still leave, despite the new contract.

He has openly said that he's frustrated, thinks he could have made an impact and is assessing his options.

Heading into next season with Bryson, McGeouch, Ferguson, Campbell & Gleeson (  :eek: ) as our central midfielders isn't a worrying thought to be fair, hope it happens.

McGeouch, 26, said: “I have a big decision to make. It’s disappointing I haven’t played as much as I’d have liked.

“I’m fit and feel good and I felt I could bring something to the team on Sunday.

“I expressed that to the manager, but he can only pick 18 players.

“I’ll see where my future is at and take it from there. It’s been a stop-start campaign, but I’ve been available for the majority of games. I’ve only played a handful.

“I’ve had wee niggles, but I’ve just not had a lot of game time.

“I’m going to go away over the summer and reassess things and see where we are.”


I thought that was at the end of May that he gave that interview. He made the decision to extend to extend after that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on June 28, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
 I thought it was a 2-way option to extend by a year and it was Sunderland who exercised the option. Apparently they are after a fee now anyway
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on June 29, 2019, 08:12:01 AM
I was never that impressed with him when he was at Hibs. I’d be happy not to spend a transfer fee + large wages on him. A bit out of the Willo Flood school of being a nuisance but not actually that effective with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 29, 2019, 09:51:30 AM
Sun saying we have offered James Wilson a contract. Some on Social Media saying he will indeed sign and will be announced next week. Sunderland & Preston apparently in for him also.

If he replicates what he showed in the last few games of the season, I'd be happy enough, but for me personally, his overall attitude wasn't really positive and he looked disinterested the majority of the time.   
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on June 30, 2019, 10:49:01 AM
Celtic have released Mulumbu. I think he'd be a good addition if we could convince him to come here. Still has a good engine as he showed last season there and is very competent technically. He may choose to go back down South though and see out his career there, maybe even abroad.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 01, 2019, 09:53:35 AM
Cavey on the Hat has gone all in with a very specific (ITK??) one

McGeouch to sign on Wednesday...…£150k on a 4 year deal. Supposedly info via Hibs ITKers. I'll believe it when I see him holding the scarf aloft. Would rather we went for Mulumbu for a couple of years tbh
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 01, 2019, 10:06:24 AM
Cavey on the Hat has gone all in with a very specific (ITK??) one

McGeouch to sign on Wednesday...…£150k on a 4 year deal. Supposedly info via Hibs ITKers. I'll believe it when I see him holding the scarf aloft. Would rather we went for Mulumbu for a couple of years tbh

I would be happy with either one to be honest, McGeouch is a tidy, neat and simple player, Mulumbu is an aggressive and physical, but has the technical capability as well. They would both bring something to the 11.

I assume the Djoum rumours are not coming to fruition, although he is away at the African Cup Of Nations I think? So don't see anything happening there until he's back I'd assume?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on July 01, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
I would think if we sign any of Mulumbu, Mcgeogh or Djoum that would be us in midfield. Any of those 3 would require big bucks and we have still got Gleeson on the books. Unless we get into the group stage of the Europa League I wouldnt be surprised to see Dean Campbell go out on loan this season. It would probably be best for him to get a regular game somewhere.

On another note I read thay Ryan Gauld has been told he can leave Sporting if he finds a club. He may well become the new Alan Gow and I know hes not really fulfilled his early potential but he would surely be worth a punt on a free transfer.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on July 01, 2019, 03:36:04 PM
Its a no from me on both Gauld and Mulumbu
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 01, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
Absolutely no to Gauld. He's had numerous loans at lower level clubs and done the square root of f@ck all at the lot of them.

Presuming Sporting will have paid up the balance of his contract so, in the absence of offers from big (ish) clubs he shouldn't be too hard to deal with. Needs to go to a club like St J to get a regular game and attempt to re-establish his early reputation. Even a return to the caravan dwellers wouldn't be a bad option.

But no way will we be interested at this point in time
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 01, 2019, 08:27:05 PM
Probably need to drop further than that TC. Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole at the moment, shame it never worked out for him in Portugal. Is he mentally weak?

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 01, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
On the radio earlier that we are trying to sign Marc McNulty now, apparently we tried to sign him when he was at Coventry, can't say I remember hearing about it. But he's been released from Reading and we have approached him, according to whoever it was talking on the radio. I would imagine Hibs will be back in for him too, see how this pans out if there's genuinely anything in it.

If, and obviously a big if, we do actually sign him, surely then another Striker would be moved on ( May surely )
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on July 02, 2019, 06:32:20 PM
Dom Ball signs for QPR.

Decent move for him
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on July 02, 2019, 07:07:39 PM
Dom Ball signs for QPR.

Decent move for him

Can understand him knocking us back for that. Surprised he got such a big move, though warburton might have a thing for signing ex players as he’s got Wallace and Kelly this summer too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 02, 2019, 07:24:27 PM
Ball has landed on his feet there. He was by no means as bad as some of our fans made out and would have been a solid addition had he joined us permanently. There had been talk of him joining Ipswich and I thought we might have been a better option than them but QPR....well he was never going to turn that down.

Wonder if he will resurface on yet another loan after Warburton gets his jotters?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 02, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
Wonder if he will resurface on yet another loan after Warburton gets his jotters?

Warburton seems to be very highly rated down in England  :confused:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 03, 2019, 12:44:46 AM
According to Robert Grieve, James Wilson will be announced on a 2-year contract tomorrow ( After midnight now, so technically today )

Apparently it was between us and Sunderland, who apparently offered him a bumper deal, so I respect his decision if this turns out to be true, a very rare thing that, choosing Football over Money.

 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 03, 2019, 12:48:14 AM
According to Robert Grieve, James Wilson will be announced on a 2-year contract tomorrow ( After midnight now, so technically today )

Apparently it was between us and Sunderland, who apparently offered him a bumper deal, so I respect his decision if this turns out to be true, a very rare thing that, choosing Football over Money.

Fair play to him if that is true.  I hope it's the guy we saw in the last few games rather than for the majority of the season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on July 03, 2019, 08:16:50 AM
I will be wuite pleased if Wilson joins permanently.

If he continues in the same form that he ended last season in, then we have a very decent player on our hands.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 03, 2019, 08:51:42 AM
Surely Shankland must be worth a punt if he is considering a move to United.  Scored more goals last season than Wilson will get in his entire career.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 03, 2019, 08:53:08 AM
He was very shite for most of last season. Disinterested and unable to play as part of a team. "He could turn out to be amazing/there's a player in there somewhere" is a very risky strategy for what would be a high earner in such a vital position for us. It might work, but I have a feeling that it won't. In the two half decent - and that's all they were - games he had for us toward the end of the season, he still very much looked like a player that didn't know his position and didn't know his teammates. That could just be through lack of game time towards the end of the season, but it didn't look that way - he just didn't look like a particularly intelligent footballer. The biggest problem is that even with Cosgrove and Main, I still think we're short of a good striker. We've already got wastage in that area with May, we really can't afford more. I'd have been far happier we took a punt on someone else as I don't think Wilson improves our first 11 - at best he'll be a useful addition from the bench in 1 in 5 games. He got a lot of game time last season and was generally less useful than Stevie May. Imagine we'd just had Stevie May on loan last season and we were now trying to get him on a permanent deal. That's about the right level of underwhelming.

 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 03, 2019, 08:54:39 AM
Surely Shankland must be worth a punt if he is considering a move to United.  Scored more goals last season than Wilson will get in his entire career.

Is he not just another in the long line of Dennis Wyness's? That's the impression I've always had. Nae quite good enough in the top league, but ace in the second.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 03, 2019, 09:05:58 AM
Surely Shankland must be worth a punt if he is considering a move to United.  Scored more goals last season than Wilson will get in his entire career.

No

He's found his level. The way we play we need every player to be able to contribute to the team effort. Shankland is like Rooney (but not as good)...an out and out finisher who would contribute very little else. If the likes of St Mirren or Motherwell aren't interested then we certainly shouldn't be either
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: CvB on July 03, 2019, 09:11:10 AM
He was very shite for most of last season. Disinterested and unable to play as part of a team. "He could turn out to be amazing/there's a player in there somewhere" is a very risky strategy for what would be a high earner in such a vital position for us. It might work, but I have a feeling that it won't. In the two half decent - and that's all they were - games he had for us toward the end of the season, he still very much looked like a player that didn't know his position and didn't know his teammates. That could just be through lack of game time towards the end of the season, but it didn't look that way - he just didn't look like a particularly intelligent footballer. The biggest problem is that even with Cosgrove and Main, I still think we're short of a good striker. We've already got wastage in that area with May, we really can't afford more. I'd have been far happier we took a punt on someone else as I don't think Wilson improves our first 11 - at best he'll be a useful addition from the bench in 1 in 5 games. He got a lot of game time last season and was generally less useful than Stevie May. Imagine we'd just had Stevie May on loan last season and we were now trying to get him on a permanent deal. That's about the right level of underwhelming.

Cosgrove, Main, May, Wilson. You just know that there's going to be players stuck out in wide positions that don't fit their style of play just to accommodate them (Ref: Stewart, Aberdeen).
I've always felt that a striker needs to play, you're never going to get the best out of a forward if they only ever see the arse end of 15 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 03, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Is he not just another in the long line of Dennis Wyness's? That's the impression I've always had. Nae quite good enough in the top league, but ace in the second.

Never felt he got a proper crack at things first time around.  He played 17 games if you believe Wikipedia, starting just 2.  Plus he was just a youngster then, he was only 21 when he left.  We are throwing a load of cash at someone like Wilson who really has done nothing having had a full season in our first team.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 03, 2019, 10:21:28 AM
Never felt he got a proper crack at things first time around.  He played 17 games if you believe Wikipedia, starting just 2.  Plus he was just a youngster then, he was only 21 when he left.  We are throwing a load of cash at someone like Wilson who really has done nothing having had a full season in our first team.

It's a reasonable argument, but I'm not sure that Shankland v Wilson is a useful comparison. That's like saying that you don't like Boris Johnson so Jeremy Hunt would be a useful prime minister. In reality, both aren't good enough based on their current showings and attributes. I'd argue that Wilson has more untapped potential than Shankland - who I think has little room for improvement - but that doesn't mean that anyone will ever see it.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 03, 2019, 10:30:32 AM
Cosgrove, Main, May, Wilson. You just know that there's going to be players stuck out in wide positions that don't fit their style of play just to accommodate them (Ref: Stewart, Aberdeen).

Given that we generally play a 4-2-3-1 and we only have Hedges, McGinn, Wright and McLennan to fill the wide areas (and at least two of those are actually better through the middle) I think that you could be right. I don't think we need May and Main, so I would get rid of May. That'd leave Cosgrove and Wilson fighting for the main striker role and Main to do the May position of filling in just behind/alongside dependent on the opposition. With Anderson as the first sub with a view to him getting more game time and hopefully more goals.

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I've always felt that a striker needs to play, you're never going to get the best out of a forward if they only ever see the arse end of 15 minutes a game.

Not necessarily true. Some strikers thrive on being a sub and some have useful attributes that can see them changing a game when they come on. Guys like Magennis for instance generally confused the shite out of defenders with his battering ram style. I could see Main being useful in that regard. In terms of Wilson though, I agree, he doesn't really have anything worth bringing off a bench. He's neither clever enough to fit straight in to an attack (Cosgrove is, because he has a very defined role) nor relentless enough to force a tired opponent to make mistakes.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on July 03, 2019, 10:53:47 AM
I think wilson seemed to do better as a winger. He has the pace and skill to skin players. I reckon thats where Mcinnes sees him playing next season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: TheDeeDon on July 03, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
There may well have been issues with Wilson last season that we never saw the best of him. I would imagine that we were not the only club to offer him something and he will be on nothing like his Man Ure salary, so he must like it up here and see it as a chance to get his career back on track.

From a skill and technique point of view he is head and shoulders above any of our players in my opinion, but whether we can get that from him every week is another matter, but I am happy he has come here hopefully with a point to prove.



Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 03, 2019, 01:13:24 PM
From a skill and technique point of view he is head and shoulders above any of our players in my opinion

Nine times out of ten, that "technique" ended in him launching a shot 6 miles over the crossbar because he clearly hadn't perfected it in any match setting. He tried to do the modern style kicking under the ball technique on numerous occasions and was only succesful once (he had a great connection against Killie in the final game against them but it was too close to the keeper). It's really not that useful unless it's consistent and isn't done at the expense of all other parts of his game (which it was). Goodwillie also had great technique. Ferguson is just as good, technically, as Wilson in my opinion but backs it up by playing the game with his teammates in mind.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 03, 2019, 05:31:31 PM
James Wilson confirmed. 2 Year Contract right enough.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 03, 2019, 05:44:05 PM
So far, senior players only........

OUT - Graeme Shinnie, Gary Mackay-Steven, Mark Reynolds, Greg Halford, Greg Stewart, Dominic Ball & Max Lowe

IN - Curtis Main, James Wilson, Ryan Hedges, Ash Taylor, Craig Bryson, Greg Leigh & Jon Gallagher

Allegedly, Stephen Gleeson is in talks with a couple of Clubs in England, not sure what to make of that given McInnes said he's actually injured, but could be true ( Easy does it Rico ) and we also apparently agreed terms with Sunderland regarding McGeouch, but failed to agree personal terms with him. Midfielder being the main target before Friday, just won't be McGeouch.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on July 03, 2019, 05:47:29 PM
James Wilson confirmed. 2 Year Contract right enough.

Midfielder, McGeough ahead of Friday ?
Few players out on loan before end of August
Maybe a couple of loans in and we're good to go.

Only problem with timing of Wilson he is already a couple of weeks behind in terms of pre season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 03, 2019, 07:14:33 PM
Decent window so far, has to be said, but still think we need another midfielder (we are light in there).
 McGeough would be good as would Mulumbu , whether any of them is feasible remains to be seen.
   Glad we have done early business for a change. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 03, 2019, 09:03:20 PM
Agree, we’ve managed to get business done early. Hopefully a permanent deal central midfielder then pad out the squad with another loan signing or two. I think Wilson is quite a coup, I’m sure he had options for a lot more money. Obviously divided opinions but there is a player there, maybe the reality check of not being at Man U will be the needed kick up the arse.

Read somewhere DM sees Wilson as a wide player but with Wilson we have enough forwards and wide players now. Maybe a back up Ball type player (not in ability but a player who can play multiple positions) but I think we have quite a balanced squad.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 03, 2019, 09:34:24 PM
McGeouch coming to us we would need to at very least match his Sunderland wages of £8k/wk. Whilst I'm certain we could and would do that for the correct player......I'm not certain McGeouch is that right player.

Indeed I'd love to know how much we are spunking on Wilson. I really hope it works out....if he shines we might make a nice profit on him come January or next summer. But if he matches last season's performance then it's money down the toilet.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 04, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
McGeouch coming to us we would need to at very least match his Sunderland wages of £8k/wk. Whilst I'm certain we could and would do that for the correct player......I'm not certain McGeouch is that right player.

Indeed I'd love to know how much we are spunking on Wilson. I really hope it works out....if he shines we might make a nice profit on him come January or next summer. But if he matches last season's performance then it's money down the toilet.

Purely just a guestimate TC, but i would imagine we are paying Wilson somewhere around  the £5/6 k a week mark, which is still big money for us .
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on July 05, 2019, 09:03:46 PM
Credit where its due, this has been a really good window for us imo.  Even more so if we get mcgeoch.  I'm starting to feel very confident about the new season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 05, 2019, 10:06:32 PM
Credit where its due, this has been a really good window for us imo.  Even more so if we get mcgeoch.  I'm starting to feel very confident about the new season.

Especially when you see who our closest competitors are signing, not a lot to worry about in my honest opinion. Still need to get it right come match day of course, and there's still a long way to go until the window closes, but I feel cautiously optimistic ( tm Craig Brown ) heading into this season. Would love us to reach the group stages in the Europa League this time.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on July 06, 2019, 09:15:11 AM
Looks like the much-maligned Stevie May could be on his way. St Mirren and St Johnstone both supposedly interested.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on July 06, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
Looks like the much-maligned Stevie May could be on his way. St Mirren and St Johnstone both supposedly interested.

The two Dundee teams as well.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 06, 2019, 09:39:05 AM
Not one of the teams purportedly interested in May could get anywhere near paying him what we are. He certainly won't be moving anywhere to make less than what he would here over the 2 years left on his contract. So I'd imagine we are going to give him either a minimum of 1 years wages as a lump sum (£4k/wk = £200k approx.) or agree to subsidise his wages for the 2 years to the tune of around 50%-65%.

Either way it's a bit of a bitter pill just to get him out the door
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 06, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
Send him to a prem club on loan. See if he can get his mojo back. We're not going to get enough of a fee back.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 06, 2019, 02:24:11 PM
Send him to a prem club on loan. See if he can get his mojo back. We're not going to get enough of a fee back.

It would have to be a hell of an improvement to see him anywhere near our first team. The reverse is that if he goes somewhere and does nothing (which is currently the most likely scenario given the last 4 years of his career) then even fewer clubs will be willing to take a punt on him, thus we only get 10% of his salary covered, as opposed to the 20-40% we might get by getting rid now.

He's not been unprofessional in any way whilst here, just nae been good enough. Offload him and reduce the numbers in the squad thus giving Anderson a chance.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on July 06, 2019, 03:55:11 PM
Whether May can recapture any kind of goalscoring form after moving on will be interesting to see. But here he will be wasted like Stewart as he isnt suited to our system. Hes tried hard and you cant fault his workrate but hes not a natural finisher.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on July 06, 2019, 09:25:29 PM
what goal scoring form ? one season at top level
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on July 06, 2019, 11:05:53 PM
what goal scoring form ? one season at top level

Yeah, and a couple at a lower level. When you look at it its not a lot but he was doing well at that point. I cant really put my finger on why it worked out for him then but not now.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 06, 2019, 11:11:50 PM
Yeah, and a couple at a lower level. When you look at it its not a lot but he was doing well at that point. I cant really put my finger on why it worked out for him then but not now.

The guy was young, fit, injury free, and full of confidence. We signed a damaged man, health wise and psychologically. Sad to see the decline but it happens. Not unlike the James Wilson story, cruciate injury and he’s gone from Man Utd to squad player in Scotland.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on July 06, 2019, 11:35:52 PM
The guy was young, fit, injury free, and full of confidence. We signed a damaged man, health wise and psychologically. Sad to see the decline but it happens. Not unlike the James Wilson story, cruciate injury and he’s gone from Man Utd to squad player in Scotland.

You are probably right, It makes you think maybe that is what is wrong with our approach to recruitment in general. Look at the players who went on to do well with us and most of them were on an upward trajectory. Think Severin, Hayes, Mcginn, Maclean etc. Of course there are exceptions, Rooney being the stand-out.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 07, 2019, 09:45:50 AM
...as he isnt suited to our system

What is "our system"?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Chris Frae Killie on July 07, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
What is "our system"?

It is an interesting question! When we had Hates and McGinn playing on top form, we played a system where we attacked teams down the flanks and it was very entertaining to watch. Since we lost both of them (I know McGinn is back) we lost our width and became a more defensive 1 up front long ball team. Hopefully this new full back and winter can give us more width along with Wright finally showing what he can do on a consistent basis. It has the makings of an exciting system!

"It's the hope that kills us!"
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: redordead on July 07, 2019, 05:37:06 PM
What is our system is a great question.

Last season I'm not even sure that the players knew. So far it looks like much of the same with new personnel.

I'm hoping that wright finally gets a run as he is for me the most creative player we have. I've also thought that Gallagher looks good from what I've seen.

For me the big issue is, do we bench Sam and try to play on the ground and create more with Wilson , wright, Gallagher and McLennan? All very mobile.Or do we hope that Sam will start winning long balls and rely on him to score all our goals again. A tactic that seen some of the worst football that I can remember last season. No slight to Sam as he hit the newel for a period.

Derek also clearly rates Main, I don't see where he fits in unless we go 2 up front. Does anybody else have an idea of how we will line up?  You'd expect Thursday to be an indicator.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 07, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
What is our system is a great question.

Last season I'm not even sure that the players knew. So far it looks like much of the same with new personnel.

I'm hoping that wright finally gets a run as he is for me the most creative player we have. I've also thought that Gallagher looks good from what I've seen.

For me the big issue is, do we bench Sam and try to play on the ground and create more with Wilson , wright, Gallagher and McLennan? All very mobile.Or do we hope that Sam will start winning long balls and rely on him to score all our goals again. A tactic that seen some of the worst football that I can remember last season. No slight to Sam as he hit the newel for a period.

Derek also clearly rates Main, I don't see where he fits in unless we go 2 up front. Does anybody else have an idea of how we will line up?  You'd expect Thursday to be an indicator.

The guy scored 21 goals last season.

And he's also far more effective when the ball is actually played to his feet. We should have Main or Wilson playing off of him, like we should have done with Stewart last season. Fuck Stewart though, he's not our player.

Cosgrove is, as it stands, our most effective forward, our manager just seems to enjoy punting the ball, something we didn't do, or certainly not as much, when we had a trio of Hayes, McGinn & Rooney.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on July 08, 2019, 07:22:30 PM
Frank Ross off to Ayr Utd on six month loan
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on July 08, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Frank Ross off to Ayr Utd on six month loan

Will do him good as he needs game time. Looked decent at start of last season before he got injured.

Just noticed David Dangana also out on loan to Stranraer.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on July 08, 2019, 09:02:20 PM
Either the loan will do Ross good or prove that he isn’t up to it with us. He is that young any more so needs regular football somewhere.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 08, 2019, 11:00:27 PM
Been unlucky with injury, but I don't think Frank Ross will make it like, he's nae quite got enough pace and I think that'll do it for a player in his position. Similar level to Cammy Smith in my opinion. Ethan Ross has the attributes to make it I reckon. If Frank could trick Ethan into going to Ayr instead of him, then he might get some game time before McInnes notices.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Madbadteacher on July 09, 2019, 03:20:55 PM
Should loan Stevie May to Cove until January so he can bang a few in down in league 2, also means he doesn’t have to move.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 09, 2019, 04:01:23 PM
If he went to St J (or one of the Dundee clubs) he wouldn't really have to move either. Wherever he ends up I hope it works out well for the loon. It hasn't worked out for him with us but no one can ever question his attitude
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 10, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
This Dylan McGeouch saga is dragging on. According to Richard Gordon last night, we have had an offer accepted for him.

Yesterday though, here is an article with Jack Ross, claiming he wants McGeouch to stay and claims McGeouch himself wants to stay.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/latest-sunderland-afc-news/jack-ross-reveals-the-latest-on-dylan-mcgeouchs-sunderland-future-451969

I know things change quickly in Football, but this is dragging on, I was told we had an offer for him accepted over a week ago, but he rejected our contract, which was a 4 year contract, then we tried to go down the Loan route, but would appear he's maybe had a change of heart and wants to come permanently.

I have a feeling we'll sign him one way or another, be it permanently or a loan, but I hope he's not holding us to ransom, maybe hoping someone else comes in for him or that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: redordead on July 10, 2019, 12:28:42 PM
McGeouch really doesn't excite me. I'm thinking that fergie and Bryson will play Defensive centre. Surely we have enough options to play behind the striker if DMC would make up his mind. Wright could play there, as could ean ever slowing McGinn, or Gallagher or God forbid we play Wilson off the striker where he can make runs.

What we need is a back up defensive CM. I thought that when bigrimana was released, that he was ideal and had given us a hard time in the past. Don't know why he never pushed on last season. Face didn't fit possibly.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 10, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
I was against signing him last summer and when I heard we were after him again was totally underwhelmed. It's a strange situation all round, even his contract at Sunderland was only for 12 months but with either Sunderland or the player himself able to invoke a further 12 months if they wished to do so and I believe it was the club who chose to invoke it. I think it's quite obvious they were hoping to net themselves a fee by doing so, but McGeouch himself is now demanding that Sunderland cough up a percentage of this and Sunderland aren't playing ball. He is supposedly on £8k/week down there....I don't think we would stretch to that for him (I've no doubt we could just don't think we would in his case) which is why he will be wanting Sunderland to give him a pay-off. Why would he move to take a pay cut?

It's my belief he (or his agent) is using our interest to try to drum up further interest. I'm fairly certain he views us a last resort option. Just dont think he fancies moving up north. I think if Hibs matched our offer, as I don't doubt they could, he would jump at it assuming he could get Sunderland to give him a pay-off (or have the buying club give him a signing on fee to cover what he would lose out on wages wise). However the new Hibs boss supposedly isn't interested, so with the Old Infirm not likely to be interested either and Hearts equally unlikely to be interested, the only option for him is likely to be another English club or head abroad to maintain the level of wages he is expecting.

To my mind he has fucked us around once too often and we should be looking elsewhere, but DM sees something in him that I don't so wouldn't surprise me to see him signing on reluctantlyin a few weeks time once he realises he has no interest elsewhere. But I'm hoping we pull a rabbit out the fire in the interim and leave the baldy wee c@nt stewing for a year in the Sunderland reserves.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 10, 2019, 02:25:28 PM
I was against signing him last summer and when I heard we were after him again was totally underwhelmed. It's a strange situation all round, even his contract at Sunderland was only for 12 months but with either Sunderland or the player himself able to invoke a further 12 months if they wished to do so and I believe it was the club who chose to invoke it. I think it's quite obvious they were hoping to net themselves a fee by doing so, but McGeouch himself is now demanding that Sunderland cough up a percentage of this and Sunderland aren't playing ball. He is supposedly on £8k/week down there....I don't think we would stretch to that for him (I've no doubt we could just don't think we would in his case) which is why he will be wanting Sunderland to give him a pay-off. Why would he move to take a pay cut?

It's my belief he (or his agent) is using our interest to try to drum up further interest. I'm fairly certain he views us a last resort option. Just dont think he fancies moving up north. I think if Hibs matched our offer, as I don't doubt they could, he would jump at it assuming he could get Sunderland to give him a pay-off (or have the buying club give him a signing on fee to cover what he would lose out on wages wise). However the new Hibs boss supposedly isn't interested, so with the Old Infirm not likely to be interested either and Hearts equally unlikely to be interested, the only option for him is likely to be another English club or head abroad to maintain the level of wages he is expecting.

To my mind he has fucked us around once too often and we should be looking elsewhere, but DM sees something in him that I don't so wouldn't surprise me to see him signing on reluctantlyin a few weeks time once he realises he has no interest elsewhere. But I'm hoping we pull a rabbit out the fire in the interim and leave the baldy wee c@nt stewing for a year in the Sunderland reserves.

Do we really need players to be absolutely committed to the dons as their number one choice without looking at any other options or assessing their personal situation? If it takes a few weeks, then it takes a few weeks. It's quite a big decision to move town, especially if there is family involved, so a few extra days isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 10, 2019, 02:45:21 PM
Do we really need players to be absolutely committed to the dons as their number one choice without looking at any other options or assessing their personal situation? If it takes a few weeks, then it takes a few weeks. It's quite a big decision to move town, especially if there is family involved, so a few extra days isn't the end of the world.

Yes we do

We should have learned from the magoo fiasco. I don't want us being anyones back up option
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on July 10, 2019, 02:48:34 PM
Yes we do

We should have learned from the magoo fiasco. I don't want us being anyones back up option


As much as I agree in principle I just don't think this is practical. We'd just have nae players.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 10, 2019, 03:58:30 PM
I rate McGeouch, i think there’s a player there. But as people say, I think he’s not really interested in coming to us. Saying that, the only one quoted in the media is Ross saying he wants to keep him but that doesn’t say whether DMG wants to stay. I was never convinced GMS wanted to be here and he saw us as simply an opportunity to be seen and get another move, this would be the same in my opinion.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 10, 2019, 04:31:37 PM
Joe Lewis confirmed as the Captain.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 10, 2019, 08:19:45 PM
Yes we do

We should have learned from the magoo fiasco. I don't want us being anyones back up option


What a bizarre/irrational attitude. Why would any player or manager who doesn't support the club think of us as anything other than a finite part of their career? The only issue with surrounding McGhee's appointment was the fact that he said it to the press instead of just saying he was sorting out his family situation or some such. But it's a fairly unique example and one that isn't really applicable to a manager. Logan didn't want to come to Aberdeen, GMS's form wasn't affected by him not wanting to be here, Shinnie knew he wasn't staying beyond the end of the season and many other examples - in fact the overwhelming majority of dons players. Stewart wanted to be here last season and turned out to be pish. The only relevance is whether a player wants to give his all when he's here and I don't doubt McGeouch - with his work ethic - will be an issue in that regard. If he joins any other team, then he can go and fuck himself obviously.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on July 11, 2019, 11:12:51 AM
I rate McGeouch, i think there’s a player there. But as people say, I think he’s not really interested in coming to us. Saying that, the only one quoted in the media is Ross saying he wants to keep him but that doesn’t say whether DMG wants to stay. I was never convinced GMS wanted to be here and he saw us as simply an opportunity to be seen and get another move, this would be the same in my opinion.

The thing is how often in modern football do managers of a club get final say on all in-comings and outgoings? Rarely. Ross wanting McGeouch to stay is all very well but the board or the money men at Sunderland clearly want him out on his arse. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on July 11, 2019, 03:44:10 PM
We're apparently competing with Hibs for the guy Ojo who's currently with Scunthorpe. Would imagine McGeouch definitely isn't happening if we're offering cash here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48954839
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 11, 2019, 04:18:39 PM
That's more like it: A foreigner, palindromic surname. Can't get better than that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 11, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
I'd imagine if we got Ojo onboard then yes McGeouch would be a no go. But if he chooses Hibs then I think we will be back in for him.

Not sure who I'd prefer tbh. On balance, probably Ojo….. purely in that I don't rate McGeouch at all. I know nothing of Ojo so he gets the benefit of any doubt.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on July 11, 2019, 04:36:34 PM
will be interesting given hibs recent financial improvement, must admit i like look of this guy
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on July 11, 2019, 04:38:43 PM
palindromic  marvellous
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 11, 2019, 06:14:24 PM
Some BBC Radio Humberside gype reporting that Ojo has chosen Hibs over us
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on July 11, 2019, 06:21:54 PM
has already agreed a deal anyway so i guess this was always a non starter
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 11, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
Based on what I saw today we do need an experienced holding midfielder to play alongside Ferguson with Bryson ahead as our #10. Wouldn’t mind seeing Gallagher at right back, certainly got the engine to bomb up and down and give Shay the kick up the arse he needs.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 12, 2019, 10:53:58 AM
Based on what I saw today we do need an experienced holding midfielder to play alongside Ferguson with Bryson ahead as our #10. Wouldn’t mind seeing Gallagher at right back, certainly got the engine to bomb up and down and give Shay the kick up the arse he needs.

I thought Shay was pretty good last night, barring his odd lapse in concentration that eventually led to their goal. But defensively he was sound and showed plenty of energy getting up and down the wing, much more like it from him. 

 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on July 12, 2019, 04:54:03 PM
this ojo fella might be signing
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on July 12, 2019, 06:30:52 PM

 Its in the Retard so.... https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/funso-ojo-aberdeen-dons-look-18090181?utm_source=sharebar&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharebar
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 12, 2019, 07:38:36 PM
Apparently Ojo is up here having signing talks, after we upped our offer, tbh i would imagine we could/would offer a better  deal than them & yes the media seem to now be suggesting we are favourites for his signature. :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 12, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
From Robert Thomson, of The Sun.

Aberdeen will announce his arrival in the next 24 hours and he will be registered for the next round of the Europa League if they get past Finns RoPS.

A reporter for ScunthorpeLive has also confirmed that he's signing a 2 year contract with us.

Will wait for the confirmation from ourselves obviously, but if these guys are to be believed, then welcome aboard Funso.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 12, 2019, 09:20:27 PM
I thought Shay was pretty good last night, barring his odd lapse in concentration that eventually led to their goal. But defensively he was sound and showed plenty of energy getting up and down the wing, much more like it from him.


One game does not a player make. Been gash the best part of two years now. Gallagher is on the up, Shay the opposite direction. Would be a good permanent signing.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 12, 2019, 10:29:27 PM
He's a good experienced Full Back, who chips in with the odd goal, assist and can defend against wingers. He's still one of the better RB's in the League and whilst I agree that he's not been at his best this last 12-18 months, he still has a season or two in him.

Gallagher for me, on the basis of last night, would be a good wide attacking midfield option, who can help out the full backs as well as create plenty. Similar to McGinn of old and Hayes, when he was here. Hopefully Virtanen can take over Logan's position when he eventually leaves/retires, unless we bring in another permanent RB to replace him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 13, 2019, 10:56:01 AM
Bang on KFP :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 13, 2019, 11:44:28 AM
Shame we look like signing another non-scot. Our team might only feature two or three scottish players this season. I'd expect only McKenna (if still here), Bryson and Ferguson are certain of a starting place when fit. We must have as many English players now as there has ever been at Pittodrie.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 13, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Aye that thought had occurred to me too. I don't think we will ever reach the position of oldco where they regularly started with a team of 11 non-Scots but the days of fielding 11 Scottish players I think are gone forever. Bosman has seen to that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on July 13, 2019, 12:06:54 PM
Mclennan, Wright, Anderson and Campbell all pushing for 1st team football so not that bad
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 13, 2019, 09:19:12 PM
Imagine Ojo made another U-Turn and signed for Hibs after all....... :o

Expected the lad to be announced today, but looking unlikely, perhaps we'll get it on Monday. I see plenty of News sources claiming we were trying to sign John Bostock on loan from Toulouse, but ended that due to the arrival of Ojo.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 13, 2019, 11:06:29 PM
Imagine Ojo made another U-Turn and signed for Hibs after all....... :o

Expected the lad to be announced today, but looking unlikely, perhaps we'll get it on Monday. I see plenty of News sources claiming we were trying to sign John Bostock on loan from Toulouse, but ended that due to the arrival of Ojo.
Not long off having a gander at Hivs.net........supposedly Heckingarse has said Hibs no longer interested in Ojo...words to the effect of "only want players who really want to play for Hibs". Their supporters now think Ojo is mince....they weren't saying that on Thursday. They also seem to believe that McGeouch will also join us eventually.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on July 14, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
Sky Sports apparently saying we’re in for James Morrison on a free. Certainly plenty experience there so from that perspective he’d definitely be good for Ferguson and Campbell. Both Edinburgh teams sniffing about too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 14, 2019, 11:04:32 AM
Yeah, bit shocked we are being linked to Morrison , as are the hiv brothers.  Would probably be a good fit for us but can see one of those teams breaking the bank for him.
  If we sign another midfielder ,which is looking likely, just wondering what his 1st choice midfield would look like, Fergie finding himself squeezed out ? :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 14, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
Strange one being after Morrison. If anyone is likely to suffer from that I'd say it would be Bryson  ???

I'd be amazed if he was interested at the kind of wages we or the Edinburgh clubs could pay. I'm certain we could stretch to £10k/week for the right player if we had to. But even that would be only half of what he is used to.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on July 14, 2019, 12:25:14 PM
Dunno like, Morrison is classically a no 10
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on July 14, 2019, 01:19:47 PM
I think Ferguson, Bryson, Morrison and Ojo, with Campbell in the mix as well, gives us plenty options for injury cover and rotation: Bryson and Morrison might not both be able to play every game and Ferguson will need a rest at some point.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 14, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
Morrison is interesting. My initial response was no given he’s 33 and we’ve already signed s 32 year old but as pointed out I can’t see Bryson playing every game and Ferguson was run to death last year. However, getting buy in that Bryson, Ferguson, Ojo, and Morrison won’t always start or be first choice may be tough but in terms of numbers if we sign Ojo I still think we’re one central mid short. It would certainly give us the depth we need in central midfield plus allow us to put Dean Campbell out on loan for much needed playing time and experience.

European football and DMs WBA connection give us the edge here?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 14, 2019, 07:02:36 PM
Ojo confirmed.

3 Year Contract.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on July 14, 2019, 07:17:41 PM
Ojo confirmed.

3 Year Contract.

https://www.afc.co.uk/2019/07/14/funso-ojo-joins-the-dons/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 14, 2019, 07:21:43 PM
Similar scoring record to many of our forwards 😁
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on July 14, 2019, 08:01:04 PM
gallus pish ripping out of him, this will go 2 ways superstar or chris forrester, i actually think the former
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 14, 2019, 08:08:49 PM
Think this'll be a good signing. Great to see DM actually signing players rather than on loans.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 14, 2019, 08:19:14 PM
Think this'll be a good signing. Great to see DM actually signing players rather than on loans.

Yes, yes & yes again. This was a big bugbear of mine last season. This time around, we only have Gallagher & Leigh, and to be honest, if things all go well, there's probably a good chance both players could become permanent anyway.

Ojo is basically Jack's replacement.  He said he likes to get on the ball and give it to the players that make things happen, he's a sitting midfielder. He said that he spoke to a few players in England and that he almost didn't want to come up to Scotland due to their comments, thankfully he came and seen for himself.

Can't really think of any more positions we need to fill now, and that's our 8th signing this summer, if they all bed in nicely and hit the ground running, this could be a rather productive season. I am certainly happy with the business thus far.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 14, 2019, 08:38:57 PM
Interesting red tv interview. Sounds like DM really wanted the guy and well played for going all out to get him. Also sounds like Funso doesn’t lack on confidence, hope he’s a player!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on July 15, 2019, 12:35:15 AM
I hope Mr Ojo don't end up like Yoann Folly and having to retire early!!  Always thought our Togo lad could have been something decent too.  Believe he went on to study Law after leaving us right??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: OxfordDon on July 15, 2019, 07:14:31 PM
Training facility already a boost and its not even open yet:

Quote
"I visited the new training facility. That was impressive. All the technology is going to be state of the art."
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 15, 2019, 07:21:32 PM
Training facility already a boost and its not even open yet:


This ^^^^. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Elgindon on July 15, 2019, 08:05:16 PM
Strange one being after Morrison. If anyone is likely to suffer from that I'd say it would be Bryson  ???

I'd be amazed if he was interested at the kind of wages we or the Edinburgh clubs could pay. I'm certain we could stretch to £10k/week for the right player if we had to. But even that would be only half of what he is used to.

 I'd hope we didnt spend 10k per week on one player,but if we do have that money to play with,I'd rather we spent it in a different way,eg 5 upcoming talents @£2k per week,in the hope at least one goes on to greater things
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on July 15, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Training facilities are going to make a huge difference imo, continuity is key when it comes to preparing for matches.

Re 10 k a week?  No chance.  Absolutely none.  At a push we could do 5k but there is no danger we are paying any player half a million a year. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 15, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
Training facilities are going to make a huge difference imo, continuity is key when it comes to preparing for matches.

Re 10 k a week?  No chance.  Absolutely none.  At a push we could do 5k but there is no danger we are paying any player half a million a year.

We are already paying more than £5k/week. We offered McGeouch £6.5k/week  a year ago. We offered Shinnie even more to stay. Our AVERAGE player wage in 2017/18 was just over £2650/week. Which includes young eens in the U18s on pretty much national minimum wage (Call it £8/hr over a 40 hour week =£320/week. So it then follows we are paying our senior pros a whack more than £2650/week to counterbalance that...……..do the math as they say in Yankland)

EDIT.....and bear in mind we were paying Craig Hignett £8k/week over 20 years ago....
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on July 15, 2019, 09:50:40 PM
You got sources for all these figures?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tom_widdows on July 15, 2019, 11:00:02 PM
EDIT.....and bear in mind we were paying Craig Hignett £8k/week over 20 years ago....

and bear in mind he jumped ship after about 1/4 season (supposedly the Dons actually got for £1.2mil for him!) and a chunk of that money was then wasted on the likes of Nigel Pepper.

I would be very careful about basing the current financial model on whatever the hell the club were up to back in the days of Roy Aitken & Alex Miller.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on July 16, 2019, 09:22:14 AM
We are already paying more than £5k/week. We offered McGeouch £6.5k/week  a year ago. We offered Shinnie even more to stay. Our AVERAGE player wage in 2017/18 was just over £2650/week. Which includes young eens in the U18s on pretty much national minimum wage (Call it £8/hr over a 40 hour week =£320/week. So it then follows we are paying our senior pros a whack more than £2650/week to counterbalance that...……..do the math as they say in Yankland)

EDIT.....and bear in mind we were paying Craig Hignett £8k/week over 20 years ago....

Not to mention the quarterly bonus he had included in his contract.
Pity it was short lived as reckon over the course of a season or so Hignett would have been a revelation for us :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Barcosente on July 16, 2019, 01:13:24 PM
It was a shame it didn't work out for Hignett. He was exactly the sort of player the Don's needed at the time.
I seem to recall that he was having some family issues which meant he was traveling all the time. Wikipedia reports a fee received by the Don's of £800,000, which isn't a bad return for someone we signed on a freebie.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 17, 2019, 04:09:19 PM
What’s everyone’s take on the squad at present?

Lewis
Cerny
Rogers (expect to go out on loan)
Logan
Gallagher
Taylor
Devlin
Considine
McKenna
Leigh
Wright
McGinn
Hedges
McLennan
Bryson
Campbell
Ferguson
Gleeson (who I expect gone)
May (who I expect gone)
Wilson
Main
Cosgrove

That’s 19 excluding Rogers, Gleeson, and May, and doesn’t include any more young boys, Anderson, Ross x 2 or 3, Virtanen. That’s not bad depth, I assume we’re done in the transfer window? I suppose my only thing would be to loan Campbell, sell/loan Wright (aka Pawlett) and punt Gleeson, and add another central midfielder.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 17, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
Agree May will be gone although wherever he rocks up (Dundee supposedly favourites) I'm sure we will be stumping up 50% of his wages for the next 2 years. Gleeson I don't think is gone. Just can't see anyone wanting him on the wages he will be on. He might get a gig in the Irish League but we would be stumping up 75-90% of his wages if he went there....he's not a total duffer just unfit. On balance I think we will keep him as hes a useful option if we suffer a few injuries. Rodgers will be sent on loan again if anyone will have him. And I think will be released next year.

Anderson needs to go out on loan again. He did well at Dunfermline by all accounts so needs to be tested at a slightly higher level. Maybe Hamilton or St Mirren? Wright.....I just don't think can cut it at our level. He might have one brilliant game but then follow up with 4 stinkers or just totally anonymous. Physically he's also too slight. I'd be letting him go if he could get himself fixed up with another club but I think DM will give him till January. What to do with Campbell is the big question. Lots of shouts for him to go on loan but he did play fairly regularly second half of last season (knock on effect from Ball having to fill in for Logan's injury). I think he will be a first pick in 12 months time but Ojo will keep him out for now. Could be a bench option but on balance prob better heading out on loan for 6 months(hence why I think we will keep Gleeson rather than punt to an Irish club).

I've said elsewhere we should be offering Atlanta a small fee for Gallagher right now. I fear if we don't he will end up down south. Yes it's a bit of a punt but getting through to next round in Europe would cover any fee plus that we paid for Ojo. Left back is still a bit of an unknown quantity. Cannot comment on that till we have seen more of Leigh. Right back....I've been consistent in my concern about Shay for almost 2 years now. Definitely needs a back up signed. In fact I'd prefer we signed a first choice and made Logan the back up tbh.

Up front......I have my concerns about Wilson. Not entirely convinced about his attitude, however he is now our player rather trhan Man U's. He might look a bit more motivated as he must realise career wise he's in the last chance saloon. Do well and he could get a good move south in  year (and net us a tidy fee). Do badly and it's non-league English fitba' in 2 years (but he's already a multi-millionaire....would he actually bother with that??) Still hoping we sign an out and out "number 10" before the window closes. McGinn was excellent last week and will still be an asset but he is getting older by the month and his fitness was never great even in his peak.

Overall....yeah things look fairly good on paper. Should certainly be enough in the squad to guarantee us third in the league, maybe push for second if sevco's acquisitions are all as poor as Stewart. Decent draw in one of the Cups and we will be there or thereabouts


Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: redordead on July 17, 2019, 09:00:41 PM
I don't disagree with a lot of the above. However wright for me is the player with real guile in our squad and last weeks system really suited him. If we play with 4 attacking midfielders it'd be crazy to lose him. Sadly I think that once Ojo is clear to play, we'll go back to 4-2-3-1 and serve up last sessions fayre.
Yes he loses the ball, but he also creates and has vision. The best players lose the ball. Messi doesn't score every time he dribbles. Wright should be given games to grow.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 24, 2019, 12:49:45 AM
So are we expecting any further movement or do we think that this is us?  I'd hope we got another striker in, but can't see DM doing it. Really do wonder where the goals are going to come from again.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 24, 2019, 03:09:07 AM
Cosgrove, Main, Wilson, Anderson, don’t see another striker coming in. If we add I’d expect/hope another central midfielder, still relying on Ferguson to play a hell of a lot.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 24, 2019, 06:12:25 AM
Cosgrove, Main, Wilson, Anderson, don’t see another striker coming in. If we add I’d expect/hope another central midfielder, still relying on Ferguson to play a hell of a lot.

I guess I see Anderson going out on loan again, but could be wrong.  Ideally at a prem club.

But agree re: midfielder and Ferguson.  He looked knackered last season
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on July 24, 2019, 08:44:38 AM
Cosgrove, Main, Wilson, Anderson, don’t see another striker coming in. If we add I’d expect/hope another central midfielder, still relying on Ferguson to play a hell of a lot.

Ferguson did look knackered, but there were also no alternatives last season with Gleeson being pap. If Ojo and Bryson are as good as we assume that they would be, then Ferguson can be rotated with those guys further back, or rotated with Wright or Gallagher further forward. Campbell also seems to be progressing nicely, so I'd rather see him used as a good backup if he's not going out on loan.

I'd rather we signed a striker as I don't think Cosgrove is quite good enough, and I don't think Wilson is the answer to many questions.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 24, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
Agree with you regarding the forwards but we have Cosgrove, Main, Wilson, Hedges, and Gallagher, all who have played up top. Can’t see us adding anyone else. I’m still waiting for the Dom Ball type signing, someone who provides cover at the back and in midfield, especially since DM has said multiple times now we have only 4 fit defenders.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 24, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
Agree with you regarding the forwards but we have Cosgrove, Main, Wilson, Hedges, and Gallagher, all who have played up top. Can’t see us adding anyone else. I’m still waiting for the Dom Ball type signing, someone who provides cover at the back and in midfield, especially since DM has said multiple times now we have only 4 fit defenders.

I don't think we have seen the last of Ball in Aberdeen. (I hesitate to say at Pittodrie….but I think he will be back before we move to the new ground. Just don't think he will cut it at QPR)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 24, 2019, 08:11:39 PM
So are we expecting any further movement or do we think that this is us?  I'd hope we got another striker in, but can't see DM doing it. Really do wonder where the goals are going to come from again.


Agreed.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 24, 2019, 08:15:58 PM
Still think D.M will bring in someone  when May goes, not sure if he will play in the middle of the park or up top :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 24, 2019, 09:09:57 PM
Still think D.M will bring in someone  when May goes, not sure if he will play in the middle of the park or up top :dunno:

Not so sure, increased playing time for Wright and McLennan?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on July 26, 2019, 09:30:49 AM
Replacement for Taylor?  ::)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 26, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Maybe a 6 month loan for someone who can cover RB/RCD?

Did Hoban ever take us up on our offer of providing rehab facilities? He may be the answer if he regains fitness but I don't think he will be ready until after the mid-season break at the earliest so I'd guess a loan meantime would tide us over
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Madbadteacher on July 26, 2019, 01:36:54 PM
Can Stevie May play at the back?
Doesn’t look like he’s leaving just yet 😂
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 26, 2019, 07:54:19 PM
Would D.M contemplate going back in for Shaugnessy ? Looks like its Taylor's hamstring :frown:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 26, 2019, 08:10:37 PM
I doubt Joe Shug is a target unless devlin or Taylor are long term injuries. Once healthy DM is stuck trying to keep three defenders happy when only one plays alongside McKenna. Saying that, Joe also plays right back and competes with Shay. Still think we’d more likely end up with a young loon from the English premier or championship.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: dons8321 on July 26, 2019, 11:06:20 PM
I doubt Joe Shug is a target unless devlin or Taylor are long term injuries. Once healthy DM is stuck trying to keep three defenders happy when only one plays alongside McKenna. Saying that, Joe also plays right back and competes with Shay. Still think we’d more likely end up with a young loon from the English premier or championship.
Isn't Devlin a permanent long term injury worry, though?  Sadly, like Hoban, he looks like a really good defender but won't play more that 10-15 games all season.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 26, 2019, 11:45:59 PM
Agreed, there is no way we can rely on Devlin and can't understand why are folk even bothering with Hoban??  Nice guys, great on their day, but that day is very few and far between. Can't keep signing crocks. Have we ever turned one around?

After Thursday, I think we need 4 positions filled (3, depending on Leigh but it's not looking promising). Striker, creative mid, CB and LB.  Still a helluva lot of work to do.  Hoping Hedges is kept in midfield as we can't afford to have him at the back. If McGinn is off the boil, we've no creativity on the wing whatsoever.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on July 27, 2019, 03:49:52 AM
Agreed, there is no way we can rely on Devlin and can't understand why are folk even bothering with Hoban??  Nice guys, great on their day, but that day is very few and far between. Can't keep signing crocks. Have we ever turned one around?

After Thursday, I think we need 4 positions filled (3, depending on Leigh but it's not looking promising). Striker, creative mid, CB and LB.  Still a helluva lot of work to do.  Hoping Hedges is kept in midfield as we can't afford to have him at the back. If McGinn is off the boil, we've no creativity on the wing whatsoever.

There’s needs and wants. We have a 20 goal striker and two more signed, plus Anderson. And that doesn’t include May. While you want we don’t need, we aren’t signing another striker. Obviously the elephant in the room is that none of our strikers are natural goalscorers.

Don’t see an issue with the left back, injuries and bad luck happen. Agree a creative center mid is lacking, maybe that’s Bryson, we’ve yet to see, plus when we play a 4-2-3-1 as we started on Thursday you saw mcginn and hedges in there, both who can create. I’d like another but don’t see it happening.

Central defense, defense in general really, is the issue. Do we trust devlin to be healthy? Taylor? Rely on a declining Logan and Considine? The more I think about it, Joe Shug would be a worthwhile addition.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on July 27, 2019, 05:09:36 AM
There’s needs and wants. We have a 20 goal striker and two more signed, plus Anderson. And that doesn’t include May. While you want we don’t need, we aren’t signing another striker. Obviously the elephant in the room is that none of our strikers are natural goalscorers.

Don’t see an issue with the left back, injuries and bad luck happen. Agree a creative center mid is lacking, maybe that’s Bryson, we’ve yet to see, plus when we play a 4-2-3-1 as we started on Thursday you saw mcginn and hedges in there, both who can create. I’d like another but don’t see it happening.

Central defense, defense in general really, is the issue. Do we trust devlin to be healthy? Taylor? Rely on a declining Logan and Considine? The more I think about it, Joe Shug would be a worthwhile addition.

Didn't his dad fuck the deal up by asking too much and we withdrew our offer? Sure I read that here somewhere. Regardless, I was gutted because I thought he'd come along a lot since he'd left us.

Left back is only an issue if Leigh is an issue. Right now, not a priority imo.  The others are more pressing.  I'm happy enough with Cosgrove.  folk saying he's playing shit this season, he played shit last season and got goals. I don't care if they're penalties, he's scoring them.  However, Anderson isn't good enough (yet), i'd like to see him go on loan to a prem club and get someone in that can score goals. Even if it's just on loan until Christmas.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Madbadteacher on July 27, 2019, 04:00:14 PM
Hasn’t Shug signed somewhere in England ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on July 27, 2019, 04:26:16 PM
not yet
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on July 29, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
Last I heard he was on trial at a Shewsbury or Southend or some shite like that. I believe he held us to ransom over wages. He was captain at St. Johnstone and wanted to be one of our higher earners. It sounded to me like his agent (Dad?) fucked it up. As a result we had to sign Ash Taylor. :( Who is now injured of course after putting in a ridiculous challenge on Thursday.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 29, 2019, 11:28:18 AM
Apparently the writing is on the wall for Louis Moult at Preston. Not seen us linked with him anywhere recently, but if we see movement with May heading out, I do think we'll bring another Striker in & Moult is the very player that McInnes will have kept tabs on. Too lazy to look up his remaining contract at Preston or his market value etc... would imagine it would be a loan if he has a bit of time left on his contract.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on July 29, 2019, 12:19:16 PM
Moult to Salford City is apparently on the cards. Foreby that.....it was his wife who was desperate to get back down south when he left Motherwell so even if we could put a financial package together that might attract him......would his missus tolerate moving so far north given how homesick she was living only an hour north  of the border?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on July 29, 2019, 12:37:35 PM
Had no idea regarding his Missus, TC, would probably scupper any hope we would have if there was actual interest.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on August 06, 2019, 09:55:24 PM
Loan signing incoming

Zak Vyner from Bristol City
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on August 06, 2019, 11:04:27 PM
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/bristol-city-defender-zak-vyner-3182223
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 07, 2019, 12:07:33 AM
Saw that early this morning, absolutely no way should a loan be part of a deal for mckenna going the other way. Millions plus player thanks.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 07, 2019, 12:34:23 AM
Don’t see this as linked to McKenna, DM said last week he’d look to add if we progressed. More to do with the health of devlin and Taylor I believe.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on August 07, 2019, 12:56:56 AM
Loan is a done deal and will be eligible by wildcard entry for rijeka according to Chris Harvey on twitter. Next 24 hours are going to be interesting re McKenna.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 07, 2019, 06:16:35 AM
Don’t see McKenna going anywhere right now as I don’t see anyone giving us the money we want. 6-12 months ago perhaps but not currently, he’s just not stood out.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 07, 2019, 06:49:42 AM
Given the ridiculous sum Leicester got for Maguire, fuck knows what value big CB's can go for.

During the World Cup, Maguire was a serious prospect for a big money transfer. Given the whole season he's had since, I would have estimated that his worth was about a third now compared to then and there's no way his value was a quarter of a billion.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 07, 2019, 07:56:42 AM
Vyner is  a rb who can play cb, suggest he is cover for logan ?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 07, 2019, 08:13:51 AM
Vyner is  a rb who can play cb, suggest he is cover for logan ?

Think on his various loans he's mainly turned out at centre back. Certainly played there all last year for Rotherham. We definitely needed cover for Logan and this guy can do it but as has been been said by LA-Don...…...certain this is more to do with the fitness (or lack of) of Taylor and especially Devlin. The Mckenna situation might also have a bearing on it, if indeed as some papers are suggesting, he isn't going to be travelling to Croatia.

EDIT...read article wrong....does indeed seem to be mainly a right back that can fill in at CH when required

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 07, 2019, 08:15:33 AM
60 games at rb 20 at cb
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 07, 2019, 08:17:23 AM
majority of games for rotherham rb
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 07, 2019, 08:56:14 AM
To be honest, we're probably more in need of right back cover when Devlin and Taylor are both fit anyway. The fact that he's played CB before means he can slot in there tomorrow night and perhaps the next couple of games. Whilst the European games are very important, we need to sign someone that's going to cover us for the whole season. Hopefully he'll be half decent. I'm not expecting much and the circumstances are a little bit beyond our control - I suspect he wouldn't have been our first choice and we'd have preferred to see who was still around post English window close. Anyway, we need someone, and he is someone.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 07, 2019, 09:12:09 AM
dont think its a bad choice we need cover for logan if he can do a job short term cb then fine, but i dont expect this as a direct mckenna  replacement, as i assume some of the transfer fee will be used to source a replacement
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 07, 2019, 10:17:18 AM
Is May off today as well?

In principal, the Vyner transfer sounds like a good one. We've been waiting for competition to Logan for a while. And given our current CB issue, if he can play there too, happy days.  I hope someone has given McKenna a clip around the ear.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on August 07, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Is May off today as well?

In principal, the Vyner transfer sounds like a good one. We've been waiting for competition to Logan for a while. And given our current CB issue, if he can play there too, happy days.  I hope someone has given McKenna a clip around the ear.

Young Ramsay is also competiton for Logan as can play right back as well as midfield.
McInnes obviously has very high hopes for him as only turned 16 at end of July and would have been registered for Europe but still just fifteen when squad had to be registered.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 07, 2019, 10:48:54 AM
ramsay played last night doubt will feature tmw
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on August 07, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
ramsay played last night doubt will feature tmw

He can't anyway as per my last post, he was too young to be registered in the squad
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 07, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
ah would help if i read it lol i dont think Mckenna will feature tmw
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 07, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Bristol City have just signed a RB called Pedro Pereira on loan for the Season, so I'd expect Vyner to be completed relatively soon.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on August 08, 2019, 12:58:03 PM
Loan signing incoming

Zak Vyner from Bristol City

Done deal and added to squad
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 08, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
I'm not convinced he's actually in Croatia. What I think has happened is that he's had the registration rushed through last night.....technically makes him available for tonight but in reality was done so to ensure he's available for the return leg next week.

 I really doubt we would have charted him a private jet and whilst I think getting him there scheduled might just be possible (albeit likely with a bit of a car journey at the other end....maybe from Split, Zagreb, Ljubljana or Trieste)...he'd be of no real use to us (wouldn't even know his team-mates names) nor have trained with us to have even a semblance of what tactics we are employing.

Squad number 33 btw

EDIT......Evening Express saying he's still in Bristol
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 08, 2019, 01:49:15 PM
EDIT......Evening Express saying he's still in Bristol

Further edit... EE talking pish! He's in Croatia.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on August 08, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
The McKenna situation notwithstanding, it's definitely been a good "close season" for signings so far. Another centre back, regardless of McKenna staying or going, would be great but that's probably wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on August 08, 2019, 05:23:19 PM
Well that's the window closed for English clubs. So it looks like Scott will be with us for at least another 6 months.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 08, 2019, 06:15:23 PM
unless celtic sign him
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on August 08, 2019, 08:56:52 PM
I don't think he would go to Celtic, I just get the feeling hes more ambitious then that.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 08, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
after tonight who knows
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 08, 2019, 09:24:57 PM
I don't think he would go to Celtic, I just get the feeling hes more ambitious then that.

I do. He's a Celtic fan.

And it's no less ambitious than joining your QPR's or Notts Forest's of the world. He would still be putting himself in the shop window for EPL clubs and might win a trophy or 6 if he went there for a couple of years.

That said...……..I hope our board have the cojones to resist any offer that comes our way from Glasgow in the next couple of weeks. It's high time we stopped being their bitches
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on August 08, 2019, 10:30:28 PM
I do. He's a Celtic fan.

I never realised that, presumed he was an Aberdeen fan since he was a local loon. Its annoying how all the decent footballers coming through seem to be OF fans.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 08, 2019, 11:00:28 PM
need another winger wright is a fraud and mcginns legs are away
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 08, 2019, 11:57:42 PM
Wright did ok at Dundee in his loan there. That's his level. Too many of our support view him through rose tinted specs as he's a local loon and they want him to do well. But he just hasn't got the attributes to be effective at the very top level in Scotland. He should be allowed to go for free right now if he can fix himself up elsewhere.

McGinn I don't think should have started tonight. Not in that heat at his age. He's getting more game time than expected, probably partially to do with the lack of availability of Bryson.

Will be interesting to see if Vyner gets a crack on Sunday or stays on the bench (and if he does get started....will it be at right back or right central defence)

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on August 09, 2019, 07:38:59 PM
I never realised that, presumed he was an Aberdeen fan since he was a local loon. Its annoying how all the decent footballers coming through seem to be OF fans.


Kirriemuir hardly qualifies him as a 'local loon'  DtD :eek:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tom_widdows on August 09, 2019, 10:39:03 PM
Perhaps it should be changed to 'it's annoying how many people seem to be OF fans'

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: DantheDon on August 10, 2019, 04:58:25 AM
Kirriemuir hardly qualifies him as a 'local loon'  DtD :eek:

Must be getting confused with someone else I thought he was from here. Still Kirriemuir is a lot closer to Aberdeen then it is Glasgow.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on August 13, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
Wright did ok at Dundee in his loan there. That's his level. Too many of our support view him through rose tinted specs as he's a local loon and they want him to do well. But he just hasn't got the attributes to be effective at the very top level in Scotland. He should be allowed to go for free right now if he can fix himself up elsewhere.

McGinn I don't think should have started tonight. Not in that heat at his age. He's getting more game time than expected, probably partially to do with the lack of availability of Bryson.

Will be interesting to see if Vyner gets a crack on Sunday or stays on the bench (and if he does get started....will it be at right back or right central defence)


It wasn't particularly hot. Once the sun went down the conditions for football were pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 17, 2019, 09:36:17 PM
Neil Lennon said today after their game that there is a possibility there will be another addition to their squad, ahead of their Europa League game, but he said the player in question will be Cup-Tied, now of course that could literally mean any player from any squad that has already played in the Competition this season so far, but the murmurings are that it is Scott McKenna.

IF that is the case, I would hope we get a respectable fee, and I probably would take Hendry as part of the deal, purely because Devlin seems to be a bit of a crock, so no harm having another CB, who knows the League, as cover/for rotational purposes.

See what happens.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 17, 2019, 09:53:02 PM
Hendry!?! Fuck that. I'd rather the cash. One of the worst footballers around.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Slim on August 18, 2019, 02:57:56 AM
More likely to be the Killie left back I would think.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 18, 2019, 09:43:10 AM
Hendry!?! Fuck that. I'd rather the cash. One of the worst footballers around.

Is the correct answer.

£5million cash upfront or they can fuck right off
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on August 18, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
More likely to be the Killie left back I would think.

Would think Greg Taylor is probably who they are trying to get however if it is McKenna it should be cash up front only deal. Then use some of that to buy Jason Kerr from St J.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: baggy89 on August 18, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
Hendry!?! Fuck that. I'd rather the cash. One of the worst footballers around.

THIS X 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on August 18, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
It's Rosenborg's left back apparently.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on August 19, 2019, 09:25:34 AM
Neil Lennon said today after their game that there is a possibility there will be another addition to their squad, ahead of their Europa League game, but he said the player in question will be Cup-Tied, now of course that could literally mean any player from any squad that has already played in the Competition this season so far, but the murmurings are that it is Scott McKenna.

IF that is the case, I would hope we get a respectable fee, and I probably would take Hendry as part of the deal, purely because Devlin seems to be a bit of a crock, so no harm having another CB, who knows the League, as cover/for rotational purposes.

See what happens.


If this is the case we might as well just fucking pack it in now.  :(
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 19, 2019, 10:06:25 AM
For fuck sake  :rofl:

He seems less popular than Efe Ambrose. Imagine that, a solid duo at the back in Hendry & Ambrose, our " goals conceded " would dramatically improve.

Seriously though, I don't really remember much of Hendry, was he that bad? Perhaps I am clutching at straws, given our current predicament on the park.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 19, 2019, 10:19:46 AM
For fuck sake  :rofl:

He seems less popular than Efe Ambrose. Imagine that, a solid duo at the back in Hendry & Ambrose, our " goals conceded " would dramatically improve.

Seriously though, I don't really remember much of Hendry, was he that bad? Perhaps I am clutching at straws, given our current predicament on the park.

Celtic fans would drive him to us. Yes, he's that bad.  I'd much rather Ambrose if you offering either of them.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on August 19, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
For fuck sake  :rofl:

He seems less popular than Efe Ambrose. Imagine that, a solid duo at the back in Hendry & Ambrose, our " goals conceded " would dramatically improve.

Seriously though, I don't really remember much of Hendry, was he that bad? Perhaps I am clutching at straws, given our current predicament on the park.


He makes Gash look like Maldini!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 20, 2019, 04:22:18 PM
Did I miss any hints from DM of late that we are not finished in the transfer market? DM saw the need for Maddison and Christie and brought them in, surely he sees the news now for a similar player.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on August 20, 2019, 08:34:54 PM
Did I miss any hints from DM of late that we are not finished in the transfer market? DM saw the need for Maddison and Christie and brought them in, surely he sees the news now for a similar player.

Only thing I have seen was article in the Retard suggesting we were looking to move players out permanently , May and Gleeson, and some young players out on loan. No mention of any players coming in. No quotes in the article so probably just standard Rrtard shite.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 20, 2019, 09:37:36 PM
Only thing I have seen was article in the Retard suggesting we were looking to move players out permanently , May and Gleeson, and some young players out on loan. No mention of any players coming in. No quotes in the article so probably just standard Rrtard shite.

And I don't think the retard are basing that on any concrete evidence in Gleeson's case other than he has been missing due to his injury. If Ojo keeps up his general shiteness over the next few weeks I think Gleeson might well be viewed as a valid alternative.

Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on August 23, 2019, 09:47:31 PM
Scott Wright being linked with a move to Ipswich or Sunderland. Apologies in advance for the link.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4639953/sunderland-and-ipswich-in-transfer-chase-for-aberdeen-star-scott-wright/
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 23, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
Scott Wright being linked with a move to Ipswich or Sunderland. Apologies in advance for the link.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4639953/sunderland-and-ipswich-in-transfer-chase-for-aberdeen-star-scott-wright/

Would take any money for him. Don't rate him and the manager doesn't appear to know how to use him either.  Best for all parties if he moves on.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 23, 2019, 10:47:45 PM
£500k and I'll chauffeur him personally.

Can only imagine they're going on his Dundee form last season. His form with us generally is one good game, four shite games and 5 totally anonymous games for every 10 he plays.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 24, 2019, 12:12:56 AM
What if Wright was given the minutes in the central attacking midfield role equivalent to what we gave Cosgrove last year? Did he score before November yet we stuck with him? Wright isn’t consistent but has he been given a fair number of consistent and consecutive starts? Much like Shankland, we’ll never know.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 26, 2019, 01:58:33 PM
Stevie May to St Johnstone is back on apparently. Just dawned on me that he's not been in the squad at all since the Hearts game.

Also, I know McInnes has said there will be no more incoming players, but I am extremely hopeful that isn't the case, I really think we require another midfielder, possibly another Centre Half as well, just in case Taylor & Devlin are out longer than initially let on.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 26, 2019, 03:23:51 PM
Stevie May to St Johnstone is back on apparently. Just dawned on me that he's not been in the squad at all since the Hearts game.

Also, I know McInnes has said there will be no more incoming players, but I am extremely hopeful that isn't the case, I really think we require another midfielder, possibly another Centre Half as well, just in case Taylor & Devlin are out longer than initially let on.

I don't think we need another centre half. If we've got Considine, McKenna, Vyner, Devlin and Taylor that should cover it. If the midfielder is an attacking midfielder, then I agree we need to get someone in that role. Failing that, a better wide player. However, I think we're short on quality more generally again. Lowe is a huge loss, we've got nobody being the captain in the centre of midfield and May, Main, Wilson, Wright and possibly McLennan aren't good enough to regularly produce anything of note in the forward areas. Unsure about Gallagher and Bryson so far. We need a player in the forward areas that is really going to be a first name on the teamsheet (like Cosgrove is at the minute). The ones above are all just filler really.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 26, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
dm has fucked himself due to very poor acquisitions (fees) last few seasons he has emptied the coffers with very little return
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 26, 2019, 09:08:03 PM
dm has fucked himself due to very poor acquisitions (fees) last few seasons he has emptied the coffers with very little return

Aye, with emphasis on the last few seasons like. He's basically been playing catch up for two years on his own poor signings since May-day. He might actually hit his targets for signings this season (50% return - I'm guessing), however when you still have May and Gleeson on the books and with little sign of any new youth development, it makes it very hard to get a competent squad resilient to injury. With that in mind, he clearly made some "safe" purchases in Taylor, Main and Wilson. It's here that I have the issue. These signings should have been made now when we'd seen how good our main (not Main) signings got on. Had we seen the current crop, I think we'd have been looking for a better striker than Main and Wilson with Anderson as backup if needed. Similarly, defensively, we'd probably be looking for a better centre half than Taylor with Devlin missing again. McInnes has taken the cautious approach of getting numbers in and, now we have numbers, we realise they're shite.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 26, 2019, 09:20:32 PM
We need a striker, a right back, an attacking mid (or 10) and a winger imo.

We're not going to get any of that, despite the creative players absolute urgency.  It's hard to see how we're going to score this season after what seemed to be a promising start.  My Killie mate thought they'd actually finish above us  :rofl:

Previous seasons have come to bite him (DM). Big time.

Edit: Agree with you Rico, apparent safe signings are what has killed this team.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 26, 2019, 11:28:23 PM
When you look at it our major signings over the last few years have been GMS, May, Stewart, Devlin, Forrester, and Gleeson, and I suppose Christie and Wilson on loan. That’s a lot of money. What do we have to show for that? I was excited for most if not all but most have been useless if you ask me. What has killed us is we failed to replace Barry Robson, Flood, Hayes, McLean, and McGinn is a shadow of his former self. Sam is limited but would probably have thrived with the service Rooney got.

Pretty depressing stuff at the moment. In my eyes we have one good and consistent player, Lewis.

Leigh isn’t as strong as Lowe but isn’t bad, very disappointed how central defense has played out, relying on Considine who is shite, slow, and gifts goals and free kicks, but probably our most consistent defender. Plus another year where our right back is Logan who is clearly on the decline and has been a while. Ferguson is solid in the middle of the park but is being way over played, being given far too much responsibility, and still plays like a spoiled child. DM will burn him out. I rate Ojo but from what I read he wasn’t interested at Scunthorpe when things went shit there, and I expect the same here. Bryson too early to judge but nothing impressive so far....but he’s not fit. Wright and McLennan are nothing special, zero consistency like GMS, while McGinn is on a steady decline too and isn’t a winger now, should be #10 but DM will continue playing him wide with the hope of days gone by. I like Hedges, no clue why he didn’t play at Killie. Vyner looks like Ash. Solid at times but a bombscare at any moment. May is crap, Main very poor, Anderson won’t be given a chance like Shankland, fuck knows about Wilson, no clue why we signed him. I think he’s better than Cosgrove but stuck wide he’s poor. Gallagher works hard and was terrific first game, but very mediocre since against better opponents.

Oh, and we just threw a three year contract at the clown. Geez.

I’ll finish with a question, have many of DMs signings have excelled/exceed expectations?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 27, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
I’ll finish with a question, have many of DMs signings have excelled/exceed expectations?

Quite a few over the years. Robson, Rooney, McLean, Logan, Lewis, Cosgrove, Lowe, Maddison, Christie, Shinnie off the top of my head.

I think it misses the point slightly though. It's a bit like youth development in many ways. You only really need one or two of your signings to excel in any given season. The rest you just need to form a part of the first 11 or, at worst, good squad material (O'Connor, Ball, May etc). As long as you can keep your core first team at an above average level, then supplement with one or two good signings to replace those that leave and hope to promote one good youth team player and one above average youth team player every year. If you can keep that in/outflow relatively stable then you're fine. Over the last three years, McInnes has made key mistakes in signing May, Gleeson, Forrester and - in my opinion (so far) - Wilson this season (I'll keep my powder dry on the rest of the signings, but at the moment I'm thinking Hedges will be the only one worth holding onto and maybe Ojo). Currently, we're having to make up our first team with guys that we can only hope will be good enough as our outflows have been far greater than our inflows as we (McInnes) let things slide for two years running. That should have been made up with by making more signings later in the window. Instead, we made those signings early in the window, locking ourselves into the hope that Gallagher, Ojo, Bryson, Hedges and Leigh will be good enough. In my opinion, what McInnes thought was a cautious and safe strategy of signing Main, Wilson and Taylor nice and early to ensure our squad remained no less than average, will actually turn out to bite him on the airse as he doesn't have the budget to get himself out of a hole.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 27, 2019, 11:25:09 AM
I wasn't aware that Bryson was Injured for 4 Months previously to joining us. That's a fair chunk to miss, especially for someone getting on a bit in their career.

I have zero doubt, and I know I said the same about Gleeson ( Might still come good if afforded the opportunity! ) that Bryson will come good, zero doubt. He was highly regarded even last season, when playing, and they wanted to keep him, he has vast experience and has made large contributions to a Derby team that always flirted with promotion, he's an excellent Midfielder, sadly, and he said it himself after the Killie game, he was rushed back and ended up picking up another Injury.

I also think the likes of Bryson & Gleeson would help Ferguson tremendously, barring the first couple of games this season, I think Ferguson is hugely overrated, people take on board an overhead kick against Burnley & Livingston and a header against Rangers, forgetting that he was one of the poorer players on the pitch in these games, he's never stood out, he's never had an " Excellent " game yet he's lauded as one of the best prospects in Scottish Football, don't see it myself, but there you go, opinions and all that.  He could absolutely learn from guys like Bryson & Gleeson.

I do think we need another Centre Half, in terms of Wingers, Hedges is a Winger, but he appears to be coming deep, centrally, to get the ball, much like the Kenny McLean role, and that's wrong, he should be wide, McLennan definitely has potential, he needs a run of games though, can't be in and out of the team, needs to be playing, Wilson is not a winger, he's a Centre Forward, that's where he should be playing, or even just off Cosgrove, but centrally, that is the important part, he's not a wide player. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 27, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
playing players out of position seems to be a trait, I dont get it , nor do most of us..
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 27, 2019, 01:58:42 PM
playing players out of position seems to be a trait, I dont get it , nor do most of us..

It's obvious though isn't it? It's to accomodate. In my mind, Wilson doesn't play because Cosgrove is much better. If Cosgrove goes to Man City, gets injured, has a dip in form or needs rested then Wilson comes in. When Cosgrove tires and we're two goals up, then Wilson comes on. That means Wilson spending a lot of time on the bench, so McInnes decides to try him out elsewhere - I wouldn't. It's not specific to McInnes either, all managers trying to balance squads do it. Heckingbottom was getting hassled for playing Allan out wide this season. McInnes wants to appease guys like Bryson and Ferguson by playing them every week, which means the no 10 role isn't freed up for Wilson, or Hedges, or Wright, or McGinn. It's all a bit of a juggle really. The difference between us and the Tims - for example - is that their players can do a job in the SPL in multiple positions. McGinn can play across the front 3 and I suspect Hedges can too, but the others struggle to and McInnes expect it of him. I mentioned last season that Steve Clarke was very good at getting players to play a single role very well and that's how he managed to get Killie to where they were. McInnes doesn't do that. He expects his foward players to be able to play across the positions and regularly changes them throughout games (I don't believe that Wilson didn't play through the middle at times against Killie, but I didn't see it). To me, it's hugely detrimental as players like Wright struggle with that chopping and changing. In my opinion, you need to get a player playing well in one role by giving them an extended run there before attempting to switch them back and forth. Get them confident in the league they're playing first. Wilson is obviously an exception to that as he was given a run at centre forward for 9 consecutive games last season and he was pish - which is why I don't think we should have signed him again. Wright, McLennan, Stewart etc are/weren't given that without moving them about throughout games.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 27, 2019, 02:15:18 PM
Quite a few over the years. Robson, Rooney, McLean, Logan, Lewis, Cosgrove, Lowe, Maddison, Christie, Shinnie off the top of my head.

I think it misses the point slightly though. It's a bit like youth development in many ways. You only really need one or two of your signings to excel in any given season. The rest you just need to form a part of the first 11 or, at worst, good squad material (O'Connor, Ball, May etc). As long as you can keep your core first team at an above average level, then supplement with one or two good signings to replace those that leave and hope to promote one good youth team player and one above average youth team player every year. If you can keep that in/outflow relatively stable then you're fine. Over the last three years, McInnes has made key mistakes in signing May, Gleeson, Forrester and - in my opinion (so far) - Wilson this season (I'll keep my powder dry on the rest of the signings, but at the moment I'm thinking Hedges will be the only one worth holding onto and maybe Ojo). Currently, we're having to make up our first team with guys that we can only hope will be good enough as our outflows have been far greater than our inflows as we (McInnes) let things slide for two years running. That should have been made up with by making more signings later in the window. Instead, we made those signings early in the window, locking ourselves into the hope that Gallagher, Ojo, Bryson, Hedges and Leigh will be good enough. In my opinion, what McInnes thought was a cautious and safe strategy of signing Main, Wilson and Taylor nice and early to ensure our squad remained no less than average, will actually turn out to bite him on the airse as he doesn't have the budget to get himself out of a hole.

You are missing my point so I’ll reword/clarify. We’ve spent a ton of money on underwhelming players, those who failed to live up to expectation. How many have exceeded expectation? I’d agree Lewis, Logan, Lowe, Cosgrove, and Rooney. Shinnie was what we expected, as was Robson solid but a declining good player, Christie a known quality too. McLean underachieved, last six months he was fantastic but we rarely saw that and more often than not should have been dropped. Maddison didn’t play much, stood out on occasion, but struggled with a physical league. We spend the third most money in the league but don’t spend well, or more appropriately, can’t get the best out of players consistently.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 27, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
You are missing my point so I’ll reword/clarify. We’ve spent a ton of money on underwhelming players, those who failed to live up to expectation. How many have exceeded expectation? I’d agree Lewis, Logan, Lowe, Cosgrove, and Rooney. Shinnie was what we expected, as was Robson solid but a declining good player, Christie a known quality too. McLean underachieved, last six months he was fantastic but we rarely saw that and more often than not should have been dropped. Maddison didn’t play much, stood out on occasion, but struggled with a physical league. We spend the third most money in the league but don’t spend well, or more appropriately, can’t get the best out of players consistently.

I got your point, I think. I disagree about McLean, his entire final season was excellent and he had a couple of 6 months spells where he was good in prior seasons (from when he displaced Maddison and the start of the previous Rijeka season). Anyway, semantics on that one. What I was saying is that a lot of players are not bought to be the marquee signing, they are bought to be good first teamers or squad players to allow us to finish third. I actually think we've done reasonably well in the last couple of seasons in terms of getting points on the board with a very average squad. I actually think that our squad was similar to that of Hibs last season (and definitely the one before). We were probably about two players ahead of them in terms of player budget, but our awful recruitment mostly nullified that gap (as can happen when you have teams so close to one another in budget, which is what makes a league without the scum quite appealing). I'd argue that guys like Taylor, Flood, Ball, O'Connor etc exceded expectations in their one way, because we expected significantly worse but they turned out to be regulars who helped us finish 2nd or 3rd. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 27, 2019, 04:37:56 PM
give  we paid a fee for mclean and he had being playing very well for st mirren i guess he met expectations, but maybe thats semantics... i see anderson has scored another hat trick today



Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 27, 2019, 05:04:40 PM
I got your point, I think. I disagree about McLean, his entire final season was excellent and he had a couple of 6 months spells where he was good in prior seasons (from when he displaced Maddison and the start of the previous Rijeka season). Anyway, semantics on that one. What I was saying is that a lot of players are not bought to be the marquee signing, they are bought to be good first teamers or squad players to allow us to finish third. I actually think we've done reasonably well in the last couple of seasons in terms of getting points on the board with a very average squad. I actually think that our squad was similar to that of Hibs last season (and definitely the one before). We were probably about two players ahead of them in terms of player budget, but our awful recruitment mostly nullified that gap (as can happen when you have teams so close to one another in budget, which is what makes a league without the scum quite appealing). I'd argue that guys like Taylor, Flood, Ball, O'Connor etc exceded expectations in their one way, because we expected significantly worse but they turned out to be regulars who helped us finish 2nd or 3rd.

Your point is that the production of the role players has up until now been good and I'd agree with that. My point is that the star players/stronger players are relied upon to be good every week, that is why they make the big bucks. Strong teams have consistent starters and strong role players. Our role players are declining but it's our star players that are disappearing, and where DM has failed in signing/replacing in recent years. The only player now that appears consistently good is Joe Lewis. Who are our stars?? McKenna appears in decline of late (maybe harsh but not progressing), Cosgrove is hit and miss, McGinn is fading, Logan steadily declining, Ferguson hot/cold..... it's worrying.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: SeeBass on August 28, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
I've heard from a fellow Dandy that Johnny Hayes is about to be released by Celtic. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 29, 2019, 12:27:31 AM
I've heard from a fellow Dandy that Johnny Hayes is about to be released by Celtic.

I hope you aren't suggesting that we sign him if they do...…


Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on August 29, 2019, 02:06:57 AM
I hope you aren't suggesting that we sign him if they do...…


It has a DM signing written all over it  :(
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2019, 08:26:24 AM
He's an excellent player and professional. I'd have him an a heart beat. Simply because he's better than most of our other wide players.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on August 29, 2019, 10:15:19 AM
He's an excellent player and professional. I'd have him an a heart beat. Simply because he's better than most of our other wide players.

Completely agree.

Is he as good as he was? Probably not. Better than what we have? Absolutely. I'd happily take him.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 29, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
sign hayes and anya also
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 29, 2019, 12:35:45 PM
Completely agree.

Is he as good as he was? Probably not. Better than what we have? Absolutely. I'd happily take him.

And also on nearly treble what we were paying him before he left. Not good value for money unless Celtic were heavily subsidising the deal. I hope we steer clear.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: BigAl on August 29, 2019, 12:57:37 PM
And also on nearly treble what we were paying him before he left. Not good value for money unless Celtic were heavily subsidising the deal. I hope we steer clear.

It's a NO from me
Too old and certainly doesn't represent the future for us.
Wouldn't be happy to make him one of our higher earners
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Tyrant on August 29, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
And also on nearly treble what we were paying him before he left. Not good value for money unless Celtic were heavily subsidising the deal. I hope we steer clear.


He'd obviously have to be willing to slot back into the wage structure that he is fully aware of.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Stewart on August 29, 2019, 06:36:52 PM
May signed for St Johnstone.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 29, 2019, 06:56:38 PM
I'd say based on observation Hayes would be as good, if not most likely better, than Wright, McLennan, Gallagher, and McGinn. I like Hedges but the rest are far too inconsistent and even Hedges is somewhat unknown. You could argue Wright and McLennan need to grow but DM doesn't really develop youth so we can't assume he will with these two. If he's affordable why not, plus can play left back too.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on August 29, 2019, 07:24:40 PM
If Hayes is available we should absolutely be in for him. I’d also be having a word with James Morrison and Alan Hutton!
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 29, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
If Hayes is available we should absolutely be in for him. I’d also be having a word with James Morrison and Alan Hutton!

And we could also see if Saga Holidays would be willing to be our new shirt sponsor?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on August 29, 2019, 08:57:03 PM
And we could also see if Saga Holidays would be willing to be our new shirt sponsor?

If they're a better sponsor than the one we currently have...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 30, 2019, 08:23:13 AM
the worst pound for pound signing in recent afc history off to st johnstone, what a waste of money
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 30, 2019, 09:17:12 AM
the worst pound for pound signing in recent afc history off to st johnstone, what a waste of money

That was Forrester without a shadow of a doubt. At least every time May took the field he tried his guts out. And despite his personal lack of goals, I still contend that his partnership with Cosgrove worked well. We haven't seen enough of Main to write him off completely as yet but from what we have seen so far, I'd rather we hadn't signed him and persevered with using May when required.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 30, 2019, 09:38:57 AM
we spent what 400k on May was probably on a very good contract , got 2 years of wages and we have given him a bung to leave, for a return of 7 goals in that time its a way more expensive mistake than forrester, which again was an incredibly poor piece of business
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 30, 2019, 09:42:15 AM
all in forrester + may and including transfers wages and pay off DM has cost us what nearly 1m , that is not money we can afford to waste and frankly incredible the board isnt scrutinising this
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 30, 2019, 01:54:25 PM
some chatter on twitter gleeson away .. another 100k plus wasted
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on August 30, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
Also chatter on twitter that we are trying to take in a loanee from Chelsea. :dunno:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on August 30, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Also chatter on twitter that we are trying to take in a loanee from Chelsea. :dunno:

Wonder if DM thinks Christian Pulisic will be good enough for us though??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 31, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
It might be a good thing, Lampard & Jody Morris going to Chelsea, in terms of Loans. Whilst we'd all prefer permanent signings, the odd loan wouldn't hurt and in fact, has proved to be a success for us ( Ward, Hector, Maddison, Lowe etc... )

McInnes is very close to Morris & Lampard and I've no doubt they'll have been in communication regarding loan players already, Billy Gilmour is the name I have seen bandied about, he's either a CM or a CAM, never seen him but fairly certain that's where he plays.



Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 31, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Yep it's Gilmour that I've heard too. I suspect he would be vying for a place with either Ferguson or Bryson. You would have to assume that Chelsea would stipulate he has to play a certain percentage of game time as part of the loan agreement so one of our players isn't going to be a happy camper.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: wee toon red on August 31, 2019, 12:30:33 PM
Gilmour has the potential to be a great signing. Can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on August 31, 2019, 12:32:58 PM
He's a massive hun too
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 31, 2019, 10:35:49 PM
He also made an appearance for Chelsea today from the bench, either having a look at him in a competitive game or he's just trained really well and they're going with youth this season.

Be interesting to see how it develops, whichever player it might be. Hector being there too, hopefully putting in a good word for us.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on August 31, 2019, 11:33:55 PM
Saw a picture of him coming on standing next to Abraham. Looked like a midget, similar tiny legs as John Spencer had.

Guessing the Chelsea loanee rumours are just that then.

Preparing to be totally underwhelmed tomorrow as the transfer window shuts. Celtic will get a decent left back in Taylor. Sevco will try to get Kent (not saying they'll succeed). We will likely get sweet FA. Although sweet FA is infinitely preferable to the other name linked with us (Ikechi f@ckin Anya  :hammer:)
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on September 01, 2019, 01:44:37 AM
Dm already said no more business in his post match presser did he not?
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on September 01, 2019, 02:16:31 AM
Dm already said no more business in his post match presser did he not?

He also said that Cosgrove was missing the Rijeka game!

Probably won't be any more additions the more I think about it though, we had a relatively strong bench today, and McKenna, Taylor & Logan are still to come back, so hard to see who would be dropped from that bench as well as the aforementioned trio.

Was really hoping for another attacking Midfielder in all honesty. But if Bryson gets fit, which looks like he is, we saw it in flashes again today, in where he took some nice touches and looked to get the ball forward as quickly as possible, then perhaps we don't require one.

Perhaps if Anderson & Wright got sent out on loan, with May having left already, we may see another addition.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on September 01, 2019, 05:22:34 AM
We need a creative attacking mid but in DMs eyes we have hedges mcginn Gallagher Ferguson Wilson and Wright all ‘capable’ of playing there. Don’t see any signings happen unfortunately.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: A llad insane on September 01, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
Looking at the subs warming up at half time,  Gallagher,Anderson,Wilson,McLennan, & Main  all attacking players ? Just aswell no defenders got injured :eek:
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: manc_don on September 18, 2019, 09:00:13 PM
Seems like Hoban is on his way back for rehab. No doubting his ability, just can't help but think that we won't see him play.  No harm letting him back for rehab though. Be great if it worked out.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on September 18, 2019, 10:48:23 PM
Given that the injury happened during his time with us, its certainly the right thing to do to help him in any way we can with his rehabilitation.

Still think it is a bit of a long shot that he will recover to an extent that allows him to play football at the top level again, given that he's now done both knees in but there was no doubt when he played that he was a class act so fingers crossed he does.

Can possibly see him getting a "pay as you play" deal for the second half of the season which would probably suit both sides......but I reiterate. I think it's more likely he will sadly prove to be unable to resume a professional career at the top level again.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on September 19, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
No doubt in my mind that if he gets back to full fitness and does agree a deal here, he'd instantly be our best CB. I sincerely hope that everything works out for the guy.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Jute on September 19, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
Don't doubt Hoban is a good player but has now done the cruciate in both knees, had surgery on his shoulder and ankles in the last few years I just do not think he is worth wasting a squad place on. Even on a pay as you play type deal. 
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: LA-Don on September 19, 2019, 02:32:59 PM
James Morrison is still a free agent, would you??
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: tlg1903 on September 19, 2019, 03:10:42 PM
Well he's the type of player we lack.  Central attacking midfielder that can take the ball and move it forward even under pressure. If he wasn't wanting a huge wedge then he's defo worth consideration.
Title: Re: Season 2019/2020 Rebuilding
Post by: Ten Caat on September 19, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
James Morrison is still a free agent, would you??


I'd imagine he would (under normal circumstances) be well out of our price range. However either he has had no interest so far, or he's turned down moves he doesn't fancy/don't pay enough. He will have earnt enough at WBA to ensure he never has to work again if he doesn't want to so I suspect the question would be more "Would he?"

Not sure he'd fancy uprooting from The Midlands to a northern outpost to earn a quarter of what he's used to. Anyway right now it's a holding midfielder we need more than anything. Not likely to see Ojo before Xmas and Campbell himself is only just returning from injury.