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Title: January window
Post by: LA-Don on October 21, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
I figured it’s about time to start this. I think there’s a very good chance that come January we’re bottom six and lost a cup semi. I’m expecting McKenna to be sold plus I do see both Shinnie and GMS moving on, possibly Shinnie doing a McLean returning on loan but I see GMS moving if we can get some cash. With Ross, Wright, McGinn, and McLelland, DM will see us as having ample cover.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Gleeson and or Forrester punted too, those two haven’t worked out. Tough to argue otherwise. Tansey too. Honestly, the squad needs an overhaul, happy to see the young boys given a run and save any money from exports in January for transfers in the summer.

Think we’re also due an offer or two for Joe Lewis. Wouldn’t be surprised to see that in the winter window.

Sad to say that i’m writing this season off, shame since Devlin is an excellent signing, what I wouldn’t have given for a player like him over the last few years. Would be happy to see the manager go too, things are stale and we’re going in the wrong direction both in performance and league position. Yesterday, with Wilson stuck in the Rooney wide left role, emphasized that we need fresh ideas and someone with a different set of contacts in the transfer market. DM, it was good while it lasted, but we’re going nowhere fast by the looks of things.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on October 21, 2018, 10:00:08 AM
Everyone seems to give Shinnie an easy ride on here (and other forums) and there can be no question of his obvious committment to the club. No sign of him signing a new contract as yet and it might be he is thinking of a new challenge. But he has definitely not been the Shinnie of old this season and in 2 or 3 games, including yesterday, been utter shite. His performances the past 4 seasons showed he could certainly do a job in the English Championship but on this season's showings so far he aint going to get an offer from there. A League 1 side could easily match and probably beat any pay offer that we could put on the table so unless he ups his game it's going to come down to a similar scenario that big Gash found himself in 18 months ago....sign on again with us and play at a higher level or go to a MK Dons or similar and earn £3-5K per week more but play at a shyte level.

GMS i think will stay eventually. Logan....hmmm. Hasn't been great (to put it mildly) for over a season now. i think we need an upgrade asap. Will see the season out but expect to see him sign a pre contract with a club in the Manchester vicinity....Bury or the the likes.

Forrester I can see getting punted in January probably writing off the fee that we paid. Gleeson I think will stay till at least the summer. I don't think he is up to much but will be useful covering for injuries and is certainly good enough to start in games against the bottom 4 or 5 if required. He will get frustrated at his limited game time and will probably leave in the summer.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 21, 2018, 10:05:43 AM
But he has definitely not been the Shinnie of old this season and in 2 or 3 games, including yesterday, been utter shite.

He was shite yesterday but it's not just this season. He was totally ineffective for the vast majority of games in the last couple of months of last season. The last game of the season was an exception but let's face it, they didn't want to win, were happy for us to overtake the new club at the other side of the city and had nothing to play for.

Shinnie is yet another example of a potentially very good footballer who has been allowed to go backwards under the charlatan that is McInnes.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on October 21, 2018, 06:06:44 PM
He appears to be a game of two halves of late, if that makes sense. He often is invisisble one half, then more like himself in the other. Yesterday was a prime example, in the 1st half, he was literally anonymous, Ball, for as gash as he was also, could have been mistaken for our captain in the sense that he was furious with himself and his teammates and was showing it, whereas Shinnie was too busy taking the huff at the ref's decision making.

2nd half though, he was much better, he was getting stuck in, driving with the ball and more vocal and noticeable, that's what I would expect of a captain.

Absolutely agree with Rocket here, it's another example of the manager failing a player. Shinnie is clearly a talent, but we need a consistent 90 minutes from him each week, otherwise he should not be exempt from criticism, even the Hibs cup game more recently, he was largely anonymous for the 90 minutes, but in extra time he was brilliant. Really hoping he does sign a new contract, but wouldn't be surprised if he left for England, I am sure there will be suitors.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on October 21, 2018, 06:54:12 PM
Shinnie and Ball being our current first choice centre midfield pairing is a huge part of our problems.

Shinnie plays centre midfield like a left back. As a left back, everything is in front of you and that's exactly how Shinnie plays centre mid, but in the centre of the park you have to know when to put your foot on the ball and hold the play, which he pretty much never does.

That wouldn't be too much of an issue if there was a better footballer beside him, but Ball, for all that he's ok, is just ok and that's all he's ever going to be.

The quality in the centre of the pitch is hugely lacking. Ferguson is going to be a great player I think, but he's young and he needs time and will need a rest from time to time.

When you look at the centre forward being Cosgrove, added to that centre midfield pairing, does anyone really think that is remotely good enough?

McInnes, after the Scottish Cup Semi Final last season admitted his transfer dealings for that season hadn't been good enough.  A brave thing for a manager to publicly admit. But he was correct.  I would have hoped that would have spurred him on to better this summer; Gleeson and Forester have been pretty awful, Hobban injured - not much the manager can do about that, but the player's injury history should tell us it wasn't a surprise - Ball, a player who wasn't even getting off the bench (or on it) for a huge part of last season was brought back in and is now a starter.

Ferguson and Devlin have proven to be good signings and I'm sure they will continue to do so.  But on the whole, the recruitment has been tipping on the poor side too much in the past two years and when you're bringing in poorer players there's only one way the side is going.  I don't trust McInnes with a transfer budget now, particularly given that he's signed players for cash who have been utterly root. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on October 21, 2018, 07:06:02 PM
Agree with Bobby, we had glaring squad deficiencies in central defense, central mid, and center forward, the spine and most crucial parts of the team. Only Devlin has been a success, Ferguson was one for the future but plays week in week out rather than a squad player with the occasional start due to the failures of Forrester and Gleason.

Would you give DM funds if we sell McKenna in January?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on October 21, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
wouldnt trust mcinnes with transfer kitty he has a 1 in 4 success rate
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on October 21, 2018, 10:44:15 PM
Id rather we saved any cash from a McKenna sale till summer. I know we would need a replacement for him but as things stand we are so far behind in the League already that this season is pretty much a write off. We would pay inflated prices in January so I'd rather we either got players on pre-contracts or waited till summer when another rebuild will be necessary anyway (Wilson, Ball definitely gone; Forrester, Gleeson, Logan probably gone; Shinnie, GMS who knows?)

I'd have no problem giving him up to £200k or so to get in a back up centre half to Devlin/Consi as cover.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on October 22, 2018, 03:05:25 AM
Id rather we saved any cash from a McKenna sale till summer. I know we would need a replacement for him but as things stand we are so far behind in the League already that this season is pretty much a write off. We would pay inflated prices in January so I'd rather we either got players on pre-contracts or waited till summer when another rebuild will be necessary anyway (Wilson, Ball definitely gone; Forrester, Gleeson, Logan probably gone; Shinnie, GMS who knows?)

I'd have no problem giving him up to £200k or so to get in a back up centre half to Devlin/Consi as cover.

I expect McKenna to go but I wouldn’t give him a penny and would try to force the sale of Gleeson Tansey and Forrester, plus Shinnie and GMS if they don’t sign a contract. We won’t lose all 5 in January but i’d Insist youngsters are given the chance, nothing to lose. We won’t make Europe and won’t get relegated, what do we have to lose.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on October 22, 2018, 03:32:44 AM
I expect McKenna to go but I wouldn’t give him a penny and would try to force the sale of Gleeson Tansey and Forrester, plus Shinnie and GMS if they don’t sign a contract. We won’t lose all 5 in January but i’d Insist youngsters are given the chance, nothing to lose. We won’t make Europe and won’t get relegated, what do we have to lose.

Agreed, I wouldn't trust McInnes with a penny.  The transfers he's spent money on , have all been by and large, pish. McLean being the odd one but even then he flattered to deceive for the majority of games.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ramperbamper on October 22, 2018, 10:58:09 AM
wouldnt trust mcinnes with transfer kitty he has a 1 in 4 success rate

Going by that logic, is a mainstay of the team for years Rooney or a McLean negated by a Monakana or Parker who were cheap, short term squad filler, and who were papped as soon as it became apparent they were shite?

Can't disagree that the transfers where we've spent funds on haven't worked out recently though.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on October 23, 2018, 11:21:20 AM
The initial point is fair if the prime signings are so good that the fillers are indeed fillers, then why sign them at all ?

However what appears to be happening is that the 'prime' signings and the fillers are merging so what we appear to have done is sign less quality overall.

That being said 1 in 4 is an overall statement, but its probably on a downward trend, 15 players were brought in season 17/18, am struggling to pick anyone else than GMS who signifcantly improved the team that season.. Devlin was recruited but will count him for next season.

8 have came in this season again , Ferguson aside( i think he is starting to regress, not his fault) so add Devlin , so in 2 seasons 23 players brought in 3 have 'improved' us .


Thats isnt good enough
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on November 25, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
Social Media Klaxon! Rumours abound that Leeds Utd want both Joe Lewis & Graeme Shinnie. Will try and find out from that Alan Nixon Journo, he's usually on the money with these.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: the real rumpus on November 25, 2018, 03:15:06 PM
Need to be looking at getting Hayes back on loan or Shankland from Ayr
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on November 25, 2018, 04:04:37 PM
Need to be looking at getting Hayes back on loan or Shankland from Ayr

Not for me. Hayes now 31.....32 next summer and will be on wages that we would struggle to match and would have no residual value. Has hardly played in all his time with the Dhims. It hasn't really worked out too great with the McGinn re-signing and anyway who is to say GMS wont put pen to paper on the new contract he has been offered. If he doesn't then I'd like us to try for Jordan Jones from Killie although there's talk of Aston Villa being interested in him which would blow our chances out the water.

Shankland? Difficult one. He was obviously punted for a reason (too fat/didn't link play) but he's lost over a stone. Can't deny his goalscoring record but we are hardly prolific at creating chances for a striker who can't do anything other than put the ball in the back of the net. Don't see DM changing his philosophy any time soon so I thin it would need a change of manager first who would embrace Shankland's qualities and change our set up to accomodate these (and his limitations obviously). However unless a Championship side comes in for McInnes we are stuck with him for this season and at least the first half of next season too. In the interim, unless Ayr go up (I think they'll fall short in the end with County and United just having too much of a financial advantage) I envisage him moving on to a mid table level Premiership team (Killie will probably need to replace Fatty Boyd and would be a good fit for him) or an English Division 1 side who could pay him more than anyone in scotland outside us, the cheeks and the Edinburgh duo.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on November 25, 2018, 04:33:23 PM
Social Media Klaxon! Rumours abound that Leeds Utd want both Joe Lewis & Graeme Shinnie. Will try and find out from that Alan Nixon Journo, he's usually on the money with these.

Ok had half an hour to spare so looked up a few LUFC fan boards to see if that's where the rumours were surfacing from.

Their goalkeeper broke his leg over a week ago, probably out for the season and the fans do not rate the 2 back-ups at all. Supposedly they've asked for dispensation to sign one on an emergency loan....on all the boards I viewed the consensus is they want Tom Heaton in from Burnley with a view to signing him permanently in the January window. Not one mention of signing Lewis at all.

As for Shinnie, well the consensus amongst their fans is they urgently require 2 central defenders and 2 wingers/wing backs more than anything else. They've got 8 defensive/central midfielders on their books and are more looking to shift one or two out rather than sign any more. And again no mention of Shinnie anywhere.

Are their agents just "testing the waters" or is it just total bullshit??

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Northstar on November 25, 2018, 05:00:40 PM
Let's hope we can move out some of the dross have my doubts though,we need to up the wages
And quality should improve , there is 5/6 picking up dough @ offering nothing in no particular order
Gleason
Forrester
Tansey
Reynolds injured
Hoban injured
Cosgrove
Wilson

That must be around 25k /30k per week there , sure we could find a decent centre forward @ centre mid for that?

Think McKenna will be gone Jan or defo summer.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on November 25, 2018, 06:27:52 PM
Ok had half an hour to spare so looked up a few LUFC fan boards to see if that's where the rumours were surfacing from.

Their goalkeeper broke his leg over a week ago, probably out for the season and the fans do not rate the 2 back-ups at all. Supposedly they've asked for dispensation to sign one on an emergency loan....on all the boards I viewed the consensus is they want Tom Heaton in from Burnley with a view to signing him permanently in the January window. Not one mention of signing Lewis at all.

As for Shinnie, well the consensus amongst their fans is they urgently require 2 central defenders and 2 wingers/wing backs more than anything else. They've got 8 defensive/central midfielders on their books and are more looking to shift one or two out rather than sign any more. And again no mention of Shinnie anywhere.

Are their agents just "testing the waters" or is it just total bullshit??

I saw it on Twitter TC, the guy I mentioned about asking is 9/10 on the ball with this stuff, so I'll get onto it and see if he replies. We have offered Shinnie & GMS a new contract as well, not sure if anyone has posted about that on here, so that'll be interesting to see if that pans out. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on November 25, 2018, 06:38:47 PM
Let's hope we can move out some of the dross have my doubts though,we need to up the wages
And quality should improve , there is 5/6 picking up dough @ offering nothing in no particular order
Gleason
Forrester
Tansey
Reynolds injured
Hoban injured
Cosgrove
Wilson

That must be around 25k /30k per week there , sure we could find a decent centre forward @ centre mid for that?

Think McKenna will be gone Jan or defo summer.

Probably in a minority here, but I would keep Cosgrove ahead of Stevie May every day of the week. May has had more than enough opportunities, sound like a broken record but I am stating fact, he's useless and a half decent showing against Hibs won't change that. Cosgrove is absolutely raw, but that can be worked on, he's certainly not the short term answer, James Wilson was meant to be that, and that sadly looks like a fuck up. Get Cosgrove out on loan where he'll play week in week out and cut our losses with Stevie May.

Feel it's a bit harsh on Hoban, he looked decent enough before his injury, if we can get the 2nd half of the season out of him, then it'll be worth it. Reynolds, well it feels like he doesn't play for us anymore anyway, would he be a useful back up? Or is Considine the new Reynolds in that regard?

Gleeson & Forrester, well something clearly not right there, what I will say on Gleeson is, he didn't do much wrong when he played ( Poor pass back against St Mirren aside ) and overall looked tidy enough. I think Shinnie has been pretty poor the majority of the season, with the odd game reminding us he's still an asset, you would think that would allow more opportunities for Gleeson, but he's not even getting off the bench. Forrester, well fucked if I know what the situation is there, a bizarre set of circumstances, we paid money for him, he was likened to Michael Carrick, McInnes said he's been aware of him for some time and he really liked him, yet, he's been a ghost, not even making the bench now and been left out the last couple of reserve teams after playing for them for several weeks, perplexing.

I feel Tansey will be given another opportunity " like a new signing " comes to mind there.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Northstar on November 25, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Time will tell going to be an important 9 months for the club.

Rumours on reasons why some of the boys are not performing,but suppose
That’s goes with the territory..

Title: Re: January window
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on November 25, 2018, 07:02:42 PM
Time will tell going to be an important 9 months for the club.

Rumours on reasons why some of the boys are not performing,but suppose
That’s goes with the territory..

Is the rumour that some of them are just shite?  I can confirm, if so.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on November 25, 2018, 07:28:50 PM
Not sure if getting Hayes back would work, i.m.o McGinn's return has been a damp squib.
Regarding Shankland, please god no , i think the loon has probably found his level , unless of course he has improved 100%, looked slow & fat and he snatched at everything.

   We have to be looking at getting 2 strikers in,in January, to have any hope of finishing top 4. Would be happy to see Lowe remain here & hopefully get Hoban back soon (not holding my breath), must be a fair chance McKenna will be gone in Jan. & i  can see Shinnie going down South too, even though his form hasnt been great past few months, stll think we would miss him, we are weak in midfield & rubbish up top, very concerning :confused:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Northstar on November 25, 2018, 07:33:04 PM
Is the rumour that some of them are just shite?  I can confirm, if so.


Lol not wrong there, it was more like bevy @ bookies...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on November 29, 2018, 01:47:31 PM
The Journalist replied to my question, Said that the Lewis thing " Maybe true " but would be " shocked " about the Shinnie one. Not really anything to go with there really, hope it is shite.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on November 29, 2018, 03:26:48 PM
If he is right then I'm gutted it's Joe that they are interested in rather than Shinnie. Of the 2, Joe would be the far more difficult to replace (to a similar standard). However he is under contract so we could demand a decent wedge if it were to develop.....£3 million as a basis for negotiation or no deal.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on December 06, 2018, 12:32:04 AM
Great hearing Max Lowe post match saying he's loving it here and wants to get another 6 months sorted  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Tyrant on December 06, 2018, 08:38:28 AM
Great hearing Max Lowe post match saying he's loving it here and wants to get another 6 months sorted  :thumbsup:


Hopefully. No brainer.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 06, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
Great hearing Max Lowe post match saying he's loving it here and wants to get another 6 months sorted  :thumbsup:

Whilst I would love that to happen, this is patently outwith his control and rumours abound that Derby are wanting him back as they have two left backs out with long term injuries.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 06, 2018, 10:55:51 AM
Whilst I would love that to happen, this is patently outwith his control and rumours abound that Derby are wanting him back as they have two left backs out with long term injuries.

No rumours both Olsen and Forsyth who are Derby's usual left backs have knee injuries. Olsen is expected back before the end of the season and Forsyth is just waiting confirmation that his season is over.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on December 06, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
No rumours both Olsen and Forsyth who are Derby's usual left backs have knee injuries. Olsen is expected back before the end of the season and Forsyth is just waiting confirmation that his season is over.

well, that's a bit shit isn't it? Hopefully they forget about him and decide to get someone else in...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 07, 2018, 09:41:49 PM
What ever happened to Souleymane Coulibaly? Meant to be going to Thistle late summer, did that happen? Was a stud at Killie, can't be that bad now...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 07, 2018, 09:45:38 PM
What ever happened to Souleymane Coulibaly? Meant to be going to Thistle late summer, did that happen? Was a stud at Killie, can't be that bad now...


IIRC  he was at an Egyptian club and left of his own accord and there is some doubtr over registration and is compensation is due, until it's sorted don't think clubs want to take the risk of being liable

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 07, 2018, 10:09:46 PM
What ever happened to Souleymane Coulibaly? Meant to be going to Thistle late summer, did that happen? Was a stud at Killie, can't be that bad now...

Signed for Patrick in October and played twice without scoring.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 07, 2018, 11:17:02 PM
Checked up on Wiki.....Egyptian FA refused to grant international clearance in August. FIFA granted a temporary certificate in October allowing him to play for Thistle but there is no word on the £1.4 MILLION compo FIFA instructed him to pay to Al Ahly in April being rescinded. (shoulda gone to Hunsavers)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 08, 2018, 11:27:57 AM
Just took a quick look at Hivs.net to see if their fans had any ITK about Scott Allan and if Hivs were still interested. What I did see is that popcorn teeth has apparently ased their board to push the boat out to get Shinnie in on a pre contract in January, making him their highest paid player ever.

Sources appear to be an ex player and a manager with some connection to Blackpool   ???

Make of it what you will. I'm certain he is for the off (and I've stated where I think to).......even if this story is true a lower level English Championship club will be able to comfortably top it by £2-3k/week
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on December 08, 2018, 11:41:37 AM
Shinnie ain't going to hibs and I would have Allan in a heartbeat
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Tyrant on December 10, 2018, 09:51:19 AM
Shinnie ain't going to hibs and I would have Allan in a heartbeat

This. No danger he'd leave us to go anywhere except outside Scotland. I can see him at Rangers when he returns to Scotland but not directly from us.

If Hibs can afford him than so can we. Hibs is a sideways step and that's putting it politely. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 10, 2018, 04:47:35 PM
Swap deal with Victim FC

Hayes and Hendry for McKenna

At least that's what some deluded fuckwit is suggesting on The Retard Hotline

Zero fucking chance fortunately  :laughing:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 10, 2018, 05:37:45 PM
If and when we do sell McKenna I would be looking at Kerr or Shagnasty from Saints as his replacement.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 10, 2018, 05:39:43 PM
Holy phuq so that guy actually values Hendry at £7 million? Someone is slipping something into the communion wine in his chapel methinks
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 10, 2018, 06:01:09 PM
If and when we do sell McKenna I would be looking at Kerr or Shagnasty from Saints as his replacement.

Joe out of contract in the summer apparently.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on December 10, 2018, 09:21:15 PM
Think the lad Kerr at Dundee is a good player, would be happy with him, attacking midfielder & striker.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Tyrant on December 11, 2018, 08:42:19 AM
Where did thon gambling addict end up that resurrected is career at Dundee and played really well as far as I remember. Was it Caulker?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 11, 2018, 09:21:33 AM
Yep Steven Caulker. For some reason triggered a release clause in his contract on deadline day back in August but remains without a club. Supposedly back in April Dundee threw out what would have been a record transfer fee received from Rosenborg. Bet they wish they'd cashed in now.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Tyrant on December 11, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
Yep Steven Caulker. For some reason triggered a release clause in his contract on deadline day back in August but remains without a club. Supposedly back in April Dundee threw out what would have been a record transfer fee received from Rosenborg. Bet they wish they'd cashed in now.

If we cash in on McKenna Caulker would be a good replacement IMO. Nae convinced he'll come back up the road. Sounds like he didn't enjoy being very far up north in Great Britain.  ::)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 11, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Has a Scottish granny and could still play for Scotland as his 1 England cap was in a friendly. He did look decent at Dundee but think he's got a whole cupboard full of personal issues that would put DM off. I wouldn't mind the boy Kerr from Dundee as a replacement if/when McKenna gets flogged to the highest bidder.

You would have to think Reynolds would get released in summer at the end of his contract. Shaughnessy would be decent cover and relatively cheap but doubt he'd come back unless he was first choice.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 11, 2018, 01:17:21 PM
Caulker would be a no from me. Not doubting his ability but as TC has already said carries too much baggage.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 11, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
Interesting article in the EE about DM and our misfiring strikers. Cosgrove has scored 2, as has Wilson and Anderson, with May have just the one. However, I don't recall these guys missing a ton of chances. Given the fact that much of their service has been long high ball and chase, far from ideal. You can argue they don't make the runs or aren't in the right place at the right time.....although I don't think Anderson has been given a real chance yet......but my issue is our midfield. We need a center mid to dictate games and create, and that is my number one priority if we sign in the January window. We're so weak in center mid that that is where my money would go first.

Doesn't appear Dylan McGeouch is killing it at Sunderland, worth a look??
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 11, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
McGeouch is supposedly on £8k/week down there so it would need to be heavily subsidised to start with. But I doubt Sunderland nor the player himself would be ready to give up on it down there just yet and anyway to my mind is too similar in style to Shinnie/Ball/ Gleeson/Ferguson. It's more a right winger/wing back we require......Chris Cadden would be my choice but even that comes second to getting in a proper number 10.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 11, 2018, 04:59:46 PM
Interesting article in the EE about DM and our misfiring strikers. Cosgrove has scored 2, as has Wilson and Anderson, with May have just the one. However, I don't recall these guys missing a ton of chances. Given the fact that much of their service has been long high ball and chase, far from ideal. You can argue they don't make the runs or aren't in the right place at the right time.....although I don't think Anderson has been given a real chance yet......but my issue is our midfield. We need a center mid to dictate games and create, and that is my number one priority if we sign in the January window. We're so weak in center mid that that is where my money would go first.

Doesn't appear Dylan McGeouch is killing it at Sunderland, worth a look??

Agree in general here, I think Anderson would thrive with a partner, but I don't think he's ready to play the Lone Striker yet. McLennan played up front with Anderson in the Reserves, both scored for fun, mainly Anderson, as he's clearly a natural finisher.

But you are correct, it is how we are set up that is affecting our Strikers, May had MacLean with him at St Johnstone and was more useful, but his time here has been utterly abysmal because he's chasing long balls into channels which is taking him away from the penalty box, but it's got to the stage with him that he doesn't back himself to score now, his confidence is gone for me and he's our " least likely to score " Striker if that makes sense. None of us really know anything about Wilson, he's shown brief flashes of brilliance, but nowhere near enough and I think he's accepted his career is probably in decline and that he won't be staying at Man U when his contract expires. Cosgrove is just a lump, he's decent at taking the ball in and involving those around him, but he's not a Lone Striker either, and again, not sure he backs himself in front of goal either.

If I was McInnes and I was trying to make us more of a threat in and around the box, I'd play 2 Strikers, Cosgrove and Anderson. In my opinion, they would compliment each other quite well.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on December 11, 2018, 06:35:54 PM
Said it elsewhere but I think we should be trying to get Allan of Celtic.  What we lack is guile in the final third, he would provide that more than adequately and it would transform our team imo.  Since Christie and Maclean left we don't really have a central player who can comfortably take the ball with players around them let alone able to find a ball forward. Bar Cosgrove our striking options are all guys who want the ball into feet/on the deck into space whilst playing off the defenders shoulder.  Quite simply we don't have anyone to pick those kind of passes at the moment and that's why we ain't scoring much.  In fairness to Mcinnes I think that's why he signed forrester but himself and gleeson just don't look up to it and he has to take responsibility for that.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 11, 2018, 07:00:41 PM
Said it elsewhere but I think we should be trying to get Allan of Celtic.  What we lack is guile in the final third, he would provide that more than adequately and it would transform our team imo.  Since Christie and Maclean left we don't really have a central player who can comfortably take the ball with players around them let alone able to find a ball forward. Bar Cosgrove our striking options are all guys who want the ball into feet/on the deck into space whilst playing off the defenders shoulder.  Quite simply we don't have anyone to pick those kind of passes at the moment and that's why we ain't scoring much.  In fairness to Mcinnes I think that's why he signed forrester but himself and gleeson just don't look up to it and he has to take responsibility for that.

Yup, I'd take Allan and McGeouch. I totally think we missed the boat on Stevie Mallan and need to snap up McGeouch, and likewise I think we missed the boat on Ryan Christie - I do think we could have gotten him if we really tried, financial risk I know, but he'd have been worth it. Both Mallan and Christie, in my eyes, represent our clubs ambition. We chose to go the Gleeson and Forrester route instead....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on December 11, 2018, 07:59:27 PM
Yup, I'd take Allan and McGeouch. I totally think we missed the boat on Stevie Mallan and need to snap up McGeouch, and likewise I think we missed the boat on Ryan Christie - I do think we could have gotten him if we really tried, financial risk I know, but he'd have been worth it. Both Mallan and Christie, in my eyes, represent our clubs ambition. We chose to go the Gleeson and Forrester route instead....

The story goes that we had a deal agreed with Christie but when Celtic failed to get John McGinn they called the Christie deal off. Zero chance of getting him now that’s he’s doing well at the tims and signed a new deal.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 12, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
The story goes that we had a deal agreed with Christie but when Celtic failed to get John McGinn they called the Christie deal off. Zero chance of getting him now that’s he’s doing well at the tims and signed a new deal.

Yep heard similar. That boat has well and truely sailed now so onto new targets.
I assume that that we have some  ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 12, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
if mcgeoch is on 8k per week then take money of our highest paid director who is 6-7k per week....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on December 12, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
I would agree Mcgeoch would be worth pursuing if shinnie is off ski but at the moment I don't think we need another b2b midfield.  We need creativity which, fine player that he is, Mcgeoch would not bring.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 12, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
I would agree Mcgeoch would be worth pursuing if shinnie is off ski but at the moment I don't think we need another b2b midfield.  We need creativity which, fine player that he is, Mcgeoch would not bring.

I'm asking for McGeoch and Allan, replacing Ball and allowing those two plus Shinnie and Ferguson to rotate.....on the assumption Shinnie were to stay. Funded by the punting of Gleeson, Forrester, Ball, and Tansey.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on December 12, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
I love your optimism but punt them to whom?  Ball you can just cancel the loan but the rest are under contract though I think Tansley only has 6 months left 2bf.
I can't see anyone prepared to take over forrester and gleesons contracts let alone buy them and it would cost a fair bit to release them.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 12, 2018, 05:43:12 PM
I love your optimism but punt them to whom?  Ball you can just cancel the loan but the rest are under contract though I think Tansley only has 6 months left 2bf.
I can't see anyone prepared to take over forrester and gleesons contracts let alone buy them and it would cost a fair bit to release them.

I'd rather write that than funded by the sales of Shinnie, McKenna, and/or Lewis....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Slim on December 12, 2018, 05:57:18 PM
Never been that impressed with McGeouch, and I certainly wouldn't be throwing a massive contract at him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 12, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
You cannot just cancel a loan whenever you feel like it.....there may be a break clause if the player suffers an injury but Ball is with us to the end of the season whether you like it or not. As is Hoban....

Tansey has 18 months left on his contract, as has Gleeson. Forrester has........oh ffs let's not go there :hammer:

A lot of posters on here (and other forums) when they don't fancy a player/players just say "punt so and so". Well it isn't quite as easy as that.

McGeouch will NOT be in an Aberdeen jersey this season. Get used to it
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 12, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
You cannot just cancel a loan whenever you feel like it.....there may be a break clause if the player suffers an injury but Ball is with us to the end of the season whether you like it or not. As is Hoban....

Tansey has 18 months left on his contract, as has Gleeson. Forrester has........oh ffs let's not go there :hammer:

A lot of posters on here (and other forums) when they don't fancy a player/players just say "punt so and so". Well it isn't quite as easy as that.

McGeouch will NOT be in an Aberdeen jersey this season. Get used to it

Geez, someone's pissy. I think you're a little misguided here. It's not just a lot of posters here, I think it's pretty clear Gleeson and Forrester don't have a future at the club and it's best for all parties that they move sooner rather than later. I'd assume the club would do the best they can to get them off the books ASAP. Given we were able to get fees for Rooney and Stockley, neither of whom had played that much at that time and weren't on form, why wouldn't Forrester and Gleeson be sold? Both have a decent CV and their move here just didn't work out. As for Tansey, he's most likely being given another chance based on the aforementioned two being shite, but I'm sure someone would pay something for him and he was an out of contract signing so something's better than nothing.

A transfer window is coming up and this is a social media. Doesn't it seem appropriate that we discuss potential transfers? Aren't we allowed to speculate?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 12, 2018, 08:32:46 PM
I'd absolutely love to punt the players in question. However I also live in the real world. Players have contracts and won't move on unless they are getting at least an equivalent deal elsewhere.

But do you really think ANY clubs will be interested in the Gleeson/Tansey/Forrester triumvirate? Of the 3 I think Tansey might be the easiest to get rid of despite him being unable to get a spot on our bench. Ross County were reportedly interested in August but his wages put them off. Of the 3 he will be the least paid by us...I'd guess around the £2-3k/week mark. I have no doubt the club would be happy to subsidise 50% of that for the 18 months he has left to get him out the door.

The other 2 are a far different kettle of fish though. Both will be in our top 6 earners as the clubs where they came from both pay more than us in general. Gleeson has some talent but is slow and overweight. I really only thin he joined us because A) He had no other offers and B) He thought he'd piss it in a diddy league. I can see no prospect of any club in any league wanting him. So fully expect him to be with us until his contract runs out. He will get some game time but generally will be a bench warmer.

Forrester.....where do I begin? Peterborough will be ending themselves that they got us to shell out £200k for him. Reports of a League of Ireland club being "interested" but only Dundalk or Cork City could get close to even paying half of what we are.....and he's got 3 and a half years left on his contract. I guess we would accept writing off his transfer fee and paying £2k/week to get him out but I doubt the Irish clubs would be willing to pay the balance of his wages so to get him out the player himself I think would have to accept a cut in his wages. With what happened recently re his sister it's possible he might be willing to do that but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Ball has a loan agreement till the end of the season.....it will not be getting cut short.

And I repeat.....McGeouch will not be coming in on loan in January
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 13, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Have a feeling we'll be looking for a Left Back, Derby Telegraph reporting that Derby have 1 Fit LB available.

Scott Malone is currently the Rams' only fit recognised senior left-back available, with Craig Forsyth set to miss the rest of the season with a serious knee injury and Marcus Olsson still recovering from his own long-term lay-off.

I can't see them buying another when they have a perfectly capable one available to recall in just 3 weeks  :frown:

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 13, 2018, 12:37:26 PM
We have a perfectly good left back just waiting to take over in the event that Derby recall Lowe. Our esteemed manager just refuses to play him there.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 13, 2018, 12:45:16 PM
Whilst I agree TC, I think it's common knowledge now that Shinnie is a central midfielder, don't necessarily agree with it, but that's where he is now. If Hoban is back and fit, and Devlin as well, then I doubt we'll dip into the market for another LB after all. Considine will revert back to there and Hoban is capable of playing there also. Think Lowe will be a massive loss though, and I don't say that lightly.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 13, 2018, 01:22:29 PM
is it nearly that time again when we put Ryan Gauld's name into the mixer?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 13, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
is it nearly that time again when we put Ryan Gauld's name into the mixer?

Not until Alan Gow is linked first  ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 13, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
both seen in Greigs yesterday
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 13, 2018, 02:44:31 PM
is it nearly that time again when we put Ryan Gauld's name into the mixer?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-should-target-sporting-lisbons-13720672
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 13, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
mcfarlane and mcdermott are basically fanzine writer masquerading as journos
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on December 13, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
Not to get too carried away but is gaulds cotract not up in the summer? If so he might fancy coming back home. I believe he is a dons fan.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 13, 2018, 05:13:43 PM
Not to get too carried away but is gaulds cotract not up in the summer? If so he might fancy coming back home. I believe he is a dons fan.

Contract runs through until 2020 from memory. Think it was a six year deal.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 17, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
Given results at weekend and having seen most of the teams and the fact hearts are imploding due to naismith and lafferty  going , I think , if we can get 2-3 quality additions in there is a title push here or at least show the ambition to try.......if you don't try you are never going to succeed...said someone on the board
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 17, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
Increasingly think that Lowe will not be with us after January, so thought turn to who could potentially replace him.
wE all love to play laptop manager, so who does everyone think could replace him ?
Think in Jan window a permanaent signing is unlikely so looks like it would need to be another loan signing.
Let me start it off, with suggesting Tony Gallacher from Liverpool.
Young Scottish left back previously played for Falkirk.
Unlikely to get even a sniff of first team action with Andy Robertson having made that position his own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Gallacher
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 17, 2018, 11:15:51 AM
Naismith will be back for Hearts on Saturday. He only didn't play against Livi because of the plastic pitch. Djoum will be suspended though which is good news.

Celtic have definitely regressed of that there is no doubt. Self inflicted by not having a replacement signed for Dembele leaving them hopelessly short up front, compounded by the Griffiths situation, also failing to meet Hivs valuation on John McGinn.....an extra £500k and he would have been their player (and in turn Christie would have been ours.....bastards).

However talk of us mounting a challenge is just pie in the sky. Even adding 3 players......a striker, a number 10 and a right wing back/winger, Celtic will fill the vacancies in their squad with players of far better quality than we will. They will continue to suffer the odd defeat away from home (I don't think sevco will beat them all season, we might once) but come season's end they will be at very least 12-15 points ahead of the team in second place. Slippy G will ship out a few of his duds and sevco will give him some more cash to spend on the never never.......if they contrive not to finish second it really should be a sackable offence but he would cost a fortune to punt so will be allowed to continue into next season whatever.

We certainly won't finish second again with the current squad.....but with the 3 additions I mentioned it might just be realistic..on the number 10 it would appear Hivs are making Allan their top target for January.....really hope the board allow DM to push the boat out a bit to get him on board
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 17, 2018, 11:31:07 AM
just trying to be positive for once lads  ;D
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 17, 2018, 11:48:29 AM
just trying to be positive for once lads  ;D

Noted this, have a Simmie  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on December 17, 2018, 07:02:52 PM
just trying to be positive for once lads  ;D

Your account been hacked!?  ;D

Agree with tc, 3 signings in Jan and second will be ours, whether we get them, I'm not sure. Jan is always a tough one. Wonder if we'll see the return of some of dms favourites
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 21, 2018, 05:41:23 AM
Tansey to Hamilton Accies  ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 21, 2018, 08:50:04 AM
Tansey to Hamilton Accies  ;)

Had heard this at the beginning of the week.
See The Express are running with this story now.
Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Stewart on December 21, 2018, 09:54:06 AM
McInnes confirmed that Lowe is going back to Derby in January.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on December 21, 2018, 10:14:59 AM
lowe away devlin out till after xmas, need a few in
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on December 21, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
McInnes confirmed that Lowe is going back to Derby in January.

Not a huge surprise, but sorry to see him go nonetheless
Wish him all the best and thanks for your time here  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on December 21, 2018, 10:47:56 AM
Not a huge surprise, but sorry to see him go nonetheless
Wish him all the best and thanks for your time here  :thumbsup:

Absolutely. Annoyingly this was clear. Done a superb job for us and wish him well
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 21, 2018, 11:28:15 AM
Would still like us to whack in a £750k offer for Lowe if McKenna gets sold in January. No idea if Derby would bite nor if the player himself would be willing to join up but I think the question should at least be asked.

If we got lucky I have no doubt we would be sitting on a £5million asset within a year.

However I have a horrible suspicion that we might instead find the grass incoming from sevco.....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 21, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
If the ambition is to win stuff, why would we consider selling our best players? It's not like any of them are world beaters anyway.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 21, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
McInnes confirmed that Lowe is going back to Derby in January.

Always the danger when using the loan market. As him going back was always a possibility I would hope we another player lined up as a replacement and do not plan to try and muddle through with Considine at left back until the end of Season.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on December 21, 2018, 03:00:13 PM
Always the danger when using the loan market. As him going back was always a possibility I would hope we another player lined up as a replacement and do not plan to try and muddle through with Considine at left back until the end of January.

Hoban due back very soon if memory serves, and he's played one or two games at LB for us I believe, so there is always that option as well, me personally, I'd like to see us test the resolve of Killie and put in a bid for their LB Greg Taylor, only 21, so plenty of potential, but is having another good season so far. Or, if worse comes to worse, even stick Shinnie back there and bring in a CDM? That's extremely unlikely but it's another option.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 21, 2018, 04:13:49 PM
Hoban due back very soon if memory serves, and he's played one or two games at LB for us I believe, so there is always that option as well, me personally, I'd like to see us test the resolve of Killie and put in a bid for their LB Greg Taylor, only 21, so plenty of potential, but is having another good season so far. Or, if worse comes to worse, even stick Shinnie back there and bring in a CDM? That's extremely unlikely but it's another option.


It's an interesting one but a definite step backwards if we don't bring in a replacement. Sign of ambition if Andy becomes left back again. We have two choices, sign a left back or a central mid and punt Shinnie back there ......if he's not gone in the Jan window too. I'd say it's cheaper to sign a quality left bakc than a quality central mid, and I do like the idea of signing the Killie boy.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 21, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
Hoban due back very soon if memory serves, and he's played one or two games at LB for us I believe, so there is always that option as well, me personally, I'd like to see us test the resolve of Killie and put in a bid for their LB Greg Taylor, only 21, so plenty of potential, but is having another good season so far. Or, if worse comes to worse, even stick Shinnie back there and bring in a CDM? That's extremely unlikely but it's another option.

Hoban is due back in January but given his track record with injury and fact he is a centre half I would not want just to rely on him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on December 21, 2018, 07:06:20 PM
Always the danger when using the loan market. As him going back was always a possibility I would hope we another player lined up as a replacement and do not plan to try and muddle through with Considine at left back until the end of Season.

I think you may find that this scenario will happen, with big Andy taking over at lb & Devlin after break, slotting in at ch,  Considine has been really effective in his best position but unforunately doesn't have the pace now for a full back.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Madbadteacher on December 22, 2018, 03:17:32 PM
At least we seem to have found a temporary solution as goalscorer, another one already today!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on December 24, 2018, 07:23:13 AM
So have their been any murmurings on who we might look to get in? I know DM likes to keep his cards close to his chest but would be interesting whether the upturn in recent form has changed his mind on some areas. As Jute says, I don't want consi at left back for the rest of the season, not fair on him nor the others. He's performed well at CB
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 30, 2018, 04:09:50 PM
Well, the silly season is here. I’ll start. Read on Facebook - and most likely a pile of shite - that moult will be up here on loan and Jayden Stockley of all people signing for Preston.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 30, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
McInnes said on BBC interview he is looking at bringing in a striker following Anderson’s injury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46711254

Hoping this is him using Anderson’s injury as an excuse to protect our existing players as this something he needed to be doing anyway.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on December 30, 2018, 07:34:14 PM
Well, the silly season is here. I’ll start. Read on Facebook - and most likely a pile of shite - that moult will be up here on loan and Jayden Stockley of all people signing for Preston.

Stockley to Portsmouth now seems to be the call

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 30, 2018, 09:23:20 PM
Stockley to Portsmouth now seems to be the call

MK Dons also mentioned in other articles.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on December 30, 2018, 10:21:10 PM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/12/28/por-preston-move-for-exeter-ace-stockley/

No clue if this site is legit...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on December 30, 2018, 11:12:49 PM
Reading the articles none of them have any quotes from the clubs involved. Looks awful like an agent trying to get a move for his player rather than genuine interest.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 01, 2019, 05:51:10 PM
So what do we realistically see happening this window. I’d say we will get a left back and a forward. Would love to see us get a legit central midfielder, clearly lacking that creative #10, but the middle of the park is where it gets interesting. If we go two up too we have Shinnie and Ferguson grafting and there’s no need for the third central mid, but what if Shinnie goes? Then will we see Gleeson or Forrester move on? Would also like to see some pre contracts signed, Jones replacing GMS for example.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 01, 2019, 07:27:39 PM
L.A this is not directed at you but there is not a cat in hell's chance of us getting Jordan Jones.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 01, 2019, 10:37:21 PM
L.A this is not directed at you but there is not a cat in hell's chance of us getting Jordan Jones.

He's not wrong.....only Scottish club that might get Jones are sevco but really expect him to end up in the English Championship.

We all know we need a number 10 and I've been advocating Scott Allan but he was pictured at Easter Road the other night attending the Hearts game so expect that is where he will end up. DM has stated we need a striker with Anderson out 2-3 months and that is where any cash will go. Left back also a priority but have a feeling we will end up going down the 6 month loan route for this......lets hope we get one of a similar standard to Lowe.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 02, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
The team has become a younger one these last few months with the likes of McKenna, McLennan, Cosgrove, Ferguson, Anderson getting their chance.  We should be looking for an older head in the middle of the park, a captain like figure to guide the young lads especially if Shinnie may be going. We did it a while back with the likes of McNamara, Hartley, Robson and Brewster and should be looking for the same type again. A Scott Brown type would be perfect for our team right now, someone who's seen it and done it.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 02, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
The team has become a younger one these last few months with the likes of McKenna, McLennan, Cosgrove, Ferguson, Anderson getting their chance.  We should be looking for an older head in the middle of the park, a captain like figure to guide the young lads especially if Shinnie may be going. We did it a while back with the likes of McNamara, Hartley, Robson and Brewster and should be looking for the same type again. A Scott Brown type would be perfect for our team right now, someone who's seen it and done it.

Maybe not a McNamara type the wage thief that he was.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 02, 2019, 01:37:21 PM
So what do we realistically see happening this window. I’d say we will get a left back and a forward. Would love to see us get a legit central midfielder, clearly lacking that creative #10, but the middle of the park is where it gets interesting. If we go two up too we have Shinnie and Ferguson grafting and there’s no need for the third central mid, but what if Shinnie goes? Then will we see Gleeson or Forrester move on? Would also like to see some pre contracts signed, Jones replacing GMS for example.

Not like I have hidden my opinion on it, but I still honestly believe Gleeson has a part to play, I think he is starting to maybe reign in some doubts that fans had over him, clearly has ability and has been one of our better players when brought on in recent weeks. Okay, he doesn't have the engine, but he certainly has the passing ability and he never hides from the ball, he was directly involved with the 2 goals at Livingston, watch his pass to Wilson for the 2nd, he was under pressure from 2-3 Livingston players, he simply rolled it back and looked up, playing a good pass to Wilson. And obviously it was his shot ( going well wide ) that Wilson nipped in on and scored the first.

Forrester is a truly bizarre one, we paid for him, he looks lost and looks like he wants too much time on the ball whenever I have seen him, there have been murmurings that he's looked utterly disinterested in training and some reserve games and then of course there is the very tragic passing of his sister. I can't really see a way back for him, but can we afford to just release him?

I think a LB similar to Lowe ( athletic and energetic ) should be a priority, I definitely think we lack a creative attacking midfielder, but I think Niall McGinn could adopt that role, he still has the intelligence and drop of the shoulder, as well as being technically capable, Scott Wright could be his back up.

Top priority for me, the most important thing we need to get right this window, is Striker. I think Cosgrove has proved he's very useful when played in a 2, Wilson, if only he could produce that form he showed against Livingston, but sadly I can't trust him to do so, he's had opportunities, and Stevie May? Well, the less said about him the better, and sadly young Anderson's injury keeps him out for a few months. Will we revisit the summer targets? Moult, Doidge & Marquis? Who knows, for me though, it is vital we get it right.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 02, 2019, 02:42:31 PM
Doidge went to Bolton on loan till Jan on the basis they bought him now for reportedly 7 figures...

I see Exeter have signed Bowman and Stockley's release clause of £750k has been triggered. Would be typical of the odd way the world works if we had a sell-on fee, Preston signed Stockley and we used said sell on fee to bring in Moult from Preston.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tom_widdows on January 02, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Doidge went to Bolton on loan till Jan on the basis they bought him now for reportedly 7 figures...

1 goal in 17 games suddenly equals Million+ signing for a team who 4months ago were on the brink of Administration.

English football at its finest
Title: Re: January window
Post by: SeeBass on January 02, 2019, 10:35:18 PM
Gone is the day we have five Dutchmen in our first team squad!!!!!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 03, 2019, 12:28:10 PM
Have just read an article in the Retard online about five players Hearts should sign.
Interesting name pops up there, Luke Leahy (Ex Falkirk) now at Walsall and out of contract this summer.
Natural left back, capable of taking a decent corner etc.
Can remember him looking ok at Falkirk, but 26 years old and over 250 first team games under his belt.
Would like to think he is on our radar  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: SeeBass on January 03, 2019, 04:15:27 PM
I don't know why this has only come to mind two minutes ago but why haven't we looked at somebody like an out of favour Nir Bitton on loan so Lewis Ferguson can play further forward??
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 03, 2019, 07:15:37 PM
That's us bagged a very tidy £150k  after Stockley's move to Preston, do they still need Moult ?   All we need now is someone to snap up wee Ryan Fraser  8)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 03, 2019, 07:20:43 PM
That's us bagged a very tidy £150k  after Stockley's move to Preston, do they still need Moult ?   All we need now is someone to snap up wee Ryan Fraser  8)

Has that been confirmed yet ?
The sell on clause NOT the transfer that is.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 03, 2019, 07:22:25 PM
Has that been confirmed yet ?
The sell on clause NOT the transfer that is.

I hadn't thought so. Would be tidy if it was true.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 03, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
Has that been confirmed yet ?
The sell on clause NOT the transfer that is.

North Tonight said AFC would net a tidy £150k so obviously a 20% sell on clause.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 03, 2019, 08:04:41 PM
North Tonight said AFC would net a tidy £150k so obviously a 20% sell on clause.

Nice one Rocket  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 03, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
All we need now is someone to snap up wee Ryan Fraser

After all the hysterics on the various forums after Fraser left for nothing, it would be hilarious if he earned a big money move and bagged the dons their record transfer fee on the sell-on clause alone. Rumoured to be 22% or some such. The one downside is that he really seems to enjoy playing for Bournemouth, which might mean he doesn't move to a club who can pay the £20M+ that'd pay for our training ground for which he left due to it's non-existence.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 03, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
Has that been confirmed yet ?
The sell on clause NOT the transfer that is.

Apparently so, imagine what we would get if someone came in for R.F. :eek: 25% for him i think ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 04, 2019, 11:57:47 AM
appears hibs are in for perennial afc 'target' ryan gauld
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 04, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
Meanwhile we trundle on towards the date the squad fly out to Dubai looking like there will be no new faces joining them on the plane. Why on earth do we leave doing transfer business to the very last minute?

Simples. 1. Spending money is an anathema for Milne and 2. Winning and the success of the "football side of the business" was never his agenda.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 04, 2019, 05:42:28 PM
We’re bargain basement hunters who don’t offer a lot so very few signings jump at our offers. They wait for something better and settle for us if it comes to it. Sad but the reality of the situation.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 05, 2019, 03:55:01 PM
Based on the recent rumors, Gauld to hibs, hibs want Scott Allan, Jones, Defoe, Kamara to the Huns, McCormack to Motherwell, and Burke to Celtic. And for Aberdeen........let the tumbleweeds blow ffs.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 05, 2019, 04:03:22 PM
And for Aberdeen........let the tumbleweeds blow ffs.

And who's fucking fault is that?

It's OUR fault, that's who. We denied / refused to believe / couldn't see the Stewrat Milne agenda despite the fact it has been staring us in the face for a period of over 20 years now.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Madbadteacher on January 05, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
T B F Rocket, at one point he did splash out....Paul Bernard anyone?
It nearly fucked us to the point of oblivion.

I agree the "team" has never been his main agenda, and we're permanently paying the "cost" on the field for that, we're a tin-pot club in a tin-pot league, sadly.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 05, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
T B F Rocket, at one point he did splash out....Paul Bernard anyone?
It nearly fucked us to the point of oblivion.

I agree the "team" has never been his main agenda, and we're permanently paying the "cost" on the field for that, we're a tin-pot club in a tin-pot league, sadly.

At the time of the Barnard signing, we were hugely cash rich following the original shares issue. It was the market price at the time and that signing does not mitigate the truth. The absurd spending on non-productive staff (numbering 124 once upon a time), on excessive maintenance costs at Pittodrie, on feasibility studies and consultancy fees and on ridiculous management extensions and contracts (a failing continuing to this day including McInnes) took us from cash rich to deep debt. That was an agenda. £1m on Barnard was irrelevant to our Balance Sheet at the time so there's no tbf about it.

John Stephen, the now defunct AFCST and us shareholders all voted against Milne in the infamous AGM in the late 90's. He used his corporate mates on the board to survive as he's never owned more than 29% of our shares on his own. But that grim face he had on that night gave him grim determination to beat us and taught him to slow down and be patient. Time will prove if he's been good or bad for AFC. I already know where it's going.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 05, 2019, 05:55:18 PM
Yep, pretty much spot on R.S, as someone who has been going to the A.G.M's i can only back up some of the stuff you posted re Milne.
The fee for Bernard was big & a gamble given his injury record, but at that time, we started paying some ridiculous amounts for very average players.  £800,000 for Brian o'Neill anyone ?  £400,000 - Nigel fooking Pepper ? 
The deal Dodds & money for Winters could only be described as bonkers!!  :dunno:

   Without going into debt & i dont think we would have to particularly, we should be making a a couple of good signings to strengthen , looking quite obvious now G.S & G.M.S are offski aswell . We have made some cracking signings in recent years especially the 2 from Hamilton , but our bad signings have outnumbered the good ones.
           Did we even scout those duds from the English lower leagues?

       
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Northstar on January 05, 2019, 08:45:10 PM
So 4 going & 2 loans & 1 signing.

Shinie/gms/forester /tansey

Left back loan 1st division engerland
Centre forward loan English Premiership
No 10 signing word is Allan from selic..!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 05, 2019, 11:24:13 PM
1 goal in 17 games suddenly equals Million+ signing for a team who 4months ago were on the brink of Administration.

English football at its finest

Bolton don't want him  :o They are holding up the process, surely, given that it was all pre-agreed, they will face some sort of punishment or fine etc...

Also, wonder if it will rekindle our interest in him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 06, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
To give a perspective, Bolton's home gates have averaged between 13 and 15k this season, their biggest being 17k v. Leeds who presumably took a big travelling support. They're in freefall and need to get their act together if they're to escape the drop to the third tier of English football. Josh Maggenis is down there. I know there's TV money and income from the league etc. but they must be loss-making at those sort of crowds v. wages needed to fork out. Is this really a bigger and better prospective employer than AFC for a hungry ambitious footballer? Pity we don't have hunger and ambition ourselves.

Note: I recently discovered how to see crowd figures. BBC > Scores and Results > select a match > click on Line Ups.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 06, 2019, 11:59:33 AM
Darrel Currie, fella that presents Scottish Football on BT Sport, said yesterday that he is aware that Aberdeen are working on a few things, but mainly keeping a hold of our out of contract players & McKenna. Not sure how he'd be " in the know " but kind of makes sense.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CvB on January 06, 2019, 12:49:47 PM
McCormack to Motherwell

McCormack, had a decent loan spell with Melbourne in the A-League, but this is the boy that kept failing to turn up for training at Villa, locked himself in his house and couldn't get out being one excuse if I remember correctly.
He'll swan back into Motherwell like billy big balls, thinking he's better than everyone else.
File him in the same manila folder as Tony Watt.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 06, 2019, 03:25:42 PM
Presumably in the circumstances the boy Doidge at Bolton will have to return to his parent club (Forest Green Rovers IIRC).

Even in a team struggling at the bottom of the Championship, 1 goal in 17 games is a pretty uninspiring return. EFL2 is probably his level so hope to hell we don't make a bid.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Madbadteacher on January 06, 2019, 06:39:03 PM
Game's a bogey anyway, why bother?

Huns are signing players, despite being 14M in debt and rising, on wages we can never pay. They cheat, so might as well just not bother.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 06, 2019, 06:56:17 PM
McCormack, had a decent loan spell with Melbourne in the A-League, but this is the boy that kept failing to turn up for training at Villa, locked himself in his house and couldn't get out being one excuse if I remember correctly.
He'll swan back into Motherwell like billy big balls, thinking he's better than everyone else.
File him in the same manila folder as Tony Watt.

I thought he was currently injured. Had a subsequent loan with CCM and failed to turn up and definitely didn't give a shit.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 06, 2019, 07:21:16 PM
Presumably in the circumstances the boy Doidge at Bolton will have to return to his parent club (Forest Green Rovers IIRC).

Even in a team struggling at the bottom of the Championship, 1 goal in 17 games is a pretty uninspiring return. EFL2 is probably his level so hope to hell we don't make a bid.

Doidge cannot play for Dons anyway as he has already played for Forrest Green and Bolton so cannot play for a third club this season.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: gosgka on January 06, 2019, 08:16:21 PM
hayes going out on loan from celtic, not sure I would want him back
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 06, 2019, 10:04:57 PM
hayes going out on loan from celtic, not sure I would want him back

Nope, certainly not as a loan from timothy.  Is Gauld to Hibs confirmed yet ?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 06, 2019, 10:23:55 PM
Hayes would be a backward step but sadly just the kind of poor acquisition DM often seems to make
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 06, 2019, 11:25:55 PM
Hayes would be a backward step but sadly just the kind of poor acquisition DM often seems to make

Precisely. It'd be highly unimaginative.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 07, 2019, 01:23:07 AM
Nope, certainly not as a loan from timothy.  Is Gauld to Hibs confirmed yet ?
Supposedly playing one final game for Farense later today then flying out to Dubai to join the Hivs squad there
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Tyrant on January 07, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
McCormack, had a decent loan spell with Melbourne in the A-League, but this is the boy that kept failing to turn up for training at Villa, locked himself in his house and couldn't get out being one excuse if I remember correctly.
He'll swan back into Motherwell like billy big balls, thinking he's better than everyone else.
File him in the same manila folder as Tony Watt.


I think you'll find the gate of his driveway malfunctioned not allowing him or his car out.  :laughing: Steve Bruce telt him to jump over the gate and get a lift/taxi.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 07, 2019, 09:35:14 AM
Presumably in the circumstances the boy Doidge at Bolton will have to return to his parent club (Forest Green Rovers IIRC).

Even in a team struggling at the bottom of the Championship, 1 goal in 17 games is a pretty uninspiring return. EFL2 is probably his level so hope to hell we don't make a bid.

Gloucestershire sports journalist, who's usually spot on, says he's back to FGR training today. Bolton's transfer embargo means he cannot sign there.

Also reading murmurings on twitter that McInnes has had a chat with the Stoke board...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 07, 2019, 10:14:45 AM
Moyes is apparently interested in the Stoke gig so Mcinnes for next boss there could be classed as a dark horse at best.
 Stoke are a bit of a mess by the sound of their forums and their fans fucking hate Rowett so any new boss will have not being Gary Rowett as a big plus mark.  All that said there probably would be money to spend and they are 13 points clear of the drop so in no immediate danger either.  If they did approach its going to be more of a temptation than Sunderland was, decent size club with a solid support. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 07, 2019, 10:20:36 AM
Gloucestershire sports journalist, who's usually spot on, says he's back to FGR training today. Bolton's transfer embargo means he cannot sign there.

Also reading murmurings on twitter that McInnes has had a chat with the Stoke board...

If you mean in regards to taking one of their players......why the board and not their manager? 2 players spring to mind who could be available for loan. Charlie Adam.......big old hun, big old belly, at 33 bound to be slowing down (he was never even average paced) and taking him on board would surely mean DM abandoning his usual tactics of safety first. Nope can't see it being old Charlie.

So that leaves a striker. Which we do need. Now who (possibly) could be available for loan that hasn't been getting games for Stoke? I couldn't be? Surely not? DM trying to outdo sevco in the geriatric legends race? Or maybe fancies an upgrade from big Gash's wife? No.......just no!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 07, 2019, 10:25:42 AM
If you mean in regards to taking one of their players......why the board and not their manager? 2 players spring to mind who could be available for loan. Charlie Adam.......big old hun, big old belly, at 33 bound to be slowing down (he was never even average paced) and taking him on board would surely mean DM abandoning his usual tactics of safety first. Nope can't see it being old Charlie.

So that leaves a striker. Which we do need. Now who (possibly) could be available for loan that hasn't been getting games for Stoke? I couldn't be? Surely not? DM trying to outdo sevco in the geriatric legends race? Or maybe fancies an upgrade from big Gash's wife? No.......just no!

To replace Rowett is what is being suggested.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 07, 2019, 10:34:45 AM
Nope it's a player he is after

and its a left back.....Josh Tymon
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 07, 2019, 11:28:52 AM
Nope it's a player he is after

and its a left back.....Josh Tymon

Slightly younger version of Max Lowe then.
Surely to christ by now McInnes MUST have some long term plan to resolve this position, or am I just being overly optimistic lads  ???
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 07, 2019, 12:33:12 PM
Slightly younger version of Max Lowe then.
Surely to christ by now McInnes MUST have some long term plan to resolve this position, or am I just being overly optimistic lads  ???

The thing is, do we genuinely expect McInnes to solve every issue in the team every window, or should we expect that there are priorities? Up until this season (and probably even in the past summer window) left back wasn't nearly as much of an issue as striker, winger, midfield and centre of defence. Considine isn't an amazing left back, but his position wasn't the consistent area of concern across the park either - we had far greater glaring issues in striker in the summer (and still do arguably), central midfield (and still do arguably!) and in the forward wide areas. That we managed to get Lowe in was a huge bonus, as it lessened the extent to which the total fuck ups in other recruitment - midfield, striker - became an issue. I think that we're only now in a position where I'd put left back as the top signing priority, and that has as much to do with Shinnie being irreplaceable in our midfield by any of our existing squad than it has to do with Considine not being able in there. It is also conditional on the ambitious hope that between Cosgrove, May and Wilson we have enough to get some goals in the season run in. I think you're right that we should be looking for a long(ish) term plan for that role, as I think it's vital that we get at least one of our key deficient areas fulfilled in this window due to the fact that we might have several other key areas to fill in the summer. I generally assume that we can only fill 2 (Ferguson so far) key positions per season (and January is especially difficult for this) with long term solid signings, with others being either filled by loan or by adequate short term replacements like yer Balls, yer O'Connors, yer Stewarts, yer Hobans and so on. I think we are kidding ourselves if we think we can do more. If we get a loanee left back, than I'd expect we'll do some good further business in midfield or striker in order to bring in one good solid signing before summer - otherwise we'd have a very busy summer and we'll likely fail to get the required numbers in.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Barcosente on January 08, 2019, 10:56:55 AM
Probably nothing in this one, but just heard that Michael O Halloran is a target. Anyone know what he's up to these days?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Slim on January 08, 2019, 11:04:58 AM
Just been released by an Australian team for being shite. I’d hope there’s nothing in it.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 08, 2019, 11:08:17 AM
Stoke fire Rowett. McInnes installed as 4th favourite at 8/1 with Paddy Power (Moyes favourite at 10/11)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 08, 2019, 12:30:56 PM
Gary Hooper - out of contract in the summer and not played for Sheff Wed this season.  Superb goal scoring record throughout his career.  Would be a great replacement for Adam Rooney, whether he would be affordable is another thing.  Worth a shot.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 08, 2019, 02:00:40 PM
hooper has long term groin injury had surgery last year.. seems MLS clubs are after him... get Mulumbu in on loan from celtic and shove shinnie to lb
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 08, 2019, 03:38:36 PM
Stoke fire Rowett. McInnes installed as 4th favourite at 8/1 with Paddy Power (Moyes favourite at 10/11)

Was down to fives earlier but now drifted to 25/1.
Nathan Jones even money.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 08, 2019, 04:27:11 PM
Probably nothing in this one, but just heard that Michael O Halloran is a target. Anyone know what he's up to these days?

I’d take him, there’s a good player there. Success at a Scottish team, move to the old firm didn’t work out. Very similar to GMS, and potentially his replacement?

Hibs linked with a loan for Morgan, I’d take him. Mulumbu loan would be a good signing. Has he ever played for Celtic??
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 08, 2019, 04:27:17 PM

Nathan Jones even money.

He's been gone too long
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 08, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
I’d take him, there’s a good player there. Success at a Scottish team, move to the old firm didn’t work out. Very similar to GMS, and potentially his replacement?

Not sure what O'Halloran you have been watching but he is only similar to GMS in that they both earn a crust playing football for a living. His one asset is his lightning pace.....which coincidentally is his one way of taking on a defender.......boot the ball beyond and outpace him. Fine if the defender is last man but there's usually cover....GMS operates on a totally different level.

Oh and despite being a rabid Dhim (his father is actually a paid member of their coaching staff ffs) he chose to join sevco (pretty disastrously as it turned out though no doubt the £6k/week turned his head a bit) so not really of the moral fibre I'd want at our club...

Expect to hear he's on a 'plane to Dubai in tomorrows papers  :hammer:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 08, 2019, 05:00:49 PM
tansey gone not sure how we will replace him
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 08, 2019, 05:01:53 PM
He's been gone too long

I'll set them up.
You knock them down  ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 08, 2019, 05:32:04 PM
Cheerio Tansey, wasn't disappointed when he signed, thought he'd add technical ability to the midfield, but looked uncomfortable here, like he never believed in his own ability.

Usually one out means we're about to add one ( The freed up wages? ) and we're now being linked with someone called Jack Whatmough, but allegedly Rankgers and Ceptic are interested in him as well.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 08, 2019, 05:49:55 PM
we have paid him off so not really freeing up cash
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 08, 2019, 06:04:38 PM
Had 18 months left on contract. Would guess we have given him 12 months cash up front in order to get him to f@ck off now. He would only have been paid somewhere around our average wage.....at £3k/week we have saved ourselves somewhere in the region of £75k in doing so. Hardly a fortune but should be enough to cover the pay rise Cosgrove just earned himself.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 08, 2019, 06:34:18 PM
Scouse cunt walks out the door with our cash in his hipper and straight into an eighteen month contract @ St Mirren.  >:(
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 08, 2019, 06:58:52 PM
Heard about that Whatmough link earlier, would have liked Mulumbu from Killie as a permanant signing, but another loan from timothy G.T.F !!!!!! ::)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 08, 2019, 07:06:35 PM
Not sure what O'Halloran you have been watching but he is only similar to GMS in that they both earn a crust playing football for a living. His one asset is his lightning pace.....which coincidentally is his one way of taking on a defender.......boot the ball beyond and outpace him. Fine if the defender is last man but there's usually cover....GMS operates on a totally different level.

Oh and despite being a rabid Dhim (his father is actually a paid member of their coaching staff ffs) he chose to join sevco (pretty disastrously as it turned out though no doubt the £6k/week turned his head a bit) so not really of the moral fibre I'd want at our club...

Expect to hear he's on a 'plane to Dubai in tomorrows papers  :hammer:

Whit?! Moral fibre? Should he have turned down the chance to move to a bigger club and advance his career  just because of the team he supported as a boy? That’s a nonsense attitude.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 08, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
We all have a go at the Rat for joining sevco and did the same to Robertson, Wright and Theo when they joined oldco. Just not something I could do if I were in that position.

As for advancing his career.......really? From the minute he got there it was obvious his heart wasn't in it...and sevco realised that pretty sharpish too. Only thing that advanced was his bank balance.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 08, 2019, 07:29:21 PM
bring nkwali home....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 08, 2019, 08:27:57 PM
I recall some of you discussing Callum Hudson-Odoi but can't find on which thread. Is this the guy Bayern have bought and loaned back? Whatever his transfer status, this kid is special. Never seen him before tonight.

I see Kane just created his own penalty. Cheating cunt. Sneakily clever but still cheating.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: PompeyDon on January 08, 2019, 08:43:04 PM
Whatmough is an excellent player, would be amazed, yet delighted, if he signed for us, can't see it though.  Doubt he'd go to the Glasgow scum either.  Think it might be an agent angling for a bumper deal before Pompey go up (hopefully).  There'd be hell to pay down here if he left for next to nothing.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 08, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Doubt tansey got much from us, afc would have known about the Helen move i suspect.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 08, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Doubt tansey got much from us, afc would have known about the Helen move i suspect.

He will be lucky to get half of what we were paying him down in Paisley. He certainly wouldn't go down to make any less than what he was due to be paid for the rest of his contract here. So we certainly haven't just given him a token pay off. It will be at very least half of what we were due him for the remaining 18 months and as I've already said, probably a touch more to ensure he left (He will have relocation costs, new house etc)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 08, 2019, 09:34:49 PM
He will be lucky to get half of what we were paying him down in Paisley. He certainly wouldn't go down to make any less than what he was due to be paid for the rest of his contract here. So we certainly haven't just given him a token pay off. It will be at very least half of what we were due him for the remaining 18 months and as I've already said, probably a touch more to ensure he left (He will have relocation costs, new house etc)

Not necessarily true. He's rotting in the reserves here and his career has gone to shit. Maybe he jumped at the  chance to join St Mirren and ripped up his own contract. Highly doubt we gave him nothing but the chance to play top level Scottish football and play regularly might just get him one more transfer fee in the future. Going nowhere with us.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 09, 2019, 09:39:53 AM
If McInnes does end up going to Stoke, I hope we try and get Steve Clarke from Killie.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 09, 2019, 09:59:06 AM
Not necessarily true. He's rotting in the reserves here and his career has gone to shit. Maybe he jumped at the  chance to join St Mirren and ripped up his own contract. Highly doubt we gave him nothing but the chance to play top level Scottish football and play regularly might just get him one more transfer fee in the future. Going nowhere with us.

I agree, although I think there'll be an element of both, with a reasonable compromise. I doubt that there are many players who'd want to sit around the periphary of a club and not play for a large chunk of their careers. The notion of being "due" money from us is a bit ridiculous and I doubt would trump any player's desire to play fitba (unless at the very end of a career, or after a bad dispute). I can only really think of Bobo Balde in recent years who seem to actively want to sit on a bench and collect money. Obviously, the opposite side to that is the agent in the middle, who will want to get his client the best deal, and I would have thought there would have been a decent pay off for the lad that would have been orchestrated by the agent in order to get the deal with St Mirren through. Perhaps an agreement to pay him until the summer (the equivalent of) or some such. Still the cost of a Cosgrove transfer fee though, but freeing up budget.

It's another failed signing though, and needs to be recognised as such. Tansey is just another example of a signing that was never going to be good enough (his team-mate Miles Storey being another). It was an unacceptably bad signing. I had watched enough of Tansey to know that he didn't possess the attributes required to be an AFC midfielder presently (he'd have been fine under McGhee, Brown or late Calderwood of course). His movement was poor, his dynamism not there, his left to right tracking when the ball wasn't in our possession terrible. He was like a really shite version of Kenny McLean, without the positional sense to be a Ryan Jack. Capable on the ball of picking a pass and taking a dead ball, but not the fitness, pace and effort to back it up. The thing about Tansey is that he played in our league long enough for us all to recognise that. I believe that Gleeson is in exactly the same position as Tansey, which is why I don't think he should be near our first team. People get tricked by his occasional excellent pass and tidy ball play, but he's so short on movement, strength, positioning and dynamism that he's never a starter. I have no idea what Gleeson was like down the road, so I can't tell if he has the ability to consistently raise his game in those areas, but in all the years of seeing Tansey it was very obvious he couldn't. Hopefully Gleeson will come good, but there is nothing in his play to date to suggest he can (TC mentions he can't last 90 minutes, but I think that this is less of an issue than his 60 shite minutes on the park so far). I think at some point we'll need to make a decision on both Gleeson and Forrester and they'll suffer the same fate as Tansey if there is no improvement. The problem is that - given their lack of game time in the SPL - there won't be a St Mirren waiting to pick them up, so we'll probably have to take a decent hit on both. I wouldn't rule out Gleeson just yet mind, but it's not looking good.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: JMcD_AFC_79 on January 09, 2019, 12:02:47 PM
If McInnes does end up going to Stoke, I hope we try and get Steve Clarke from Killie.
They're talking to Nathan jones today (Luton boss). I guess he'll be linked to Luton now XD
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 09, 2019, 12:05:00 PM
Rico, I have to be honest and say the only time I ever saw Tansey for 90 minutes prior to joining us, was when he played against us, and to be fair to him, he looked capable, but obviously you can't judge a player over the course of 2-3 games, he certainly had technical ability, but that would appear to be all he had. He moves on and it has to go down as another poor McInnes signing.

As for Gleeson, I think he's made a marked improvement to our performance whenever he's came on, certainly against Hearts and Livingston. He contributes the ball well, is always looking for the ball and made a good impact in both games I mentioned. We still haven't seen enough of him, I'd like to see him get 3-4 consecutive starts, in where he'd last a full game, then we can get a good look at him, like you, I sincerely hope he changes opinions, much like Cosgrove did, because there is definitely a player there, I don't think we missed Ferguson even remotely in the Livingston game there, and when Gleeson came on, he contributed more than Ferguson normally does. Ferguson is a good young player, I am happy he's an Aberdeen player, but other than his goals, albeit important ones, his overall performances have been unnoticeable if we are all being honest. Not to say I think he should be dropped etc... but perhaps he could play the 10 role and maybe Gleeson could partner Shinnie in the deeper roles, that is something that I think could work.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 09, 2019, 02:22:59 PM
As for Gleeson, I think he's made a marked improvement to our performance whenever he's came on, certainly against Hearts and Livingston. He contributes the ball well, is always looking for the ball and made a good impact in both games I mentioned. We still haven't seen enough of him, I'd like to see him get 3-4 consecutive starts, in where he'd last a full game, then we can get a good look at him, like you, I sincerely hope he changes opinions, much like Cosgrove did, because there is definitely a player there, I don't think we missed Ferguson even remotely in the Livingston game there, and when Gleeson came on, he contributed more than Ferguson normally does. Ferguson is a good young player, I am happy he's an Aberdeen player, but other than his goals, albeit important ones, his overall performances have been unnoticeable if we are all being honest. Not to say I think he should be dropped etc... but perhaps he could play the 10 role and maybe Gleeson could partner Shinnie in the deeper roles, that is something that I think could work.

I wasn't at the Livingston game, so couldn't comment. The Hearts game Gleeson did quite well when he came on, but only in comparison to Campbell who was struggling a little. His performances earlier in the season were weak as pish (especially the opening hun game) and it was no surprise that both Ferguson and Ball have been in ahead of him all season. Ferguson has been light years ahead of him in terms of movement, covering, pace and general game intelligence and at the moment Gleeson will - correctly - get nowhere near the team if Ferguson is avaible (I see our midfield as Shinnie and Ferguson, with Ball covering for Shinnie and Gleeson for Ferguson). Where I think Ferguson struggles, is in the attacking midfield role that you suggest could work - I think he's been poor nearly every time he's been played there. He's basically a direct replacement for Kenny McLean, who came into his own when played in the deeper role leaving Shinnie to do the pressing and hassling. He has a lot to learn, but everything suggests that Ferguson has the attributes to be a better player than McLean. From watching him in every game apart from the Livingston one, I don't believe Gleeson possesses those attributes and thus will struggle to ever be the player that Ferguson is/will be. The only question for me is if we are paying Gleeson far too much money to be midfield cover. I'm inclined to think so, however Campbell's introduction against Hearts suggested that holding onto Gleeson at least until the end of the season would be beneficial.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: bearsdenred on January 09, 2019, 02:57:25 PM
rumours the huns looking at Shankland.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 09, 2019, 03:22:25 PM
rumours the huns looking at Shankland.

hardly new information......Shankland himself was in the press around Xmas time issuing a "come and get me" request to der hun
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 09, 2019, 03:34:13 PM
Interesting rumour on the Hat of a new player on his way to Dubai to be signed up by the weekend. If true it's a cracker.....

And I'm nae tellin you lot who is  :laughing:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 09, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Is it Frank Carson?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 09, 2019, 03:45:12 PM
Interesting rumour on the Hat of a new player on his way to Dubai to be signed up by the weekend. If true it's a cracker.....

And I'm nae tellin you lot who is  :laughing:

I just saw it, can't see it at all if I am being honest. Although.....It would be a terrific signing.

I am seeing Nathan Delfounso being mentioned a fair bit on Twitter. Also GMS to Sheff Wed allegedly.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 09, 2019, 03:51:18 PM
I'm not sure about all this diverting folk to other forums rather than just repeating the rumours with the caveat that they will likely be utter pish.

It's Johnny Russell, by the way. And some cunt called Brendan Galloway (Mike's brither).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 09, 2019, 03:53:20 PM
I just saw it, can't see it at all if I am being honest. Although.....It would be a terrific signing.

I am seeing Nathan Delfounso being mentioned a fair bit on Twitter. Also GMS to Sheff Wed allegedly.

It was the "wages to be covered by Cormack personally" that says to me there could be something in it......

(the terrific possible signing, nae Nathan f@cking Delfounso obviously)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 09, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
I wasn't at the Livingston game, so couldn't comment. The Hearts game Gleeson did quite well when he came on, but only in comparison to Campbell who was struggling a little. His performances earlier in the season were weak as pish (especially the opening hun game) and it was no surprise that both Ferguson and Ball have been in ahead of him all season. Ferguson has been light years ahead of him in terms of movement, covering, pace and general game intelligence and at the moment Gleeson will - correctly - get nowhere near the team if Ferguson is avaible (I see our midfield as Shinnie and Ferguson, with Ball covering for Shinnie and Gleeson for Ferguson). Where I think Ferguson struggles, is in the attacking midfield role that you suggest could work - I think he's been poor nearly every time he's been played there. He's basically a direct replacement for Kenny McLean, who came into his own when played in the deeper role leaving Shinnie to do the pressing and hassling. He has a lot to learn, but everything suggests that Ferguson has the attributes to be a better player than McLean. From watching him in every game apart from the Livingston one, I don't believe Gleeson possesses those attributes and thus will struggle to ever be the player that Ferguson is/will be. The only question for me is if we are paying Gleeson far too much money to be midfield cover. I'm inclined to think so, however Campbell's introduction against Hearts suggested that holding onto Gleeson at least until the end of the season would be beneficial.

I am fairly certain they are being asked to play different types of roles, I didn't think Gleeson performed badly at all against Rangers, but I do think he's perhaps training poorly or there are other factors involved, in why he's being left out. He started all of our pre season games ( I think ) and then the opening league game, Ferguson is obviously more energetic and I think the Scottish Game requires that, but other than his goals, I don't think he's produced an awful lot else, that is not to say I am writing him off, far from it, I said at one stage he was our best performing & playing at the same time, midfielder, but I think Gleeson has shown enough now to merit more game time.

Interestingly, if you look at the starting 11 vs Rangers on the opening game, it's something I have alluded too, barring Ball at RB, that is a straight swap for Logan now.

Lewis

Ball
Devlin
McKenna
Considine

Gleeson
Shinnie

McGinn
Ferguson
GMS

Cosgrove

It's a reasonable 11, the positive with Ferguson though, is that he is still very young and has barely played top flight Football until he came to us, he will continue to develop and learn and be a shoe-in for a starting spot for seasons to come hopefully, and having the likes of Gleeson here will only help him, but I believe, and it's only my opinion, that Gleeson can become a key player for us, or at least I hope he does. Unsure as to how many opportunities he will get to prove himself.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 09, 2019, 04:07:44 PM
If he gets himself fit to last 90 minutes he will get plenty opportunities going forward with Shinnie likely to be offski in summer. Quoting the sevco game in August was probably a bad idea given that their 10 men totally steamrollered our midfield that day until the last 15 minutes with Gleeson needing subbed off just after the 50th minute as he was blowing ut his arse.  I agree he has looked decent in the last month and does look to have shifted some of the excess baggage he was carrying. Hopefully the rest will come off in Dubai and we are then left with what almost amounts to a new signing
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 09, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
Is it Frank Carson?

 :rofl: It's the way you tell em  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Dunty on January 09, 2019, 04:17:28 PM
It was the "wages to be covered by Cormack personally" that says to me there could be something in it......

(the terrific possible signing, nae Nathan f@cking Delfounso obviously)

You've been had mate. Johnny Russell is not currently on a flight to Dubai. The boy Galloway is also a lot of shite, while Delfounso was from the well known troll Agent Kevin.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 09, 2019, 05:20:37 PM
Interesting rumour on the Hat of a new player on his way to Dubai to be signed up by the weekend. If true it's a cracker.....

And I'm nae tellin you lot who is  :laughing:

Huge pinch of salt required me thinks  ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 09, 2019, 05:33:27 PM
I am fairly certain they are being asked to play different types of roles, I didn't think Gleeson performed badly at all against Rangers,

He was fucking rank against the hun, poofed out of several challenges and struggled to move after half time. It was an atrocious performance. Difficult to understate how shite he was that day. I'm surprised anyone thought otherwise.

Quote
Lewis

Ball
Devlin
McKenna
Considine

Gleeson
Shinnie

McGinn
Ferguson
GMS

Cosgrove

It's a reasonable 11, the positive with Ferguson though, is that he is still very young and has barely played top flight Football until he came to us, he will continue to develop and learn and be a shoe-in for a starting spot for seasons to come hopefully, and having the likes of Gleeson here will only help him, but I believe, and it's only my opinion, that Gleeson can become a key player for us, or at least I hope he does. Unsure as to how many opportunities he will get to prove himself.

But Ferguson is poor (or wasted, he's not shite there) in the forward role, whereas very dynamic in the sitting role with plenty of room for improvement. All his attributes point to him playing that role, he's nae a James Maddison/Ryan Christie type. I certainly don't think he'll learn anything from Gleeson as he's already a better player.

I'm not saying that Gleeson is shite like, he's just very run of the mill. He's Rob Milsom. Tidy on the ball, doesn't give up possession too easily with wayward passing but moves side to side and is a fanny in the tackle. From memory, he had an injury and missed the first part of pre-season so perhaps fitness has been an issue. He looked steady but unspectacular against Hertz, with one decent ball that nearly came off. I definitely wouldn't write him off, I just think that we could do better (or cheaper) in our back up positions. I certainly don't think he's a charlatan either, like Forrester, I think he's genuine enough and will definitely improve given opportunity (just nae enough I don't think).

Can I ask, do you attend the games? The reason I ask is that, to me, he's the type of player that looks good on TV as he's tidy on the ball and has a certain gait about him that makes him look like a fitba'r. When you actually attend the games though it's visible that he's limited in his tracking, covering of full backs, dragging opponents away and so on. He's about half as good as Jack was, and I really wanted/expected that we'd get a player who could replace that role (I thought Forrester might be the McLean replacement before actually seeing him).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 09, 2019, 05:56:07 PM
Johnny Russel doesn't really excite me. Decent enough player but I just don't think he's what we need.  Had a look at his stats for last season: 10 goals and 7 assists in 30 games which doesn't sound too bad 2bf but when you dig a little deeper his passing and finishing are not the best.  He's a blunt instrument when we need a scalpel.... Imo anyway.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 09, 2019, 06:00:45 PM
It was the "wages to be covered by Cormack personally" that says to me there could be something in it......

This simply doesn't happen. There had been a couple of (very weak) rumours before that Milne was supposedly funding a transfer personally or paying the wages of a new player etc. but it's total bullshit. For a start, you don't get rich by pissing money away. Nobody gives nothing for nothing and trust me, there is nothing philanthropic about Messrs Cormack and Milne. Even philanthropy gets done in a tax-efficient manner but this idea that a director is personally funding this or that is total shite. The club has enough working capital to fund a new footballer. It's had it's debt cleared by Wm Donald (for what in return, we have yet to learn) and is running in profit. The more interesting angle is the source of these supposed weak rumours? My guess is that some arselicking cunt like Duncan Fraser or one of them who have vested interests in tonguing the hoop of the established order have been encouraged to "say something in passing" when in conversation with one that they know will repeat it, but deliberately NOT to a journalist. There is NEVER any proof or facts behind this sort of shit rumours... but certainly an agenda in place to convince i.e hoodwink the fans into thinking that the board want what we want and that the club is being run in the best interests of AFC plc, which it isn't and hasn't been since Stewrat usurped the hapless baby Donald (Ian),
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 09, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
Rico, not been to Pittodrie this season, but been to a handful of away games, I usually get to most of the away games ( live in Ayrshire ) but out of work at the moment, will be able to make a better fist of it when that changes.

I thought he absolutely changed the complexion of the game vs Hearts, we were losing the midfield battle quite alarmingly then he came on and immediately brought a level of calm and composure, and we started getting up the pitch more and the game turned in our favour more so. Him & Wilson made the difference against Livingston.

I just really want him to succeed, as I do every signing we make, and I maintain he comes with pretty decent pedigree, but admittedly that has dried up last season in England for him, could be the reason he's now an Aberdeen player I guess. Time will tell, it always does, and even more so if we add another midfielder this window  :o
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 10, 2019, 07:08:44 AM
I'm not sure about all this diverting folk to other forums rather than just repeating the rumours with the caveat that they will likely be utter pish.

It's Johnny Russell, by the way. And some cunt called Brendan Galloway (Mike's brither).

Agreed, no more of this nonsense please  :thumbsup:

I hadn't realised Russell wasn't even 30 yet, feels like he's been around for ages.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 10, 2019, 07:55:47 AM
Sky Sports Scotland tweeted this morning that GMS was in advanced talks about move to New York City but has now been deleted.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 10, 2019, 08:25:15 AM
I was thinking with Dave McCormack saying Aberdeen can be Americas Scottish team, is it likely we try to get some yanks in? I see there seems to be talk of a couple of them going to Celtic and Rangers, how are we going to be americas team if we have no Americans?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 10, 2019, 08:53:24 AM
This simply doesn't happen. There had been a couple of (very weak) rumours before that Milne was supposedly funding a transfer personally or paying the wages of a new player etc. but it's total bullshit. For a start, you don't get rich by pissing money away. Nobody gives nothing for nothing and trust me, there is nothing philanthropic about Messrs Cormack and Milne. Even philanthropy gets done in a tax-efficient manner but this idea that a director is personally funding this or that is total shite. The club has enough working capital to fund a new footballer.

^^^^^This. Did folk just ignore the entire EBT side letter thing with the huns? Directors cannot directly fund a player's wages. They can provide investment to the club, which in turn can be used to pay players. That investment would be detailed in the accounts. They can provide loans, like the new hun. They cannot pay all or part of a players wages whilst being a professional football club in Scotland as it would invalidate that player's registration and any titles won when that player was registered would be stripp..... actually, fuck it, you can do what you like.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 10, 2019, 09:09:12 AM
I actually heard the Johnny Russel link a couple of weeks back, similar to whats been said on the other Dons forums. I just took it to be nonsense, which it most likely is.

GMS in talks with NYC, cant really begrudge him that move, cracking opportunity.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 10, 2019, 09:30:30 AM
GMS in talks with NYC, cant really begrudge him that move, cracking opportunity.

Aye, if I was a player with relative ability like GMS and my options were here or shit-hole towns in England playing second tier fitba, and NYC came offering an opportunity, I'd be off like a shot.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 10, 2019, 10:03:18 AM
If the NYC story is true then it's cheerio GMS.

Their season starts in March, there would be no point in them showing interest but waiting till his contract runs out in late May by which time half their season is gone so hopefully we can tan them for £200k (more realistically £100k but you have to at least try) so they can get him in time for their pre-season training.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 10, 2019, 10:30:50 AM
Chris Harvey just Tweeted that McInnes has confirmed that NYC are in talks with GMS.

They contacted Aberdeen to inform them of their intention to talk to him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 10, 2019, 11:18:04 AM
If the NYC story is true then it's cheerio GMS.

Their season starts in March, there would be no point in them showing interest but waiting till his contract runs out in late May by which time half their season is gone so hopefully we can tan them for £200k (more realistically £100k but you have to at least try) so they can get him in time for their pre-season training.

Would it be worth letting him go for that little? We would then need to recruit a new winger.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Slim on January 10, 2019, 11:30:57 AM
NYC are funded by the same guys who own Man City, should be possible to squeeze them for a few hundred k’s you’d think?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 10, 2019, 11:56:47 AM
Would it be worth letting him go for that little? We would then need to recruit a new winger.

We will need to recruit one no matter if he leaves now or in the summer.

If we force him to see out his contract, we end up with an unhappy player on our books who is inconsistent at the best of times. If his heart was no longer in it that inconsistency could convert to consistent shyteness.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Sandaldinho on January 10, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
If his heart was no longer in it that inconsistency could convert to consistent shyteness.

at least he'd be consistent  :-\
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 10, 2019, 03:57:21 PM
I hope GMS goes to NYC and I hope they have a home game in the middle of May when I'm there. Never considered bothering with a sporting event when I'm over this time. Fuck baseball and basketball and NFL, shit sports the lot of them but I would definitely pay to see GMS in action, even though I don't rate him very highly (powderpuff) despite, sadly, he being undoubtedly one of AFC's best footballers. Never watched "soccer" in the states. I bet the crowd are interesting for their extreme obesity and their ignorance of the game.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 10, 2019, 04:23:08 PM
I hope GMS goes to NYC and I hope they have a home game in the middle of May when I'm there. Never considered bothering with a sporting event when I'm over this time. Fuck baseball and basketball and NFL, shit sports the lot of them but I would definitely pay to see GMS in action, even though I don't rate him very highly (powderpuff) despite, sadly, he being undoubtedly one of AFC's best footballers. Never watched "soccer" in the states. I bet the crowd are interesting for their extreme obesity and their ignorance of the game.

New York City schedule for you.

https://www.nycfc.com/schedule

Would recommend attending sporting event in the US if you get a chance Rocet as they do know how to do make it a an event. Plus they let you get booze at your seat.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Tyrant on January 10, 2019, 05:03:31 PM
New York City schedule for you.

https://www.nycfc.com/schedule

Would recommend attending sporting event in the US if you get a chance Rocet as they do know how to do make it a an event. Plus they let you get booze at your seat.


Agreed. Even inferior sports can be enjoyed in America. They know how to entertain when the game is shite.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Madbadteacher on January 10, 2019, 05:12:00 PM
Aye, but the MLS is pretty poor.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 10, 2019, 06:04:07 PM
Many thanks Jute. Yes I've been to events in the US but wouldn't go back. Once was enough. Not been to soccer though and as they're not at home when I'm over, won't be breaking my duck this year. I will be at Bethpage for the US PGA golf - moved to May from August where it had been for every year of my lifetime - but that's not the same stadia experience that we are talking about.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 10, 2019, 06:23:10 PM
Aye, but the MLS is pretty poor.

I'd say it's on a par with our league, if not better. Very different style of football but not that bad.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Kowalski on January 10, 2019, 08:11:54 PM
Hopefully he doesn’t jump into the Hudson River.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 10, 2019, 09:06:33 PM
I'd say it's on a par with our league, if not better. Very different style of football but not that bad.

i'd agree with that.  We get quite a bit of MLS on NZ tv and I've enjoyed the games i've watched.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 11, 2019, 10:34:39 AM
mulumbu available on loan get him signed
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 11, 2019, 10:51:13 AM
mulumbu available on loan get him signed

Can't see it. Not with Shinnie, Ferguson, Ball, Gleeson and young Campbell all competing for the position that he would also be trying to fill. Even if Shinnie were to leave in this window (unlikely) I wouldn't want to put someone else in the way of hindering Campbell's progress.....he is the long term solution and needs to be getting as much game time as possible now
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 11, 2019, 10:52:48 AM
Centre mid isn't a priority. That's not to say it can't be improved, but, in order, we need a striker, a left back and another winger before we need to consider centre mid.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 11, 2019, 11:24:41 AM
Since when have you all decided Bruce Anderson is a midfielder? He started one game v. Livi and you forget he came on as a sub and scored crucial goals displaying a rare hunger and instinct for the goal and you've decided where his future should be? Insane.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 11, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
I would have mulumbu if it meant shinnie was lb rest of the season.
Rocket I think you're getting ando and Campbell confused.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 11, 2019, 12:15:50 PM
I would have mulumbu if it meant shinnie was lb rest of the season.
Rocket I think you're getting ando and Campbell confused.

Indeed I did. Am I thinking right that McInnes played Anderson in midfield v. Livi? Or was it Dean Campbell he played there?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Stewart on January 11, 2019, 12:18:32 PM
Indeed I did. Am I thinking right that McInnes played Anderson in midfield v. Livi? Or was it Dean Campbell he played there?

I was very drunk at the game but Anderson was in the middle of the front 3 wasn't he?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 11, 2019, 12:34:46 PM
Greg Stewart has been recalled to Birmingham as they are looking to sell him this month. Hes been pretty good for Kilmarnock this season. I'm not overly confident that we could get the best out of him, but it wouldn't surprise me if McInnes would go for him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 11, 2019, 12:42:59 PM
He's going to Sunderland hence why Birmingham recalled him from what was a full season loan at Killie
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 11, 2019, 02:10:12 PM
Seems like Sunderland are signing half the players in the league at the moment. Be interesting to see how they fare next season in the chapionship.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Elgindon on January 11, 2019, 05:41:05 PM
 As you do when down at the local shop I had a sneaky scan at the EE while waiting in the queue(and because the boy in front decides to ask for about 19 scratch cards at the last minute   :hammer:).
   Mcinnes saying he's hopeful GMS will stay til at least the end of the season,despite the NY interest.And Hoban hoping to be available for the Stenny game
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Dunty on January 12, 2019, 03:47:11 AM
Rumours on the Celtic forums and Twitter that a deal has been agreed in Dubai between Aberdeen and Celtic for McKenna.

£4m plus Hendry and Hayes. No idea if they're loans or permanent (one would have to be permanent at least as can't loan two players from same club).

Could be a lot of shite and one guy's story has grown arms and legs. But, if that deal was on offer, would you take it?

For me, as long as there was a sell on clause included should Celtic eventually sell him on for big money, I'd take it.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Slim on January 12, 2019, 05:04:40 AM
We turned down £6m from Aston Villa. Hendry + Hayes are not worth £2m. Plus I’d be looking for more money from a direct rival.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 12, 2019, 06:26:02 AM
Rumours on the Celtic forums and Twitter that a deal has been agreed in Dubai between Aberdeen and Celtic for McKenna.

£4m plus Hendry and Hayes. No idea if they're loans or permanent (one would have to be permanent at least as can't loan two players from same club).

Could be a lot of shite and one guy's story has grown arms and legs. But, if that deal was on offer, would you take it?

For me, as long as there was a sell on clause included should Celtic eventually sell him on for big money, I'd take it.

Fuck no, I wouldn’t take that. Given what we knocked back in the summer, 8 million is a fair number to consider. An average at best hendry and an aging Hayes no thank you. If he leaves I’m pretty certain it’s to England.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Dunty on January 12, 2019, 06:37:03 AM
Fuck no, I wouldn’t take that. Given what we knocked back in the summer, 8 million is a fair number to consider. An average at best hendry and an aging Hayes no thank you. If he leaves I’m pretty certain it’s to England.

We knocked back much less than that in summer. Milne has already said the offer from Villa was nowhere near the £6.5m figure that was quoted.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 12, 2019, 09:17:26 AM
Honestly wouldnt want Hayes back. As much as he was good for us he hasnt played much for the last couple of seasons and he wont have the same engine now at 31. Hendry seemed to be a good player at Dundee but I would value him at no more then 1 mill so would be expecting at least 5-6 million on top. But I would generally prefer not to sell to a rival. We want to get him into the English market with a decent sell on clause. If he does even half decent down there a 20% clause could net us an extra 6mill+.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 12, 2019, 09:37:09 AM
If we accepted that deal then we may as well just accept that we have become Celtic's bitches. Hendry has regressed from the form he was in at Dundee and right now is worth no more than £500-750k. Hayes 2 years older plus one serious leg break.....likely to be slowing down and worth around £250k.

I'm certain this is just a Dhimwit starting a story in the pub having heard that we were out in Dubai at the same time as his club and the story growing arms and legs as it is passed from one plastic Paddy to another.

I'd expect a top end Championship to cough up at least £8million for his services and if the reported Newcastle interest is true possibly even £10million.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CvB on January 12, 2019, 09:54:07 AM
As much as his departure now could hurt us, let's just get this done and get him sold for £££££m's to some guffy club.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 12, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
Selling to Sellic should only be considered for stupid money otherwise as TC says, we be their bitches.

Fuck Hendry and Hayes. Not good enough for them and not good enough for us.

So what is stupid money?

Like McInnes - the great judge of talent (thus Milne giving him an exorbitant income) - I don't think McKenna is worth millions of zillions. McInnes can't rate him very highly as he never played him for years despite seeing him in training every day, presumably, unless he's one of these prima donna coaches who leaves the work to others. It was only in a crisis 15/16 months ago that he was he forced to play him at Fir Park and as the boy done well, continued to play and developed into our biggest financial asset, based purely on potential of course.

Specifically, he has too many mistakes in him and he has no silk. He's just a big unit of average technical skill. He will never be good enough to compete with EPL quality so if stupid money is offered, get rid. Then we have even less chance of winning the league unless the chairman allows the manager to reinvest it all in "the football side of the business", which he won't and assuming the manager is good enough to spend it wisely, which he isn't.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 12, 2019, 12:37:38 PM
Could be b.s, but been told we've been offered Jason Cummings  .  :dunno:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 12, 2019, 12:47:05 PM
Could be b.s, but been told we've been offered Jason Cummings  .  :dunno:

Sincerely hope it is. Forest desperate to offload him to anyone, couldn't even get into the Peterborough team in the last 2 months he was there, with a bizarre incident taking place in the flat he shared with a fellow player....

Talented obviously but problems with attitude and maturity. Will likely end up at Hibs again and do reasonably well. They've already got a striker with attitude problems so another one won't faze Lemon
Title: Re: January window
Post by: donsdaft on January 12, 2019, 02:13:02 PM
Aye okay Celtic....£15million and McKenna's yours.

No? well run along then, annoy someone else.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 12, 2019, 02:18:23 PM
Cummings is a mercurial talent.  Now say what you like about DM but by and large his players really want to play for him.
If it came to pass I reckon he would get a pretty decent tune out of him.  It's a no from me mainly on hunnish grounds but I wouldn't be raging if we did sign him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 12, 2019, 05:24:26 PM
Some roaster has just called the Radio Clyde phone in asking if anyone on the panel has heard the McKenna to Celtic  deal mentioned earlier "as his pal has just e-mailed him to assure him this is a done deal"  :laughing:

What is worse.....Mark Wilson said he had heard it, couldn't confirm anything but felt it was a good deal in principle for both parties  :hammer:

At least uber Hun Alex Rae said that in view of us rejecting Villa's bigger offer in August he thought it was a non-starter
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 12, 2019, 05:26:11 PM
The mckenna shit seems to come from agent kevin on twitter have a look at the attention seeking shite he posts... the man is ill i think
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 12, 2019, 08:17:39 PM
Cummings is a mercurial talent.  Now say what you like about DM but by and large his players really want to play for him.
If it came to pass I reckon he would get a pretty decent tune out of him.  It's a no from me mainly on hunnish grounds but I wouldn't be raging if we did sign him.

Not sure if you’re trying to stir things up but some of your recent posts seem to go against sensible consensus, just because.

Cummings “mercurial’ ???

He’s a fat, lazy, waste of space with an over inflated sense of worth. Never a footballer.

If not, I’ll have whatever you are.

Oh and whoever made up the McKenna nonsense can fuck off, unless the made up deal involves a 100% sell on clause. 😉
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 12, 2019, 09:50:01 PM
Johnny Russell story is not going away......
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 12, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
Would rather Johnny Russell then Jason Cummings...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 12, 2019, 11:30:55 PM

He’s a fat, lazy, waste of space with an over inflated sense of worth. Never a footballer.


This.

Would not be happy if we signed this waster.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: SeeBass on January 12, 2019, 11:46:50 PM
I still can't believe we got £100K off Exeter City and £150,000 from Preston North End for Jayden Stockley.  Does kind of cover the fact fee paid for Chris Forrester looking like a waste of money.   
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 13, 2019, 12:16:53 AM
Anything in the Shinnie to the Huns rumors???
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 13, 2019, 12:21:23 AM
Anything in the Shinnie to the Huns rumors???

Only speculation on twitter by the great unwashed absolutely no definitive credible evidence anywhere
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 13, 2019, 09:35:11 AM
Sunday Express apparently has us going back in for Gregg Stewart, & i got a text from my loon last night saying we are signing Scott Allen . My loon was being a dirty stopout last night  :laughing: so i will text him soon :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 13, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
greg stewart on bbc site also  wonder if mcinnes will play him in correct position
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Elgindon on January 13, 2019, 09:40:39 AM

 BBC also mentioning Greg Stewart https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46855019
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 13, 2019, 09:44:52 AM
Lemon was interviewed yesterday saying he would like Scott Allan but doesn't think it is going to happen...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 13, 2019, 09:55:35 AM
Scott Allan’s undoubtedly got the potential to be a decent signing (not that I think it’ll happen). However, I’m not sure where he fits into the team as it currently stands.

Our fun of form in December was when we settled on a system with two hard working midfielders and May playing off Cosgrove. Allan won’t do the same job as Ferguson or Shinnie as he’s a number 10, and I don’t think he’d put in the shift that May has of late either. So we’d need to go back to 4-2-3-1 to accommodate him, which is all well and good but we’ll need to sign a striker who can play as the “1” because the ones we currently have don’t suit that system.

Stewart I could see as a straight swap for May; a different type of “second striker” but a potentially more prolific one.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 13, 2019, 10:33:11 AM
Not so sure Gregg Stewart would relish coming back  given the fact he was pretty much a bit part player, often out of position, don't get me wrong , i rate him & would like to see it happen.

 Scott Allen, hasnt really featured at the Girodome , but must have something, where is his preferred position, attacking midfielder ?    just off main striker no.10 ?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 13, 2019, 10:48:47 AM
Agree that Greg Stewart may not want to come back here. 8 goals in 16 appearances at Killie. 22 goals in 71 appearances for Dundee. He did better at these clubs than with us.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 13, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
I’d take Stewart back in a heartbeat, although both him and Scott Allen could play the #10 role off Cosgrove. It’s a much easier sell to him given he’s not competing with Christie or McLean for that #10 position.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 13, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
Happily have Stewart back if we actually played him in his best position. I thought it was a dead cert for him to go to the mackems though?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 13, 2019, 09:40:07 PM
Birmingham manager said in interview that recalling Stewart was down to the board and he had nothing to do with it. Has reconfirmed Stewart will play no part in his plans for the rest of the season.

It was the Sunday Mail that ran with the story of us being interested in GS. More than likely just a reporter taking a flyer to fill column inches. Given that he is on £6.5k/week at Birmingham, think it would be unlikely he would want to come to us on £3-4k/week, he could get a good bit more in EFL1. Clubs know that Birmingham are desperate to get shot, I'd guess they'll try to stiff Birmingham to subsidise any contract they get him to sign till season's end....I can't imagine Killie were covering more than £1.5k/week when he was there. Hopefully he just signs a pre-contract with a club and stiffs B/ham for his full wages till his contract ends....they deserve that for the way they treated Killie
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Slim on January 15, 2019, 03:56:44 AM
West Ham are signing Scottish right back Michael Kelly from Bristol Rovers. If his name is familiar it’s because he was on our books until a few years ago.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 15, 2019, 04:43:51 AM
West Ham are signing Scottish right back Michael Kelly from Bristol Rovers. If his name is familiar it’s because he was on our books until a few years ago.

How and why did we let him go!? What's worse is we won't have a compensation fee I'm guessing?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Slim on January 15, 2019, 09:35:28 AM
Contract was terminated by mutual consent. Fell out with Sheerin soon after Sheerin was appointed. Went straight down the road and signed for Leicester.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 15, 2019, 11:50:23 AM
mckenna to celtic seems to be gathering momentum agent kevin pish aside
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 15, 2019, 12:04:53 PM
It pained me to go the page to read it but this is where the latest McKenna talk is stemming from.

https://www.celticnewsnow.com/news/scott-mckenna-appears-to-be-on-the-brink-of-a-move-to-celtic/262687/
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 15, 2019, 12:32:09 PM
Any club who sells their best player in the January window is more interested in money than success.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 15, 2019, 12:32:20 PM
I call it out as shyte
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 15, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
I call it out as shyte

Inside knowledge or wish list?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 15, 2019, 12:59:06 PM
I call it out as shyte

Agreed.
No inside knowledge.
Just don't believe it
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CtS on January 15, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
If Stewart comes back we’ll have GS, GS, and GMS in the same team. Too many G’s and too many S’s - It just won’t work.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 15, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
If Stewart comes back we’ll have GS, GS, and GMS in the same team. Too many G’s and too many S’s - It just won’t work.

Can never have too many G's. G's are good, G's are great.

Too many S's is a concern. Sam. Scott (M). Shay. Stevie. Scott (W) and no doubt others.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CvB on January 15, 2019, 01:11:13 PM
I call it out as shyte

I want to agree.
Looking at the various "news" outlets on Newsnow, the only talk of this being a possibility is from celtic based websites who have as much insider knowledge as most folk on here.

I'd be fucking furious if we did sell our "prize asset" to a rival as well.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 15, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
Inside knowledge or wish list?

Knowledge of how the weegie press works (brother does match reports for associated press). Any big signing at the arse cheeks is preceded by a tip off to all the papers (Herald, Retard, Evening Times) so that a reporter and photographer can be on site to snap the scarf being raised aloft for the next edition. Prior to this the online versions will be updated with a wee teaser "New defender*/midfielder*/striker* expected for smelly huns*/plastic Paddies*"
(* delete as required)

No such update is on the retard. If McKenna were indeed at the Brendanbeu they would be all over it
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 15, 2019, 01:15:36 PM
Any club who sells their best player in the January window is more interested in money than success.

Or they're just pragmatic? If it meant investing in a good left back, a decent attacking midfielder and a decent winger, then I'd sell McKenna in January. The sums we are talking about for McKenna (and I don't believe the ones touted in Jan) would be worth several seasons' prize funds, so it's not about money v success. Retaining McKenna isn't going to be the difference between us finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, but not having a left back, some decent supply and a finisher might. I'm pretty certain that we could assemble a team to beat the huns and tims without McKenna in it, but we certainly won't do it with the existing first 11. The Tims cashed in on Dembele when they could. If they'd held onto him for longer, there was a huge risk that they could lose a lot of his value for little return. It's about positioning yourself in the wider game and understanding the correct balance between letting players move on and associated detriment to the team. For the right amount of cash we could let McKenna go and be no more or less succesful because of that (if re-invested to a smaller degree).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 15, 2019, 01:27:13 PM
for once i am going to agree with rico
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 15, 2019, 01:29:46 PM
I agree about selling him if the offer is big enough. I actually wouldn't have a problem selling him to Celtic as long as it was a pure cash offer (no throwing in Hendry or Hayes as partial makeweights......i do not want either of them) of £8million or over. Ideally prefer him to go south, but it would certainly be in our interest to have 2 or more clubs entering a bidding war for his services. He's by no means the finished article yet and still very prone to dropping almighty clangers.....

Of course I'm basing my opinion on the board allowing at least £3 million for DM to go out and get us at least 3 other players (replacement CH, left back and number 10). The cynicist in me says he would get £1 million and the rest siphoned off to pay for Kingsford phase 2....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 15, 2019, 02:15:53 PM
I just don't think mckenna is interested in celtic 2bh. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 15, 2019, 03:16:39 PM
Being linked with Jaden Brown, a young left back who has just signed for Huddersfield from Spurs. England u19 international. Large pinch of salt though as it may have originated from Agent Kevin, even though it’s being quite widely reported now.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 15, 2019, 03:31:49 PM
I just don't think mckenna is interested in celtic 2bh.

He should be. No successful professional athlete wants a glass ceiling above them. Every ambitious sportsman wants to win. Aberdeen under Milne can't win the league because it's not even the goal. McInnes won't succeed because he's not capable and isn't a winner himself. Why would McKenna not want to join one of the only two teams in Scotland who are capable of winning, now that the old duopoly is back and here to stay by the looks of it?

No person - in sport or otherwise - would turn down the chance to treble or quadruple their income.


These comments, whilst true, do NOT add weight to the rumour of Celtic being in for McKenna, the origin of which is unknown (to me).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 15, 2019, 04:31:43 PM
Ok think I can shed some light on the whole Celtic/McKenna shyte from earlier......

It appears Mr McKenna allowed himself to be pictured with the driver of a taxi he was about to get into earlier today in Glasgow. Cannot confirm where in Glasgow but presume the airport having not long arrived back from Dubai.

Anyway this must have been witnessed by some Dhimwit, who, as anyone naturally would ( :hammer:), assumed that the only place in Glasgow that could be his destination was Celtic Park.....and promptly took to twitter/text/smoke signals to inform all his wee jakey pals. Thus he became the credible source so often alluded to in the ensuing bhollocks story.

I can not so exclusively reveal that McKenna's actual destination was Heart Radio, where as I write he is taking part in the "Drivetime Show" and no doubt is fielding requests from the Great Glasgow public for such popular hits as "Fields of Athenry" and that great dubstep choon "No Pope of Rome"

Happy fucking days.....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 15, 2019, 05:01:43 PM
I posted that in a rush, apologies for not getting my point across better.  What I meant, rocket, is that I suspect Mckenna has his eyes on a bigger prize. Why go to celtic when you will earn 30k tops and be tied to a 5 year deal when you could go to England and not only earn triple that but play in a much better league for one's development?  When celtic came sniffing in the summer he didn't seem at all fussed that afc dinghied the bid.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 15, 2019, 05:34:28 PM
I agree tig. If he had any ambition at all he should be targeting better than Celtic, although they could be a useful stepping stone as he's not ready for the higher levels in my opinion. Getting picked for his country is another big feather in his CV so if Celtic did table a bid, AFC would tell the world, protract the negotiations and then someone else might come in with a bid that we really can't afford to ignore. Then we can concentrate on trying to get 3rd or 4th place in the league.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 15, 2019, 09:13:36 PM
I agree tig. If he had any ambition at all he should be targeting better than Celtic, although they could be a useful stepping stone as he's not ready for the higher levels in my opinion. Getting picked for his country is another big feather in his CV so if Celtic did table a bid, AFC would tell the world, protract the negotiations and then someone else might come in with a bid that we really can't afford to ignore. Then we can concentrate on trying to get 3rd or 4th place in the league.
I think Celtic will be wary of that 2bh, they have been humiliated over the John McGinn affair and not getting McKenna would be even more embarrassment which they really don't want right now.  It just seems to me that McKenna is happy to stay till the summer (when he will surely move on).  If a richer side comes in with 8 plus and 20% sell on in january then fair enough he will likely be sold but I just have the feeling McKenna doesn't want to stay in Scotland.... and nor should he as he has the potential to be a really top end CH.    I do disagree slightly at the level he could go to though and think he could get a regular game with a lower to mid level prem side.   Bournemouth would probably be a really good for him given the manager and the opportunity to play (their defence isn't the best). Personally I would like to see him go abroad though  and in particular to Italy given how well they do defending but that's highly unlikely to happen. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 15, 2019, 10:04:50 PM
McKenna is saying all the right things and appears quite a sensible guy. I think he stays with us until the summer at least and I really don't see him staying in Scotland. I think he has to look at someone like Andy Robertson or Ryan Fraser and shoot for a lower level Premier team. Even Van Dijk is worth considering. Get to any of the bottom 10 team in the Premiership then ideal a move to one of the top 10. I'd say 8-10 million plus 20% sell on, 30-40 million in two or three years!!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: TheDeeDon on January 16, 2019, 06:57:41 AM
Just read Shinnie to sign a pre contract with Wigan.

It does appear he is off and cannot really blame him as the money will be well in excess what we can afford, but still be sad to see him go, if and when he does.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 16, 2019, 08:53:13 AM
Just read Shinnie to sign a pre contract with Wigan.

It does appear he is off and cannot really blame him as the money will be well in excess what we can afford, but still be sad to see him go, if and when he does.

In the BBC gossip section, taken from the Sun, so perhaps a pinch of salt required. I don't doubt he's moving however. It would have been good to have got a McLean-like deal, but oh well.

Despite what some of the posters on here have said recently, Shinnie will be exceptionally difficult to replace. One of the best midfielders in the country, with a fantastic attitude, drive and work rate. A proper captain. We haven't replaced Jack, we haven't replaced McLean (Ferguson definitely will do in future) and we'll really struggle to replace Shinnie.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: TheDeeDon on January 16, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
In the BBC gossip section, taken from the Sun, so perhaps a pinch of salt required. I don't doubt he's moving however. It would have been good to have got a McLean-like deal, but oh well.

Despite what some of the posters on here have said recently, Shinnie will be exceptionally difficult to replace. One of the best midfielders in the country, with a fantastic attitude, drive and work rate. A proper captain. We haven't replaced Jack, we haven't replaced McLean (Ferguson definitely will do in future) and we'll really struggle to replace Shinnie.

I got it off the EE website, but totally agree with you about how much we will miss him, as you said a proper captain.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 16, 2019, 12:26:10 PM
Shinnie going, and we let Tansey go... wonder if he will sign up Dom Ball
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 16, 2019, 01:10:20 PM
Shinnie going, and we let Tansey go... wonder if when he will sign up Dom Ball

Sorted that for you ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 16, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
A lot of hysteria goes on during this transfer window with teams seemingly signing players for the sake of it much of the time.

Other than getting a replacement for Lowe, not sure the Dons should actually be doing much.  We are just off the back of a great spell of results and should now have GMS back, Reynolds back, Hoban to come and Cosgrove and May starting to look promising as a pairing.  Just don't sell anyone until the summer and keep the squad together and we'll do fine.

Anyone that comes in now will take a couple of months to get going and similarly, anyone of note that goes will surely unsettle the team in the short term.

Wait until the summer, get replacements for Shinnie and GMS if necessary and ponder whether to sell McKenna if the money is right.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 16, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
Shinnie going, and we let Tansey go... wonder if he will sign up Dom Ball

Really hope not as he is nowhere near the standard required to replace Shinnie.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 16, 2019, 02:20:26 PM
Really hope not as he is nowhere near the standard required to replace Shinnie.

Exactly. We have plenty of time to decide on Ball too. I thought it was the right decision to re-sign him in the summer as it was clear the signings we made weren't up to scratch (or risky at best) and I think that's been justified. If we do similar this summer then I'd be happy to have Ball as a known quantity, low risk, option. See how we get on sourcing a Shinnie replacement, and if we're struggling then sign him up for a year. He's already been a better signing than Gleeson and Forrester so it shows how much of a lottery it is when making signings.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 16, 2019, 02:31:06 PM
Every team needs journeymen squad players who can come in and play 20 games a season competently, filling in for team-mates who are injured/suspended/bang out of form. In our glory years we had Dougie Bell and Andy Watson doing it.

Ball fulfills this role well and would be a fairly cheap addition. I think we will sign him permanently and absolutely hope we do. There seems to be a section of our support who are blinded by an absurd hatred of Ball. I suggest this is more due to their lack of knowledge and also lack of insight into our financial situation. Long term I fully expect Dean Campbell to be the Shinnie replacement alongside Ferguson but he is not ready at this point to play week in week out. Ball can fill in intermittently and is also handy on the bench as he can cover centre half as well as defensive midfield.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 16, 2019, 03:43:45 PM
lack of insight into financial position ?  record wages last accounting year......
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 16, 2019, 04:25:21 PM
Every team needs journeymen squad players who can come in and play 20 games a season competently, filling in for team-mates who are injured/suspended/bang out of form. In our glory years we had Dougie Bell and Andy Watson doing it.

Ball fulfills this role well and would be a fairly cheap addition. I think we will sign him permanently and absolutely hope we do. There seems to be a section of our support who are blinded by an absurd hatred of Ball. I suggest this is more due to their lack of knowledge and also lack of insight into our financial situation. Long term I fully expect Dean Campbell to be the Shinnie replacement alongside Ferguson but he is not ready at this point to play week in week out. Ball can fill in intermittently and is also handy on the bench as he can cover centre half as well as defensive midfield.

Hell no! Do not compare Dom Ball to Dougie Bell. He was a quality player, not some journeyman squad player!!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 16, 2019, 05:28:34 PM
lack of insight into financial position ?  record wages last accounting year......

We cannot afford to have 12 central midfielders on their books as sevco have. Indeed sevco cannot afford to have 12 central midfielders on their books but thanks to some gullible directors willing to flush cash down the toilet and some accounting wizardry they do.

Yes record wages but our squad compared to the arse cheeks and even Hearts really is very thin. We cannot afford to have more than 2 specialist players fighting for one position.....indeed right now we have only Logan fighting himself for the right back position and precisely zero players fighting for the left back position. The squad also requires 3 or 4 fillers ho can cover 2 or 3 positions.......hence Consi covering centre back and (reluctantly) left back. Ball covers defensive midfield/ centre half. Forrester covers a bench seat and the reserves.....

I don't directly compare Ball to Dougie Bell. But the fact remains he performed a similar role (Watson did it more directly compared to the positions they play) for the early to mid 80s side.....when all "first choices" were available he would occupy a seat on the bench. But as I said before......injuries/suspensions/lack of form meant he was inevitably starting around 20 games each season.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 16, 2019, 07:24:47 PM
We cannot afford to have 12 central midfielders on their books as sevco have. Indeed sevco cannot afford to have 12 central midfielders on their books but thanks to some gullible directors willing to flush cash down the toilet and some accounting wizardry they do.

Yes record wages but our squad compared to the arse cheeks and even Hearts really is very thin. We cannot afford to have more than 2 specialist players fighting for one position.....indeed right now we have only Logan fighting himself for the right back position and precisely zero players fighting for the left back position. The squad also requires 3 or 4 fillers ho can cover 2 or 3 positions.......hence Consi covering centre back and (reluctantly) left back. Ball covers defensive midfield/ centre half. Forrester covers a bench seat and the reserves.....

I don't directly compare Ball to Dougie Bell. But the fact remains he performed a similar role (Watson did it more directly compared to the positions they play) for the early to mid 80s side.....when all "first choices" were available he would occupy a seat on the bench. But as I said before......injuries/suspensions/lack of form meant he was inevitably starting around 20 games each season.

TC that is probably one of the best thought out and reasoned posts I have ever read on here.
I simply can't find fault with anything you've put there and have a Simmie my friend  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CvB on January 16, 2019, 09:25:03 PM
E There seems to be a section of our support who are blinded by an absurd hatred of Ball. I suggest this is more due to their lack of knowledge and also lack of insight into our financial situation.

I would argue that a section of support have a hatred of Ball because they've witnessed him making an absolute cunt of it too many times.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 16, 2019, 09:59:44 PM
I would argue that a section of support have a hatred of Ball because they've witnessed him making an absolute cunt of it too many times.

I think that's it. I'm not a fan of Ball because he's just not good enough to be a first team regular, nothing personal, he tries his best. I've seen Flood, Robson, McLean, and Jack play that holding mid role in recent years and Ball is not an acceptable replacement. Squad filler and bench player perhaps, but he gets far too many minutes for my liking. We can AFFORD better.

Likewise, and many disagree due to recent performances, I don't think May is good enough. He tries really hard and runs around a lot but we can afford better.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 16, 2019, 10:19:13 PM
I would argue that a section of support have a hatred of Ball because they've witnessed him making an absolute cunt of it too many times.

Id argue that Shinnie makes a cunt of things equally as frequently. Ball is a better passer, better in the air and a bit better with his weaker foot than Shinnie. Just remember to yourself what happens when Shinnie finds himself in an advanced position. Generally results in a brain fart as he hasn't a clue what to  next....

But Shinnie is "one of our own" so he gets away with his aberrations. I agree Ball is god awful at right back....that memory seems to be what sticks in folks' memories. At defensive midfield he is absolutely solid and has been one of our most consistently good players this season....never flashy just gets on with doing the job he is paid to do
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 16, 2019, 11:05:24 PM
Id argue that Shinnie makes a cunt of things equally as frequently. Ball is a better passer, better in the air and a bit better with his weaker foot than Shinnie. Just remember to yourself what happens when Shinnie finds himself in an advanced position. Generally results in a brain fart as he hasn't a clue what to  next....

But Shinnie is "one of our own" so he gets away with his aberrations. I agree Ball is god awful at right back....that memory seems to be what sticks in folks' memories. At defensive midfield he is absolutely solid and has been one of our most consistently good players this season....never flashy just gets on with doing the job he is paid to do

Sorry TC but I have to wonder if you have ever seen Ball play football with the above. His passing is nowhere near good enough. He is weak in the tackle (his piss poor attempt at a tackle that led to St Johnstone’s 2nd goal is an example of this) Defensively he is awful looks massively out of place at right back or centre half. Ball is at best a Championship level player and should not be anywhere near a team who intend challenging at the top of the table.

Shinnie may not be playing at his own high standards this season he is still a far better player than Ball. Since he has been paired with Ferguson and coincidentally Ball out of the team he has looked a lot better.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 16, 2019, 11:46:48 PM
I suppose it's a case of we will just have to agree to disagree

Ultimately the only person whose opinion really matters is DM. And I think he will sign Ball up permanently in the summer.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: TheDeeDon on January 17, 2019, 07:25:26 AM
Id argue that Shinnie makes a cunt of things equally as frequently. Ball is a better passer, better in the air and a bit better with his weaker foot than Shinnie. Just remember to yourself what happens when Shinnie finds himself in an advanced position. Generally results in a brain fart as he hasn't a clue what to  next....

But Shinnie is "one of our own" so he gets away with his aberrations. I agree Ball is god awful at right back....that memory seems to be what sticks in folks' memories. At defensive midfield he is absolutely solid and has been one of our most consistently good players this season....never flashy just gets on with doing the job he is paid to do

I think Balls passing is his worst attribute by far, to say he is better passer than Shinnie is sheer madness in my opinion. More often than not Balls passing causes more harm than good.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 17, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
Ball isn't good enough for Aberdeen in my opinion.

Whenever I see his name on the team sheet it sends a cold shiver straight down my spine!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 17, 2019, 08:08:43 AM
Papertalk linking us with McTominay at Man Utd on loan.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 17, 2019, 08:19:24 AM
billy big bawz attitude a la wilson ? never really seen what the fuss was about with mcntoniminiminiminay
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 17, 2019, 10:25:48 AM
billy big bawz attitude a la wilson ? never really seen what the fuss was about with mcntoniminiminiminay

Sure i saw an interview a few months back (McLeish?) saying that despite being at Manure, he's really a quiet kid with not a hint of an attitude problem or superiority complex.

Can't really see the point of us taking him on loan. He would be yet another defensive midfielder......even if Shinnie were to leave in this window, he isn't a viable option for us to buy at the end of the loan.....he's worth £3-£5 million at least and probably on £20k/week. You would think Celtic might be a better option for him with Broon in decline/possibly off to molest some wallabies.

No matter where he ends up on loan, I think he needs to leave Old Trafford. He's just not quite the level that they operate at. Southampton, West Ham or the likes I think he could do a job
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 17, 2019, 11:11:51 AM
Sure i saw an interview a few months back (McLeish?) saying that despite being at Manure, he's really a quiet kid with not a hint of an attitude problem or superiority complex.

Can't really see the point of us taking him on loan. He would be yet another defensive midfielder......even if Shinnie were to leave in this window, he isn't a viable option for us to buy at the end of the loan.....he's worth £3-£5 million at least and probably on £20k/week. You would think Celtic might be a better option for him with Broon in decline/possibly off to molest some wallabies.

No matter where he ends up on loan, I think he needs to leave Old Trafford. He's just not quite the level that they operate at. Southampton, West Ham or the likes I think he could do a job

Agree it seems an odd one for us to be linked with. Maybe they want him to play in middle to allow Shinnie to go to left back until end of season.

Suspect this is just paper talk however.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 17, 2019, 04:23:40 PM
Pretty clear if this is true that Shinnie is leaving or moving to left back. Makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Sandaldinho on January 17, 2019, 04:40:13 PM
Seen a post on Facebook claiming Wigan manager has contacted DM to say the stories were nonsense
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 17, 2019, 05:07:32 PM
Score Allan has signed a pre contract with Hibs
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 17, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Score Allan has signed a pre contract with Hibs

And changed his name.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 17, 2019, 05:18:36 PM
And changed his name.

 :lolabove:

Fucking predictive text
You got the point though
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 17, 2019, 05:18:39 PM
Gutted, would have loved to sign him
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 17, 2019, 06:11:20 PM
Gutted, would have loved to sign him

Much like Stevie Mallan, missed opportunity.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 17, 2019, 06:36:17 PM
shaughnessy pre contract ?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 17, 2019, 07:03:00 PM
Much like Stevie Mallan, missed opportunity.

Lot of Hibs fans not overly impressed with Mallan so far.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 17, 2019, 07:10:05 PM
shaughnessy pre contract ?

Word on the street or just your thoughts/suggestions?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 17, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Id argue that Shinnie makes a cunt of things equally as frequently. Ball is a better passer, better in the air and a bit better with his weaker foot than Shinnie. Just remember to yourself what happens when Shinnie finds himself in an advanced position. Generally results in a brain fart as he hasn't a clue what to  next....

But Shinnie is "one of our own" so he gets away with his aberrations. I agree Ball is god awful at right back....that memory seems to be what sticks in folks' memories. At defensive midfield he is absolutely solid and has been one of our most consistently good players this season....never flashy just gets on with doing the job he is paid to do


Spot on TC,  Ball is a lot better than some folk are making out, he is better suited to the middle of the park, as was apparent after the Motherwell semi, but with his physique, he adds real strength to our team.  Great attitude to boot.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 17, 2019, 07:58:07 PM
Word on the street or just your thoughts/suggestions?

Not the first time this has been mooted.  Was mentioned before Christmas I believe
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 17, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
I like Shaugnessy, good player. Comfortable on the ball and gets stuck in. I was surprised when we let him go. I had heard at the time that McInnes didn't like his attitude, but that could be nonsense. Replacement for McKenna I'd assume.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 17, 2019, 10:08:40 PM
I like Shaugnessy, good player. Comfortable on the ball and gets stuck in. I was surprised when we let him go. I had heard at the time that McInnes didn't like his attitude, but that could be nonsense. Replacement for McKenna I'd assume.

Is he left footed/left sided?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Elgindon on January 17, 2019, 10:57:03 PM

 Think he's actually left footed,but seem to remember us playing him at R/B??
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 17, 2019, 11:24:42 PM
Sure he's a right footer. I couldn't imagine he would want to play back up to Devlin at this point in his career unless we were offering silly money. Although as I've already said, it does look on evidence so far that Devlin will miss a fair chunk of each season through injury and suspension.

If he was to be signed as a first choice.....meh
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 17, 2019, 11:29:53 PM
Think he's actually left footed,but seem to remember us playing him at R/B??

Yes he did play right back for us. I actually thought he was a right footer playing at left centre half for St J, but I'm probably wrong
Title: Re: January window
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 18, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Seen a post on Facebook claiming Wigan manager has contacted DM to say the stories were nonsense

Saw McInnes on the news last night confirming that this story was garbage. Got me thinking that Shinnie has a real decision to make in terms of his international aspirations.  He is a regular now in the Scotland squad albeit he is a bit part player for them.  If he does end up somewhere in the bottom portion of the English championship with a Wigan-like team I reckon he could probably kiss goodbye to his international career but if he stays with us and is still in the spotlight then he could eventually end up with quite a number of caps.  Cash or caps???   ???
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CtS on January 18, 2019, 09:23:54 AM
Saw McInnes on the news last night confirming that this story was garbage. Got me thinking that Shinnie has a real decision to make in terms of his international aspirations.  He is a regular now in the Scotland squad albeit he is a bit part player for them.  If he does end up somewhere in the bottom portion of the English championship with a Wigan-like team I reckon he could probably kiss goodbye to his international career but if he stays with us and is still in the spotlight then he could eventually end up with quite a number of caps.  Cash or caps???   ???

I think history’s proved that playing in the English lower leagues can only enhance your chances of a Scotland call-up.  :dunno:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 18, 2019, 10:02:21 AM
I think history’s proved that playing in the English lower leagues can only enhance your chances of a Scotland call-up.  :dunno:

Seems to depend on the manager. Under Strachan I would agree and i think it was one of the things that alienated him from the scottish fans. Mcleish seems to be giving scottish based players a chance though,which is as it should be.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 18, 2019, 02:28:32 PM
It's not like shinnie has anything to prove for scotland either, he's done just fine in all apearances.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Stewart on January 18, 2019, 04:05:22 PM
Greg Stewart back but it's just another loan.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Dunty on January 18, 2019, 04:11:52 PM
Greg Stewart back but it's just another loan.

Must be in negotiations over a permanent contract, otherwise why else would they send him on loan after recalling him from Killie.

Loan is probably so he can play this weekend.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 18, 2019, 04:26:08 PM
Must be in negotiations over a permanent contract, otherwise why else would they send him on loan after recalling him from Killie.

Loan is probably so he can play this weekend.

That was my assumption, to get him for the weekend. Since he's been recalled from the Killie loan you have to assume the permanent deal is coming. Given his form, I think this is a good signing provided he plays alongside and centrally with Cosgrove.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 18, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
Surprised by the silence to the Stewart signing. Maybe I'm the minority with a few spare Donstalk minutes. He was excellent for Killie, must be a real kick in the teeth for them too.

Really curious to what happens with Shinnie and GMS. Thankfully Lowe is back so we have a legit defender, so Shinnie is still planned to be in the middle of the park. No clue if the link with McTominay was shite, probably, but so far I'm happy with Lowe and Stewart and if we had the funds to add McT i'd be happy. Praying Stewart doesn't get punted out wide if GMS leaves.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 18, 2019, 06:09:14 PM
Welcome back Greg, if he carries on the form he showed at Killie then we are laughing.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 18, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
Happy with this, just wish it was a permanent deal as opposed to a loan, i know his deal is up in the Summer & the only issue i can see is the difference in wages , between  Brum & ourselves.
Good move though.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 18, 2019, 06:22:44 PM
Welcome back Greg, if he carries on the form he showed at Killie then we are laughing.

8 goals in 16 games, but he also had 6 assists too. That's good form, and since he doesn't have Christie and McLean to compete with for the withdrawn striker/attacking mid role you'd like to think we'll see a central Stewart doing well for us.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 18, 2019, 06:25:56 PM
Heard a couple of days ago that we were in talks with Joe Shaugnessy , appears we are & St.J gaffer has confirmed it.  Could be a decent addition .
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 18, 2019, 06:29:42 PM
I would've been totally underwhelmed by the news of Greg Stewart returning but for his performances at Killie.

He never showed he was that good with us, even though many of you were excited by his first coming based on his performances at Dundee.

This is an excellent move, as is getting Lowe back. Good work McInnes. Credit where it's due  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 18, 2019, 07:30:17 PM
Very pleased to have Stewart back, we all knew there was a player there and kudos to killie for getting it out of him. The comment about not having to compete with McLean or Christie is a good one, so hopefully we'll see him continue where he left off with killie.

So far, after a slow start, so good.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 18, 2019, 07:56:53 PM
Astonished if we did anything other than agree a pre-contract for next season.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 18, 2019, 07:59:03 PM
Astonished if we did anything other than agree a pre-contract for next season.

Precisely, why pay for what you can get for free and already have on loan?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 18, 2019, 10:56:30 PM
Astonished if we did anything other than agree a pre-contract for next season.

Why? We’re obviously paying more to Birmingham than killie were or could but why would you assume that’s got any connection to future contracts?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 18, 2019, 11:28:34 PM
2bh I think we got lucky getting Lowe back so I'm not sure the club deserves too much credit in getting him back.  Hell, Derby probably called us. 

The whole thing is an odd one re Stewart being recalled.  I can't help but wonder if afc got in touch and said we will pay more and brum had a free recall clause. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Dunty on January 19, 2019, 12:03:09 AM
Heard a couple of days ago that we were in talks with Joe Shaugnessy , appears we are & St.J gaffer has confirmed it.  Could be a decent addition .

Odd one if it happens. Was McInnes that punted him, no? Also likely only to be a back up to Devlin and McKenna.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: scotfree on January 19, 2019, 02:24:51 AM
Odd one if it happens. Was McInnes that punted him, no? Also likely only to be a back up to Devlin and McKenna.
Not sure if he's been brought in because McKenna is off or if Devlin's injury is worse than first thought.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 19, 2019, 09:42:44 AM
Not sure if he's been brought in because McKenna is off or if Devlin's injury is worse than first thought.

Could be either scenario tbh!   :dunno:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 19, 2019, 10:45:28 PM
Greg Stewart's loan move to Aberdeen is "bull****" and has a "slightly strange smell about it" says Kilmarnock manager Steve Clarke.

Clarky not too impressed     :P
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 19, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
Full interview from BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46935230


Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 20, 2019, 07:28:39 AM
Greg Stewart's loan move to Aberdeen is "bull****" and has a "slightly strange smell about it" says Kilmarnock manager Steve Clarke.

Clarky not too impressed     :P

Clarke should say what he means rather than hinting at whatever it is that’s upset him.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 22, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
lewis morgan being talked about loan deal
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 22, 2019, 08:34:02 AM
lewis morgan being talked about loan deal

No for a number of reasons

Probably means GMS is away
Puts him ahead of McLennan
Develops an opponent's youngster
Unable to play in games against them.
Dislike everything connected to that racist club
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 22, 2019, 08:38:31 AM
Thought we may have learned our lesson from loaning players from Celtic after Christie, it would seem not.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 22, 2019, 08:50:45 AM
No for a number of reasons


Develops an opponent's youngster
Unable to play in games against them.


These would be my main two objections. Christie deal should and subsequent cup winning goal should be putting us off any further loans from teams in our own league unless it’s a try before you buy set up.

Should also say your last point also has merit.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 22, 2019, 09:19:04 AM
Thought we may have learned our lesson from loaning players from Celtic after Christie, it would seem not.

Obviously I hate us getting players from them, but pragmatically speaking though, we got a player who won us several points and progressed us through tournaments (semi final goal v Hibs for example). Whilst we developed a player for the Tims, arguably they could easily have just bought a player of similar calibre (Rogic let's say) who would have done a similar job and also had no bother scoring against us. I think, overall, we gained a lot from Christie's move in terms of our on the park performances - we were a better team with him in it (although I never thought him and McGinn worked particularly well together, but that's not specific to Christie). Celtic also gained massively too, but that's neither here nor there given the gulf in finances. You also have to factor in the points gained by another club (say Hertz, Hibs or whoever) had they signed Christie instead; he's clearly a good player that thrived on game time. From a short term perspective, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Christie or Morgan as a temporary solution for six months is fine if there are few other obvious options (which is almost always the case in January). The biggest problem is the long term defecit that it creates. Celtic are developing a model whereby they can pick up the best young players (Christie, Morgan, Allan, Griffiths) with zero intentions of developing them. They send them out on loan to either success or, in the case of Allan, not quite there. By facilitating these loans (and, let's be honest, they will just loan Morgan to someone else if not us) we're actively promoting a model which allows Celtic to have zero/minimal downside to taking a punt on a young player. They can pay a comparitively small fee and then have a significant portion of the subsequent wages funded by the loan move with a resulting asset generally worth more than the initial outlay and wages less loan wages received.

To me, it's a systemic issue that needs to be addressed further up the chain than AFC (although AFC could certainly highlight it), perhaps by preventing loans between clubs in the same league. Whilst Morgan could probably have/may still go down South for a spell, that possibly wouldn't give him the same Tim-ready experience that he'd get in the SPL. I think that would be a simple solution to a problem that isn't being addressed or recognised, and would probably prevent the Tims going for players like Morgan in the first place, who clearly aren't anywhere near ready for their first team, but allows them to have significant control of the best players in the league(s). Until that type of legislation is passed however, we may be cutting our noses off to spite our faces - from an entirely pragmatic perspective - by not pursuing these types of loans, as inevitably our loss would be someone else's gain.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 22, 2019, 09:59:09 AM
Obviously I hate us getting players from them, but pragmatically speaking though, we got a player who won us several points and progressed us through tournaments (semi final goal v Hibs for example). Whilst we developed a player for the Tims, arguably they could easily have just bought a player of similar calibre (Rogic let's say) who would have done a similar job and also had no bother scoring against us. I think, overall, we gained a lot from Christie's move in terms of our on the park performances - we were a better team with him in it (although I never thought him and McGinn worked particularly well together, but that's not specific to Christie). Celtic also gained massively too, but that's neither here nor there given the gulf in finances. You also have to factor in the points gained by another club (say Hertz, Hibs or whoever) had they signed Christie instead; he's clearly a good player that thrived on game time. From a short term perspective, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Christie or Morgan as a temporary solution for six months is fine if there are few other obvious options (which is almost always the case in January). The biggest problem is the long term defecit that it creates. Celtic are developing a model whereby they can pick up the best young players (Christie, Morgan, Allan, Griffiths) with zero intentions of developing them. They send them out on loan to either success or, in the case of Allan, not quite there. By facilitating these loans (and, let's be honest, they will just loan Morgan to someone else if not us) we're actively promoting a model which allows Celtic to have zero/minimal downside to taking a punt on a young player. They can pay a comparitively small fee and then have a significant portion of the subsequent wages funded by the loan move with a resulting asset generally worth more than the initial outlay and wages less loan wages received.

To me, it's a systemic issue that needs to be addressed further up the chain than AFC (although AFC could certainly highlight it), perhaps by preventing loans between clubs in the same league. Whilst Morgan could probably have/may still go down South for a spell, that possibly wouldn't give him the same Tim-ready experience that he'd get in the SPL. I think that would be a simple solution to a problem that isn't being addressed or recognised, and would probably prevent the Tims going for players like Morgan in the first place, who clearly aren't anywhere near ready for their first team, but allows them to have significant control of the best players in the league(s). Until that type of legislation is passed however, we may be cutting our noses off to spite our faces - from an entirely pragmatic perspective - by not pursuing these types of loans, as inevitably our loss would be someone else's gain.

Excellent post. Have a Simmie  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: TheDeeDon on January 22, 2019, 12:10:28 PM
Concentrate on developing our own young players rather than take them from any of or direct competitors.

It's a nonsense situation.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 22, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
Concentrate on developing our own young players rather than take them from any of or direct competitors.

It's a nonsense situation.

Well, aye, but what if the Tims loaned Morgan to Hibs and his goals and assists led directly to them gaining 9-12 points (not unrealistic) and finishing above us? I'd be happy enough that we've eplicitly rejected a model that relied on Tims ahead of our young players (Wright and McLennan in this case, who may be worse players than Morgan - I've only see him play once, and he was average) even if it meant us finishing lower in the league, because that's just the way I am. However, from the point of view of the manager who's job will be lost through poor league finishes, you could surely understand the dilemma? It has to be a club decision, and it has to be publicly articulated at club level (i.e. above McInnes) and built into expectations. Perhaps even with an agreement with yer Hertz, Hibss, Killies and Motherwells to alleviate the potential of the player just going elsewhere.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: TheDeeDon on January 22, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
Well, aye, but what if the Tims loaned Morgan to Hibs and his goals and assists led directly to them gaining 9-12 points (not unrealistic) and finishing above us? I'd be happy enough that we've eplicitly rejected a model that relied on Tims ahead of our young players (Wright and McLennan in this case, who may be worse players than Morgan - I've only see him play once, and he was average) even if it meant us finishing lower in the league, because that's just the way I am. However, from the point of view of the manager who's job will be lost through poor league finishes, you could surely understand the dilemma? It has to be a club decision, and it has to be publicly articulated at club level (i.e. above McInnes) and built into expectations. Perhaps even with an agreement with yer Hertz, Hibss, Killies and Motherwells to alleviate the potential of the player just going elsewhere.

I hear you, but I still don't agree with it. I enjoyed having Christie here and thought he was a terrific player, but when you see him playing for Celtic knowing we have made him a better player, possibly just more experienced than better, it just sticks in the throat. I also realise it potentially could get you a player on a permanent basis if all things work out, but in a league where it is a struggle to keep up with Celtic and Rangers in spending power it feels like a backward step in helping their own younger players progress.

I can't ever envisage any other clubs agreeing to put a stop to it either.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 22, 2019, 02:06:53 PM
I hear you, but I still don't agree with it. I enjoyed having Christie here and thought he was a terrific player, but when you see him playing for Celtic knowing we have made him a better player, possibly just more experienced than better, it just sticks in the throat. I also realise it potentially could get you a player on a permanent basis if all things work out, but in a league where it is a struggle to keep up with Celtic and Rangers in spending power it feels like a backward step in helping their own younger players progress.

I can't ever envisage any other clubs agreeing to put a stop to it either.

Aye, I don't agree with it either, I just mean that it's reality. It's short-termism at its worst.

That said, we were very close to getting Christie permanently, in which case would you have thought twice about Morgan coming?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 28, 2019, 07:45:19 AM
Daily Ranger claiming this morning that McInnes has spoken to Lewis Morgan and it is now up to the player if he wants to move to Dons or down South on loan. Also reporting that McInnes interested in Hayes if GMS moves to New York.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 28, 2019, 08:09:18 AM
Daily Ranger claiming this morning that McInnes has spoken to Lewis Morgan and it is now up to the player if he wants to move to Dons or down South on loan. Also reporting that McInnes interested in Hayes if GMS moves to New York.

Whilst I accept that we're never going to make wholesale changes in Jan, it's been thoroughly underwhelming, again. Lowe, fantastic to get him on loan again, but I was hoping to get someone in permanently. Morgan (not doubting his ability) and Hayes, no thanks. Not keen on developing celtic players anymore, and Hayes, likely to be past his best. Here's hoping for something that isn't being reported in the last few days.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 09:19:25 AM
I'd actually rather have Hayes than Morgan. Hayes has a phenomenal workrate and is versatile. If given the choice, I'd rather have Hayes in centre mid than Gleeson (and Ball) for example even though that isn't his position (although, if he's lost a little of his pace, then it may not be a bad role for him). I think he's still got a couple of decent years left in him and would definitely improve our squad as a whole, if not our starting eleven.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 28, 2019, 09:40:48 AM
Not overly keen on Morgan and absolutely dead against Hayes. As said by others, developing players for a direct rival is probably counter-productive. I'd accept him on the basis that I honestly don't think he has a chance of ever making it at Celtic and by coming here it might put us to the head of the queue in summer when he could be available fairly cheaply on a permanent basis.

Hayes sorry but no. Now heading for 33, with a bad leg break since he left and hardly any first team football plus we would instantly have to make him our highest paid player to match his Celtic wage......just don't think he represents in any way good value for money. He obviously has no future at Park near but his level is now at a Motherwell or St Johnstone. Joining a club at that level, Celtic might subsidise his wages to an extent to get him out the door but if he joined ed us we would have to pay the full whack. There's better value for us in a younger hungrier player from the lower leagues in England or maybe Europe.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 10:33:32 AM
Hayes sorry but no. Now heading for 33, with a bad leg break since he left and hardly any first team football plus we would instantly have to make him our highest paid player to match his Celtic wage......just don't think he represents in any way good value for money. He obviously has no future at Park near but his level is now at a Motherwell or St Johnstone. Joining a club at that level, Celtic might subsidise his wages to an extent to get him out the door but if he joined ed us we would have to pay the full whack. There's better value for us in a younger hungrier player from the lower leagues in England or maybe Europe.

I don't think Hayes would cost us the amount you assume. I think he'd be on similar or less than what he was when he left. With his professionalism and work ethic, he'd walk into a Hertz or Hibs. There might be better value in a younger player from the lower leagues in England, but only if you completely ignore the 4 other players we'd have to sign too in the lottery that is our scouting process. If you were to accept that Cosgrove was a good signing, then you'd have to also accept that he's at least a 1 in 4 punt that came good. With Hayes you get a tried and tested player who you know will perform to a certain level. If we were considering re-signing Ball for example, I'd far rather that we spent the money on Hayes. I would still be looking for us to sign actual first team players in addition when it gets to the summer of course so that Hayes is just the reliable backup alongside our developing youngsters. Obviously if it was just a loan from the Tims, then fuck that. Only a free transfer would be acceptable. I'm talking out of pragmatism too, I don't see Hayes as an exciting signing, just a solid professional who's an improvement on the likes of Ball and Gleeson.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 28, 2019, 12:31:12 PM
Can't see why anyone would not want Hayes back at Pittodrie.  He is actually only 31 and not 32 until July so still has a good few years left, fitness permitting.

With Niall McGinn often looking like a shadow of what he was, Hayes would be a good signing, McLennan needs a bit more time until he can nail down a starting place on a regular basis.

Hayes looked sharp when he came on at Pittodrie a few weeks ago and on this one I don't think the Timmothys would be too difficult to deal with because they will be glad of him off their payroll and similarly Hayes will be thankful of going somewhere that he can get on the pitch.  He's a good pro who would be great down the left side along with Lowe.  He has been sorely missed since he left and getting him back at even 90% of the player he was could really transform the team.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 28, 2019, 12:59:19 PM
Sunderland now trying to beat us to the signing of Morgan apparently
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 28, 2019, 01:19:30 PM
No to Hayes. Retrograde step. It won't work. Like Stevie May who is much younger, the effect of that serious an injury can be devastating.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
No to Hayes. Retrograde step. It won't work. Like Stevie May who is much younger, the effect of that serious an injury can be devastating.

It can be, but there are numerous examples of players who haven't been affected by similar injuries though. Considine as an example from our own ranks. To the extent that I don't think you can necessarily state that it'll have an effect. In fact, even in May it doesn't seem to effect his all round play. I see the player that St Johnstone had, but who is just not making the same runs as he was when he was scoring. I don't think he's lost any pace, any strength or any ability, just a timing of run that's poor and has been withered further through deep lack of confidence in his own ability in front of goal. I've always thought/said that his brief purple patch at St Johnstone was the result of a lot of very hard work that took him to the peak of his game. In other words, I don't think it was injury, it was just that he was never that good and - crucially - there didn't seem to be the avenues for improvements to his game that you can see in likes of McKenna or Fraser or even Wright; he was already the best he was going to be.

I haven't heard of any adverse affects from his injury on Hayes, just that the Tims have better players in his position and he was always going to struggle to break into that team.

Do you think he's better than Ball, Gleeson, McGinn? I do. We're not going to be signing 14 players in the summer, so this type of safe(ish) signing is more pragmatic than retrograde.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 28, 2019, 01:39:35 PM
Yes he's better than those others McInnes has signed but that's the point. The manager isn't trying to win the league. He signs journeymen who aren't good enough. This all goes back to aspirations and signing a footballer at that age even without following a leg break isn't planning to build a title-winning squad. He's not Henrik Larsson, possibly the best example of coming back from a leg break (although that was a very clean break).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Yes he's better than those others McInnes has signed but that's the point. The manager isn't trying to win the league. He signs journeymen who aren't good enough. This all goes back to aspirations and signing a footballer at that age even without following a leg break isn't planning to build a title-winning squad. He's not Henrik Larsson, possibly the best example of coming back from a leg break (although that was a very clean break).

Aye, okay, but you must recognise the massive gap between our current squad and a title-winning squad? Even with a few million quid to spend, we're not getting a title-winning squad next season - even if Neil Lennon came in as manager. It's about incremental increases. If we can get Hayes in as squad player challenging the first eleven then that's an incremental increase. If Shinnie and GMS leave then we need two decent midfielders, a left back, a wide player (or two), another striker and a right back to challenge Logan in the summer. If McKenna leaves, then another centre half. If Devlin dies, then another centre half. That's a fair re-build by any stretch. We're going to get signings who are not up to it, as every team does, so having a tried and tested player would surely be a sensible solution to mitigate the inevitable transfer fuck ups? Finally, I don't think Hayes is a journeyman. He's been at the top end of the league's best players in every season he's played in the SPL, who just happens to be not quite good enough for the team that he's getting paid £15-20K per week to play for (but still played more than Morgan or Allan). He's a good professional who will undoubtedly raise the performances of the younger players in our squad if they try to emulate his fitness and approach to the game. Journeyman is definitely not the correct term for Hayes.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 28, 2019, 02:30:20 PM
I didn't call Hayes a journeyman. I said the manager signs journeymen but the bigger point is what's the point? You say it's impossible to win the league. Why the fuck do we support them with our time and money then?

Incremental gains and margins? Not under this bearded midget clown and the rat chairman.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 04:02:57 PM
I didn't call Hayes a journeyman. I said the manager signs journeymen but the bigger point is what's the point? You say it's impossible to win the league. Why the fuck do we support them with our time and money then?

You didnt, my apologies. I think that's (yer second point) the existential point that surrounds Scottish fitba in an where only two teams have won the league in the last 34 years for both those clubs who have not won the league and those that have. I'm not sure why you think AFC are best placed to resolve this (assuming chairman and manager left)?

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Incremental gains and margins? Not under this bearded midget clown and the rat chairman.

Maybe not, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss what may or may not be an incremental gain for AFC within the current parameters that are outwith our control. I believe that Hayes returning would be an incremental gain to our squad on the assumption that he was here to challenge the first 11 rather than assume a guaranteed spot. You seem to be arguing from a parallel universe where we have a different manager and chairman. Basically, I think you should just provide the sack the manager/chairman bit as part of a disclaimer to all your posts but still give your opinion on the raised point within the confines of the existing AFC setup!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 28, 2019, 05:39:42 PM
You didnt, my apologies.

Accepted.

I think that's (yer second point) the existential point that surrounds Scottish fitba in an where only two teams have won the league in the last 34 years for both those clubs who have not won the league and those that have. I'm not sure why you think AFC are best placed to resolve this (assuming chairman and manager left)?

I didn't say that WE were best placed of anyone in Scotland to win the league but given the size of our club and it's dormant potential, I would very much hope that we were one of the best placed to do it. I actually think George Burley could have broken the duopoly if the mad Lithuanian crook hadn't sacked him after 12 games of the season when they were top.

Your line of rhetoric is concerning. You hold up the 34 years as if it's a ceiling? Have you given up? Don't you even strive to win? Obviously not, as you wrote in a previous post that it's not only this year that is another write-off but next year too, even if we throw "millions" at it.

So once again, I ask, what is the point? Why do you support Aberdeen and go to the majority of games? I go because I have NOT given up hope that we can win the league one day but I know that it won't be under this manager and chairman... who aren't going anywhere soon (so maybe I do need to ask myself some serious questions) but what exactly are your aspirations? Are you tugging off that we won the 2nd place trophy in recent seasons? What exactly are you looking for? Do you think winning is a fortuitous accident?

Maybe not, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss what may or may not be an incremental gain for AFC within the current parameters that are outwith our control. I believe that Hayes returning would be an incremental gain to our squad on the assumption that he was here to challenge the first 11 rather than assume a guaranteed spot. You seem to be arguing from a parallel universe where we have a different manager and chairman. Basically, I think you should just provide the sack the manager/chairman bit as part of a disclaimer to all your posts but still give your opinion on the raised point within the confines of the existing AFC setup!

Who said that we can't discuss anything? You and others think Hayes returning would be a good thing. I and others don't agree with you. He may well be a good influence and good to have around the place but winning mentality managers with a limited budget don't look to buy footballers to be squad fillers, they look to improve the team, always and IF THE GOAL IS TO WIN THE LEAGUE, we don't buy a 31 year old who recently suffered a broken leg.

Now you're holding up my conviction that McInnes and Milne are bad for AFC as an argument against me? Don't you understand that THEY ARE A BARRIER preventing us ever being the best we can be? You've written off the 2019/20 season so how many years are you prepared to tolerate McInnes? What exactly are you looking for from your time and money? A day out? So you have some material to come on here and write novellas?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 09:11:48 PM
I didn't say that WE were best placed of anyone in Scotland to win the league but given the size of our club and it's dormant potential, I would very much hope that we were one of the best placed to do it. I actually think George Burley could have broken the duopoly if the mad Lithuanian crook hadn't sacked him after 12 games of the season when they were top.

Yep, he did well and the signs were good. The mad Lithuanian sending the club into admin which, in turn, relegated them because they spent much more money than they took in despite being very well placed in the league.

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Your line of rhetoric is concerning. You hold up the 34 years as if it's a ceiling? Have you given up? Don't you even strive to win? Obviously not, as you wrote in a previous post that it's not only this year that is another write-off but next year too, even if we throw "millions" at it.

If 34 years isn't a ceiling, then I'm not sure what it is. I don't expect to see many ceilings left in a 34 year old Stewarty new-build, that's for sure. It's systemic and circular. That you ignore the 34 years of evidence and put it down to Stewart Milne and McInnes is bewildering. I think Milne has done a poor job, and his idea for a new stadium will destroy the club, but I don't believe Anderson and Donald would have won us a league either (I do believe we'd have had a few more trophies and the like of Paterson and Miller would have been nowhere near the club and Westhill would be a ridiculous joke). The post-92 (ish) gulf in finances is unmatched anywhere in Europe. To win the league would require absolutely everything to go right: every signing, every decision, every last minute goal alongside a complete melt down from the Tims. It'd be significantly bigger than Leicester winning the EPL. My point about throwing millions at it, is that I don't think a short term spree would see us over the line. That's exactly what Romanov did and it failed at the first attempt and the Lithuanian imports got cheaper and cheaper. We're a good 7-8 players - at least - behind the tims.

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So once again, I ask, what is the point? Why do you support Aberdeen and go to the majority of games? I go because I have NOT given up hope that we can win the league one day but I know that it won't be under this manager and chairman... who aren't going anywhere soon (so maybe I do need to ask myself some serious questions) but what exactly are your aspirations? Are you tugging off that we won the 2nd place trophy in recent seasons? What exactly are you looking for? Do you think winning is a fortuitous accident?

I watch Aberdeen because I've supported them since before my first memories and I enjoy watching fitba. I enjoy the ups and downs and the fact that you can watch a team develop or get shiter over time. I enjoy the moments that are great and the moments that are shite. I enjoy the fact that I can see the differences in performance from week to week because I see it with my own eyes. The formations, the tactics, the subs (or lack of, in McInnes' case), the timing of subs, the shite players and the good players. It's what fitba is about. I also tug off because we won the 2nd place trophy in recent seasons. Winning the league would absolutely be a fortituitous accident. Anyone who says otherwise is ignoring the last 34 years of evidence and the evidence throughout Europe where nobody else has achieved similar - it would take an absolutely monumental fuck-load of luck. This isn't just Aberdeen that are failing to do it, the evidence exists for every other team too, who also must be running and managing their club terribly by your standards. You fail to admit, nor acknowledge that there is not only a complete correlation between finance and league winning, but also a massive correlation between finance and being able to afford a manager who can overcome the correlation between finance and league winning. The perfect manager does exist, he just doesn't exist in a world where AFC can afford to pay him. I'm looking for AFC to do much, much more off the pitch to challenge the fact that 90% of our revenues go to one (occasionally two) club in this country and really hit the scum hard off the pitch. I'm looking for them to point out the fucking obvious again and again and again until something changes. Fitba in Scotland isn't sport, it's a bought and paid for sham. I want us to ditch the Milnes and become a club that lives and dies by its own turnover and support, not chasing the scum by trading insolvently or artificial investment from a few rich cunts. If we lose, we lose, if we win then we dinna have to credit some dick who we're beholden to because he happened to make money in some other industry once.

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Who said that we can't discuss anything? You and others think Hayes returning would be a good thing. I and others don't agree with you. He may well be a good influence and good to have around the place but winning mentality managers with a limited budget don't look to buy footballers to be squad fillers, they look to improve the team, always and IF THE GOAL IS TO WIN THE LEAGUE, we don't buy a 31 year old who recently suffered a broken leg.

I didn't mean we couldn't discuss anything, it's just that you seem to be arguing in a different universe to the one that currently exists at AFC. The goal (I assume) is to finish as high up the league as possible whilst spending an amount of money roughly in line with our turnover. The only question is whether that, within our turnover, is Hayes an investment that will help us improve on this year's league performances? You seem to be advocating that we spend money to chase, and overtake, the Tims I think? I don't know actually, because all you keep saying is that we should have a goal of winning the league with no apparent mechanism for us doing so.

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Now you're holding up my conviction that McInnes and Milne are bad for AFC as an argument against me? Don't you understand that THEY ARE A BARRIER preventing us ever being the best we can be? You've written off the 2019/20 season so how many years are you prepared to tolerate McInnes? What exactly are you looking for from your time and money? A day out? So you have some material to come on here and write novellas?

A day out, yes. Why wouldn't I? Would I prefer to be a Tim watching my financially doped squad win every week? Why should I see myself as any different to a Motherwell fan, or a Hearts or Hibs fan (given I have fuck all control over AFC)? I enjoy watching fitba, it's a good day out. I also enjoy the discussions about the games afterwards too. I don't know why you'd take issue with that. I do think that Milne is barrier for AFC, I disagree about McInnes. The difference is I know that the barrier he imposes is largely inconsequential in the scheme of things as there is a ceiling to our ability to make cash based on our support, and it would not make a dent in a single champions league game revenue for the Tim. My main complaint about him is that he makes a lot of mistakes, his vision for the club conflicts with my own and he has made no effort to change fitba in Scotland from the inside. In recent years he's done okay in his own terms and in McInnes he's got a manager who's in the top three in the country (Rogers, Clarke, McInnes), who has his obvious flaws but has a very solid points return despite those. I think he deserves to remain manager for a while longer and Milne should leave tomorrow and take his shitey plot in Westhill with him (aye, leave the training ground like).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 28, 2019, 11:17:01 PM
If 34 years isn't a ceiling, then I'm not sure what it is. That you ignore the 34 years of evidence and put it down to Stewart Milne and McInnes is bewildering. I think Milne has done a poor job, and his idea for a new stadium will destroy the club, but I don't believe Anderson and Donald would have won us a league either

Stop writing too many words and stop imputing words and ideas to me that I didn't say and don't think. I have not ignored any "evidence" and if you say that 34 years is evidence that it can't happen, I say "awa and bile yer heid".

Anderson and Donald were directors. They don't win leagues, their job was to employ people who might and they certainly wouldn't have employed the shite that Milne has done for 20 years.

This started out as you taking issue with me saying that Hayes would be a retrograde step. I gave my reasons, the principal one being that we should not be looking at squad fillers - you said yourself he's not guaranteed to be good enough to get a start - if OUR GOAL WAS TO WIN THE LEAGUE, something that I have always hoped for every single season of my life. We have now established that this is the main difference between us. You have no hopes of winning the league and you give reasons for your void of optimism...

The post-92 (ish) gulf in finances is unmatched anywhere in Europe. To win the league would require absolutely everything to go right: every signing, every decision, every last minute goal alongside a complete melt down from the Tims. It'd be significantly bigger than Leicester winning the EPL.

Financial disparity is as pronounced in the EPL as it is in Scotland, as it has become throughout Europe thanks to UEFA mismanagement and "Financial Fair Play" hypocrisy. But money is NOT everything, only a significant advantage. You know why we see cup upsets every year without fail? Leicester's EPL win was seismic and beautiful for its poke in the eye to defeatist thinking.

My point about throwing millions at it, is that I don't think a short term spree would see us over the line. That's exactly what Romanov did and it failed at the first attempt and the Lithuanian imports got cheaper and cheaper. We're a good 7-8 players - at least - behind the tims.

I agree that throwing millions at it wouldn't work, nor have I ever advocated this. We don't have the right manager to invest in. His signings over a prolonged period prove that he's fucking incapable so we are not 7-8 players short, we are ONE manager short.

I watch Aberdeen because...

too many words but ultimately saying that we have no hope of winning the league



Winning the league would absolutely be a fortituitous accident. Anyone who says otherwise is ignoring the last 34 years of evidence and the evidence throughout Europe where nobody else has achieved similar - it would take an absolutely monumental fuck-load of luck.

You forgot about Leicester pretty quick but NOBODY EVER WINS BY ACCIDENT. My point is that the club isn't even TRYING to win the league and as we've just discovered, neither are you. Winners are DIFFERENT, that's why there are so few who succeed and McInnes is a perennial loser. There's your 34 years of "evidence" again, the glass ceiling self-imposed upon your ambition, the key fundamental difference between you and I.

This isn't just Aberdeen that are failing to do it, the evidence exists for every other team too, who also must be running and managing their club terribly by your standards.

There's you imputing "standards" to me now? I've not commented on Hibs and Hearts. Scottish football is shiit and the vast majority of managers employed in the SPL/SPFL going back 30 years have been incompetent.

You fail to admit, nor acknowledge that there is not only a complete correlation between finance and league winning, but also a massive correlation between finance and being able to afford a manager who can overcome the correlation between finance and league winning. The perfect manager does exist, he just doesn't exist in a world where AFC can afford to pay him.

I have NEVER denied the correlation between money and success. You are twisting my words to fit your supposed perception about our disagreement. I also totally refute that expensive managers are the key to success. The best managers weren't expensive when they did their best work - including our own history if you're old enough to remember - and the evidence of expensive and big name managers failing in recent years, recent days if we want to include Jose at Man U is a very long list indeed.

Next your argument, or your excuse for not having any optimism is that the game's rigged...

I'm looking for AFC to do much, much more off the pitch to challenge the fact that 90% of our revenues go to one (occasionally two) club in this country and really hit the scum hard off the pitch. Fitba in Scotland isn't sport, it's a bought and paid for sham.

...once again displaying that what winning looks like is invisible to you. Always excuses.

I didn't mean we couldn't discuss anything, it's just that you seem to be arguing in a different universe to the one that currently exists at AFC.

Your further insult is noted but rather than getting petty and childish, how about seeking to understand where we differ? Perhaps you don't even know despite my using plain English...

The goal (I assume) is to finish as high up the league as possible whilst spending an amount of money roughly in line with our turnover.

.. and perhaps you don't even know what your goal is, as you need to assume it?

THIS IS THE KEY. Milne has no interest in winning the league and McInnes has no goal to do so. Forget that McInnes isn't capable, he doesn't even try to win the league. As I said, the very few winners that there are ARE DIFFERENT. Understanding what separates the best from the rest is a good foundation for this particular key fundamental difference between us.

The only question is whether that, within our turnover, is Hayes an investment that will help us improve on this year's league performances? You seem to be advocating that we spend money to chase, and overtake, the Tims I think? I don't know actually, because all you keep saying is that we should have a goal of winning the league with no apparent mechanism for us doing so.

Not once have I said this. You are putting words into my mouth. You want a "mechanism"? There are no mechanisms or formulas for success, in anything. There are only truths, consistencies and non-negotiable fundamentals but every winner does it his or her own way. There are no parallel models to follow but here's the way that you might win the league, employ somebody who WANTS to win it and who BELIEVES that it is possible.

You then finish with a rant against Milne and a view of support for the manager...


I disagree about McInnes.

I think he deserves to remain manager for a while longer

THAT is where we disagree. McInnes will NEVER win the SPFL at AFC and as it's not your goal too, fine.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 29, 2019, 12:36:46 AM
To save on the quoting, I do understand what you're saying, I just think it's massively flawed. Your opinion on McInnes aside, you're suggesting that we just need one manager that's a winner in order to win the league (one manager short); obviously with the associated luck etc. That suggests that in 34 years of Scottish fitba, there hasn't been one single manager at any club that is a winner? And Europe, where no league win - and I did include, and mention, Leicester in that - has come close to the disparity in wages from the Tims/Huns to their nearest competitor. Not one example. To avoid Leicester being argued about, let's say that there's one example, and it was Ranieri at Leicester. I'm pretty certain if I'd asked you about Chelsea's Ranieri "the tinkerman" back in 2002 you would have stated that he wasn't a winner (as would just about everyone). Anyway, that aside, that's one example of a significant gulf in wages being overturned this century. That suggests, to me, that a winner does cost money. Or certainly one that actually wins stuff and not just a person deemed to have a "winners mentality" like Lennon or Clarke (I like Clarke, but he wouldn't win the league with Aberdeen, so we're looking for someone better than him).

That said, I do believe that our goal is to win the league every year, or at least the dream is. The notion that belief and winner's mentality alone can do it is just ridiculous though. The notion that anyone doesn't believe/dream that they can win the league is also wierd, I'm pretty certain McInnes and even Milne, have dreamt about holding the trophy at the end of the season and probably every season. It would be pretty stupid to expect it or budget or spend for it though.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 29, 2019, 12:51:16 AM
If you did understand what I'm saying, you wouldn't use confrontational language and throw in (mildly) insulting rhetoric. If you were capable of understanding my points, you wouldn't say that my posts are "massively flawed", which suggests you know more than me, you know best and anything I say is just plain wrong.

If you are capable of swallowing your pride, of communicating with greater efficiency and of agreeing to disagree, then I would ask you what specifically I've said is so flawed? And please use the quote function to show me my bad words.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Stewart on January 29, 2019, 08:49:37 AM
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Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 29, 2019, 09:08:53 AM
If you did understand what I'm saying, you wouldn't use confrontational language and throw in (mildly) insulting rhetoric. If you were capable of understanding my points, you wouldn't say that my posts are "massively flawed", which suggests you know more than me, you know best and anything I say is just plain wrong.

If you are capable of swallowing your pride, of communicating with greater efficiency and of agreeing to disagree, then I would ask you what specifically I've said is so flawed? And please use the quote function to show me my bad words.

There was nothing intentionally confrontational about what I wrote, nor intentionally insulting. I am more than happy to agree on disagreeing, I was merely hoping that you'd put a bit more flesh on the bones of your argument, which is a constant (argument) in all your posts by providing examples of managers that aren't losers, or evidence that backs up your claim that our goal is not to win the league, or any evidence that having a goal of winning the league makes any difference whatsoever to realising that goal over and above just having a goal of finishing as high up the league as possible and signing the best players we can within our budget (which I don't think we are even close to doing, I'm just unsure how much blame to attribute to the manager for that). When I said that you are arguing from another universe, I meant that it seemed you were arguing - about Hayes in this case - from a point at which we've ditched Milne and McInnes and are talking about a different team entirely with a different budget. I'm happy to admit that was incorrect, you're point was that his injury would be a detriment to his performances making him a retrograde step.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 29, 2019, 10:06:37 AM
I'm happy to spell out what I was saying, although I thought I already did.

What's quite frustrating is being misinterpreted when I'm using language as best I can.

What's very frustrating is being misquoted, which you continue to do. This means I have to waste time correcting you when you say I said something I didn't, something you've just done again, on more than one point.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 29, 2019, 11:04:35 AM
I'm happy to spell out what I was saying, although I thought I already did.

What's quite frustrating is being misinterpreted when I'm using language as best I can.

What's very frustrating is being misquoted, which you continue to do. This means I have to waste time correcting you when you say I said something I didn't, something you've just done again, on more than one point.

It's not really wasting time if you're explaining something to me that I haven't understood or simply misinterpreted.

For example:

This(1):
Quote from: rocket_scientist
No to Hayes. Retrograde step. It won't work. Like Stevie May who is much younger, the effect of that serious an injury can be devastating.

does not equal this(2):
Quote from: RicoS321
you're point was that his injury would be a detriment to his performances making him a retrograde step.

and these(3):
Quote from: rocket_scientist
if OUR GOAL WAS TO WIN THE LEAGUE
Quote from: rocket_scientist
....McInnes is a perennial loser

do not equal this(4):
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which is a constant (argument) in all your posts by providing examples of managers that aren't losers, or evidence that backs up your claim that our goal is not to win the league


Is what I infer from this:
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What's very frustrating is being misquoted, which you continue to do.

As the above points were the only parts in my last reply that I took from your quotes (everything else was an explanation of my misunderstanding).

For what it's worth, I don't think your point (1) above is that clear, to the extent that my interpretation (2) is ridiculous. You seem to be conflating the injury and the fact that it is a retrograde step. I'm happy to accept that you're saying that it's a retrograde step, and also that the effect of that serious an injury can be devastating. I don't think that point was very clear.

In points (3) versus (4) I'm think that I have probably focused in on your repeated statements rather than your point as a whole, but I still think you could have been clearer.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 29, 2019, 11:15:43 AM
When I have time, I'll respond.

Don't see it as a debating competition. You don't understand my points of view. That's fine. It's the responsibility of the communicator to ensure that the communicatee understands so it's my fault, not yours. I wrongly assumed that certain truths are so widely known that they didn't need spelled out. Assuming is always a mistake, just like you assuming what the goal should be, before changing your mind, feeling a bit silly about it and then reverting to your original rhetoric and making an arse of it.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 29, 2019, 11:49:15 AM
When I have time, I'll respond.

Don't see it as a debating competition. You don't understand my points of view. That's fine. It's the responsibility of the communicator to ensure that the communicatee understands so it's my fault, not yours. I wrongly assumed that certain truths are so widely known that they didn't need spelled out. Assuming is always a mistake, just like you assuming what the goal should be, before changing your mind, feeling a bit silly about it and then reverting to your original rhetoric and making an arse of it.

Excellent. While you're at it, could you provide quotes to backup the bit in bold as I think you've misunderstood what I have said.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 29, 2019, 12:01:21 PM
Excellent. While you're at it, could you provide quotes to backup the bit in bold as I think you've misunderstood what I have said.

You're still treating it as a competition between us. You've agreed to disagree, you are communicating more effectively (by not drowning your points and arguments in thousands of words) but you've not swallowed your pride.

I will probably respond later but I'd rather just fuck off to be honest. Here's the quotes you asked for: -

The goal (I assume) is to finish as high up the league as possible whilst spending an amount of money roughly in line with our turnover.

I do believe that our goal is to win the league every year, or at least the dream is.

...or evidence that backs up your claim that our goal is not to win the league, or any evidence that having a goal of winning the league makes any difference whatsoever to realising that goal over and above just having a goal of finishing as high up the league as possible and signing the best players we can within our budget...

Dreams and goals can be related but they are very distinct. I assumed (wrongly, making an "ass" out of "u" and "me") that that one was well known.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 29, 2019, 12:11:52 PM
It works two ways doesn't it?

I would ask you what specifically I've said is so flawed? And please use the quote function to show me my bad words.

You wanted quotes and I gave you them. I asked for my quotes that you interpreted as "massively flawed"?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 29, 2019, 01:19:37 PM
I will probably respond later but I'd rather just fuck off to be honest. Here's the quotes you asked for: -

Dreams and goals can be related but they are very distinct. I assumed (wrongly, making an "ass" out of "u" and "me") that that one was well known.


Thanks. The quotes you supplied show zero evidence of me changing my mind, the three being entirely compatible with one another. You've misinterpreted them.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 29, 2019, 01:48:53 PM
It works two ways doesn't it?

You wanted quotes and I gave you them. I asked for my quotes that you interpreted as "massively flawed"?

No worries. Again, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong here, "massively flawed" is just my opinion and apologies if it was overstated. But specifically, I was referring to this:

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we are not 7-8 players short, we are ONE manager short.

It's flawed, in my opinion, because by saying that we are one manager short you aren't simply ruling out AFC. You are ruling out all other managers that have worked in Scotland since the early nineties who also haven't been good enough to overcome the huge financial disparity for their clubs. That ONE manager hasn't been found by anyone. Unless you're suggesting that AFC are in some way uniquely placed, which I don't think that you are. You then correct me (correctly) by saying:

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I also totally refute that expensive managers are the key to success. The best managers weren't expensive when they did their best work - including our own history if you're old enough to remember - and the evidence of expensive and big name managers failing in recent years, recent days if we want to include Jose at Man U is a very long list indeed

A point I'm happy to concede because you're clearly right. However, it does the reduce the pool somewhat for SPL chairmen/directors if they have to find the ONE manager before they have their first success and they become too expensive.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Chris Frae Killie on January 29, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
YAWN! ::) can we get back on topic please gents.
Anyone got any news/rumours? What happened with the Shaughnessy offer? Is he still considering his options? I reckon he's a replacement for Reynolds.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: OxfordDon on January 29, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
Scott Burns
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@CelticFC's Lewis Morgan looks set to disappoint @AberdeenFC by joining @SunderlandAFC on-loan.  @ScotExpress.

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@officialdafc make approach to @AberdeenFC to try and loan Bruce Anderson and Scott Wright.  @ScotExpress
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@AberdeenFC now keen to see if they can get Jonny Hayes back on-loan from @CelticFC.  @ScotExpress

Back on topic...

Scotsman seem convinced we were both in for Morgan and that he's going to Sunderland instead, no direct quotes though:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/scottish-cup/aberdeen-set-to-lose-out-to-sunderland-in-bid-for-lewis-morgan-1-4863894

They also seem to think we have proposed a 3 year deal for Greg Stewart, based on how he performs for the rest of the season.

Scotsman, pinch of salt etc, but both interesting and January window related  ;)
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 29, 2019, 05:59:02 PM
Would be happy with the Greg Stewart deal, providing we play him correctly...

Seems awfully quiet on the transfer front.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 29, 2019, 06:27:28 PM
Sadly I fear that having missed out on Morgan, we are about to take Hayes in on loan till the summer. Really think this is a retrograde step but if GMS is offski prior to the Yank window closing then I'm prepared to suck it up as it allows us a bit of time to source the long term GMS replacement.....as long as Hayes himself doesn't become the long term replacement.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 29, 2019, 07:25:45 PM
I'm surprised by the reaction towards the potential return of Hayes. He was our best player a year and a half ago. McGinn has deteriorated, GMS is inconsistent, Wright is the new Pawlett, and the young guys still need time. Hayes will be our best wide player even if he's not fully the player he used to be. Looked ok when we played Celtic recently, I'd rather take him than some diddy from Division 3.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 29, 2019, 08:37:10 PM
I'm surprised by the reaction towards the potential return of Hayes. He was our best player a year and a half ago. McGinn has deteriorated, GMS is inconsistent, Wright is the new Pawlett, and the young guys still need time. Hayes will be our best wide player even if he's not fully the player he used to be. Looked ok when we played Celtic recently, I'd rather take him than some diddy from Division 3.

Our top scorer was some diddy from EFL2 (or division 4 as you would call it).....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 29, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
The thing with Hayes, even if he was half as good as he was previously at us, he'd probably be out best winger! The guy was easily a 8 out of 10 performer most weeks, guaranteed assists, chipped in with plenty of goals & defended brilliantly.

He hasn't played an awful lot of Football since he left us though, he's ageing now and has probably lost a bit of his biggest asset, which was his pace, he'd be ineligible to play against Celtic and we'd be back to square one when the loan expired.

If I weigh everything up, I'd be against it, and I fucking loved him, genuinely, he was amazing in his spell here and I actually thought he'd retire here.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: scotfree on January 29, 2019, 11:09:14 PM
Our top scorer was some diddy from EFL2 (or division 4 as you would call it).....
One swallow does not a summer make...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Dunty on January 30, 2019, 03:11:32 AM
YAWN! ::) can we get back on topic please gents.
Anyone got any news/rumours? What happened with the Shaughnessy offer? Is he still considering his options? I reckon he's a replacement for Reynolds.

If they want to debate, let them. It's what the forum is about. You don't have to read the posts.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 30, 2019, 07:38:04 AM
The thing with Hayes, even if he was half as good as he was previously at us, he'd probably be out best winger!

Great post and totally agree on every point. On your first point, isn't it tragic that our squad is so weak and/or imbalanced (due to shite management) that a reduced Hayes probably would be our best provider?

The chances of him being as good as he was are negligible given his age now, his rustiness from not playing regularly and the fact that he suffered a serious injury.

And as you say, fuck loan deals.

I'm surprised you're surprised LA. Then again, I shouldn't be as I've been wrongly assuming that most AFC fans are like me and want us to win the league, something that others think is impossible due to financial disparity and the game being rigged.

One aspect of winning in a team environment is culture, arguably the most influential aspect despite it not being discussed and acknowledged enough in these types of debates. A winning culture is engineered by a strong man with an exceptional mental outlook and high levels of self discipline and work ethic which inspires all around him. That exceptional man is not McInnes.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 30, 2019, 08:16:31 AM
McInnes saying he want to add one more player before the close of the transfer window.

Also said it is unlikely to be Jonny Hayes which means it will probably be Jonny Hayes  :greengrin:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 30, 2019, 06:14:50 PM
BBC suggesting stoke have bid £5m for McKenna.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 30, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
As ED said to me elsewhere, not sure why we'd accept less than what Villa offered last time around.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 30, 2019, 07:45:33 PM
As ED said to me elsewhere, not sure why we'd accept less than what Villa offered last time around.

Is there any evidence at all that they did actually offer the reported amounts? They seemed exceptionally high bids and not really the sort of bids that the dons would turn down. The BBC reported that the Tims bid around £3.5M, which would seem about right, they didn't report on the Villa amount other than to say it was more. I just don't see any club thinking that they would need to bid more then £4-5M for an AFC player. It's 3-4 times our second place prize money.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 30, 2019, 07:48:29 PM
It now appears as if the bid was made around a fortnight ago and supposedly rejected immediately. Stoke haven't returned but have signed another central defender in the interim period.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on January 30, 2019, 07:57:02 PM
Seen this on Twitter with a few huns (as per) commenting shit on his value.
Never really got why? jealousy? Then it occurred to me £5 million is more than their stadium, training facilities and playing squad were worth in 2012.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 30, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
Seen this on Twitter with a few huns (as per) commenting shit on his value.
Never really got why? jealousy? Then it occurred to me £5 million is more than their stadium, training facilities and playing squad were worth in 2012.

+1
Title: Re: January window
Post by: LA-Don on January 31, 2019, 05:43:56 AM
Great post and totally agree on every point. On your first point, isn't it tragic that our squad is so weak and/or imbalanced (due to shite management) that a reduced Hayes probably would be our best provider?

The chances of him being as good as he was are negligible given his age now, his rustiness from not playing regularly and the fact that he suffered a serious injury.

And as you say, fuck loan deals.

I'm surprised you're surprised LA. Then again, I shouldn't be as I've been wrongly assuming that most AFC fans are like me and want us to win the league, something that others think is impossible due to financial disparity and the game being rigged.

One aspect of winning in a team environment is culture, arguably the most influential aspect despite it not being discussed and acknowledged enough in these types of debates. A winning culture is engineered by a strong man with an exceptional mental outlook and high levels of self discipline and work ethic which inspires all around him. That exceptional man is not McInnes.

I’m just surprised little or nobody speaks positively of Hayes potentially returning. I did say earlier he’d be our best wide player and that’s a sad admission but true and an upgrade which is a good thing. Our January dealings have been very underwhelming. As much as Lowe is a good player we all want a big more glamorous signings rather than three potential players returning to the club. Highlights the weaknesses in our scouting and transfers but I’m not surprised.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: hebrew on January 31, 2019, 07:46:07 AM
We haven't actually signed anyone have we??
I was thinking that this morning!!
Is Wilson still here? And Gleeson?
Are we supposed to treat Lowe & Hoban & Reynolds being back from injury as January activity  ;)
Oh we got Stewart ha  ;D
Title: Re: January window
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 31, 2019, 08:33:35 AM
We haven't actually signed anyone have we??
I was thinking that this morning!!
Is Wilson still here? And Gleeson?
Are we supposed to treat Lowe & Hoban & Reynolds being back from injury as January activity  ;)
Oh we got Stewart ha  ;D

It's maybe a controversial thing to say but if you were in charge of the purse strings, why would you be splashing the cash this January?  We've not lost anyone important, GMS and Hoban are just back from injury and Cosgrove has started banging them in for fun.  We are 8 points behind Celtic with 15 games to go so realistically could spent £50M today and probably not win the league.  We've reached one cup final, are still in the Scottish Cup and are right in the mix to finish best of the rest.  Yes, it would be great to stick it to the boys in blue and finish above them again but does it make a massive difference whether we end up 2nd, 3rd or 4th?  From a business perspective it is pointless spending money at this time of year the way we stand at the moment.  Better to see who stays and who goes at the end of the season and spend the money replacing the ones we really need to replace instead of just signing players for the sake of it.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: hebrew on January 31, 2019, 09:18:00 AM
I don't disagree with any of the above I was more thinking about the midfield and how Forrester & Tansey have gone and Gleeson not playing up to the standard expected
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 31, 2019, 09:51:22 AM
We still have plenty midfield cover in the central and defensive areas. Attacking midfield could do with strengthening, honestly thought we would get Cadden onboard but seems his ambitions lie down south at a Doncaster or similar type EFL club. It's a ridiculous state of affairs that shit like that can easily offer contracts close to double what any club in Scotland's top league can bar the 2 arse cheeks.

Anyway still hopeful we will get a surprise addition this evening. Although probably any happiness I get out of it will instantly turn to nausea as Jim White spunks his Y-fronts at a late addition to the sevco numbers.....
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 31, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
Somebody like Cadden would be an excellent signing, would improve the first 11. I think that we'll struggle to get a player like that in this window though, with a lot of competition and cost. A Cosgrove/Devlin type signing with a view to next season and a couple of pre-contracts would really help with the summer shopping list. If we could get Cadden on a pre-contract, we'd be doing well. There's only 15 games left, so I don't think we need another squad player. If we could get a loanee wide player or striker that would go into the first team, I think we'd stand a better chance of finishing second. That would have a huge negative effect on the huns again, and really set them up for a struggle next season, so I think it's definitely worth pursuing with another strong addition.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 31, 2019, 02:22:22 PM
According to Scott Burns, GMS, James Wilson, Bruce Anderson & Scott Wright could all be away in this window.

All of that and only one incoming, Brandon Barker.

I thought Scott was usually on the ball with this type of stuff, but there is absolutely no way McInnes would let 4 players leave and only bring in one, therefore, I call bullshit. That's not to say there haven't been enquiries etc...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 31, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
I'm assuming that GMS going would be out of our hands. Anderson going out on loan would possibly be good for him, Wilson going would make zero difference to anything, other than an opportunity in the budget to bring in likes of Barker and that leaves Wright who I'd be surprised if we let go (on loan I assume) at the moment, given we didn't let him go out last January when it would have benefited both parties most. Although he does need some serious game time, so I wouldn't be averse to it. It'd basically be Barker in for GMS, which would be fine as I remember him being fairly decent at the hibees.

We have too many players on too few minutes on our bench at the minute, so a pairing back might do us some good.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 31, 2019, 02:51:22 PM
wright looked lively v stenny surely with gms going we need back up
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 31, 2019, 03:10:23 PM
wright looked lively v stenny surely with gms going we need back up

I agree, but Wright does seems to be perenially on the brink of being good but never manages to kick on. He's like Pawlett. I'd hate to see him spend another 6 months on our bench with the occasional cameo. Barker would be a direct replacement for GMS obviously. McLennan would provide cover, with Stewart, May and McGinn rotating between the wings and the behind the striker role as current.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 31, 2019, 04:20:05 PM
Barker iirc was lightning quick when he was at Hivs. Would be an acceptable replacement for GMS.

Getting Wilson out the door would be a bonus, was convinced there was no break clause in the year's loan agreement. Anderson on loan makes sense too however Wright......he seems too lightweight in our league, dropping down to a loan at a Championship club I have a horrible feeling will be disastrous for his career. Yes he needs a regular game but if anything the Championship is even more physical...the defenders there are brutes with little finesse but plenty brawn and not afraid to use it. My own thoughts are that Wright sadly won't make it in the professional game as a long term career. I predict 5 years from now he will be playing Highland League or juniors.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 31, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Peter O'Rourke now on Twitter saying Stoke have had a bid of 7 Million accepted for McKenna! He is also usually on the ball with rumours/speculation. This could be a very interesting few hours. 
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Elgindon on January 31, 2019, 05:43:40 PM
 There was word that Aston Villa were also in with £8m for McKenna,but that seems to have cooled off the last hour https://twitter.com/focusavfc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1090989053674168321&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afc-chat.co.uk%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D41630%26page%3D53
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 31, 2019, 05:46:41 PM
Anderson confirmed as away to Dunfermline until season end
Good luck Bruce  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 31, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
Barker iirc was lightning quick when he was at Hivs. Would be an acceptable replacement for GMS.

I was hugely impressed with him when he was at Hibs. He went quiet though so no idea what happened to him in the last 12 months or so.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 31, 2019, 06:10:11 PM
Anderson confirmed as away to Dunfermline until season end
Good luck Bruce  :thumbsup:

Good place for him, hope he smashes it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: tlg1903 on January 31, 2019, 06:34:40 PM
Mcall just said on sportsound that Wright is going to Dundee, app DM called him as IM was wanting him
Title: Re: January window
Post by: bearsdenred on January 31, 2019, 06:52:52 PM
Mcall just said on sportsound that Wright is going to Dundee, app DM called him as IM was wanting him
be a good move for all concerned Wright getting game time still in the top flight and also to help Dundee. (Grandpas old team).
Title: Re: January window
Post by: BigAl on January 31, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
Anyone able to confirm if the lights are still on at Pittodrie ?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: A llad insane on January 31, 2019, 07:56:36 PM
Heard about this Barker rumour first thing this morning, got to say i dont really remember him at Easter Rd.  Also heard Wilson was going back, & Wright & Anderson were going out on loan, and i wouldnt be surprised if big Scott goes. Got a feeling , could be a very busy night tonight at Pittodrie :dunno:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 31, 2019, 08:01:07 PM
Mcall just said on sportsound that Wright is going to Dundee, app DM called him as IM was wanting him

Only thing Jobby McCall would teach him is how to take a shite in your star player's shoe. So Shankland will be a mighty relieved guy tonight that Wright is off to the Jute huns
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 31, 2019, 08:12:09 PM
Reynolds off to the Jute on loan apparently. Some colony of ex reds they’re assembling.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on January 31, 2019, 08:59:46 PM
Quite happy with the way things are going actually. We're offloading a lot of the wider squad leaving just the bare minimum. With the winter break, I think there's maybe an opportunity to have a smaller squad anyway. We seemed to be very heavy on players, with a lot of guff in there. Could you imagine Reyonlds and Hoban hadn't been injured? That bench would have buckled under the weight of senior players. Wilson out and another in would be about right I'd say.

Edit to add: just shows how shocking a decision it was not to put Wright out on loan last January. Arguably lost a year of his career for 20 minutes of game time last season. He could have got a good 6 months at a similar level to Dundee (Partick?) before the start of this season. It should have been obvious.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 31, 2019, 09:40:40 PM
Quite happy with the way things are going actually. We're offloading a lot of the wider squad leaving just the bare minimum. With the winter break, I think there's maybe an opportunity to have a smaller squad anyway. We seemed to be very heavy on players, with a lot of guff in there. Could you imagine Reyonlds and Hoban hadn't been injured? That bench would have buckled under the weight of senior players. Wilson out and another in would be about right I'd say.

Edit to add: just shows how shocking a decision it was not to put Wright out on loan last January. Arguably lost a year of his career for 20 minutes of game time last season. He could have got a good 6 months at a similar level to Dundee (Partick?) before the start of this season. It should have been obvious.

The same person that told me Watt was signing for St Johnstone said at the same time Wright was going to St Mirren I think it was, on loan, not sure what happened, of course, he also said we were signing Nathan Delfouneso and that's turned out to be shite.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on January 31, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
So turns out the McKenna to Stoke for 7 million was bullshit, and Tyrone Smith has just tweeted this, perhaps explaining the decision to allow Wright to go out on loan, given we still have GMS, McGinn & McLennan.

As well as defender Scott McKenna staying put in the face of interest from Stoke City, Gary Mackay-Steven is also set to remain at Aberdeen beyond the closure of the window. The winger was a target for New York City.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: DantheDon on January 31, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
I see a heap of American players are signing for the old firm. Surely if that's the market we want to break into we should be trying to sign a few yanks.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on January 31, 2019, 10:15:50 PM
Looks like the Barker rumour was a pile of poop too
Title: Re: January window
Post by: wee toon red on January 31, 2019, 10:47:40 PM
BBC saying we’re done for the night, no-one coming in.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on January 31, 2019, 11:19:53 PM
That's Reynolds officially at the Jutes for the remainder

Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on January 31, 2019, 11:22:10 PM
So turns out the McKenna to Stoke for 7 million was bullshit, and Tyrone Smith has just tweeted this, perhaps explaining the decision to allow Wright to go out on loan, given we still have GMS, McGinn & McLennan.

As well as defender Scott McKenna staying put in the face of interest from Stoke City, Gary Mackay-Steven is also set to remain at Aberdeen beyond the closure of the window. The winger was a target for New York City.

GMS can still join MLS until start of May when their window shuts.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: scotfree on January 31, 2019, 11:42:22 PM
Title: Re: January window
Post by: scotfree on January 31, 2019, 11:43:11 PM
Do we have any fucking players left??? :eek:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on February 01, 2019, 12:15:04 AM
Do we have any fucking players left??? :eek:

15 players, I believe.  Hope we don't get any injuries... :hammer:
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on February 01, 2019, 12:18:47 AM
15 players, I believe.  Hope we don't get any injuries... :hammer:

Or suspensions.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: scotfree on February 01, 2019, 12:24:36 AM
Winter transfers 2018/2019

Aberdeen:- 2 in - 7 out.

Celtic:- 7 in - 9 out.

Dundee:- 11 in - 9 out.

Hamilton:- 5 in - 4 out.

Hearts:- 4 in - 3 out.

Hibs:- 7 in - 5 out.

Kilmarnock:- 4 in - 5 out.

Livi:- 6 in - 7 out.

Motherwell:- 2 in - 9 out.  :eek:

Huns:- 5 in - 7 out.

St Johnstone:- 5 in - 3 out.

St Mirren:- 11 in - 9 out.

I think I got most of that right. A truly fucked transfer window for us.

Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on February 01, 2019, 12:26:17 AM
5 out 1 in? Ruthless!

Leaves about 21 still, which shows we were heavy on numbers.

Lewis
Cerny

Lowe
McKenna
Considine
Devlin
Hoban
Logan

Ball
Shinnie
Ferguson
Gleeson
Campbell

McGinn
GMS
McLennan
Ross

Stewart
May
Cosgrove
Wilson
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on February 01, 2019, 12:29:26 AM
Aberdeen:- 2 in - 7 out.

Are you counting Lowe as in and out?

Forrester
Tansey
Wright
Reynolds
Anderson

Stewart

Who have I missed? Wilson hasn't returned has he?

Edit: Jordan McGregor. He doesn't count.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: scotfree on February 01, 2019, 12:54:11 AM
Lowe as in.

Nicky Maynard left in Sept, but I think that should still be classed as this window.
Or maybe not. As I said, I hoped I got the list right...
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on February 01, 2019, 02:53:37 AM
What that does show is an incredible lack of creativity still. Injury to either McGinn or GMS and we're fucked.  I get what you mean about getting rid of squad fillers Rico, but it just feels too lightweight in proven quality, all across the board except GK.  Highly reliant on good fitness and minimal suspensions between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Jute on February 01, 2019, 07:18:02 AM
What that does show is an incredible lack of creativity still. Injury to either McGinn or GMS and we're fucked.  I get what you mean about getting rid of squad fillers Rico, but it just feels too lightweight in proven quality, all across the board except GK.  Highly reliant on good fitness and minimal suspensions between now and the end of the season.

Have to agree Manc. Any injuries or suspensions will leave us reliant on youngsters who have little first team experience. Window has again reinforced that club has no ambition beyond 3rd.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: baggy89 on February 01, 2019, 07:43:41 AM
IF we do get a Euro place we’re pretty fucked for the qualifiers.


Lewis

McKenna
Devlin
Logan

Ferguson
Gleeson
Campbell

McGinn
McLennan
Ross
Wright

May
Cosgrove
Anderson
Title: Re: January window
Post by: RicoS321 on February 01, 2019, 08:43:38 AM
What that does show is an incredible lack of creativity still. Injury to either McGinn or GMS and we're fucked.  I get what you mean about getting rid of squad fillers Rico, but it just feels too lightweight in proven quality, all across the board except GK.  Highly reliant on good fitness and minimal suspensions between now and the end of the season.

None of those that left had proven quality though. It's a risk, but I'm actually quite glad to see the manager take one for once. I have no doubt his intention was to get another player in, but we've obviously failed. He'd probably made a decision that the players out the door weren't going to be good enough for the run in, and that shouldn't change just because we've not managed to get a replacement - they still wouldn't be good enough. For Wright and Anderson, we're sacrificing squad depth so that they can become better players by getting game time and I think that's the correct decision (should have happened sooner in Wright's case). Obviously, we'll get McGinn and GMS injured at the weekend and we'll be fucked, but that's life!
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on February 01, 2019, 09:34:13 AM
IF we do get a Euro place we’re pretty fucked for the qualifiers.


Lewis

McKenna
Devlin
Logan

Ferguson
Gleeson
Campbell

McGinn
McLennan
Ross
Wright

May
Cosgrove
Anderson

We will definitely sign at least a couple of pre-contracts to cover any of ours that leave in the summer so isn't quite as desperate numbers wise as you portray. Quality wise who knows though?
Title: Re: January window
Post by: CtS on February 01, 2019, 01:13:27 PM
I’m really disappointed with our strategy during the window, our squad has become weaker at a time when the 3 teams above us have clearly strengthened. I understand the benefit (hopefully) of Anderson and Wright going on loan, but looking at the bigger picture from January it just looks like a massive cost cutting exercise. A quality signing of some sort would have given the fans a lift and our opponents a reminder we mean business, and the dna supporters would have got some reward for their investment.

Assuming McKenna and Devlin are both fully fit again now, otherwise I don’t see how we can cope with the limited options we have.  ???
Title: Re: January window
Post by: Ten Caat on February 01, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
Don't think we will see either of Devlin or McKenna until mid February at the earliest. Devlin especially is a puzzler....club keep saying he's 10-14 days away from returning and this keeps getting extended. Facing Hivs and sevco with Consi and Hoban (if he stays fit!) Is hardly ideal but it is what it is so we just have to get on with it.

Punting Forrester, Tansey and loaning out Reynolds should save the club around £8k per week in wages so makes sense as none of them would have featured except in the forest of emergencies. Wright and Anderson will get regular game time at decent levels. With Ball and Gleeson ahead of him in the pecking order, I've liked to seen Campbell also head out to a Championship club to get a regular game as I think of the 3 mentioned, he has the biggest future ahead of him....could even be a regular pick for us by this time next year.

Disappointed the Barker rumour came to nothing. GMS has been underwhelming at best since retiring from injury and you have to wonder how big his committment will be going forward given that he will be offski in summer.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: manc_don on February 01, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
None of those that left had proven quality though. It's a risk, but I'm actually quite glad to see the manager take one for once. I have no doubt his intention was to get another player in, but we've obviously failed. He'd probably made a decision that the players out the door weren't going to be good enough for the run in, and that shouldn't change just because we've not managed to get a replacement - they still wouldn't be good enough. For Wright and Anderson, we're sacrificing squad depth so that they can become better players by getting game time and I think that's the correct decision (should have happened sooner in Wright's case). Obviously, we'll get McGinn and GMS injured at the weekend and we'll be fucked, but that's life!

I don't disagree about not really losing any quality. But this was an opportunity to actually improve squad depth, don't think I really articulated that. Everyone knows we're lacking creative quality in the middle of the park and that's where my biggest concern is. As well as the wings now Wright, despite never being consistent, at least offered an option.

It's a bit deflating tbh.
Title: Re: January window
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on February 03, 2019, 09:18:39 AM
both wright and anderson scored yesterday..strange world